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Dan Grossman

00:00

I still have nightmares about that boss in Doom 2...

Shog9

@Pollyanna Indeed... I learned much as a young coder reading through the Objective-C source of the Doom level editor on fanfold paper.

mootinator

I still have nightmares about George Romero

Dan Grossman

Shog9

@DanGrossman Playing the cyberdemon and spider mastermind against each other was a thrill like no other.

Pollyanna

@Shog9 Great source code == geek porn

radp

00:02

"oh baby... shift those registers some more..."

Shog9

@Pollyanna fanfold == yards of fold-out

radp

</bad-pun-of-the-day>

Shog9

I had it in my head for the longest time that iD was named after the ObjC datatype...

mootinator

I learned absolutely nothing typing games from magazines into my C64

Shog9

@mootinator Really? I learned to type very quickly. But then, my little compy didn't have a way to save to tape.

radp

00:03

@mootinator You should've added cheats as you punched.

mootinator

I was only about 6 at the time.

Pollyanna

"But... I was told the ternary operator would bring about a reign of darkne - oh... wait... oh, my, Mr. Carmack, how *elegant!*" swoon

Shog9

He finally gets it...

mootinator

Codewarrior would make a much better game than it did an IDE, I've always maintained.

Shog9

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Q: Feature Request: set user privileges on Meta Stack Overflow based on combined rep across sites

Possible Duplicate: Why not merge reputation across SO, SF, and SU? Meta Stack Overflow is really the “National Capital”, as mentioned in this bit from the New Per-Site Metas blog post: Meta Stack Overflow will serve as the “National Capital” where we process feedback not just for ...

drachenstern

00:06

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException GAH!!! Just when I made a NY Resolution to STAR oy's ... /facepalm

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@mootinator HAHA, I learned C/C++ on CodeWarrior

@drachenstern Well, good, we should balance each other out well and balance will be restored to the universe

@drachenstern Or should I say: Oy!

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mootinator

Feature Request: Automatically star any message containing "oy" so nobody feels compelled to do it themselves.

Right, that wouldn't stop anyone.

drachenstern

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException ;) ★

Pollyanna

@Shog9 He's pretty persistent. At least he's not like the hundreds before him that suggest one change, then storm off in protest when they find people opposed to the idea. oy. (when in rome...)

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@mootinator I'll bet if you ask nicely @TimStone will ad this to the Userscript...

mootinator

00:09

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException /autooy enable

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Tim Stone

I'm not sure if I've ever starred an "oy" post, so not likely. :P

drachenstern

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException are we assuming holding control of the US will now fall to @TimStone instead of @RebeccaChernoff ?

Tim Stone

It's not like she's disappeared, lmao.

drachenstern

If so, then I'll take his position as #3 on the project, and I'll add it to the code ;)

radp

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Q: Feature Request: set user privileges on Meta Stack Overflow based on combined rep across sites

Possible Duplicate: Why not merge reputation across SO, SF, and SU? Meta Stack Overflow is really the “National Capital”, as mentioned in this bit from the New Per-Site Metas blog post: Meta Stack Overflow will serve as the “National Capital” where we process feedback not just for ...

feature-request reputation meta-meta privileges

Please join me in reopening the question -- if it's a dupe, it's not of that one.

drachenstern

00:10

@TimStone no but I have this brilliant idea on how to make people feel better about it ;)

Rebecca Chernoff

35 secs ago, by Tim Stone

It's not like she's disappeared, lmao.

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@drachenstern No, I'm actually expecting the chat UserScript to be merged into /trunk when @balpha isn't looking :-)

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff I mean, if anything, you'll be here even more ;)

drachenstern

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException bwahahahaha, not happening anytime soon

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@RebeccaChernoff OH... MY... GOD... like Zypher she has become OMNIPOTENT!

radp

00:10

Also it must have some merit if chat.SE privs are based on combined rep.

At least, they're looking into it.

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

I also expect StackFlair to secretly replace SOFlair XD

Tim Stone

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException That would make things so much easier..I have to crawl back up the caller tree right now to prevent cross-room notifications! Ridiculous. :P

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@TimStone Really? That's hideous

I'm glad I'm writing the XMPP bridge, it doesn't need any dirty hacks like that!

Oh wait. I made the source public...

drachenstern

@random ~ I summon thee to the chatroom :p

Tim Stone

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException github.com/rchern/StackExchangeScripts/blob/master/…

Marc and his out-of-scope functions, pah!

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

00:14

@TimStone You'd hate trying to hack my code, I do that more and more these days

is this link supposed to work though? ;-)

Shog9

@drachenstern It took y'all about three hours to drag me in here, so don't hold your breath - those notifications aren't all that noticeable.

Tim Stone

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException It does, if your browser isn't being silly and thinking that's a userscript link.

drachenstern

@Shog9 oh I figured you just showed up of your own accord. Additionally, how active are you on MSO?

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@TimStone Chrome was, so I switched to Safari which seems to think the page is a .gif of a loading indicator...

@drachenstern Very active

Tim Stone

...Which Chrome apparently can't figure out. @RebeccaChernoff I thought you said it worked now?

Shog9

00:15

@drachenstern Today? Quite active. Normally? Only disturbingly active.

mootinator

We can summon people?

drachenstern

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException did I ask the question the wrong way round? Why did it take 3 hours for him to notice the dot?

Tim Stone

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException That's stupid:

drachenstern

@Shog9 I see I need to rephrase my thought process

Shog9

@mootinator if you have goat's blood. Lots of goats blood.

Tim Stone

00:16

if (localStorage['chat-multiroom-disable'] != 'true' || source && (source = source.caller) && (source = source.arguments) && (source = source[0]) && (room_id == -1 || source.room_id == room_id)) {

drachenstern

@Shog9 thanks for stealing it! :p

mootinator

Speak to us O @JohnCarmack

gets a goat from the freezer.

Shog9

@drachenstern I crave it...

drachenstern

@mootinator you gotta have the Book of the Dead^WDeleted Posts

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@TimStone Not sure what's up, thanks

@TimStone I'm impressed, that's a very clever hack

I'll have to remember that in my book of hackery

Tim Stone

00:17

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException I'm surprised that replacing window.webkitNotifications.createNotification() worked (in a previous line) actually, but whatever.

My notifications disappear on their own, which is all that I care about. :P

...I also don't get five of them.

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Dec 29 '10 at 21:42, by The Unhandled Exception

@TimStone really @Tim? So @Tim you're saying that every @TimStone shows a message like, "@TimStone you were mentioned?" Don't you think that's a bug @Tim? I'd think one @Tim notifcation is @Tim enough@Tim wouldn't you @Tim agree @Tim? @Tim? @Tim are you there? @TIM!!! ANSWER!!! @TimStone @Tim @TimStone...??

mootinator

I do not have the patience for poker today.

Tim Stone

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException One notification, now auto-hid ;)

radp

@TimStone It's okay, we can still auto-annoy you in the good ole ways. Editing still causes multiple beeps, does it not? Hm? Well?

Tim Stone

@radp I'd feel lonely if you didn't.

It's hard to hear them over my music anyway ;)

drachenstern

00:20

@radp only if you have the sound turned on. I do not.

Tim Stone

But it does.

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@radp it does!!!!!!!!!

Pollyanna

youtube.com/watch?v=UIV8G2UCyGc <-- relevant to your poking interests.

mootinator

@TimStone really?

Tim Stone

Really.

radp

00:20

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException thingadongdongly!

Moshe

I'm back.

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@radp gorgeous was best

about 8 firetrucks just screamed into my neighborhood... I'm a little scared...

Tim Stone

As long as you aren't on fire...

radp

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException Have you checked your microwave?

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

their sirens drowned out @radp 's notifications...

Tim Stone

00:22

Which I'll assume you aren't, otherwise you might need to push chat down on your priority list.

Shog9

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException note to self: if mute button breaks, set house on fire

mootinator

@TheN :/

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@TimStone Oh that's what the smell was!

Achem. Sorry, welcome back @Moshe

radp

Nite.

Moshe

@radp - nite.

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

00:24

Leaving already @radp? Have a good one.

Moshe

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException - Thanks.

radp

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException Yeah merely 0124.

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

LOL. Sleep well.

Moshe

Now, how do I go about replacing all of the instances of text in a page using Javascript?

drachenstern

@Moshe using a live handler is what @RebeccaChernoff said

Moshe

00:25

For my userscript, that is.

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@Moshe Damn, foiled again

drachenstern

have you looked at her code?

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException no no no, we already got past that

Moshe

@drachenstern - Nope. Have not.

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Oh that's right, we were talking about calling setTimeout in a loop

drachenstern

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException really he just needs to execute $(newElement > span.deleted).html('(redacted)'); on new elements being added

Moshe

00:26

Where is that link? searches for jQuery, gets too many results

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@Moshe you're using jQuery I assume?

drachenstern

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException you got it, but she said with the .live handler

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@Moshe Take a look at how Prototype does PeriodicalExecuter s

Tim Stone

Actually I wonder if using livequery ends up being more expensive...Hmm.

makes mental note

drachenstern

plugins.jquery.com/project/livequery

Moshe

00:27

@drachenstern - thanks.

drachenstern

jup ~ Don't thank me, thank her ;)

Moshe

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException - Thank you for the protoype link.

drachenstern

Also, I wonder if her script is already loaded if you need to include it in your script?

Moshe

@RebeccaChernoff - Thank you.

Dan Grossman

> "In antiquity, Romans mixed acetic acid in lead pots, resulting in a drink called 'sugar of lead'. Drinking it resulted in lead poisoning."

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

00:28

@Moshe looking for source code, sec

drachenstern

well I guess jQuery won't double include something like that huh?

Moshe

Doubt it would, dunno.

drachenstern

@DanGrossman they also created nice little batteries using acid and lead pots

Shog9

@drachenstern not if y'all are still using the "inject into page script" technique.

drachenstern

@Shog9 They're using userscripts is all I know atm

I keep telling myself I'm gonna join in the fun, and I never do

Tim Stone

00:29

<script src="http://stackflair.com/jquery.livequery.js"></script>

points

Shog9

userscripts are (or should be...) isolated from one another, but most of the time you can make your life easier by just injecting your script directly into the page and accessing it directly (along with anything else that's been loaded).

Moshe

@TimStone - Thank you.

drachenstern

@TimStone what, exactly, are you pointing to?

Rebecca Chernoff

probably a better way to do that than hosting it on stackflair hrm

Moshe

@RebeccaChernoff - Yea, github, maybe?

drachenstern

00:30

@RebeccaChernoff embedding it?

Josh's Socks

registerCallback: function() {
    this.timer = setInterval(this.onTimerEvent.bind(this), this.frequency * 1000);
  },

  execute: function() {
    this.callback(this);
  },

  stop: function() {
    if (!this.timer) return;
    clearInterval(this.timer);
    this.timer = null;
  },

  onTimerEvent: function() {
    if (!this.currentlyExecuting) {
      try {
        this.currentlyExecuting = true;
        this.execute();
      } finally {
        this.currentlyExecuting = false;
      }
    }
  }

@Moshe ^^

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff I'm not sure that we actually need livequery at all, but I'm going to finish work before looking into that.

drachenstern

@JoshsSocks is that the livequery? ~ It does look like all @Moshe needs to implement

Shog9

eh, @LaurenceGonsalves, welcome

Josh's Socks

@drachenstern That's Prototype's PeriodicalExecuter

drachenstern

00:32

@JoshsSocks oh, ok, there you go

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

You'd say, var pe = new PeriodicalExecuter(someFunction, someNumberOfSeconds);

drachenstern

@LaurenceGonsalves don't be afraid, we really don't bite

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And then it will call someFunction() every someNumberOfSeconds making sure not to run it more than once concurrently

drachenstern

even if we do act like one big family of fratkids ;)

Tim Stone

@drachenstern Actually the socks do, but...

drachenstern

00:33

@TimStone shhhh ;)

zomg, he's gonna have the wrong idea about us before he says hello

Moshe

So that's all I need?

drachenstern

Laurence Gonsalves, SF Bay Area

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feature-request reputation meta discussion stackoverflow questions per-site-meta

Josh's Socks

@TimStone I try to, but I lack teeth.

drachenstern

dang, I thought the OB would show post counts like the profee proper does

Tim Stone

Right, cotton gnaw then or something.

Shog9

00:34

@Moshe that and goat blood. You really can't forget the goat blood.

drachenstern

oh wait, that's the meta profee

Tim Stone

@Shog9 It really is the cornerstone of the whole process.

Moshe

okay

drachenstern

That's dumb... why does the chat.mso/profee OB show the MSO/profee deets?

if I wanted to OB the MSO/profee deets, I woulda OBd MSO/profee

Shog9

struggles to parse what @drachenstern just wrote, gives up and opens beer

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

00:35

Hahahaha

drachenstern

@Shog9 it's how I woulda said it out loud ;)

damn, I just realized, I have no wine OR beer at the house ...

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@drachenstern Sounds like you've already had a few beers then ;-)

drachenstern

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException I merely believe in efficient communication of ideas ;)

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@drachenstern "profee deets" meets this description? ;-)

drachenstern

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException it might :|

Moshe

00:37

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException - So all I need is that code, yes?

Tim Stone

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException I guess it's a little more descriptive than my waving of hands, at least.

drachenstern

@Moshe not quite

but its definitely a start

Moshe

@drachenstern - Figured.

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@Moshe The full code is a class

Moshe

But what is wrong with using the interval?

Rebecca Chernoff

00:38

I'd personally just embed livequery, been wanting to do that with the userscript

But that's because I know livequery.

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@Moshe I'm not sure... the code I sent uses setInterval also

drachenstern

you'll just keep scanning the entire tree for things that don't need to be changed, and possibly force updating them, that was my only thought. But there's not necessarily a bad thing about that

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@drachenstern Why not just remember where you left off at?

drachenstern

I can see I need to go home tonight and fireup a javascript editor and play around for a few minutes before I can say if there's a better way than a timer

Yi Jiang

@Moshe What were you pinging me about?

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

00:39

keep a pointer to the last element you were on and search from there

Shog9

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException Use setTimeout. setTimeout is classy. You can adjust intervals based on load...

drachenstern

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException how would you do that on new insertions into the DOM? Using jQuery?

Tim Stone

@drachenstern Scanning the entire tree repeatedly makes the browser sad. :(

Moshe

@YiJiang - Dunno.

drachenstern

@TimStone depends on how big the tree is and how often you scan it

Yi Jiang

00:39

2 hours ago, by Moshe

@RebeccaChernoff , @YiJiang - How do you do efficient replacements in your scripts?

What do you mean by replacement?

Shog9

@drachenstern monkey-patch jQuery to detect modifications.

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@Shog9 Ah, ok, yes. I would agree, I was copypasting Prototype's source

drachenstern

@Shog9 I don't know that the browsers tell you when the DOM changes do they? That's all you need, is to hook that particular event

Yi Jiang

@Shog9 DOMNodeInserted events are supported in Firefox and Chome, which should be enough

Moshe

@YiJiang I'm writing a userscript to replace "removed" with "redacted"

Rebecca Chernoff

00:40

livequery uses a timeout too, but the abstraction is good. I just worry about what I need to worry about. shrugs

@Moshe, research it a bit. (:

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@drachenstern I'd use setTimeout/setInterval, in an object which remember the last post it saw

Yi Jiang

@Moshe Oh, simple enough

drachenstern

@YiJiang you would ignore a whole segment of the market??? (ok, they wouldn't use the userscript anyways ;) )

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException I'ld prefer to just hook DomNodeInserted myself, but I'm not the one writing the code ;)

Yi Jiang

Hang on, let me get you the relevant bit of code

drachenstern

However, I might write code that replaces all the smileys here with actual gifs

Moshe

00:41

Thank you, @YiJiang

drachenstern

just because I could

Rebecca Chernoff

Plus, livequery would be better for someone who isn't sure what they're doing.

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@drachenstern I just read @YiJiang 's message talking about that and it's new to me

Rebecca Chernoff

</two cents>

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff Indeed.

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

00:42

That's a better way of doing it, for sure @YiJiang and @drachenstern

drachenstern

@RebeccaChernoff indeed. Hence my point of him using a library to start

Moshe

Im really confused

Michael Mrozek

@RebeccaChernoff You went from "I know livequery" to "livequery would be better for someone who isn't sure what they're doing" :)

drachenstern

hence my insistence on jQuery, till he learns the basic underlyings

Yi Jiang

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException The only problem is that DOMNodeInserted is actually deprecated

drachenstern

00:42

@MichaelMrozek I don't see the discrepancy

@YiJiang GAH!!!!

@YiJiang do they recommend a followup?

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

I have an idea. Someone should write a userscript which abstracts chat events and creates an object which event handlers can be attached to

Moshe

You're all saying not to use setInterval directly, but to use it indirectly instead?

Yi Jiang

@drachenstern The only comment left in the specs is that they're redrafting those events

Moshe

I am more worried about the "hook" into the page updates.

Yi Jiang

@Moshe What do you mean by that?

Tim Stone

00:43

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException Hahah

Shog9

@YiJiang Excellent. I would suggest combining this with setTimeout to prevent unnecessary load.

Rebecca Chernoff

Ok, does anyone else notice that when they start typing @Michael and hit tab, it goes straight to @MichaelPetrotta and doesn't show @MichaelMrozek as an option? But then if you try it again it works? I always forget to pay attention to when I stop typing the name and move to tab.

drachenstern

@Moshe no, they're saying to abstract the details of the loop

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

I'm tempted to create such an object myself, right now. WHich is bad, I have work I should be doing!!

drachenstern

@RebeccaChernoff I don't replicate that behavior

Rebecca Chernoff

00:44

But I think I type Michael and then hit tab.

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@RebeccaChernoff This has been frustrating me to no end recently

Moshe

@drachenstern - It's a simple one line userscript. Abstract it to where?

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff No, but I could see there being special code that allows you to ignore @MichaelMrozek

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

You're staff now @RebeccaChernoff. Please fix it

;-)

Rebecca Chernoff

Oh right. This makes sense @TimStone.

Shog9

00:44

@Moshe To a 200-line, pseudo-class-based framework

Tim Stone

Case solved \o/

drachenstern

@Moshe that was the point they were making about the use of livequery. My point was why scan the DOM for no reason.

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@TimStone ...I'm sorry, I was being serious :-)

Moshe

@Shog9 - Yep.

Michael Mrozek

@RebeccaChernoff That would explain people constantly mis-completing my name as @MichaelMeyers

drachenstern

00:45

@Shog9 Enterprise FizzBuzz anyone?

Tim Stone

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException Well, it's a bit silly. I mean, at that point they might as well just give us an API. :P

Rebecca Chernoff

@MichaelMrozek never had it happen with him though. Only Petrotta.

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@TimStone I think @RebeccaChernoff will fight for our cause here! \o/

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Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff I can't repro this..

mootinator

FizzBuzz!

Tim Stone

00:46

Hmm...

Yi Jiang

document.getElementById('chat').addEventListener('DOMNodeInserted', function(evt){
	if(evt.target.nodeType === 1){
		if(evt.target.id.match(/message-\d+/) && evt.target.querySelectorAll('.deleted').length){
			evt.target.querySelectorAll('.deleted')[0].innerHTML = '(redacted)';
		}
	}
}, false);

mootinator

\o/

drachenstern

Ok folks, off to the house I go, which entails walking the dogs and fixing dinner, so I suppose I'll be back in about 300 messages from now. At least I can pretend to scroll to this message ;)

Tim Stone

G'bye :P

Moshe

@drachenstern cya

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

00:46

@drachenstern catch ya later

Moshe

@YiJiang - What does that do?

Tim Stone

You people and your distractions... shakes head and tries to remember what he was doing

Josh's Socks

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException OK. I'm on it! Object coming right up.

Yi Jiang

@Moshe What you were asking me about

Moshe

@TimStone - distracts @TimStone

Shog9

00:47

@drachenstern If you'd fix the dogs and walk the dinner, you'd be back quicker. hands drach a pliers

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Moshe

Can I use that code as is?

Yi Jiang

@Moshe Should work, not tested

@mootinator Psshttt... too easy

Moshe

ok

mootinator

@YiJiang :'(

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@Moshe Let us know if that works

Moshe

00:53

erm, hang on

Josh's Socks

Almost done @Moshe and @TheNeedsMoarJqueryException

Moshe

It works, but it doesn't replace the ones that already exist on the page.

So.. I need to make a change, which I might be able to do on my own.

Yi Jiang

@Moshe Yeah, for that you can loop through all existing ones when the page loads

Moshe

@YiJiang - Yep, my thoughts.

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@Moshe Mine will

Moshe

00:54

If I can figure out how.

Yi Jiang

Just use querySelectorAll, for the sake of your sanity

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

Mine will also not ude deprecated functions

Moshe

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException - Will it be dependent on any other libraries?

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

alllmost done

Moshe

ude?

heh

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

00:55

@Moshe Nope

Moshe

cool

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

Mine is a Chat object which you can do: Chat.on('messagePosted',function(message){...

Moshe

btw, I find my git commit messages humorous.

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@Moshe You should see my svn commit messages XD

Yi Jiang

var chat = document.getElementById('chat'),
	deleted = chat.querySelectorAll('.deleted');

chat.addEventListener('DOMNodeInserted', function(evt){
	if(evt.target.nodeType === 1){
		if(evt.target.id.match(/message-\d+/) && evt.target.querySelectorAll('.deleted').length){
			evt.target.querySelectorAll('.deleted')[0].innerHTML = '(redacted)';
		}
	}
}, false);

for(var i = 0; i < deleted; i++) {
	deleted[i].innerHTML = '(redacted)';
}

If you want to replace existing messages too

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

00:59

Damn, beat me to it @YiJiang

Moshe

I do want to, @YiJiang.

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

bugtesting mine

Yi Jiang

Again, not tested, but should work

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