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Moshe

4:01 PM

@Fosco - welcome back

Oh, @RebeccaChernoff - too! It's been a quiet morning.

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Pekka

@Moshe I will remain reachable on pekka@gmx.de, you can ping me on that one when things are ready.

Moshe

@ErickRobertson still there?

Erick Robertson

yes

Moshe

@Pekka That an email address (or chatroom)?

Pekka

4:09 PM

@Moshe E-Mail!

Although I will surely pop in here from time to time

Moshe

@Pekka Just checking.

I'm technically ready when you are, I just need to replace my strings with the calls to the localize functions.

Pekka

@Moshe ah, okay. It will be a couple of weeks on my end, and I might become unavailable after that if I find something new quickly, so no guarantees. How much would it be? 20 sentences? 200? 2000?

Moshe

@Pekka Not 20, not 2000, somewhere in the middle. The app description is a bit long, about 2000 characters.

You can sign into Yahoo! Mail with Google. what is this world coming to?

Pekka

@Moshe ah, okay. Ping me in a couple of weeks' time, I might be able to contribute at least a part. But as said, no guarantees.

Is there a SE site for app translations in the works by the way?

Moshe

@Pekka Not that I know of. It's not really a SE style kinda site. That would be more like, "please translate this", not "How do you translate this?"(I did think of making a service like that by the way.)

Pekka

4:18 PM

@Moshe yeah, crowdsourcing might work well for that (If it's somehow possible to grasp the context of the sentence that is being translated, that is often the biggest obstacle.)

Moshe

@Pekka My thoughts indeed.

Pekka

@Moshe I think there is a Python web app for this named Rosetta, I contributed some translations to a Stack Overflow clone with it once

Moshe

Pekka

code.google.com/p/django-rosetta

It's pretty nice

But seems Django specific

Moshe

Nice, but not what I'm after.

Pekka

4:21 PM

@Moshe yeah

It would have to be a web app that allows screen shots / screencasts for context. With a rep system similar to SO

badp

and meta memes.

"+10, enough freehanded circles."

Moshe

@badp Yes, that too.

How many languages can you say "oy" in?

badp

@Moshe rchern.

Pekka

@Moshe en.wiktionary.org/wiki/oy

They list 6

But there are more

List of Latin digraphs

This is a list of digraphs used in various Latin alphabets. (See also List of Cyrillic digraphs.) Capitalization involves only the first letter (ch – Ch) unless otherwise stated (ij – IJ). Letters with diacritics are arranged in alphabetic order according to their base. That is, ‹å› is alphabetized with ‹a›, not at the end of the alphabet as it would be in Norwegian, Swedish and Danish. Substantially modified letters such as (a variant of ‹s›) and (based on ‹o›) are placed at the end. ’ ‹’b› (capital ‹’B›) is used in the Bari alphabet to represent . ‹’d› (capital ‹’D›) is used in the ...

badp

In turk, "oy" means vote. So, when Jeff wants screams "VOTE! VOTE! VOTE!"...

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Moshe

4:25 PM

@badp Haha.

Rebecca Chernoff

I love how they don't even list Yiddish.

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Moshe

@RebeccaChernoff - Yea, i noticed. Well, it's a wiki, why not edit it?

badp

A complete declination of oy. I'm so j-oy-ous right now.

Rebecca Chernoff

@badp I'm...a quantity?

badp

@RebeccaChernoff er, no, a language. A pretty universal one too.

Moshe

4:26 PM

Hahahaha!

</jolly-laugh>

OYUMUZUN

(removed)

@Moshe "of our vote"

@badp Ah, Okay.

@Pekka - If you can tell me how to say "Okay" in German, you will have translated a lot of the UI already ;-)

badp

the plural forms of 'oy' are full of undotted ı's. So, when Jon Skeet and Tony the Pony were talking about capitalization and Turkish...

Pekka

4:29 PM

@Moshe ahahaha! Depending on context, "okay" is fine in most cases. It's become part of the language

Can you make an example?

Moshe

@Pekka Hang on. Or, ...wait for it... ;-)

Also, @Pekka - i assume that most of the items stay the same. They're sushi names. Unless there are prefixes or suffixes to be added.

Pekka

@Moshe "OK" will do fine here, it's the default label for the OK button.

Moshe

@Pekka What other options are there? I feel like I'm doing a "halfhearted" job using borrowed words. But then again, English is a borrowed language.

badp

@Moshe I assume translating that "OK" is not your responsibility

Moshe

@badp What do you mean by that?

Pekka

4:38 PM

@Moshe no, this is really the best option here, German is very anglicized in the computer area.

badp

@Moshe Doesn't iOS do some basic translation itself?

Moshe

@badp Yes, but not there. I would have to use a system button, but that is usually for the "Done" button in the toolbar.

badp

Like, you have a Yes/No dialog and if the device is set in German, the buttons read "Ya"/"Nein" without you doing anything

Moshe

@Pekka Ok (pun intended)

@badp ... (pre-edit)

@badp Yes, that's true, but not in that context. The UIAlertControl does not have any default system buttons as far as I'm aware. You pass it a string constant as the label. The developer is required to translate those.

badp

Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaail.

Moshe

4:41 PM

@badp Well, yes but, translation is easy enough, provided you know the given language of course.

Pekka

@Moshe That's going to look nice on my CV! "Translated Sushi names for iPhone app" ;)

Moshe

@Pekka Haha, yep. Well, it's more than the names. I could email you the description, but the app is not ready. I think I'll wait. (But if you want, you can translate the above screenshot, which I again forgot to nuke in time.)

Pekka

@Moshe yeah, all right. For the time being, the translation: "Information / Tage übrig / ??? / Bargeld / Schulden / Ersparnisse". What context is "cart" in?

Moshe

A pushcart. Like a street vendor's cart. A concession stand perhaps?

Pekka

Like this? Edit: Ah, nevermind

Moshe

4:45 PM

...waiting for it...

Pekka

Okay, and what does the number signify?

The number of carts, or the number of sushis in it, or something else?

Moshe

Number of items you have/How many items you can carry at once. (Sushis in it.)

Pekka

So it could also be "In cart: 0/125"?

badp

It seems to me that the quality in SE is slightly going downwards

Pekka

@badp why?

@Moshe If it has wheels, I would translate it with "Im Wagen"

Moshe

4:47 PM

Ah, ok.

Makes sense, actually. (uses limited knowledge of German to understand the translation.)

Thank you.

badp

example of the now: after suggesting a proposal, you're shown your post. A naked blockquote (no class, no id) is added at the top of the post explaining what happened. It is thus unthemable :|

Pekka

@Moshe no problem.

@badp not sure I follow

Moshe

@Pekka Ditto that.

badp

That bit is indistinguishable, visually and markup-wise, from the actual post.

Pekka

@badp ah-ha! That makes sense.

Moshe

4:51 PM

@Pekka Once again, Ditto that.

Close ring - go do your thing.

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Q: Which Books do you recommend?

Of the following which do you recommend? Or if you have better please suggest them. Thank You! Programming in Objective-C 2.0 Stephen G. Kochan Cocoa and Objective-C: Up and Running Scott Stevenson Objective-C for Dummies Neal Goldstein.

It's a dupe.

fires up Xcode to make a sample project for guy with a 47% accept ratio. (I may be insane.)

Moshe

5:15 PM

yeah, I'm insane.

Moshe

5:35 PM

Hey, bluecoats, et al, (@RebeccaChernoff, @badp) is it wrong to leave a "Welcome to SO!" comment? This guy posted a decent question with no formatting problems and has only 1 rep. It's a refreshing surprise.

badp

Why'd it be wrong?

Moshe

@badp Pointless noise.

I guess not.

badp

They're comments.

start helping him get out of the misery of 1 rep maybe

Moshe

@badp I did. what voting ring? ... heh.

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A: Problems with finding Three20 Header Files for iPhone App

It sounds like you haven't imported the files correctly. Have another look at where you added the files to you project, if you have at all. (If not, you need to drag them into your project first!)

You can too.

Moshe

5:56 PM

Whew, went from 175 answers to 182... moving right along...

Moshe

6:31 PM

185 done for today.

Josh

6:44 PM

Hey @Moshe, congrats on the release

Fosco

its out? nice job!

Josh

Hey there @Fosco. Check your email, my boss should have sent you something

Fosco

@Josh Really?... I don't see anything. gfosco at gmail ?

Josh

@Fosco That could explain why he asked me why you didn't respond ;-)

I'll ask him to resend

@Fosco just checked his sent box (I like being the sysadmin!) hirefosco@...

Fosco

ah damn, im sorry... all email at fosco.com is down

Josh

6:51 PM

no problem, I'll ask him to resend to your gmail!

Fosco

I haven't set it back up since I moved servers.

Thanks. I wonder what it is!

Josh

:-)

I'd better go grab some lunch if I am going to make it back in time for the Town Hall!

In case anyone doesn't know:

chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/505/town-hall-chat

Fosco

Gratzie

badp

Still 65 mins to its official start

@YiJiang stackapps.com/q/1962/1165

Josh

@badp I can make it if I rush!

catch you guys later

badp

6:55 PM

64 MINUTES!

later.

George Stocker

So how did @YiJiang get it if it's not already in the API?\

reference: stackapps.com/questions/1962/…

Fosco

I might be here...

badp

@GeorgeStocker screen scraping

George Stocker

@badp Gotcha.

Moshe

@Josh thank you. We are not done until it passes approval, but G-d willing, that wont be a problem.

I'll know in about a week or two.

Michael Mrozek

7:39 PM

When did @balpha get a shiny new gravatar? I just noticed

balpha

about a day ago

Moshe

Anyone know about Wine VS VirtualBox?

Pekka

Fiver says this is again a super-egregious sock puppet, about to be humiliated in public

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Q: about 600 reputation has disappeared, what did I do wrong?

I was just checking SO and found out that my reputation has dropped from about 1200/1300 to 593. What has happened? I didn't do anything special.

bug reputation

balpha

hmm

no, I think not this time

Pekka

@balpha awww

(Had hoped for some entertainment :)

But if what he says in the comment to Waiwai's answer is correct, it's a weird case

balpha

7:53 PM

yeah. Not sure why the rep would be that far off

be it's correct; after a racalc, he has about 600 more

Pekka

Stange

*r

Michael Mrozek

@Pekka Seriously, what is with those lately? Is it the same guy over and over?

Pekka

@MichaelMrozek I think it was the same guy at least twice

Hansmukh and his sock puppets :)

One even had a posterous.com page in his profile to create the illusion of a real person. But it was empty.

@Moshe only that the former never works

(based on 3 days' experience in 2001 or so, so don't take too seriously :)

Moshe

@Pekka thanks. I sorted it out
(I hope) out with a friend over the phone.

balpha

SO Townhall chat is starting now.

chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/505/town-hall-chat

badp

8:03 PM

@balpha Well, you finally got your stress testy thing!

balpha

meh, seeing about 30 people so far

that's nothing

with 30 people in the room, you can actually still have a conversation :)

badp

@balpha eh, if you did want over nine thousand users, you could hold an Ubuntu release party on AskUbuntu :)

...with talking rep down to 1.

I mean, I don't think stress'll ever be higher than tonight's...

balpha

8:22 PM

Yeah, stress on the software isn't really an issue. We've previously seen that conversation scales far worse than the chat software itself

Michael Mrozek

8:44 PM

> You have fully used your vote allowance for today

First time I've ever done that (chat stars)

Tim Stone

@MichaelMrozek And not a single inane post. :P

Tim Stone

9:14 PM

Very telling Town Hall. Can we force everyone to read the transcript before they vote? ;)

Rebecca Chernoff

LOL @ legitimately running out of stars.

George Stocker

9:30 PM

@Tim Stone It'd be nice if the election page could somehow parse the questions and answers and have a digest of what people wrote viewable for browsing.

But we'd need an actual implementation for moderated townhalls in the chat system.

Tim Stone

@GeorgeStocker Yeah, I considered trying to write something to pull out the conversation in true Q&A format, but I figured most people wouldn't use the explicit reply functionality, so at that point it's more of an exercise in futility, heh. Still, for those of us who were present, I thought it was really quite valuable, a lot of good responses :)

George Stocker

I need to go back and read everyone else's, it took the entire hour for me to write responses.

The good news is that with a text chat, there was less of 'He stole my answer', since everyone can write their response without having to see others respond first.

Josh

ARGH, Just got back -- missed the town hall! I am frustrated :-(

Tim Stone

@Josh I think most of the key issues were covered, so at least you have the transcript.

Josh

That's good to hear. I'm pretty sure who I'm voting for anyway

How did it go? Were you there the whole time @Tim?

Tim Stone

9:38 PM

@Josh I thought it went really well. And yeah, I was.

Josh

@RebeccaChernoff even though I missed it live, it will be very helpful reading the transcript. Again, a big thank you for coordinating these Town Halls! (And everything else you do for us, of course!)

@TimStone I'm glad to hear that; reading the transcript now

Tim Stone

@Josh Indeed gives @RebeccaChernoff her piece of cake

Rebecca Chernoff

is playing around with javascript to see if she can get some kind of quick chat summary thing going

\o/ cake!

Josh

@RebeccaChernoff anything I can help with since I failed in my offer to help real-time? :-)

It is such a nice day here! I even have the windows open! \o/

Tim Stone

VOTES CAST

coughs

Rebecca Chernoff

9:57 PM

I count 37 questions going by the starred list.

Josh

@RebeccaChernoff I'm still reading, I'll tell you if my count is different

also, LOL:

in Town Hall Chat on Stack Overflow Chat, 2 hours ago, by Michael Mrozek

Rebecca Chernoff

Question is....how close to 296 answers are there? (;

Josh

10:17 PM

@RebeccaChernoff yeah I am having a difficult time matching answers with questions!

I am really glad I didn't try and do this in real-time!

It would have been impossible!

Rebecca Chernoff

How to Answer a Question On StackOverflow

...

Josh

ROFLMAO

That's hysterical. But it doesn't even describe how to write a good answer!

@RebeccaChernoff are you organizing the questions and answers in a meta post or anything?

@RebeccaChernoff chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/508/town-hall-digest

Moshe

@Josh - Hey, I need a bit of help, dunno if this is your area of expertise, but...

Josh

@Moshe Ask away

Moshe

I'm setting up a VirtualBox server on Ubuntu.

The server genearlly runs without X started, in "command line" mode, if you will.

Josh

10:30 PM

OK

Moshe

Is it possible to start Windows in a Virtualbox at startup?

Josh

@RebeccaChernoff this is really difficult!!!

Rebecca Chernoff

@Josh, nice. I was gonna go through and create a 37x8 array mapping question message id to answer message id and then creating a simple ui on jsfiddle to view all questions a candidate answered and all answers to a question.

Josh

@Moshe Microsoft Windows or X Windows?

Moshe

MS windows

Josh

10:31 PM

@RebeccaChernoff is what I am doing helpfu at all?

Moshe

Its an Ubuntu server

Josh

@Moshe Yes, it's possible

Moshe

But we need Windows AND Ubuntu

How would that work? Any idea to set that up?

Josh

Two different VMs

Each VM should have one OS

Moshe

The host is Ubuntu

Josh

10:32 PM

Then make a VM for Windows

Maybe I misunderstand what you're saying?

Moshe

Let me try again. I have an Ubuntu server.

Josh

Sorry, I'm working with the Town hall Transcaript right now

@Moshe OK

Moshe

Ok

I want to run MS windows on the same network as a server

Josh

OK

Moshe

We have one "server". The solution we came up with (Me, my dad, a friend) is to run Windows in a VM.

Josh

10:35 PM

OK, sounds like a good solution

Moshe

My one question is, when Ubuntu reboots, it does not start a gui.

Josh

Do you want it to?

Moshe

Will that prevent windows from running?

Josh

You mean VirtualBox

Moshe

Yea, VirtualBox

Josh

10:35 PM

I am not sure. I know with VMware Server, no

I have a VMware server box right next to me, the host OS is Ubuntu and it doesn't even have X installed

I do not know about VirtualBox however

Sorry. I could look it up for you when I finish what I'm doing

Moshe

What does VMWare cost?

Okay, thanks.

Basically, I need to know how to make VirtualBox start windows on boot and possible X if that is required.

Josh

@Moshe VMWare Server is free and can do exactly what you suggest

Moshe

Ok

Josh

It's designed for this kind of application

Moshe

Run both OS side by side?

At the same time?

Josh

10:37 PM

It is managed via a web interface. HOWEVER you will need Windows to set it up

@Moshe To start up a bunch of VMs when the host boots

Moshe

Let me ask you this: how would I add VirtualBox as a "startup entry"?

Josh

Probably using an Upstart entry, or a script under /etc/init.d

Good question for SuperUser or Unix.SE

VMware Server starts automatically

Moshe

kk brb getting food, then tackling the problem.

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Q: How do I make VirtualBox start when Ubuntu Server starts?

I have VirtualBox and I want to install MS Windows in it. How can I make VirtualBox start when Ubuntu Server does, so that I don't need to manually start Windows?

windows linux virtualbox startup

@Josh - asked.

Josh

@Moshe upvoted :-)

Moshe

10:54 PM

Thank you.

</voting-ring:superuser>

@josh, what's the opposite of startx?

Josh

@Moshe what do you mean?

Moshe