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12:00 AM
It appears to be liquefied bug parts.
> "I Googled 'girls having fun', and after 97000 pages of porn, I found crazy bowling!" -- Marge Simpson
 
Don't you just love coming back to chat and seeing:
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@TheRenamedException not really :p
 
12:07 AM
You rang?
 
I just wanted to know why you deleted your question. Then you went and answered my question before I asked it by posting in the comments.
@TheRenamedException NO!
work and all that blahness
 
Howdy.
I, and my r's, are both here, as requested.
hehehe
 
lol
I can see it's after 5 for you already ;)
 
I deleted my question because it was pointless.
 
12:09 AM
Question or answer?
 
er, answer
I mean, sure, I speak the truth, but it's not as though it's going to have any impact on the question and/or situation in general.
 
That's what I thought, just wanted to make sure I understood.
@Pollyanna Ah, OK. I was about to say it wasn't pointless, but, I see your point about it being pointless now
 
Plus one could view it as passive-aggressive. By deleting it, only 10k users can see it (ie, the op and most others that really can see the meat being made) but they can't vote or comment on it.
I'm nothing if not passive aggressive.
 
double negation syntax parsing fail
So you're for or against it being deleted? I should go read more
 
12:13 AM
@drachenstern He didn't not say that he's nothing if not passive agressive
 
@drachenstern heh. I deleted it myself, so I would have to say that I'm for deleting my own answer.
 
@Pollyanna I rather meant the question
 
@drachenstern you did say question, and confused me
 
@TheRenamedException thanks. Err. Hrm.
 
Oh, I voted to close it as noise and pointless.
 
12:14 AM
@TheRenamedException oh, bahaha
 
It could certainly be crafted such that it weren't a "You all suck, I'm going home" missive.
But as-is, I honestly don't see any redeeming value to keeping it around.
 
@Pollyanna I take this as a challenge to edit and change your mind ;-)
 
Personally I'm a fan of such things only because I like to understand when and why people I am familiar with leave. In other words, I like to rubber neck.
 
That reminds me:
5 hours ago, by balpha
> "the chat isn't an IDE." Challenge accepted. – Pollyanna ↵ 52 mins ago
5 hours ago, by balpha
I wonder what comes
 
@The hehe, I'm curious to know if Lance would accept a sterile question devoid of personal meaning, simply asking jeff to tone it down.
 
12:16 AM
@Pollyanna same here, and I don't like to see people leave when they have possible valid complaints which instead of leaving they could actually act to change
I know that it's par for the course but I don't think it has to be
 
In the past Jeff hasn't reacted kindly to questions that are follow ups to questions where he essentially said, "Don't follow up"
 
I have seen him say "End of discussion" at times I considered inappropriate, though. My opinion, of course, but..
 
Oh sure. And I've seen others bring up the discussion weeks later successfully obtaining the change requested.
Jeff and Joel, to some degree, claim affinity to the concept of "strong opinions, weakly held"
 
For example he deleted (deleted, not closed) a very valid question on the new edit functionality. before deleting he commented that it was 'too early to have this discussion". Turns out the OP actually had found a serious flaw in the system, same question was posted by someone else weeks later and waffles agreed it was an issue, and fixed it
@Pollyanna yes, same here
 
Well, I already explained what I think about that case. :P
 
12:20 AM
I'm not trying to criticize Jeff here... FWIW
 
In this case though, removing the [feature-request] tag (making it explicitly [discussion]) and then saying "no more discussion" confuses me..
 
I disagree with Jeff pretty continuously and I think that was sane; you can't have a swath of bug reports about a feature still in development; they would've had to sift through them all
 
Why not just mark it [status-whatever] and say "We're done"?
@MichaelMrozek Yeah, that was my take too.
 
I have no idea what he was doing with the post Lance flipped out about though
 
The edit question, though, was brought up while editing was in its infancy, so saying it's too early was valid. Deleting it may have been over the top, but if he didn't want to announce it yet, I can understand why. Once it was released, of course bringing it up as a problem was valid.
 
12:22 AM
@Pollyanna It was the deletion that bothered me
 
@Pollyanna that's what I gathered once you posted that little story there.
 
I can understand closing, although as you yourself said (I think) "If not when the feature is still being developed, then when is the best time to talk about it?"
 
@TheRenamedException People would have kept posting and commenting otherwise, I think.
 
Meh. It's a company and a service. Getting too involved leaves one too open to getting burned.
 
@Pollyanna good point
 
12:23 AM
@The Must have been someone else, I'm not that smart.
 
@TimStone yes, and it didn't bother me that much, and I brought it up only one or two other times I think. I'm not trying to argue about this point specifically, I was trying to use it as an example of a decision I disagreed with
My point is, when you disagree, leaving doesn't help. If you feel you have a valid disagreement, make a strong case.
 
It took Jeff what, a year or so? to break me of the habit of adding "-Adam" to every post. Rich took it as a personal challenge to rid SO of all my signatures.
I still don't agree with it, but they decided to make it officially bad, rather than a suggestion.
 
I think that predates my time here...
 
Although they never banned me for it, so I suppose it wasn't all that bad.
 
@TheRenamedException Oh, sure.
 
12:28 AM
@The You were around before I stopped I think. I wonder where that user interaction query is. We may have run into each other when I was active on SO.
 
Hey @TimStone go ahead and put me out of my misery?
 
@Pollyanna hm, ok, it was probably before my time on meta then... Because I know I remember seeing you active on SO
I was never on uservoice, so.. I thought I was late to meta, but looking at my join date as compared to others, I guess I actually was not
 
@drachenstern Hah, it's taking forever to send my move..
 
I certainly remember feeling like "What the heck is this place!?!?" when I first found Meta. But that was probably just because it was, well, Meta...
 
"Where did the colour go?"
 
12:31 AM
damnit I lost my 20 day streak on like six sites from having a social life this weekend :( ... having friends cost me my badge :\
 
@drachenstern Give it up. If you aren't willing to discard your friends for stackoverflow, you can hardly call yourself a fanatic.
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Yeah I joined Meta on Jul 17 '09
 
@Pollyanna I know :\ [[the bonus is the making out trumps the badge, so ...]]
@TheRenamedException I didn't come on meta till nearly June of 2010
 
Should write an app for your phone to log in to each site daily in the background.
I only came to meta when chat.SO didn't take off.
 
@DanGrossman you make me sound motivated
 
12:34 AM
@DanGrossman didn't I tell you that you were in the imposter tavern? I told somebody that
Maybe it was @mootinator
 
@TheRenamedException I don't recall that
 
@drachenstern That was when meta was only a year old: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/1/…
 
@TheRenamedException You told me that, yes....
 
Feb 4 at 7:58, by Dan Grossman
meta is scary and incestuous, I only (ab)use its chat room
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@DanGrossman AHAHAHA
@mootinator I knew I told somebody :-)
 
12:36 AM
You say that as though being scary and incestuous is a bad thing.
 
I'm definitely an SO user/addict, meta not so much
 
@Pollyanna cool, so I was in b4 yearlings ... nice
 
@DanGrossman Somehow I now have more rep on Meta than any other site, LOL
 
I only came to meta because some of the chatters in the SO tavern made me /facepalm so much I developed acne.
 
SO tavern is the wannabe tavern. The real beer is served here. UNICORN BEER FTW!
 
12:39 AM
@mootinator I think I lured you over didn't I?
 
4 mins ago, by The Renamed Exception
@DanGrossman didn't I tell you that you were in the imposter tavern? I told somebody that
4 mins ago, by mootinator
@TheRenamedException You told me that, yes....
 
@DanGrossman I had to give up SO. It is too easy for me to lose hours answering questions. Meta, however, doesn't have so much new content, so I can participate and only kill an hour a day or so, when I visit.
 
@drachenstern I think I was lured over at the same time as you, approximately.
 
@TheRenamedException I'll take the unicron root beer, go easy on the sparkles.
 
With promises of freehand circles and unicorns.
 
12:40 AM
MMMmmmmm, unicron...
 
I'm blessed with a six figure income from my websites even if I don't do any work, so I have almost unlimited time to waste answering questions or whatever else I feel like doing.
 
@DanGrossman I would like to have that problem.
 
Today I bought girl scout cookies at the mall, bought a book at Barnes&Noble, answered a few questions and read reddit. I answered one help desk ticket.
I just felt my library was missing that. I read 1/3 of it before leaving the store.
 
@DanGrossman I too am jealous
 
Wasting your time with the bad parts up 'til now, hmm?
 
12:42 AM
Well, I put some JavaScript code up on github and someone rewrote some of it to be "more javascripty"
 
I really need to buy that book
 
@DanGrossman Nice portfolio of sites, no wonder you're doing well.
 
@DanGrossman needs moar jquery
 
Speaking of which
 
12:45 AM
The fact that you're getting feedback and contributions, though, is a good thing.
 
I need to figure out this userscript thing
 
Yeah, I appreciated someone else taking the initiative! I actually use that code in production now too :)
 
I need to finish fixing the comment auto-complete, hmm.
 
So I need to use this inject function to get access to jQuery right @TimStone?
 
It's the easiest way, yep.
 
12:48 AM
I see that it executes it and passes jQuery as the $ argument, so I can see how that works, but I am not for the life of me understanding what else you're passing it. Oh wait. Nevermind, I just got it
Tricky tricky referencing functions above where you define them
yes I /blame rchern Oy!
 
Don't we all?
Aw, the previous statement was much funnier.
 
My browser has too much jquery
 
@TheRenamedException Oh, you mean the part where it actually calls inject()?
 
@TimStone yes, specifically inject(livequery, bindas, expression
 
@DanGrossman Would you like a side of browser to go with your jquery?
 
12:50 AM
because you define those further down, and I was confused
 
They aren't likely to change, so they get put at the bottom so I don't have to scroll past them :P
 
I know your real intention was to confuse me
:-)
so since I already have my own closure set up, hm...
 
Secondary goal. ;)
 
oh I see, you actually set window.ChatExtension
 
Yeah
 
12:56 AM
At least I can rest happy knowing that I was right that it was going to take me way longer than 90 minutes to finish up my code, if only to remember where the hell I was last time :(
 
hm, still get errors...
 
shakes fist at them
 
sorry, should have said error. Same error: Needs Moar jQuery (Uncaught ReferenceError: $ is not defined
 
Codez?
 
1:03 AM
I don't think it's accessible from inside of your additional closure.
 
You could just remove it, though. :P
 
@TimStone oh, wait, I see, just assign window.SEChatStatus = publicObj?
 
Yeah
 
sorry this sort of injection is new to me
closures no, userscripts, yes
yeah same error, huh, maybe chrome is caching?
 
1:08 AM
I think it's possible to access the page variables in Greasemonkey through unsafeWindow, but by injecting the script into the page we know it works in all userscript-supporting browsers.
 
Anything special to install a new version of a userscript in chrome?
I have been uninstalling and clicking the link above
there we go!
it was cached
 
Ah ha
 
STATUS WORKS
 
\o/
 
@JoshsSocks Good. no get in the wash, you stink
@TimStone mind updating your status so I can take a screenshot?
 
1:12 AM
Thank!
 
@TheRenamedException how did you force the uncached version? changename?
 
@drachenstern cleared browser cache
 
@TheRenamedException figures. I'm not into this whole clearing my cache thing. I prefer incognito if I'm going to be worried about that. I'll have to find another way
 
@drachenstern I will change the name. But just for you
 
1:14 AM
@TheRenamedException no, I meant in another way :p
for when I'm developing at home
 
I don't see colours :P
 
@TimStone did I just turn green?
 
mm, nope.
 
status-no-usersctipt-on-imac
 
@TimStone is everyone gray?
 
1:16 AM
hmmm, I think the colors are local browser only. No way to force it to the clients.
 
@TheRenamedException Yeah
 
I see no user-avatars borders
oh /facepalm I'm using a bad version of the script :[
 
@TimStone OH. Room joining is broken
Join that room please
Oh also, known bug is that it only works for the tab that is polling...
Any colors now @TimStone?
 
@TheRenamedException In the other room
 
@TimStone Yeah. Next priority will be fixing the polling, so it checks localStorage instead of parsing the JSON AJAX result
5 hours ago, by balpha
@TheRenamedException attach a handler to the onStorage event and check localStorage.getItem("chat:broadcastQueue")
OK. Much work to do, need food :-)
 
1:40 AM
that's a pretty handy chatterbox
 
Yeah, it works really well. I was using Olark before and their code got all f**ked up on W3Counter because of the high concurrency... SnapEngage has no problem with it.
 
WARNING WARNING WARING WARNING the chat status userscript just nearly killed my laptop via overheating. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK
 
Noah from AppSumo gave me a 3-months-free coupon, too.
 
@TimStone and @drachenstern ^^^
 
@JoshsSocks WTF.
 
1:41 AM
@JoshsSocks O_o
 
Good thing I'm on a desktop then. Guess it's time to uninstall/disable
 
How does a javascript kill a laptop?
 
uninstalled
 
Oh, one of my Chrome instances is maxing out one of my CPU cores..
 
IDK, CPU went to 100%, and when I came back to my system the CPU temp was at 170°
 
1:43 AM
What did you do Josh? :P
 
yeah, after he mentioned it I checked my desktop applet, I was pegged
 
WTF!?
 
@JoshsSocks That your system overheats no matter what software does is WTF itself.
 
Ok, going back to kitchen, bbl and will fix
@DanGrossman agreed. Old laptop, fans are shot
 
1:45 AM
@DanGrossman why are we still using faxes?
 
@drachenstern Banks, mostly. They're still running COBOL on mainframes too.
 
@JoshsSocks my new plan is to save up and buy a macbook pro around xmas
 
On the left: Dual graphics cards, faster CPU, better batteries, brighter display, higher resolution, wider color gamut.
On the right: Apple logo.
 
@DanGrossman this is the only one that runs xcode legally tho
 
1:53 AM
@DanGrossman that's so funny, cos everytime I ask someone who supposedly knows, they say the EULA requires a certain type of hardware :\ I could always ask on askdifferent.com
 
I'm sure it does, you're not supposed to run OS X on anything but a Mac.
 
@drachenstern the EULA does
doesn't mean the software checks ...
 
@Zypher I thought they enforced that ...
 
meh
they try to stuff like checking the EFI records
and ... requireing EFI
 
Actually getting it to boot without Apple hardware is a pain. If I wanted to write iOS apps, I'd look for a used mini or something.
 
1:55 AM
that used to be the big one not much hardware supported EFI
 
@DanGrossman or a macbook probably, since I don't mind paying the tax, ya know?
@Zypher yeah, I know. I still want an UEFI machine, or something better
 
yea, oo i see cisco changed their site again ... sigh
 
@Zypher They like to keep you on your toes.
 
haha, i think they just have too many PHB's now
 

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