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George Marian

5:29 AM

Speaking of annoying, I hate how quickly my glasses get "dirty." It's like they're dust magnets.

Yi Jiang

Okay, it's acting even weirder with Opera. Gosh...

George Marian

Wait, what's it doing?

Tim Stone

@YiJiang Seems alright in Opera, what's wrong with it there?

George Marian

Ok, that's odd. Some of the sections cause the items under "Intro" to be hidden. So the sidebar moves while scrolling through the content.

Tim Stone

o_O

George Marian

5:33 AM

BTW, I'm not seeing this flashing in FF4.

Yi Jiang

@TimStone To me, when scrolling sometimes menu will suddenly expand and contract instantaneously , even though you're only scrolling inside a section, and not between articles

@GeorgeMarian The flashing is on Chrome, not Firefox

George Marian

@TimStone Yah, if I scroll through some the entire page, "Overview" "The Authors" "Contributors" and "License" get hidden, but only in some sections.

@YiJiang OIC

Yi Jiang

@GeorgeMarian Yes, that's intended I believe, if your screen can't accommodate the whole menu it will contract and expand sections as you scroll

Tim Stone

Ahhh

That explains why I wasn't seeing that, hahah

My screen is too large apparently :P

Yi Jiang

@TimStone Show off :|

Anyway, we needed a way for this to work for small screen users

Tim Stone

5:36 AM

No, it's nice, I was just confused before.

Yi Jiang

Originally only the section you're in will expand, I found that too inefficient use of screen space, so I tried this instead

Now... to squash bugs...

George Marian

@YiJiang Yah, but it's not consistent. My screen can accommodated the whole menu.

Yi Jiang

@GeorgeMarian I know, there are some bugs in the height calculation code.

George Marian

As I scroll from "Functions - Scopes and Namespaces" into "Arrays" the menu shrinks.

Then, when I go from "Arrays" into "Types" it expands again. Then shrinks as I scroll into "Core."

Yi Jiang

@GeorgeMarian Yeah, that happened to me to, though for some other parts. I'm very sure that shouldn't happen, but hrump...

Oh wait, did you resize your window?

Hmm, no, that shouldn't be the cause either

George Marian

5:40 AM

Well, it seems like this is being done as you scroll and there's something slightly different between those sections.

Nope, haven't resized. It happens to be a maximized window.

Yi Jiang

I think some section's heights are being counted twice

George Marian

Hmm...it happens if I click to the "problem" sections as well.

So, if I go from the top of the page, and click on an item in "Core" or "Arrays" the menu shrinks by hiding the items under "Intro."

If you'd like, I can provide screenshots.

Moshe

@GeorgeMarian me too

George Marian

@Moshe Do you have polycarbonate lenses?

Moshe

@GeorgeMarian Dunno. They're high index.

George Marian

5:52 AM

@Moshe Hmm...they may be glass then, depends on how blind you are. ;)

Moshe

@GeorgeMarian hehe

George Marian

To make it more annoying, my glasses are for a slight astigmatism. Otherwise, my vision is 20/20.

On the plus side, they do look quite good on me. :)

Moshe

@GeorgeMarian - Have you seen my half finished userscript/userstyle?

George Marian

hates on markdown

Generally, it's quite nice. But when it's bad, it's pretty bad. Or it could be the implementation.

@Moshe Nope, haven't felt brave enough to look at it yet. :)

Moshe

@GeorgeMarian github.com/MosheBerman/MinimalOverflow

@GeorgeMarian It's not so bad, and it includes a toggler, if you don't like it. (The toggler is still a bit broken though - no persistence between pages, if you click a link it reapplies the userstyle.)

George Marian

5:58 AM

heh "Extensions, apps and themes can harm your computer." Not necessarily the best wording for a disclaimer.

Moshe

@GeorgeMarian Nope.

@GeorgeMarian - So, did it harm your computer?

George Marian

heh

I haven't installed it yet. :P

In what folder does chrome place user scripts?

Moshe

@GeorgeMarian No idea, I'm on Mac, btw.

@GeorgeMarian There is a website you can ask that on, btw.... :P

George Marian

@Moshe Google? ;)

Moshe

@GeorgeMarian superuser.com

@GeorgeMarian Mac or Windows or 'nix?

George Marian

6:03 AM

'nix

Moshe

@GeorgeMarian - Try: webupd8.org/2009/10/how-to-use-greasemonkey-scripts-in.html

George Marian

The annoying thing is that it's quite possibly in the same basic location as the user style that i installed a while back.

As I recall, the location was less than obvious.

Tim Stone

They get stored in the Extensions folder, but I'm not sure where that lives on non-Windows machines.

Moshe

@GeorgeMarian huh? Oh, well this script supersedes any scripts reference on the SE sites, by replacing the link element with it's own stylesheet. No idea how userstyles will interact with

George Marian

It's someplace in the home directory, but it's not under .chromium directory like you'd expect. It's buried in some other directory.

Moshe

6:09 AM

@TimStone - Any thoughts/issues with the minimalOverflow atm?

George Marian

@Moshe All I was saying is that I've been through this once and I don't recall where it was. Maybe because the location isn't exactly obvioius.

Tim Stone

Nope

Moshe

@TimStone heh, how anticlimactic.

@GeorgeMarian gotcha

@GeorgeMarian : chromium.org/user-experience/user-data-directory

There we go

That page should list it.

Google Chrome: ~/.config/google-chrome/Default
Chromium: ~/.config/chromium/Default

George Marian

Yup, that seems to be the place.

Moshe

OK

has no idea where this iPhone App's settings bundle has gone

George Marian

6:18 AM

Freaking Gawker media and their BS JavaScript dependent URLs.

Moshe

@GeorgeMarian Well, did you get over your scriptophobia?

George Marian

Well, I wanted to know where I'd have to go to uninstall an alpha script. :P

Tim Stone

chrome://extensions/ -> Uninstall :P

Moshe

Well it's almost finished. It's the CSS that need polish.

The script merely loads CSS into any SE page and provides a convenient link to toggle the two stylesheets.

George Marian

@TimStone Like that's obvious.

Tim Stone

6:23 AM

(it's Wrench -> Tools -> Extensions)

George Marian

@TimStone No, I meant the notion that user scripts would be listed under extensions.

Moshe

\O/ I thoroughly messed up my iPhone. iOS development has hit an instability peak.

Tim Stone

@GeorgeMarian Ah, yeah...

George Marian

Speaking of which, I don't actually know where chromium stuck this user script. It's certainly not in my User Scripts directory. =/

Moshe

Ugh, stupid Settings.bundle LOAD, I say LOAD!

George Marian

6:26 AM

@Moshe So where's this link to switch the styelsheets located?

Moshe

In the topbar, next to "FAQ"

George Marian

hmmm

Moshe

George Marian

Yup, I definitely got nothing new there.

Moshe

Did you restart Chrome after installing?

Tim Stone

6:29 AM

You should only have to refresh the page.

Michael Mrozek

You shouldn't need to restart Chrome after installing a userscript

George Marian

I went to a new page.

Moshe

I don't know, the above is what should be visible in chrome://extensions.

George Marian

Mine's slightly different.

Moshe

@GeorgeMarian ? what do you see?

wonders what he accidentally broke

George Marian

6:32 AM

Hold on. GIMP seems to be choking on something.

Moshe

@MichaelMrozek I'd plug my userscript now, but seeing as someone is having trouble with it, I won't tell you to go install it.

Michael Mrozek

I don't really want the minimalist style anyway, I like it the way it is

Moshe

@MichaelMrozek Ok, just looking for feedback.

George Marian

Moshe

@GeorgeMarian Oh? Strange. Seems like a Chromium bug.

George Marian

6:34 AM

So, apparently not installed correctly or something.

That's what happened when I clicked on the file on github. Now, to do the install manually.

Moshe

@GeorgeMarian yea.

@GeorgeMarian Ok, I'm here.

George Marian

Which is part of the reason I didn't rush out to do it in the first place. :P

Moshe

@GeorgeMarian hear hear.

Tim Stone

Hmm, must be a quiet weekend. SE Modifications hasn't taken over the #1 spot on StackApps script's list yet. :P

George Marian

I know there was something else I wanted to do tonight. Oh, well. Not like I remember what it is.

Moshe

6:35 AM

Does Chromium choke on things like longer version numbers?

George Marian

Oh yah, smoke this cigar. I guess I can do both.

@Moshe I dunno, it's the same basic thing as Chrome. (Not that couldn't be "slight" differences.)

Moshe

I'm starring too much, my whole starred list has yellow star next to it.

What build of chromium do you have?

George Marian

Grrr...when I open a new window, I expect it to have focus.

Moshe

@GeorgeMarian another chromium bug? :P

George Marian

@Moshe Nah, that's Gnome or Metacity or Xorg

A stupid 'nix annoyance of some sort.

Moshe

6:40 AM

@TimStone @YiJiang - Does my script have to worry about other cookies from other scripts or parts of the site?

George Marian

Ok, WTF am I not doing correctly?

Tim Stone

Wha?

Moshe

@GeorgeMarian for starters, you're on the wrong OS :P

George Marian

@Moshe Right, 'cause paying for minor updates is the way to go... :P

Tim Stone

Zing!

George Marian

6:42 AM

So, I placed the js and the css in: ~/.config/chromium/Default/User Scripts

Moshe

@TimStone When setting a cookie in my userscript, can I use document.cookie without filtering other cookies?

@GeorgeMarian You just need the JS file.

George Marian

(That's spelled correctly, right?(

Moshe

yea, hang on

George Marian

@Moshe Oh, alright. Well, same difference?

Tim Stone

Hm, in Chrome it all goes in the Extensions folder.

George Marian

6:43 AM

@TimStone =/

@#$^%$

Tim Stone

(and then it uses some annoying random ID)

Moshe

32 mins ago, by Moshe

@GeorgeMarian : http://www.chromium.org/user-experience/user-data-directory

Tim Stone

@Moshe No

George Marian

I mean, really. WTF? So many pages on the interwebs say "User Scripts," which would seem to make sense, since it's "User StyleSheets" for user styles.

Moshe

@TimStone Ok, so what must I do to have a boolean cookie in my userscript?

Tim Stone

6:44 AM

Use localStorage anyway, it's much easier..

George Marian

takes a deep breath

Moshe

@TimStone how so?

and is that only HTML5-ish?

Tim Stone

localStorage['myFlag'] = true Done.

It is.

Moshe

@TimStone o ok

Tim Stone

But userscripts..

Moshe

6:45 AM

meh, only HTML5 browsers use userscripts

Tim Stone

@GeorgeMarian Yeah, I don't get it either.

Moshe

@TimStone can I put a string in there?

Like a path?

Tim Stone

Because it's not like the User StyleSheets folder doesn't exist anymore, so..

Yes, it only stores strings.

Moshe

@TimStone ok great

George Marian

Ok, so I went back to letting chromium install it and still nothing. It's enabled for all sites, right?

Moshe

6:46 AM

@GeorgeMarian Yes, it is, hang on, updating in a sec

Tim Stone

For some reason it apparently can't read the metadata. I had that problem earlier because of a BOM, but his file is ANSI-encoded anyway.

George Marian

See, I used to have Firefox straining under the load of too many addons. It's annoyances like this that make me avoid many addons. :)

Moshe

@TimStone I made the script in textwrangler for Mac, is that related to the issue?

Tim Stone

Unsurprisingly, I have zero idea. :P

George Marian

I read that as textmangler

Mmm...mmm..mmm this cigar is tasty.

Tim Stone

6:51 AM

@GeorgeMarian What does vim think of the userscript file? Is it formatted correctly?

Moshe

Hrm.. @TimStone = Can I use if(!localStorage['pathToStyleSheet']) to check for an empty stylesheet variable in local storage?

Tim Stone

Sure

George Marian

Ah, hmm...apparently, it thinks is an html file.

/headdesk

> ERROR: certificate common name *.github.com' doesn't match requested host name github.com'.

Tim Stone

Ohh

Moshe

@GeorgeMarian Oh, heh...

Tim Stone

6:54 AM

@GeorgeMarian github.com/MosheBerman/MinimalOverflow/raw/master/…

George Marian

@TimStone Hmm..that looks like an html file as well.

Tim Stone

Your Chromium must not have the update that allows it to ignore .user.js files that aren't served as type text/javascript.

Really?

Moshe

I hope I didn't break everything just now.

Pushed the local storage update

George Marian

@TimStone Yup.

Tim Stone

Weird.

Moshe

6:56 AM

@TimStone All usercript capable browsers should handle local storage, right?

Tim Stone

No clue. Firefox and Chrome do.

George Marian

I don't think they're related, per se.

Moshe

nope broke it

Tim Stone

I guess everything else does too, otherwise I lied a bit on the userscript descriptions.

Moshe

ugh

hang on fixing.

is too lazy to do it right the first time around

George Marian

6:58 AM

wonders if it'd just be easier to do a git clone

Grr...really github? Your site depends on JavaScript to function, yet you have no <noscript> tag to let me know that?

Tim Stone

Ouch, at least SO has that big red failbar, heh.

George Marian

Oh....hmm, maybe i was wrong about that raw link. I forgot that wget doesn't clobber files.

Moshe

Ugh, @GeorgeMarian - hang in there. Don't clone it yet.

@TimStone - How do I read out that localStorage value?

localStorage['pathToStylesheet'] seems to return nothing.

Tim Stone

It should, if you set it to something.

Moshe

@TimStone hrm, ... mmm

Oh, I keep doing that

Tim Stone

7:07 AM

You should make sure to type names in the right case..

Moshe

@TimStone yea, I'm thinking I should replace "stylesheet" with "CSS"

mootinator

This question should have been migrated to meta, then closed as NARQ. People with close votes these days...

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Q: Not really a question

I am drunk and I just wanted to express my gratitude to people who run and run around the stax sites helping others. Stack FTW!!! Now close/downvote me to hell.

language-agnostic

Moshe

It works!

@TimStone, @GeorgeMarian, go for it now!

Tim Stone

I'm always confused by people who get that drunk and then end up on Stack Overflow of all places.

mootinator

nod

I shouldn't be up when people are that drunk.

That's my cue...

Tim Stone

7:11 AM

..Huh, I've never thought of it like that.

reconsiders sleep schedule

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Moshe

@TimStone - Before you make life altering decisions, did you see the latest version of my script? It works!

@GeorgeMarian - Let me know if you get 0.0.7.7 working.

Tim Stone

Uh I did not. But cool.

Moshe

@TimStone Ok. Thanks for the localStorage tip. I wouldn't be able to digest cookies at this hour.

Tim Stone

Cookies are pretty annoying to work with in JavaScript, so no problem.

Moshe

notices just how not minimal his style is

I really need to give that a second look.

but the toggler works and that's nice.

Okay, gnight.

Tim Stone

7:15 AM

G'night.

George Marian

@Moshe Ok, 0.7.8 seems to work.

PFM, I tell yah.

Tim Stone

\o/

George Marian

I still want to know WTF is up w/ this "User Scripts" directory. Why can't they just go in there?

And, WTF is up w/ the random directory names under Extensions? Are they trying to be annoying on purpose?

Tim Stone

That'd be too easy :P

That's how they name their URLs too!

chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/…

WTF is that shit!

(Well, it's Mahjong Solitaire, but you'd never know)

George Marian

Hasn't this lesson already been learned? make the effing thing work in multiple ways. Why should I have to use their approved interface? Especially since they're just thrown in directories. grr

@TimStone Nice. That's all sorts of special.

Ok, the flash of style kinda sucks...

Tim Stone

7:31 AM

Ah, because of the delay in invoking the userscript?

George Marian

Yah, probably.

It makes for a rather hacky solution.

Tim Stone

Yeah, not a particularly appropriate task for a userscript.

Though for the purposes of development I imagine it's decent enough.

George Marian

@TimStone Yah, I think i was making that point earlier. :D

Yi Jiang

Userstyle, dammit! I said userstyle!

George Marian

@YiJiang That's what I said as well. But, that's a rather all or nothing type of thing, isn't it?

Tim Stone

7:33 AM

@GeorgeMarian I believe so too, heh :D

Yi Jiang

@GeorgeMarian Yeah, unfortunately

You can make it an extension, but that really isn't that good an alternative

George Marian

Or, better yet they can just do it the right way and make it part of the site's functionality.

Tim Stone

yesterday, by Jeff Atwood

hmm @badp brings up a good point -- perhaps rather than a script with a bunch of embedded styles, we should officially maintain the "clean" css and support switching to it as specified

George Marian

Yeah, that.

BTW, don't ever setup an aquarium, unless you really want a whole lot of annoyances.

Tim Stone

Heh, those fish still going strong? :P

George Marian

7:37 AM

Actually, a bunch of them died off in my tank. It's been empty since then. And I just noticed today that the other tank isn't as overcrowded as it was.

Tim Stone

Oh, damn.

George Marian

I just had to move the air bubbler into the other tank, which led to my cigar going out which I blame for it tasting rather crappy now.

@TimStone Yah, I lost the tetras and a bunch of guppies, but I have more guppies than I know what to do with.

Thankfully, the chinese algae either survived. That's a cool little fish, even if it's constantly hiding.

Tim Stone

Ah ha...fish, pain in the ass, heh.

Moshe

I'm back...

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A: A client wants me to do CSS coding (only) but doesn't want to provide me the php files.

I'm actually doing this right now for SO. I'm working on a userscript that provides an alternate "clean" stylesheet for the StackExchange network. I have no access to the SO engine. I am using the Chrome Inspector to look at how the elements are set up. I recommend the same. (Although it is a li...

George Marian

@TimStone They require a lot of effort to maintain.

Moshe

7:41 AM

Not sure if this is NARQ, but I made a point of answering, since I'm doing the same essentially, for SO.

George Marian

Worse yet, I read that you should start w/ at least a 20 gal tank until you know what you're doing.

Alas, 10 gal tanks are the most common.

Moshe

@GeorgeMarian - I know about that flash, can't do much about it until it's ready for SE to take over and host.

George Marian

Not to mention that many of the accessories are designed like adult toys.

@Moshe Yah, I figured. Like I said, they just need to make part of the site's functionality.

Tim Stone

Hahahah

Moshe

@GeorgeMarian I'm working on it. Notice the CSS file has been changing over the last few minutes...

George Marian

7:50 AM

LOL Apparently, someone on delicious.com has tagged that chorium user data directory link with a privacy tag.

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