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3:00 AM
@MichaelPetrotta What are you suggesting?
 
@GEOCHET: I'm asking.
 
Sock puppet mods!
 
@Geochet he stings harder in email. I just got zinged by him. Oh well.
 
@GeorgeStocker Of course. You inadvertently hit him where it hurts.
 
@Geochet Didn't mean to; but it's something I've been thinking about and the EE people bringing it up today just made me realize that I'm not the only one to think about it.
 
3:02 AM
@GeorgeStocker I realize this. It is a pretty sane question IMO, and you being a long time respected member of the community should have given you the benefit of the doubt in intentions.
 
Everyone comes across harsher in text. Myself doubly so.
 
@GeorgeStocker You are preaching to the choir.
 
@GEOCHET Actually I think the remark was made because George is a long time avid user. "I'm sure nothing of this is news to you, but I'll enumerate it anyway"
 
Does participating in a choir make one more holy than others?
 
Chime in the fallacious implication that it's okay to be rude to avid users in 3, 2, 1...
 
3:08 AM
@DanGrossman Litte known fact: God is actually just a series of choirs.
@badp That is much worse for someone who developed a site that is supposed to be a repository.
 
@badp I guess what confused me was that even though I'd previously written on the subject ( meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/133/… ), he acted like I had no idea about it. To distill the question down to its bare essentials: How the heck can 50% revenue from Jobs, Ad revenue, and Careers make enough money to make a company long-term profitable?
 
@drachenstern Sorry, I was getting food myself
 
@GEOCHET Reminds me of the Ah! My Goddess movie. Heaven is a computer program written by God, and angels can activate powerful world-altering programs by singing.
 
@GeorgeStocker ...so you should've asked on OnStartups
 
@GEOCHET your conversation above was an interesting read... well said on your part.
 
3:09 AM
@DanGrossman I am glad I have never set eyes on that garbage.
@TheRenamedException Nope.
 
@badp You know, that would have been a great idea.
I wish I had thought of it.
 
@GeorgeStocker Regardless, how about he either answers it or doesn't? Isn't the basis of the SO theory that no question is too trivial because we are supposed to be a repository?
 
@GEOCHET I never expected a 'these are the numbers' sort of answer from him. I was hoping that someone familiar with the industry would clue me in as to something I'm missing because conceptually it doesn't seem like it could be sustainable. I'm also really ignorant on the subject (which is part of the reason why I asked).
 
@GeorgeStocker Again, that doesn't matter.
 
Dunno, ads is the whole business model of Pandora
 
3:13 AM
Just answer it or let people speculate.
 
I'd wager Pandora incurs on much higher expenses -- expenses actually proportional to use, yet somehow sometime they manage to make a profit.
 
Supposing you were calling him out on being an idiot as a businessman and for failing...
 
Not really. They usually operate on negative margins, just recently turned it around, but they'll swing back into negative once their royalty fees go up again next year, and the year after, and the year after.
 
I don't think SOIS has a lot of incremental costs on serving the next webpage.
 
If this was not the case, wouldn't the proper response be "Haha, think what you want, I need to go swim in my vault of gold coins"?
 
3:14 AM
@DanGrossman Yeah, it's a very fragile model. Speaks length about how difficult it is to give people what they want.
 
Jin
@badp 50% of Pandora's revenue pays in copyright fees
 
Not to get all defensive and act aggressively towards respected members of the community?
 
@GEOCHET well you may disagree, but, your rational explanation of the edit wars does make a good case against you being a simple troll. I understand having strong opinions. I have more respect for you because of your well worded statements.
 
Dear "big content." You have the customers. You have the content. Your costumers want your content. What do you do then? You give them a middle finger. What is your business model?
 
@GEOCHET @GEOCHET I never intended to call him out; just curious.
 
3:15 AM
I bet SOIS could be run by 3 guys in a garage if they really wanted to, at current traffic, keeping the volunteer moderators.
 
@TheRenamedException FOOL!
 
@GEOCHET Take it or leave it, what I said stands.
 
Jin
@DanGrossman yes. SO can be built over a weekend.
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@GeorgeStocker I am aware. Nowhere did I accuse you of anything else.
 
@DanGrossman My office inside the house is nicer than my garage. (:
 
3:16 AM
@TheRenamedException Try reading through it all. Your life will change.
 
@Jin I don't mean building it, I mean I think 3 guys could maintain the servers and work the business
 
@GEOCHET I doubt that :-)
 
Before they accepted VC, I thought I was clued in, but after the VC; my complete understanding turned upside down. It goes from being an organic business to having pressures to make numbers so that the board of directors stays happy.
 
@DanGrossman Tell that to @Zypher and @KyleBrandt :-)
 
@DanGrossman But would they be able to adequately insult their clientele?
 
3:17 AM
@Jin I need to find the blog post someone posted about that.
 
plentyoffish.com :)
 
@mootinator he still sends passwords in Plain Text. I'd hoped Jeff would do a blog post calling him out so he'd change that.
 
Just seeing that site mentioned angers me.
 
Jin
@badp btw, i found your avatar cousin
 
@GeorgeStocker Hah.
 
3:18 AM
Not that I frequent the site, but after he mentioned it so many times I needed to see what it was all about.
 
I looked at it once, and my eyes melted.
And yet, somehow, it works.
 
It's not very user friendly. But you can't complain with the results.
 
@Jin A navi ninja?
 
Jin
@ptsi, New York
813 tweets, 176 followers, following 280 users
a minimalist ninja
and his eyes are more relaxed, as opposed to wired up as yours..
 
3:20 AM
POF e-mails me all the time that someone wants to meet me. The e-mail contains my plain text password. I log in and have no new messages. It's a bad site, run by a psycopathic liar.
 
 
Uservoice used to have some pretty serious issues as well
 
can't get more minimalist than this
 
Just recently fixed them. Cracked me up when I got the email
 
I never liked the 400px wide nature of Uservoice.
 
Jin
3:21 AM
@badp is it just me... or the eye on the left is giving me the eye-finger?
 
At least, it felt like it was 400px wide.
 
@Jin , all defects underline the handcraft nature of the good.
(also there's no eye. All that there is there is 10101. Not really. There's a circle around the 10101 too.)
 
status-bydesign
 
Jin
is it sad that i still don't know the syntax for tags in chat?
 
3:23 AM
status-yes
 
[meta-tag:foo] [tag:bar]
 
@Jin depends on your definition of sad :-)
 
Jin
i want my Apple tag here!
 
@Jin But everything is so damn intuitive here!
 
3:23 AM
oy
 
Jin
@GEOCHET everything is. i'm just dumb
 
@RebeccaChernoff: [status-ironic]
dammit
 
status-you-mean-status-oy
 
shush ):
haha
 
How are secret characters and formatting intuitive?
Do I really want to know?
 
3:24 AM
status-this-is-an-easter-egg
 
It's intuitive like IRC.
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They're intuitive as in you don't need to know about them.
 
it shouldn't be obvious!
 
@DanGrossman HAHA well said
 
hey hey don't start with irc (;
 
Jin
3:25 AM
[tag:status-☃]
 
@RebeccaChernoff I wasn't bashing IRC. Your own userscript uses slashcommands :-)
 
@Jin Unlike the status easter egg, [tag:foo] checks for all the constraints for tags
 
Jin
hm it doesn't like my snowman
 
so it'll only format up to 25 lowercase letters and dashes
 
@TheRenamedException This is true!
 
3:26 AM
[intuitive-by-accident]
 
I'm going to play some Just Cause 2 and try to unwind.
 
status-intuitive-by-accident
 
Just Cause 2 is on sale for $7.50 today on Steam
 
Jin
JC2 is a great game.
 
@GeorgeStocker Good luck.
Never take anything on the internet personally.
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3:27 AM
I have the PS3 version; my PC hasn't been upgraded for gaming since 2008. That's this year's Christmas present to myself.
 
Jin
@GeorgeStocker what's that you're getting a Mac?
 
@GEOCHET haha, good advice
 
@Jin He said he wants to play games, not just look at them online while wishing he didn't spend so much for so little.
 
@GEOCHET That was true when the internet was still disconnected from real life; but now the Internet and my Real life are interconnected. The stuff that happens on here affects me personally and professionally.
 
@GeorgeStocker So?
@GeorgeStocker I could easily make a case for not taking anything in real life too personally either.
 
I am in favor of legal name changes on a yearly basis.
 
I don't spend a lot of time thinking about why stupid people don't agree with me. It seems like a forgone conclusion to start with.
 
@GEOCHET: your ego is a thing to admire.
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@TheRenamedException Have a star.
 
@GEOCHET It's different when it comes from someone you respect and admire.
Dear God, stop flagging posts that aren't spam.
 
3:31 AM
@GeorgeStocker Well there's your problem right there.
 
@mootinator Why thank you, I have been collecting those today :-)
 
It sucks when people you respect and admire turn out to be real humans with imperfections. This is why the internet should be banned.
 
Does anyone else remember when BluRay first came out? There was a demo at Best buy that showed A Knight's Tale and kept sweeping across the screen with DVD on the left and bluray on the right?
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@mootinator well said. I was trying to think of a good response but was unable to
 
Anyway, without that going on; I couldn't tell if my bluray copy of Princess Bride was any better than the original.
 
3:35 AM
@mootinator I would say it sucks even more when you find out that the people you respect and admire are not people that are deserving of either.
 
really I go away and there are 3 more flags ... sigh
 
@GeorgeStocker Are you trying to explain that you have poor judgment?
 
@Jin As much as I like Apple, they've never been and never will be a gaming friendly company.
 
Damn, I step out for one minute and when I come back in every damn thing has a star
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@RebeccaChernoff is going to throw a conniption fit
 
Somebody set us up the bomb.
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3:41 AM
also, oy
 
Jin
@GeorgeStocker that i agree. i only play console these days.
 
Jin != star
 
I wish I had the money to play JC2 on the PC fully souped up; it looks amazing from what I've seen.
 
Jin
@mootinator ?
 
IT RHYMES WITH OY
 
3:48 AM
oy != star
 
someone pin that
or flag it
 
@DanGrossman look right
and OBEY!
 
@DanGrossman Flag Reason: Contradicts a fundamental law of the universe.
 
@Zypher Tyler is going to be so pissed off!. I LOVE IT :-)
I can just hear him now. "Hello"
er. "WHY IS EVERYTHING PINNED???"
 
Heh. (:
 
3:52 AM
@RebeccaChernoff I see you approve (:
 
well it does seem we need a constant reminder of what ISN'T a star
 
Jan 22 at 1:25, by Tyler Chacha
Why do we have so much stuff pinned?
 
Jin
Pluto is a star, finally.
 
I take over military bases just so i can steal their choppers.
 
user image
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3:54 AM
@badp that's so bad, LOL
 
that didn't work, clearly.
 
Jin
@badp ^ for your new avatar
it's called "sleepy ninja"
 
That's not the kind of identity I was thinking about
looks better than fadp at any rate.
 
Jin
what's fadp?
 
@badp DOOOOO IIIIT!
 
4:01 AM
YOU ARE COMMANDED TO BE AMUSED BY ALL MEMES
 
@TheRenamedException looks like crap at 16×16
 
@badp Damn, good point
 
besides this would go better with my new diamond:
 
I wish Gravatar would let you specify alternates for smaller sizes
 
Or I could go "madp"
 
Jin
4:02 AM
@badp oh grats on the mod.
 
  DEV++

I HAS IT
 
@TheRenamedException That would be hella confusing.
 
Jin
@badp "modp"
 
@badp yes I approve of this
@RebeccaChernoff good point, it could lead to abuse
 
Yeah, it's just simpler to make it look good at 16×16 and scale up.
 
4:03 AM
Can I get any support for animated ASCII in the chat?
 
I was thinking like alternate crops or retouched versions, but, there's no way it could validate
@MichaelPetrotta it already is!!!
Dec 17 '10 at 17:32, by The Unhandled Exception
 \O
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@Jin Thanks.
@MichaelPetrotta You can DIY. The effect lasts for up to 2 mins.
 
I'm not seeing it, @The.
 
don't make me do it again...
 
Jin
btw why isn't ANSI supported in browsers?
 
4:05 AM
I CAN HAS IT: DEV++
 
@TheRenamedException I DEMAND YOU DO
 
That's twice today I've asked for something that's already supported here. I feel lucky.
 
@RebeccaChernoff Okay. Because you enjoyed it so much last time :-)
 
Liked my animation?
 
@badp: very nice.
 
4:08 AM
The Dancing Exception.
 
@The: you need to up your game.
 
Jin
╠══╬══╣
 
@MichaelPetrotta I forgot the fixed formatting! BAH!
 
That was highly disappointing ): q:
 
I smell a competition. For some reason, it reminds me of breakdancing.
 
4:09 AM
  \O
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  / \
 
▁▂▃▄▅▆▇█▉▊▋▌▍▎▏
 
@The: better. @badp: very abstract.
 
@RebeccaChernoff and @MichaelMrozek, it's much more difficult from my linux laptop :-(
 
Jin
@badp is that an alligator puking sonic booms?
 
Lacks clipboard history manager
 
4:12 AM
@TheRenamedException That sounds like an excuse.
 
@jin: I don't lol. But: lol
 
Which reminds me... to Unix.SE!
 
@Jin It's the Unicode version of a Rorschach test. We've dispatched a psychiatric ambulance to your position.
dials 0118 999 881 999 119 7253
 
Jin
@badp oh no! i mean.. it looked like cake with flowers, eaten by a happy boy. (p.s. the boy is cursed though)
 
@RebeccaChernoff Yeah, it kinda was, LOL
 
4:20 AM
I admit I don't get the "Made in Britain" bit.
 
lol if you browse the network using a mac and it detects a windows PC on the network it shows them with the BSOD screen
 
Welp, that didn't take long.
 
@Reno yeah, I love that
@mmyers No, not long at all!
I'm actually surprised
 
In file included from /usr/include/sys/select.h:46,
                 from /usr/include/sys/types.h:220,
                 from clusters.h:9,
                 from clusters.c:9:
/usr/include/bits/time.h:76: error: redefinition of ‘struct timeval’
fml
 
@badp I think it's time for bed for me; I read this as struct timetravel
 
4:30 AM
@TheRenamedException It's 0530 here :P
 
I simply cant login to the programmers.se chat
any advice
the help page says cookies error
but I haver restarted the browser
 
@badp LOL. It's 23:30 here :-)
 
clean all the cookies, including flash
 
@badp yes sir you are a genius
 
4:33 AM
If I were I would've figured out why the simplest of make files fails
 
@badp whish I could up-vote or something! :)
@badp that was to me?
 
@Trufa Nope.
 
@badp hehe sorry and thanks again!
 
Jin
 
@badp where you at that se gaming night this saturday?
 
4:37 AM
@Zypher I was last saturday
Dunno if I'll be on this one
 
you know about how many people showed up?
 
thank ya
 
Jan 8 at 1:10, by Jeff Atwood
I spent christmas with Evan Carroll and Rich B.. sitting around the fire drinking delicious hot cocoa and reminiscing about the good times.. sigh.. the good times
 
@JeffAtwood ROFLMAO
 
4:40 AM
@badp My kill/death ratio makes me sad. :(
 
@TimStone I agree I could've found a better round to take the screenshot of
 
silly gamers q:
 
@RebeccaChernoff hush you
 
@badp Nah, I was pretty sucky in that regard for a majority of the matches, though kill-wise alone I did come second one game I think.
@Zypher Indeed, she's just crazy.
 
@RebeccaChernoff you mean what @badp and @Zypher are talking about or the way RichB/GEOwhatever was acting in here all day?
 
4:42 AM
@Zypher I'm not really a fan of that option to be honest.
 
sigh i didn't think so
:-D
alright gonna try to make this weekends ... goes to install HL2:DM
 
@Zypher Clearly we need to brainwa...I mean conve...I mean convince her to see the light?
 
yes, need to try and find a nice gentle game to ease her in with ... some battlefield maybe
 
does anybody think this link programmers.stackexchange.com/users/chat-stackexchange-login should be on the following page?
 
4:45 AM
@Trufa I think it does offer that option to you if your browser doesn't support local storage
 
I had no idea about the existence and spent some time trying to figure out what is wrong (whithout any succes)
 
All I know is the ghetto login works when all else fails
 
@badp but my browser supports it (chrome, latest version)
and I can connecto to every chat but programmers
 
@Trufa hence there's something else wrong, the ghetto login was just a workaround.
 
Jin
@TimStone glad you took that TW, otherwise I had a 130pt word ready to go...
 
4:48 AM
Oh god. :P
I don't think I can recover this game, heheh.
 
 
@trufa try this programmers.stackexchange.com/network-login-help
 
@Reno ROFLOL, it's the infamous bathrobe picture
 
If you still have problems, you might also want to try:

Clearing your browser cookies for this domain.
Using a different web browser.
Temporarily disabling all browser extensions, as some buggy browser extensions have been known to interfere.
 
yet another useful and hidden URL!
 
4:49 AM
@JeffAtwood I was trying to remember that earlier but could not
 
@TheRenamedException that was reply to @Jin ;)
 
oh sweet just cause 2 75% off on steam
 
@Zypher yeah...good luck with that. You'll need it.
 
@JeffAtwood the cookies are failing, to be fair I did no turn off the browser extensions I think some of @RebeccaChernoff extensions might be the ones to blame :P
 
o: huh?
 
4:51 AM
@RebeccaChernoff You watch (sports) games, no reason you shouldn't play real ones. ;)
 
@Trufa the SE userscripts I've helped with aren't gonna do anything to mess with your logging in, but feel free to disable them shrugs
 
@Trufa BLASPHEMY! :-)
@Trufa In seriousness I have them on in chrome and
status-norepro
 
@RebeccaChernoff ohh I just wanted to accuse somebody other than me :)
 
> It's Nick Craver's fault
You're off the hook @Rebecca
 
Ah. In that case, you may as well look elsewhere. Blame has a habit of bouncing off of me and landing on someone else. ^__^
 
4:55 AM
@RebeccaChernoff Because you're already saturated with blame? :o
 
@RebeccaChernoff hehe in my case popular demand's fault!!
 
runs
 
damn him!
 
@TimStone have you unplugged your appliances?
 
4:56 AM
Where do you think I'm running to?
 
just checking :-)
 
Some day I will write an "In memoriam" to all those question you though will be great one and simply sucked.
 
Well I am tired from a long day, I'm off for the night. I'll catch you guys later!
 
G'night
 
@TheRenamedException knight!
 
4:58 AM
I'm out too
 
I need someone to list a script on stackapps
 
Why so?
I could list my latest one
 
wait 3 minutes
 

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