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2:30 AM
@badp Ever heard of the home keys (the bumpy keys atop the F and J keys in qwerty)? You put and keep your index finger on those keys when at rest.
That is the correct way to touchtype.
 
@ChrisJesterYoung I never claimed I touchtyped correctly.
 
@badp That's fine and well, but you handicap your typing by failing to do so. :-)
I would feel very lost if those keys ceased to be bumpy.
 
Sometimes I do find myself typing all letters because I placed my right hand incorrectly
although I usually position it relative to backspace and enter.
Really, now that I pay attention to it, it's kinda amazing how much work I do with my right pinky, whereas my right thumb basically never touches a key.
 
I highly recommend you start learning to use the home keys. They will really help you with typing, especially when you move to another keyboard (e.g., from straight-line keyboards to/from a natural keyboard).
I can type with high speeds on both types of keyboards, naturally.
 
It's all about the payback time :)
 
2:35 AM
Before I learnt to use the home keys, I always got caned when I used a natural keyboard. :-P
 
actually I never had one
 
But, you know, I really <3<3<3 the MS natural keyboard these days. (I've used it for many years now.)
Well, getting one will absolutely make you learn to type properly. I promise. :-D
 
3:00 AM
@ChrisJesterYoung, you should pester @MichaelMrozek about learning Dvorak. (: He just started learning. Or at least I think he did. Unless he already quit. ):
 
@RebeccaChernoff It was just a ruse to throw you off his case.
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Q: how to deploy log4j only use notepad .

zjm1126i am a java beginner , and i want to use log4j , but i hate eclipse , i use programme's notepad to write python and javascript , so how to use log4j only use programme's notepad what can i do , thanks

raises brow
 
You want to use Java, an extremely IDE-optimized language, and you don't want to use an IDE.
 
I'm confused where log4j comes into play.
 
Would you like some MUMPS with that, given that you're that much in masochism?
 
@RebeccaChernoff Hehehe, I will when he next appears. :-)
 
3:13 AM
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A: Backslash escaping in code regions in comments

Jeff AtwoodAll backslash escaping is disabled in code regions with the exception of \` This will always be considered an escape of the backtick itself, for now, even within a code block.

 
4:12 AM
Look who's joined us again:
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Q: I accidently unbanned myself because of a security hole in the Stack Exchange platform, but I'm not a hacker.

Evan CarrollI wasn't explicitly trying to bypass my wrongful ban, but I think I did. I don't want people to think I'm here because of malice, threats against Jeff Atwood, or other illicit means; I'm here today to make my first order of business disclosure. Again, while I believe the decision that rendered m...

 
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Q: How can I retain modal views across rotations?

MosheI'm using willRotateToInterfaceOrientation to swap views when my iPad rotates. If I have a modal view or an alert view open when my device rotates and swaps views, the view swaps and the alert disappears and does not reappear, even if the alert is "presented" again later. What can I do to fix ...

I've stumped a 37K-er with iOS expertise. Go upvote me.
 
@waiwai933 lol
"I can't possibly have been unbanned!"
 
Oh, I edited it and then realized Jeff had already erased it. Well fail
 
wtf is the tag for?
 
I was wondering that earlier..
 
4:22 AM
unless it's about meta-meta...
 
@badp Meta-meta discussion? How we should file bugs on meta? I dunno.
 
Seems like a synonym of
 
Well, 3 out of 9 questions are meta-meta, such as @MichaelMrozek's
 
It appears to be meta-meta for a few of the questions...but the others, not so much.
 
Edited it out of one question
The others will have to wait
I wish there was a way to batch schedule edits
"do this in x minutes so that I don't trash the homepage entirely"
 
4:25 AM
status-burninated
 
@ChrisJesterYoung Apparently he got suspended for another 6 months. Nice of Jeff to not just make it forever
 
@Moshe ...
 
@MichaelMrozek Hahaha.
 
Dammit Jin :P
 
Somehow I don't think I'll get away with this
"but his answer has a +24 score! on Stack Overflow!"
 
4:29 AM
"He chose that username. I'm totally for serial. How could you not trust someone like that?"
 
@badp Do you have the chutzpah to do it anyway? That's the real question. :-P
 
@ChrisJesterYoung I could instead cite a generic book about the topic, true, but would that be honest?
 
@badp I'm all about the chutzpah.
 
If you want a reliable citation about my chutzpah, have one:
 
Is it just me, or is Answers.OnStartups broken?
 
4:32 AM
in Let's get philosophical, 1 hour ago, by ALL CAPS
YOU ARE NOT THE WAY OF GOATS
@waiwai933 I can never load it at the first try. "Portal not found", right?
 
@badp Yeah. I guess someone should let the Team know. @RebeccaChernoff, since you're the only SOIS employee I see in here.
Wait, does chat only do one @mention as well?
 
no
She and @balpha tried to help me troubleshoot this several times, in all cases I could access the site after a few minutes.
 
Gah, seeing that again?
 
Yup, I can repro btw
 
In general, what I'd want to know is if you ping, what ip do you get?
 
4:35 AM
74.205.116.34
 
No repro on my end, go figure.
 
@Rebecca I wasn't serious. Puleez.
 
Yeah, that isn't SO's ip. Try flushing your dns.
 
Why is SO down, btw?
 
$dig answers.onstartups.com

; <<>> DiG 9.7.1-P2 <<>> answers.onstartups.com
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 816
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;answers.onstartups.com.                IN      A

;; ANSWER SECTION:
answers.onstartups.com. 3572    IN      A       74.205.116.34

;; Query time: 83 msec
;; SERVER: 208.67.222.222#53(208.67.222.222)
;; WHEN: Mon Feb 14 05:35:47 2011
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 56
 
4:36 AM
@Moshe Also no repro. :P
 
Are you using your isp's dns servers or something like google?
 
← OpenDNS.
 
@TimStone strange. Me neither. It was though. Honest.
 
$ dig answers.onstartups.com

; <<>> DiG 9.7.1-P2 <<>> answers.onstartups.com
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 24054
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;answers.onstartups.com.                IN      A

;; ANSWER SECTION:
answers.onstartups.com. 3600    IN      CNAME   onstartups.stackexchange.com.
onstartups.stackexchange.com. 21600 IN  A       64.34.119.12

;; Query time: 209 msec
I guess that now it'll load for me
 
What'd ya do? (:
 
4:39 AM
Absolutely nothing.
 
I flushed OpenDNS's cache—opendns.com/cache
 
@RebeccaChernoff Yes, except this happened the previous times as well.
 
The best kinds of fixes are magical ones.
 
In a few days I'll try again and get portal not found
 
4:40 AM
@waiwai933, you use OpenDNS as well?
 
@RebeccaChernoff Yep.
 
iiiiiiiiiiinteresting
I passed word along.
 
Night
 
Gnight
 
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Q: Intermittent "portal not found" errors when attempting to visit this Q&A

badpFor the third time in a row for a few days, I get "Portal not found" instead of the Q&A site when I try and visit answers.onstartups; here's what dig says: $ dig answers.onstartups.com ; <<>> DiG 9.7.1-P2 <<>> answers.onstartups.com ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got ans...

Now I have 30 SE accounts. Yeeey.
 
4:46 AM
Pretty sure that's a dupe.
 
moar bronze badges!
 
I have 10. :P
 
@RebeccaChernoff It is. Deleted.
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Q: Anyone else seeing periodic DNS issues for answers.onstartups.com ?

Jesper MortensenDear all, I have a few times been unable to connect to our beloved answers.onstartups.com. Right now, as I'm writing this, I have this problem. (Meta works for me, as you can see.) This time, I traced the problem down, and I cannot connect because the DNS name does not resolve. I'm using both G...

However this is marked fixed. Undeleted.
Oh, and happy valentine to whomever it may concern.
 
Meh.
 
4:59 AM
If it's relevant I think I saw portal not found on SO before, right before the "down for maintenance" which nobody could repro.
 
5:43 AM
Alright. It's 0643. Nite. Er, day, Er, whatever. You got the point.
 
G'night/morning/day/thingadongdong
 
That's acceptable.
Merry thingadongdong!
 
 
1 hour later…
7:02 AM
@badp Oh, you're running in the Gaming election. Nice (I'm a bit slow)
 
 
1 hour later…
8:25 AM
@badp Link Overflow in your nomination post!
btw, you can still claim that t-shirt
just sayin...
OMGWTF (look at the source of revision 1) http://stackoverflow.com/posts/4988936/revisions #stackoverflow
that's awesome
 
And SO strips it out? prepares to file a report
 
Every minute that my source code doesn't blink offensively at all who look at it is a minute too long!
 
Hey, sensient life forms in The Tavern on (for me) Monday morning!
 
T-Shirt just arrived \o/
A little small, should've asked for L, but it definitely fits
 
8:44 AM
@YiJiang, photo or it didn't happen ;)
 
Horrible quality image courtesy of my phone camera
 
Hm.. half convinced :)
@YiJiang I thought a US small was an XL for any other continent anyway :)
 
@Benjol It is indeed, I usually get XL or XXL here
This is... odd
 
@YiJiang, where?
 
@Benjol MSO homepage
 
8:54 AM
Did he just come back to life?
Doesn't look like it. very weird
 
@Benjol No, suspension ends in August.
@balpha ^ bug?
 
He was unsuspended for a little while; Jeff resuspended him today
 
But why the badges?
 
@MichaelMrozek, and what did he do to get re-suspended? there's nothing on the activity tab
 
Maybe you can't earn badges while you're suspended? Not sure
@Benjol Nothing, he was supposed to stay suspended until August; I think he was temporarily unsuspended because of an account merge, but Jeff fixed it
 
8:57 AM
ok, I understand
 
@MichaelMrozek that's correct
 
RichB got a load of badges, not in chronological order too...
 
9:21 AM
I got a feeling that evan just wants to become a meme of some sort
 
@Reno You mean he isn't already? I mean RichB is he who must not be named, but I thought Evan was a worse troll on Meta
 
@YiJiang he is almost there but right now i'd put him in the attention whore category.
trolling is a art, he is an obvious troll :)
 
9:48 AM
Its funny how in almost every presentation that i go to i find an Evan Carroll. You know .. asking BS questions to the host of the pres. just to hog as much attention as possible =|
 
10:09 AM
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Q: How can I protect my PHP code?

Or WI have developed an application and now I would like to hire some programmers to work on several pieces of it to upgrade and tweak it. I have read other questions/answers here but they are mainly about obfuscating the code which is something I do not want to do (as I need them to read it and twe...

> protected by Gordon 11 mins ago
Ahem...
 
@YiJiang I think he must be playing with his newly discovered protect powers :)
'protected to prevent more questions'?! :)
 
> Protected question to prevent more "obfuscation" suggestions. – Gordon 12 mins ago
Well that's not really what protection does, isn't it?
 
That'll be Gordon-nominee-with-no-meta-account :)
Looks like having a meta account might actually be useful for something after all...
 
It's also a bug - you shouldn't be able to protect new questions like this
@balpha Comments?
 
looking
 
10:15 AM
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Q: What's the point of placing self links on a webpage?

CalmariusI often see links on webpages that link to the page itself. For example on forums, blogs and even here the topic title is a link and points to the page itself. What's the point of doing this?

Someone mind giving this question the last close vote to kick it over the PWM?
 
gone
 
@YiJiang Unprotected. I don't think this is a technical problem, though, but an educational one.
 
@balpha I thought waffles mentioned that you won't be able to protect questions before they reach a certain age?
 
Oh, is that so? Okay, will check
and why did he protect this? :\
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Q: PHP5 webpage scan (simple DOM parser || file_get_contents()+regexp)... resources wise

MicheleI was thinking about a script that would scan 10+ websites for specific content inside a specific div. Let's say it would be moderately used, some 400 searches a day. Which of the two in the title would support better the load, take less resources and give better speeds: Creating the DOM from e...

 
@balpha Not sure, maybe it's because he doesn't understand what protect does?
 
10:21 AM
@balpha, who's gonna do the educating?
@YiJiang, completely
 
@YiJiang you're right, there's a bug in there
fixing
 
i think because its valentines and that is a girl asking the question o_o
 
Shall I @ Gordon, or someone with higher rep (or a diamond :) want to do it?
 
ok
 
10:58 AM
@Benjol looks like the educating worked well in this case :)
it's like with all new features: people have to get used to them and learn how to use them correctly
 
@balpha, good stuff. meta rules :)
 
Jin
who's good with css here?
oh @balpha's here
 
@Jin waves hand me! me!
 
@Jin, if you're asking the question, definitely not me :)
 
Jin
@YiJiang why can't I do width and text-indent:-999em on :first-letter?
h4:first-letter in this case is float:left
 
11:08 AM
You want to hide the first letter?
 
Jin
yes and replace it with a background-image
i found a work around of hiding, i just use color: transparent
text-indent:-999em had no effect
but, i'm getting different results in FF and webkit..
 
Drop letter, huh. Well, I'm not sure... it isn't a real element, so some properties may not affect it
Need to check the specs here I think
 
Jin
i read that you can't set a width on :first-letter... i wonder why.. i have it display:block too
 
> These are the properties that apply to :first-letter pseudo-elements: font properties, 'text-decoration', 'text-transform', 'letter-spacing', 'word-spacing' (when appropriate), 'line-height', 'float', 'vertical-align' (only if 'float' is 'none'), margin properties, padding properties, border properties, color property, background properties. UAs may apply other properties as well.
 
Jin
so since i can't do width, what i did was giving it a fixed pixel padding, but as you can see above, the appearance is different in 2 browsers
 
11:12 AM
Maybe a better idea is to use @font-face to embed a font and use it with :first-letter
The source of that quote, by the way: w3.org/TR/CSS2/selector.html#first-letter
 
Jin
hmm but that's not an embellished font though.
 
You can try to create a font like that, erhm... right? (Not sure how or what tools to use though)
 
Jin
It's Mrs. Eaves with some custom illustrations in the background.
@YiJiang that's a workaround, but i'm not gonna :) it's the only occurrence on the entire site. not worth the trouble.
 
@Jin Ah, okay
 
Jin
it's ok.. i may just make the W a part of the div bg instead.
 
11:15 AM
@Jin What I was thinking too, though that would require precise positioning of the text
 
Jin
@YiJiang yeah. but the text in newuser doesn't change so it may be OK.
not an ideal solution..
 
11:29 AM
@Jin setting width and height works in my chrome when you explicitly float:left the :first-letter
also, to hide the actual letter, you can just color: transparent;
 
Jin
@balpha yeah i did use color: transparent. hmm width seems to have no effect..
 
Jin
@balpha nm it works now. weird. i swear i tried it earlier it had no effect.
 
.newuser h4:first-letter {
    background-image: url(sstatic.net/pm/img/logo.png);
    color: transparent;
    float: left;
    border: 1px solid blue;
    width: 50px;
    height: 50px;
}
 
Jin
@balpha how does it look in IE8? :)
 
11:35 AM
wrong :\
 
Jin
IE9 RC?
 
haven't installed it yet. but according to MSDN, IE doesn't apply width and height to first-letter
and technically, it doesn't have to
the spec says "UAs may apply other properties as well"
also, color:transparent doesn't work either
 
Jin
err
 
ha, this looks consistent in chrome, ff, and ie:
.newuser h4:first-letter {
    background-image: url(sstatic.net/pm/img/logo.png);
    float: left;
    border: 1px solid blue;
    padding: 30px;
    font-size: 0;
}
..and opera
... and safari
 
Jin
because you added a border?
 
11:46 AM
no, the border was just for checking
 
Jin
oh font size 0 and pixel padding
 
yeah
 
@balpha You can use outline for checking the positioning of stuff - it doesn't affect the layout of the element, so it's safer to use then border
 
now that is... hold on... bordering on genius
2
gets coat
 
@balpha groans
 
Jin
11:59 AM
@YiJiang you win a strip of bacon
 
12:09 PM
@Jin I just remembered, you can use this method to embed a single @font-face character into the CSS file, could be what you want here
 
@LoĂŻcWolff Indeed :)
 
12:24 PM
@LoïcWolff is 209$ per night for stay ok ? seems expensive or maybe im poor =[
 
Oh, you can move pretty much everything on the page. And to think there's someone that gets paid at google to do that.
@Reno well, I don't really know the price for other conferences. But I heard they're really expensive too.
 
Jin
man, poor girl had a stroke
 
@YiJiang Is it just me, or is that page design just a tad too clever?
 
Jin
nothing beats this page: ljohn.net
 
Hows valentines day going for you guys ( ... and a girl) ?
 
12:37 PM
@Reno, anyone who had a decent answer to that question wouldn't be in here :)
 
or on this website =[
wrong timing @MarcGravell
 
why so?
 
naah im just kidding ;;;
 
@LoĂŻcWolff and the hearts bump against those!
 
@badp Nice catch! :)
 
@YiJiang @YiJiang, er, I guess it's ... a start
 
@YiJiang it was rejected right? right? er...
 
@badp Accepted, by ChrisF of all people
(The two parts of the tag wiki can be approved separately, so no excuses here)
 
@Reno not bad... single and woke up with a girl in my bed. :)
 
1:31 PM
Morning!
Who doesn't love sushi? http://iTunes.com/apps/Nippon
 
@Moshe I don't have iTunes, so Apple doesn't think I should even be aware of your app.
 
@DanGrossman I built something like that when I was 13 using Flash and AS2, copying half the code off a book
Great fun, but I didn't even understand half the math that goes behind projecting a 3D space onto a 2D screen
 
Heh, yeah, the sites do remind me of the "DHTML" era
 
I once tried something like the first one, but not the 3d aspect. I tried to make floaty links. Flash. The second one nearly broke my mobile Safari!
 
I had to write a 3D renderer back in school
 
Are you rich yet?
Pay some friends to write positive reviews
 
How many downloads so far?
 
Nope. But i am about ten bucks closer. :p
@YiJiang I normally don't release sales info :p I got ofically 8, but I downloaded it myself so say 7
 
Eastern State Penitentiary (where Al Capone served his time) is offering buy-one-get-one-free tickets on Valentines Day! How romantic, visiting a run down prison.
 
Haha
People! Download my game!
 
1:46 PM
As soon as you make an Android version.
 
Hey I wonder what ads on the NYC subways cost... Anyone care to find out?
@DanG as soon as you send me an android device!
 
@Moshe Is more than you can afford a good answer? ;)
 
@YiJiang no
 
Offer them $10CPM.
 
1:48 PM
CPM?
Clicks per month?
 
no
cost per mille, how display ads on the internet are priced, $ per 1000 impressions
 
Heh.
This is gonna be close. A few days left to my billing cycle and about a hundred Meg of data left...
Off I go.
@YiJiang I could just make business cards and hand em out to iPhone users.
 
Data...quota...?...eww
Valve offers these Valentine's Day gift ideas
 
Isn't that what having a "crush" is? Wanting to (crush someone || wanted to get crushed) (with || by) a diamond. :P
Seriously. Bye. And Buy. Nippon.
 
A stroke on live TV?
 
2:05 PM
rotfl
 
2:24 PM
@DanGrossman redditer!
 
Hey. @DanG you will like this question.
How do you find out who registered a gmail account?
A particular one, that is.
 
You obtain a court order from a judge and have it served to Google
Aside from that, I don't understand the question
 
@Dan I was wondering if there was another way, short of breaking in.
 
What do you mean by "who" anyway?
 
The name of the person using an account to prank someone.
 
2:27 PM
My TV has a gmail account. My phone has a gmail account from when I registered for the marketplace. They don't have names.
 
This was a human that sent an email.
 
I don't think there's an answer to your question. You can put whatever text you like in the 'From:' field of e-mail.
 
Google TVs don't have email addresses.
 
Mine does.
 
True. But I think this individual may have made a mistake.
I meant that Google TVs don't have senses of humor. They dont prank people.
 
2:29 PM
My TV is dangrossman84@gmail.com. I was required to register to activate the box.
 
Do you check that account?
 
Well, thanks. Breakfast beckons.
 
2:44 PM
morning all
 
2:58 PM
@Moshe Not at all.
 
Did @MarcGravell get an awesome unicorn painting?
user image
3
 
@MichaelMrozek I thought he got an awesome job :p
 
He got it a bit early then. Maybe they weren't paying him until now
 
Perhaps not :p
 
Hi! :)
Press any key to continue…
 
3:11 PM
@Nyuszika7H I keep pressing it but it's not helping
 
I'm not replacing my question-mark with an ... I want my question mark!
 
Does anyone have a notification banner on MSO more than a day or so old?
 
@PopularDemand No.
 
@PopularDemand There's a few things broken in .5 (notification banners, system messages, mod flag alerts)
 
@MichaelMrozek .5?
 
3:22 PM
Revision 2011.2.14.5
 
@PopularDemand no
 
Thanks. My bannerless page makes me sad.
 
First attempt at creating icons for each garden category
 
Hello everyone, how are we all today?
 
@YiJiang hmm, what's the overall expected pixelheight
@TheRenamedException sideline convo on IM .. did you open it yet?
 
3:46 PM
@drachenstern what was that a response to? I'm on iOS.
 
@Moshe um, oy, lemme go OB the context
19 hours ago, by Moshe
@drachenstern quick question - you think it's a bad idea to rename the locations in the next release?
But I fully expect to see two things: ~ (bank)/(credit union) [incarnation of such is up to you] ~ A way to get to those from within the location proper ~ :p ;)
 
@drachenstern opening now
 
Also, @Moshe did you see my latest gamecenter high? If I didn't lose half my money or fish every fifth move (no, it's not exact) then I might score higher still ;)
 
@YiJiang Use (+) for Others, as in "More"
 
@badp good call, +1
 

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