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12:10 AM
@TimStone agreed, I know what you mean
The broadcast one is the lowest on my list
also
OMG WTF BBQ THESE RIBS ARE GOING TO BE SO DELICIOUS!!!!!
 
Hahah
I haven't even thought about dinner yet, hmm..
 
I see @MichaelMrozek is idle, I guess that means more ribs for me!
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Hi. A few new downloads.
Yay!
 
12:40 AM
@Moshe Paying customers? Awesome!
 
1:00 AM
Sigh
 
Which reminds me, I should check on my AdWords account
 
> type denotes the message digest algorithm that was used to generate m. It usually is one of NID_sha1, NID_ripemd160 and NID_md5; see objects(3) for details.
1. according to Netbeans, there are no variables starting with NID
2. what the fuck is objects(3)?
There is no such fucking manpage anywhere on the internet
 
1:18 AM
A bug report was filed in 2007 for the issue of objects(3) not existing despite being referenced by 5 other man pages.
OpenSSL is a bit of a mess. If I had to code against it I'd be tempted to try to use the command line utilities whenever possible, instead of interacting with the code :p
btw
 
Yeah, I still haven't found out how I'm supposed to read and write keys from/to disk
 
and the NID stuff was in openssl/engine.h
 
objects(3) is probably supposed to be a man page for objects.h which defines those NID_ vars
 
@TimStone Hah! Dinner? I haven't even thought about breakfast yet...
 
1:30 AM
@GeorgeMarian I feel slightly more fortunate now ;)
 
Just had breakfast, hmmm...
 
I'm still on my coffee and cigar of the "morning."
 
I'm thrilled every time I get to use a picture in an answer.
 
Probably should've eaten something first though. lol
 
You're one of those tribal folk that burns plants in his mouth eh?
 
1:31 AM
mmm...tasty
Granted, it's very much an acquired taste. :)
 
Crap, so a 128 bytes RSA key is actually not 128 bytes large when saved.
or is it.
 
Whatsitnow?
I generated a 2048 bit private key file with the openssl genrsa command and got a 1679 byte file.
> The big mistake is thinking Lisp is going to grow by first being adopted in Tall Buildings. They are the drones, the lemmings, the sheep. They follow where We the Blessed Gurus lead them. But this time it is to the slaughterhouse, because the world needs only fifty Lisp programmers to write All the Code.
> I struggle to learn C#. It's like someone put a pile of @#$% together and called it a language. Every time I think I'm starting to get the hang of it, they add another turd to the pile, and it doesn't look smell or taste like any of the other turds. There's no rhyme or reason - it's not architecture, it's one turd on top of another.
 
1:51 AM
okay, let's see how fucked I am
I need public cryptography working on key pairs that can be saved each in chunks of 128 bits.
I don't care how weak it is, I just need to be able to call it public cryptography and I just need to be able to do signatures and signature verification with them
is it possible?
 
I don't see why not, but I can't tell you how to do it :/
 
Blergh.
I wonder how long it will take for the hordes of downvoters to discover me answering questions I don't have any clue about.
 
2:07 AM
It's a weekend, you're safe!
 
@mootinator Downvote squad, activate!!!
 
Aha!
 
0
A: How do I use OpenSSL

mootinatorIf you want to send encrypted e-mail what you need to do depends on what e-mail client you're using. If you're using gmail, for instance, there are browser plugins available which enable S/MIME support. Alternately, you could use the smime command line tool to encrypt and decrypt the messages. ...

12 year old... interesting
 
Yeah, I don't want to know :P
 
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Q: WHAT DHOULD I DO NOW?

Ceilaokay so the guy who i have had a crush on for 6 months asked me out to a dance. I said yes and we had a GREAT time. We ended up slow dancing together! When i went home, we were texting and i summoned the courage to ask him if he liked me more than a friend. He said "i think so. I'm.....not sure w...

 
2:19 AM
Well, we do have a relationships tag...
 
lol
stops trying to speak 12 year old.
 
So, SMS gateways are expensive, and shortcodes are uber expensive.
Cell phone service with unlimited texting is cheap.
I wonder what would happen if you ran a commercial asking people to text your home phone number, and wrote an Android/iOS app to pass the texts from your phone to a web service to process them.
How many thousand texts before someone cuts off your unlimited messaging?
 
Why would anyone care?
Texts are *unbelievably* cheap to deliver.
 
My "unlimited" texting is 2500 :P
 
They care because they charge SMS gateways for 'em, and they want you to pay for a shortcode, no?
 
2:27 AM
The problem is towers also have a very thin bandwidth allocated to texts
texting was never expected to be this successful.
 
Texts got shoved into a band for service messages, 'tis why they're so short!
 
so apparently the only way to increase texting bandwidth is making more towers
 
The solution to that is to get everyone on BBM.
 
My knowledge of SMS is old, but I thought the infrastructure implied a throttle on text delivery to any single device.
 
not exactly unbelievably cheap :|
 
2:28 AM
And off iPhones.
 
Or make a new text delivery protocol part of LTE or whatever they want their next-gen stuff to be
 
@DanGrossman MMS? :)
 
Once phones are on that, they can pull the texts out of the data stream or whatever
 
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Q: Make chat feed awesome (or at least usable)

Yi JiangIn the Stack Overflow JavaScript room, we wanted to add the feeds of the blogs of several prominent JavaScript developers. This is what we got: This sucks. The format is totally usable, there's no indication of which goes to what (the top link goes to the feed URL, the bottom link links to th...

 
Why do I feel the need to own archival, complete sets of books and DVDs? I don't even like Dilbert all that much, but $22.
 
That's why I linked it, the price is really low now
 
That's really good
 
You Save: $62.96 (74%) Really? Cool!
 
2:45 AM
Not only a book but a DVD of every Dilbert comic
 
wtf m8, wtf...
 
sorry about that, @mootinator.
the icon even looks a little trollish.
 
I require a US based proxy shipper of some sort.
 
2:50 AM
bongous.com maybe..
Ah same thing I see.
 
Not horrible, right? $1 to forward a letter from US to Toronto
 
No, not bad.
 
Tied loosely with Dan's earlier question, forwarding services like that are probably frowned upon, if not actually against postal regs.
 
Whoa, why?
 
A hunch.
Messing with the mails, and all that.
 
2:56 AM
Half of corporate america lists their address in Delaware without actually being there, that's what registered agent companies are for
What's the diff?
 
There are reasons, if not good ones, that ordering from .ca is so much more expensive than ordering from .com
not sure I see the connection, Dan.
 
Your registered agent is where official mail for the company, like lawsuits, are sent
If you can mail a lawsuit to a forwarding company, why not a book?
 
are these companies registered agents, or the legal equivalent thereof?
 
@DanGrossman Why Delaware?
 
@YiJiang Favorable tax laws and court systems for big business
 
2:58 AM
@YiJiang It's corporation-friendly on multiple levels.
 
Otherwise a crappy little state :p
 
There's tax-free shopping, too.. :P
 
University of Delaware offered me a full ride MS+PhD to move there, I didn't :/
 
their way of dealing with being a crappy little state, maybe, like NV with gambling
" If you request forwarding of Mail across national borders, you acknowledge that compliance with international laws and treaties requires us to open and inspect all packages and all letters that might contain something other than documents before forwarding such items to another country, and you grant us your consent to open any such packages delivered to us in your name. "
not that bad for such a service, I guess.
 
Damn, no smuggling children in bulk.
 
3:01 AM
there goes my business plan
 
!!
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Q: how proprietary are commercial software?

Kim Jong Woowhat percentage of open source projects are in use, and how are they allowed to still ship a software claiming it's all proprietary?

Great name/avatar/question
 
guy's been getting flak for that avatar
 
@DanGrossman Doesn't make any sense; who's 'they'?
 
No idea :)
 
3:34 AM
@DanG yes, actually that's Friday's stats, not today.
 
4:14 AM
@MichaelPetrotta meh, a person with Ghandi's avatar also got flak for it
if there's no "real" reason to change it, it can't be forced upon him
 
Yeah, not suggesting he should have to change it.
There was one pretty blatant anti-Semetic one a while back, that bothered me.
but other than that.
 
> Discovered I was suspended without any reason thanks to some whiny little kid butthurt I didn't accept his answer. I asked another very different question and it was flagged and reported by the same little bitch which got me suspended. I respond with covert offensive penetration into his web assets but decide I am overreacting. I am back again.
lolno.
 
@badp lolwut?
 
@YiJiang from the user's profile page
 
"covert offensive penetration into his web assets"
Is that what the kids call it these days?
 
4:17 AM
lol
 
@MichaelPetrotta Totally dude, we'd also like to synergize with your blue-sky thinking tank foundation to maximize our asset realization capabilities
realizes he's not very good at this
 
through leveraging of your learns and our needs we can produce take-away-rich value-added content for our conversation
 
@badp: take out the "leveraging", and I catch myself talking like that sometimes.
 
 
goes away to cry now
 
4:20 AM
@badp That's what some users look like when they first discover SO chat isn't it?
 
poor guy has such a tiny spacebar
 
@MichaelPetrotta I blame rchen.
 
@badp That's like the Chinese version of rchern isn't it?
 
who, Raymond Chen?
(dammit you made me spoil it.)
 
Really, he talks like that vocabulary is unique to Microsoft. Most of those words would fit right in where I work.
 
4:23 AM
@badp Has @RebeccaChernoff made us say 'leveraging' more now that she's in the team? :P
 
@YiJiang She used it twice in the mods only room; both times in September.
sorry to rain on your parade :P
 
@badp Well it's obvious now since she's in the developmental community management team that she should leverage her position to encourage blue sky thinking and foster comradery amongst the end-user base in the real-time messaging environment here on the sister site of the world's largest programming Q&A site to create extraneous synergy that value-adds to the main functionality of this interwebsite
(Cool, that didn't exceed the character limit)
 
@YiJiang To be fair she could've used the word like crazy in the employee only chat
we'll assume for lack of proof to the contrary that she indeed does.
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For science.
 
I find no fault with your logic.
 
Neither can I. We can safely assume that indeed she does want to leverage her position to encourage blue sky thinking... I think I should stop now
 
4:31 AM
Oh, lovely. I come back to the computer and what do ya know, you're talking about me again.
 
This is MSO. You're the topic.
 
@RebeccaChernoff Of course. The topic of whether or not you want to leverage your position to encourage blue sky thinking and foster comradery amongst the end-user base in the real-time messaging environment here on the sister site of the world's largest programming Q&A site to create extraneous synergy that value-adds to the main functionality of this interwebsite is an exceedingly interesting one
 
what the
 
@RebeccaChernoff you aren't reading that are you :|
 
peeks over at chat, reads a bit, raises brow, and shakes head
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4:34 AM
@TimStone I usually does that, but not in that order
 
those middle 2 steps really aren't needed.
just skip straight to the end.
 
Unfortunately what's done is done. :P
 
I'm sorry.
 
Blue sky thinking people!
 
Hmm, damn, I didn't realize it was so late already. Suppose I'll have to go to Lowes tomorrow.
 
4:38 AM
- high altitude view
- holistic approach
- blue sky thinking
- think outside the box
- on/off my radar
- brain dump
- good to go
- raise the flagpole
- heads-up
- touch base
- grey area
- bandwidth
- let's take that offline
- cascade information
- 360-degree
- drop the ball
- take a rain check
- going forward
- sort the wheat from the chaff
- singing from the same hymn sheet
- my door is open on this issue
- the use of 'did we...' when someone blatantly means 'did you' (this was the company's highest earner)
 
o_O
 
> Council leaders have compiled a banned list of the 200 worst uses of jargon, with "predictors of beaconicity" and "taxonomy" among the worst horrors.
 
They've got a complete list here: news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7949077.stm
 
I see. :P I think I'm going to go watch TV now..
 
4:42 AM
Am I the only person who saw 'bacon' in 'predictors of beaconicity'?
(Spell check tells me 'beaconicity' is not a word, hmmm...)
 
Probably, but that's largely because I'm trying to forget the fact that I didn't get around to eating dinner, heh.
 
 
1 hour later…
5:44 AM
what was that web service that suffered major data loss last year because they did backups they couldn't restore from?
magnolia
 
6:15 AM
Sometimes I really are an horrible person.
 
although I can fit another buzzword by replacing the dollar sign
 
Yay, I love it when I imagine parameters on api calls.
 
 
1 hour later…
7:34 AM
> The shot captures the leader of the free world, in relaxed and expansive mode, with a wide-eyed and slightly open-mouthed Zuckerberg in full-on deer-in-headlights mode.
 
:D The caption on that picture is hysterical
 
Yah, I really like their snarkiness. That's one of the reasons I read their articles.
 
 
1 hour later…
9:06 AM
Hi! :)
 
9:24 AM
@TimStone /me is broken… (Chrome 11.0.672.2 dev)
 
@Nyuszika7H Any error or stuff like that?
Did you forget a trailing space?
 
@YiJiang No, I didn't forget the space and no errors in the console.
 
Okay, will check
 
@YiJiang check out my rchern command at the SO Sandbox :P
 
@Nyuszika7H @RebeccaChernoff Won't like it ;)
 
9:26 AM
@YiJiang neither Kitten's one ;) they're basically the same, I copy-pasted the array from command.js :P
 
@Nyuszika7H Well that's not a command, so it's fine. This however... :P
 
@YiJiang This new ChatExtension thingy is really nice! :)
status-meh
This was made with a command, too ;)
Next will be the dummy image :)
 
@Nyuszika7H Yeah, I fixed that earlier (but I haven't pushed those changes out). Thanks for the report.
 
@TimStone Hmm, what broke?
 
@YiJiang I misplaced a parenthesis when I was reorganizing the script, apparently.
 
9:32 AM
@RebeccaChernoff Say, can you update the link on github.com/rchern/StackExchangeScripts to the gh pages to the gh pages link?
 
 
2 hours later…
11:04 AM
Can someone explain to me why this is a bad question or a bad idea? meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/79978/…
 
11:28 AM
@arex1337 With upvoting as 'liberal' as it is now, surely giving people the chance to vote before they even see the contents of the post is a bad idea?
 
11:45 AM
@arex1337 it's a perfectly fine question, but I find it a very bad idea. We have too much upvoting of bad questions as it is. Not having to look at the question before upvoting would, if anything, make the problem worse. Remember that negative vote scores are the main metric for the "low quality questions" detection system.
 
I didn't realize there was too much upvoting - I'm new :) Thanks for the replies.
 
11:58 AM
@balpha Is that change to markdown mini parsing applicable to chat too?
 
not yet, but it will be
 
@YiJiang what change?
 
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A: Can we please have a place where changes to the markdown syntax are documented?

balphaBold & Italic This now works as expected: Let me ***emphasize*** this turns into Let me emphasize this Codeblocks in multiple backticks This is new, and almost works like in regular markdown now: ```code with one ` or two `` backticks``` becomes code with one ` or two...

 
@Nyuszika7H Look at the MSO homepage ;)
 
@balpha see my comment on it
 
12:21 PM
@Nyuszika7H I don't get the joke
 
@balpha It works fine with just three backticks.
 
it also works fine with any prime number that has an "e" in it's english representation
or any other number >1, for that matter
what's your point?
 
12:48 PM
(3,4,-129+3j)
</bad-pun-of-the-day>
 
Oooh... Komodo Edit 6.1 has improved support for Django.
 
@badp You have crossed the line. In fact, you're so far past the line that it appears as a dot to you.
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Well, actually™, it's just a matter of perspective
 
Huh? What's that unicornscrip in my console?
|:
 
 
2 hours later…
2:37 PM
@Nyuszika7H lol
@TimStone and anyone else who was following me yesterday, I got a response to my inquiry. That home really is $950! Here's her reply...
> Hello, how do you do ? Thanks for the interest in my House,my house is still available for rent and is located at xxx, quite and safe I only need someone that can take good care of the house at my absence because right now am not around i just secured a contract in London of which i will not be back until after 2years.
> And am here with the house keys and document, i tried to look for managent before i left but couldn't get any in time.If you know that you have a good reference and a good crediential you can email me back to secure and occupy my house at my absent.
Oh boy, I am going to have fun with this crackpot!
> Pet is permitted with the necessary pet security deposit etc. Renters will be required to pay First month $950 and a $650 Refundable Security Deposit prior to occupancy. This is a new listing in a highly desirable location. All email correspondence will be answered. Please walk by first.! There is also high speed wireless internet access.Pets acceptable (deposit required).
> References a must., Hope you are Okay with the rent fee of $950 per month and a $650 Earnest security Deposit to Hold Property , get back to me asap because i need a tenant urgently and i can also forward the application form to you, if you are interested. Have a nice day.
$950/mo for a home that should be $2000/mo, with a $650 security deposit!?!?!? Yeah that doesn't sound like a scam in the slightest bit...
Now taking bets as to what country the scammer is in! I vote Nigeria.
 
Brilliant... just found myself concatenating strings together with + in PHP
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3:04 PM
I don't get it... what's the correct URL format that will trigger an answer onebox?
 
the one you get from the "link" link
 
@balpha Which is ridiculously long and complicated
 
is your clipboard being confused by the complicated URL?
 
@balpha No, something else entirely
in JavaScript on Stack Overflow Chat, 11 mins ago, by Yi Jiang
I wrote a small PHP page that uses the SO API to filter out the top voted answer and question in the last 3 hours
 
@DanGrossman I wrote a post-mortem about our exchange yesterday night
Thanks again for your help (feel free to write an answer, I'll delete mine and mark yours accepted and give you the reps you deserve, or not.)
 
4:08 PM
@TheRenamedException I would follow up on it just for the laughs. She'll be unexpectedly called to London soon, so could you please send the deposit by wire transfer so she can reserve it for you? She'll have somebody come round with the keys.
 
@Pekka haha, yes I intend to, I want to see how far I can string her along LOL
I will post updates here
Probably look for suggestions also :-)
 
@TheRenamedException yeah! For example, you could be called for an urgent business trip to London, too, and arrange to hand over the deposit in cash at Heathrow. The possibilities are endless!
 
Hahaha, that would be great
One of my clients' mother was the victim of such a scam recently so my appetite for vengeance is strong right now :-)
 
There is a british guy who has made a hobby out of scamming scammers
I can paste the link if you want to but be warned: There's several days' worth of highly funny reading on there
 
@Pekka yes, I sent the link to this client of mine. She had her facebook account hacked and someone asked all her friends for money; two weeks later some Nigerian put her mother's house up for rent unbeknowns to the mother
 
4:16 PM
@TheRenamedException Wow, that is rough
 
So she was amused by the site you speak of
 
I can imagine.
Revenge is sweet
Although it's a dangerous business: Several people who got ruined by a scam and then actually went to Nigeria or wherever the scammers were located, never came back
 
@Pekka yes. Fortunetly none of her friends sent any money, and the damage was not done to her mother, it was to the poor family who showed up at the mother's door ready to move in. Needless to say the mother was... shocked.
@Pekka Don't worry, I will not be traveling to Nigeria ;-)
 
@TheRenamedException That's really bad.
@TheRenamedException yeah :)
 
It's all fun and games until someone gets taken hostage, as my mother always used to say
 
4:18 PM
haha
 
Or was it "until someone loese an eye"? I can never remember .-)
 
That sounds more familiar :)
 
Morning.
 
Morning / late afternoon!
 
@TherenamedException I wouldn't travel to Africa now. You can end up in tue local "Tahrir Square" or worse.
 
4:25 PM
@Moshe Yes. No plans to travel more than in-state at present :-)
 
@Moshe I agree. I'd avoid the Middle East & North Africa for a while. I'm sorry to say it, but it's just not safe
 
4:48 PM
The whole world is pretty screwed up for travelers right now. Except France. France is always chill. As long as you don't wear a burqa.
 
@TimPost I fundamentally disagree with much of this
 
So do most of the commentors there and at Hacker News
 
> But who beyond a vanishingly small minority will care about your reputation on “Atheism”, “Board and Card Games,” or “English Language and Usage,” to pick three new StackExchange sites?
 
Slow news day I guess
 
English.SE is very new. Ideally, editors will flock to it as programmers flocked to StackOverflow
 
5:05 PM
[always-friday-in-iceland] has moved to Tech Crunch :)
 
At that point English.SE rep will begin to show up on resumes of writers and editors
 
Yeah, same here. Stack Overflow was not "important" in its early days either.
 
Silly, silly people
 
My SO activity helped me to get my latest job, as a matter of fact
 
Although the author probably has a point in that some sites with huge potential are never going to be created with the current audience, e.g. law. There are simply too few expert programmers who at the same time are expert lawpeople
 
5:13 PM
@Pekka - That will naturally solve itself over time. As sites like Cooking draw more people, we quickly move past just sites that 'programmers' propose.
The one thing that the article doesn't even come close to touching is how involved the community is with new site creation. People devote a lot of time to getting betas off the ground.
Then we have pro-tem mods like the ones on Programmers SE that took a potential train wreck and guided it into a very useful resource
 
@TimPost mm yeah, but I don't think that is necessarily going to lead to a core of expert lawpeople starting a law site. I could see SE partnering up with a site or organization in the field to get something like that off the ground.... But time will tell, and they are likely to be thinking about this stuff a lot
@TimPost true, that one took a 180° turn
 
@Pekka It isn't an exact science yet .. but it's not far from it
You just don't get that kind of time out of people trivially.
 
@TimPost yeah
 
Incidentally, two lawyers that work in my office have been debating proposing a law.se site
I'm sure they aren't the only two, the issue is, 'law' has so many specialties, much like medicine
 
Law is where I think the SE1.0 approach might have worked better.
Get a team of bright young lawpeople to work on building such a site full time
 
5:19 PM
Copyright-Patent-Trademark, Criminal, Worker's Comp .. oh it's just crazy. If one successfully launched, it would quickly fragment into several sites
 
Well, now that SE has investors and claims amazing self-sustaining revenue, they can HIRE some lawyers to work on THEIR site site full time.
 
@TimPost naah, that's what tags are for :)
 
Lawyers that deal with death row cases don't want to be bothered with ambulance chasers.
 
Lisp programmers don't want to be bothered with PHP noobs, they coexist ;)
 
@TimPost It works pretty well on SO IMO.
(What @Dan says)
@DanGrossman maybe they will, who knows!
Although hiring that kind of expertise is surely horribly expensive
 
5:22 PM
@Pekka what you mean to say is it works pretty well for programmers. Part of my job is HIPAA/HITECH compliance. The same lawyers who are brilliant in court also store stuff that should never be put on line in dropbox
 
It's not too bad: Pick a local college with a law school, and offer the students $1 a question to post their homework to the SE site. They will attempt to answer each others questions, often getting it wrong. This will lead to their professors answering the questions correctly, because nobody can handle someone else being wrong on the internet.
 
@DanGrossman I stopped reading at paying $1 per homework question ...
 
@TimPost I was referring to completely different people coexisting because they share the same profession. SO is full of entirely different people with massively varying backgrounds and pay grades, and still they manage to coexist
 
@TimPost What's the difference between paying law students per question and paying them per hour as employees? ;)
The public doesn't have to know.
 
@Pekka I know, but lawyers have a much different culture. You'd have to create a dozen sites.
@DanGrossman Mission accomplished :) Man that was easy.
 
5:25 PM
Obligatory.
 
Let us know how it goes :)
By the way folks, while my name does show up in blue the purpose of this room is casual fun, banter and conversation. The only thing I act on is profanity or creepy stalkers, so don't feel like you need to redact your posts (to me) just because they might seem heated.
 
> I am just trolling and waisting you time.. Sorry PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST - SORRY AGAIN
End of a support chat.
 
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Q: Naming the Tavern

Tyler ChachaI think Popular Demand put it best: It's a well-known fact that all the best taverns follow a specific naming convention. "The Brass Lantern," "The Prancing Pony," "The Drunken Clam," "The Mended Drum,"... they're all "The [Descriptor] [Noun]." Unfortunately, the tavern we're in isn't so bles...

 
5:47 PM
@Nyuszika7H That's how I became The .* Exception :-)
 
@TheRenamedException .*?
 
Why not "The Ten Smells" , a play on "The Ten Bells" ?
 
@Nyuszika7H After that question was asked I became known as "The Unhandled Exception"
Then I changed that to "The NeedsMoarJquery Exception" and now "The Renamed Exception" :-)
 

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6:15 PM
um, hi? heh.
 
6:53 PM
Why would someone like Quora? Because it's social? Because it's the new hotness? Because it's Silicon Valley? No!
> I briefly liked Quora (partly because its the first site I've seen that serves up minified HTML).
 
Hmmm. There appears to be a gap in the information the api returns vs what the Stacky library needs for further calls in the 1.1 version o:
 
:o
 
Hi again! :)
 
There's one thing I don't understand about 1.1
why does http://api.stackoverflow.com/1.0/usage document version 1.1 of the API?
 
Anybody who has 2k but not 10k somewhere: does the suggested edits review tab show up for you?
 
7:05 PM
Yes.
(;
 
@MichaelMrozek no
 
@RebeccaChernoff >.<
@badp Thanks
 
@MichaelMrozek what!
 
wow, SO has already 7k+ suggested edits
 
Is anyone else having an issue loading meta.stackoverflow.com/questions and question pages? Page content seems to show up for me, but my browser continues "loading" it indefinitely while "waiting for www.gravatar.com"
 
7:16 PM
including high quality stuff such as
 
I don't care about weak edits like that, it's ones like this that drive me crazy: stackoverflow.com/suggested-edits/7355
I don't get where people picked up the habit "I want to leave a comment -- better edit the other user's post". It's not like that on forums; where do people get that?
 
I guess it's the only way available to them
(Also: Wikipedia Talk pages)
 
I really hope people aren't applying Wikipedia Talk page principles to SO. And in that case it was the question asker doing the edit, so it wasn't
I just realized the comedy of users being able to edit posts before they can comment on them
I'm starting to wish they had "convert to comment" for suggested edits; I find myself manually posting comments on behalf of other users just like I used to do for answers
 
@RebeccaChernoff Lemme know when you have a second to look at the reorganized chat script. I think I'm getting the last of the kinks worked out of it, but I wanted to make sure you don't see anything terribly wrong about it before I pull it into the main repository.
 
@MichaelMrozek do you think it would be easier to moderate if everyone could comment without mod intervention? It seems to me like that would be a whole new can of worms...
 
7:26 PM
@JasonPlank The problem is people can't comment right away, and they can't even know that they can't comment, because the UI hides the "add comment" link, so instead they edit their post, or suggest an edit on somebody else's post. They're failing because they don't know any better, and it's been happening for ages
 
Hm, I always thought there was at least something to notify that they can't comment yet.
 
Even if there were it wouldn't stop them; they click random buttons until they find a text field, and then type what they wanted to say in it
 
Isn't editing one's own post the preferred way until you reach 15 rep?
Provided it's a clarification to their question/answer
 
If you're clarifying, then go for it, but there are uses for comments. And askers can comment on answers to their own question anyway; it's other people that are stuck with no options
If you're new and you see an answer and it's wrong, you can't downvote it, you can't comment on it, and you can't comment on the question. You can suggest an edit that adds "BTW this is wrong", or you can post your own answer that says "I don't know the answer, but answer X is wrong". Both of those are the wrong thing to do, but since they're the only options, that's exactly what happens
 
Yeah, I just remembered that
You can comment on your own answer at any level, right?
@MichaelMrozek If so, it seems like there would be a pretty narrow set of use cases for unprivileged users needing to make comments, although in practice (judging by what you've been saying) it doesn't seem very narrow.
 
7:47 PM
how about having a 'post followup question' button if you don't have 15 reps?
If you need clarifications you might as well do it in the form of a new Q
 
@badp Depends on how that's handled. I mean, seems like that would get a lot of use, but then would it be any different than comments?
 
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Nyuszika7H// If you use selectors multiple times, always cache them into variables, else jQuery has to search for them multiple times. var $cont = $('.cont'), $expandAll = $('#expandAll'), $trigger = $('.trigger'); function expandAll() { $cont.removeClass('hid'); $trigger.html('-');...

 
Or if you meant bona-fide new questions to clarify other questions, well... that could get really meta-heavy very quickly, whereas it could have been taken care of with two comments and no additional clutter.
 
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