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drachenstern

12:04 AM

Josh have you left?

Picture this:

Josh

I have not

drachenstern

                                               DDL
        -------------------------------------------
          this is a flash window here
        >> floating CSS <<
          this is a flash window here
        -------------------------------------------

the floating css disappears

how do I push the flash down, as it were, under the z of the css?

badp

do not rely on the z-order of flash stuff. Only really works on Windows.

drachenstern

Ok but how do I put a CSS floating element over the flash?

Josh

two flash windows, or one?

drachenstern

12:08 AM

one flash window

just wanted to illustrate the size of the window

Josh

ok

I'm not sure I understand though

@badp it works if the flash is wmode=transparent

drachenstern

I want to CSS float a div over a flash object

Josh

OK

drachenstern

I want to have a DDL above the flash that drops down over the flash

Josh

make sure the flash doesn't redraw

drachenstern

12:10 AM

In case you can't tell this is my coworkers problem, not mine, as I would never resort to using flash but I have to use what I have to use

how do I enforce that?

Josh

by editing the source of it :-)

if the flash redraws it will cover everything

regardless of z-index

drachenstern

Can I make you stab the monitor now? It's FusionCharts if I'm not mistaken ...

Josh

LOL

So I take it you don't have control over the ActionScript source...

badp

@Josh oh rly?

drachenstern

I do not, no

Josh

12:11 AM

@badp no, I just realized what's happening

drachenstern

it's generated code

Josh

I was only partly correct @radp

badp

even on Youtube flash goes on top of everything on Linux

Josh

when it redraws

but our app successfully orders Flash applets using zIndex

however, we stop redrawing when we know the flash will be behind something

drachenstern

but you have to stop that in the actionscript source right?

Josh

12:12 AM

@drachenstern you could try hiding the flash when you show the popup...

@drachenstern yeah :-(

We have JS tell the Flash to stop doing stuff

drachenstern

nah it's a chart obviously

Josh

well, yeah...

does the popup start visible, and then go away?

or is it like, see the chart, click a button and the popup appears, do some stuff with the popup and close it?

if it's the later, you could hide the flash and just show the popup. unless the popup is like a legend for the chart or something...

drachenstern

see the chart, click the drop down list

no popups

Josh

oh. drop down list. RIGHT

drachenstern

they want to hover a label over the chart

if it were a div popup I would hide the chart

Josh

12:15 AM

I'm with you now and that's a major, major, major pain in the ASS

to which I have no good solution

wait. I might

you could try:

Josh's Socks

OK. Who's messing with me?

@RebeccaChernoff!!!!!!! >:o

GIVE ME BACK MY CHAT MESSAGE BOX!

Rebecca Chernoff

wahoo, laundry time

Josh's Socks

Note the lack of way for me to reply to @drachenstern!

@drachenstern: document.getElementById('flashID).PausePlay();

Tim Stone

Hahahah

Josh's Socks

Safari and Chrome, by the way

@TimStone I think it's Jeff trying to stop me from becoming the #1 chat user :-(

Rebecca Chernoff

12:20 AM

oy

Tim Stone

@JoshsSocks He's just trying to save you from yourself!

Josh's Socks

Or it's @RebeccaChernoff telling me it's dinnertime!

@badp sigh

Tim Stone

They suspended all people who have flags as gravatars? That seems extreme :o

badp

hides

Josh's Socks

@TimStone I think this was indeed it then!

@badp thank you for saving me from myself

badp

12:22 AM

@JoshsSocks Thank you for helping you help us help you help you all.

Michael Mrozek

Mods can only suspend for 1 hour? Who started that rumor?

Tim Stone

A mod that didn't want to be blamed for suspending someone for two hours?

badp

@MichaelMrozek CRoss about chat suspensions (as a minimum duration, not as a maximum)

Michael Mrozek

Ah

I would think it probably takes decimals, but I don't want to suspend someone to find out

Unless I can manage to frame someone else for it

Popular Demand

@TimStone What?

Josh's Socks

12:24 AM

@MichaelMrozek you don't want to suspend somebody else you mean :-)

Popular Demand

@MichaelMrozek When can't you? You must be getting old. I'll be leaving your lawn, now.

Tim Stone

I consider @Josh's gravatar a flag :P

Popular Demand

Who's suspended?

Tim Stone

8 mins ago, by Josh's Socks

They took away his right to speak!

Rebecca Chernoff

did not suspend @Josh, but ponders suspending @JoshsSocks for evading a suspension. (;

Tim Stone

12:28 AM

@RebeccaChernoff Does it count as evading if the socks are a different personality?

Rebecca Chernoff

lol

Tim Stone

Why can't I be done this code? :(

badp

@TimStone Because you're in Soviet Russia.

or, more accurately, Soviet Russia is in YOU!

Tim Stone

Ah, that seems likely.

badp

</meta-pun-of-the-day>

Tim Stone

12:40 AM

'Ello @KevinMontrose

badp

Tim Stone

That reminds me that I should eat soon..

drachenstern

1:02 AM

@JoshsSocks We've been discussing the relative merits of multiple attack vectors, thanks for the tip

@Josh Object #<an HTMLEmbedElement> has no method 'PausePlay'

drachenstern

1:23 AM

Ok, I feel like shit, I'm feeling worse as the day goes on, I'm out ... see you guys after I walk my mutts

ircmaxell

yeah, I hear that

feel better

Moshe

feeling sick

ircmaxell

I am just getting over being sick...

Tim Stone

1:45 AM

'Ello...multiple people

Yi Jiang

@TimStone Hi, I'm Yi Jiang. And this is my clone, Yi Jiang #2. And this is his clone, Yi Jiang #3...

Moshe

Hi

Tim Stone

@YiJiang Nice to meet all of you ;)

Moshe

I'm Yi Jiang #8

ircmaxell

I'm Yi Jiang #474341

(I came late to the cloning party)

Moshe

1:48 AM

I thought I was late.

feeling slightly better after dinner

heads for a tea

After all that porting, there's MORE code to write.

ircmaxell

Wow, I just opened my resume from 2007 when i started this current job. Good god is it old...

waffles

2:17 AM

@YiJiang @TimStone pretty happy with my changes to the diff for pending edits ... see: stackoverflow.com/questions/1462584/… for an example ... still needs a bit of work but much better

Josh

I CAN SPEAK AGAIN!!!!!

Yi Jiang

@Josh Eh... you got flagged?

Josh

Apparently so!

2 hours ago, by Josh's Socks

I blame @radp

brb

Tim Stone

@waffles I like it. :) It's kind of hard to see what was removed down by the HTML there, I see red lines, but only barely. Also, the big red border around the whole thing is a bit distracting, but that's the general popup's fault, so :P

Rebecca Chernoff

big red border?

waffles

2:21 AM

@TimStone I agree about that red border, its a tad aggressive

its our standard pop-over dialog

Yi Jiang

Wohoo! SxS source comparison!

Unfortunately it's missing jQuery :P

Tim Stone

Yeah

Rebecca Chernoff

What are you looking at? |:

Yi Jiang

And of course, also no del and ins to show for there... hmmm

@RebeccaChernoff stackoverflow.com/edit-suggestion/130/view-source

Rebecca Chernoff

Oh, I clicked history lol

waffles

2:22 AM

also this ... stackoverflow.com/questions/4754637/…

it has an addition and removal

so easy to tell from the diff what happened

and Jeff doubted me :)

Yi Jiang

The Side-by-side view still needs some work though

waffles

yeah ... its very ghetto for now

Yi Jiang

(I prefer just going straight there if you would add the ins and del, far better than looking at inline diff)

waffles

@YiJiang depends for what ... when fixing a few typos the inline diff is fine

Yi Jiang

(As a matter of fact, if it comes out, I would probably use an userscript to load that page with ajax to replace the original diff :P)

Rebecca Chernoff

2:25 AM

Heh.

Moshe

HOLY FREAK!!!!

calms down

mootinator

Can I use SO to have people talk me out of using sketchy code which works?

Moshe

iOS has built in support for Hebrew calendars.

OMG OMG OMG

@moot. I was using sketchy code that I thought worked. I ended up having to port a library to get it to work.

In fact I'm still porting.

mootinator

@Moshe That's part of my issue. I already thought it worked how it was before, but it really didn't.

Moshe

Same Here. Dont use your sketchy code.

mootinator

2:29 AM

But it's sooooo tempting.

Moshe

DONT. You will regret it yesterday.

mootinator

I need a Fluent NHibernate expert's opinion on how sketchy it actually is.

Moshe

Yes, I said yesterday.

mootinator

lol

Yi Jiang

@mootinator Code review Stack Exchange is in private beta

Moshe

2:30 AM

It's that important to avoid sketchy code.

@yijiang #3 - really? Sounds awesome!

mootinator

@YiJiang Ah, but I have specific reasons to believe it's sketchy.

So ask on SO.

I will.

I'll probably think better of it and wonder why I didn't avoid it YESTERDAY, TOMORROW.

Tim Stone

2:32 AM

WTF? Where did that previous message of mine come from? O_o

@waffles I think background colour on the deletes helps too, but maybe that's just me.

Tyler Chacha

HELLOHELLOHELLOHELLOHELLOHELLOHELLOHELLOHELLOHELLOHELLOHELLOHELLOHELLOHELLOHELLOHELLOHELLOHELLOHELLOHELLOHELLOHELLOHELLOHELLOHELLOHELLOHELLOHELLOHELLOHELLOHELLOHELLOHELLOHELLOHELLOHELLOHELLOHELLOHELLO

Shog9

TROLOLOLOLOLOLOLO

mootinator

2:50 AM

OHNO

@Moshe is gone. Now who will deter me from bad ideas. :(

Tyler Chacha

Where do you go to approve edits?

mootinator

Do you have to be allowed to edit to approve edits?

Yi Jiang

@TylerChacha They are inline - you see it when someone has edited, the edit button becomes edit (1), like the close button

mootinator

3:07 AM

is secretly hoping for something he dare not mention here.

Shog9

baaaaaaaacon

mootinator

has bacon in the fridge

Shog9

more baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacon

bacon-wrapped bacon fried in bacon grease with a side of extra-crispy bacon

Moshe

3:24 AM

I'm here @moot.

mootinator

^_^

Moshe

Why is iOS generating EXC_BAD_ACCESS when using 'floor(someNumber)'?

mootinator

someNumber is a pointer. And it is also 0.

Which is another way of saying. iOS? Never touched it.

I just like to listen to myself talk.

Moshe

yfrog.com/hs6kchzj

Is it tacky to post on SO as code in a question?

Yi Jiang

@Moshe Yes. It's impolite - if you can't do it now, wait a bit.

It's not that long a piece of code, surely you can type it out?

mootinator

3:33 AM

Why is it a photo, exactly?

Josh

@drachenstern you still here?

drachenstern

vaguely

Josh

Sorry, had to make a late night call to the CEO :-/

Moshe

It's a photo because I can't access the net on my lapptop now.

Josh

still need help with the flash @drachenstern?

mootinator

3:36 AM

@Moshe You need a USB key :)

Moshe

@yijiang And it's objective-c. I wouldnt even type it on a computer if not for autocomplete.

drachenstern

maybe tomorrow, not tonight

Josh

OK sure thing

I'm pretty tired anyway :-)

drachenstern

I'm pretty sick, debating taking a pain pill and going to bed or trying to suck down soup

Yi Jiang

Oh, and by the way guys, I've updated the election monitor to work with SU and SF too

Moshe

3:38 AM

Nice @Yij.

mootinator

@YiJiang Hooray. Now I can scrutinize people I don't know in style.

Josh

@waffles sorry I was AFK, couldn't respond. But I love what you did, looks awesome

Yi Jiang

@mootinator But of course!

Josh

@drachenstern oh no! I hope you feel better Cole!

drachenstern

danke

Josh

3:39 AM

Get lots of rest!

drachenstern

bah, rest is for the weak ..

if I didn't feel like shit when I laid down I would ..

Josh

those who are sick and don't rest get weak...

@drachenstern UG :-(

drachenstern

@Josh the warm wishes do help ;)

Josh

10 hours ago, by Josh

It's not much but sometimes it helps to know total strangers on the internet are cheering for you

drachenstern

@Josh Indeed ;)

mootinator

3:42 AM

May a squadron of beautiful vaginas find their way to your crotch by day's end!

Tweeted by Oatmeal on June 24, 2010 at 4:55 PM

Josh

BAHAHAHAHAHA

drachenstern

How intriguing

Josh

@Moshe cover your eyes

I am tempted to flag that as offensive if for no other reason than I'm still bitter that my speaking privileges were revoked earlier today for no good reason!

mootinator

;)

Moshe

1

Q: What's wrong here? (EXC_BAD_ACCESS)

My app crashes during when it tries to round some numbers down. What could e the problem? The debugger shows the first line causes EXC_BAD_ACCESS. - (NSInteger) hebrewCalanderEndDay:(NSInteger)year{ NSInteger monthsElapsed = [[NSNumber numberWithLongLong:floor((235*year-234)/19.0)]integerValue]...

objective-c

Oh man, I messed up the edits again!

Thank you @Josh.

Josh

3:49 AM

Sure :-)

I have been on an editing kick recently XD

Moshe

I guess floor() is not the preferred way to do things in iOS. Strange.

Josh

I am very confused as to why this would puke like it is...

It really doesn't die if you remove the floor?

Moshe

I didnt try. Let me see. Good
Point.

Yi Jiang

►

I can't believe I've never seen this before

Moshe

Loading stack frames now.

Tim Stone

3:56 AM

@YiJiang That's pretty hot

Moshe

@Tim huh?

Tim Stone

WTF?

Sorry

Moshe

It's not floor()

Josh

@Moshe Well it's beyond me, I have done nezt to no ObjC :-(

I upvoted for what's that's worth... GO VOTING RING!!!!

Moshe

Oh. I'm an idiot. Testing...

Josh

3:59 AM

Now, I go watch the Daily Show and then head to bed. Goodnight everyone!

Moshe

@Josh wait.

Josh

@Moshe ...waiting for it...

mootinator

Did somebody say voting ring?

Moshe

Floor returns a double.

mootinator

desperately tries to trigger some heuristics.

Moshe

4:01 AM

Still not fixed, waiting for stack frames.

69%...

@Josh ugh.

Crashing on 'tiny_malloc_from_free_list'.

No clue...

Josh

Sorry, no clue here either

To me it looks like you're working with arrays which you're clearly not :-( Sorry

Moshe

Ok thanks. Gonna go see if @JacobRelkin has any ideas.

Josh

Good luck!

Moshe

Ah haha. ObjC uses brackets for methods.

Tim Stone

EXC_BAD_ACCESS means you've messed up your memory somewhere, probably by not allocating something correctly.

Moshe

4:04 AM

Not arrays. Heh. I see why you might think that. Gnite!

@Tim it would seem so. Not sure how though.

What's the proper way to convert a double to an integer in C?

drachenstern

int myInt = (int)myDouble;

mootinator

attempts to answer a question about a framework he hasn't touched in three years.

Tim Stone

looks at the code

Moshe

Goes to try it...

Tim Stone

Ew, yeah, just type-cast the part inside of floor()

drachenstern

4:08 AM

why would you typecast a double inside a floor to an int?

Moshe

Inside? As in floor((NSInteger)....);?

Tim Stone

You don't need floor at all?

drachenstern

typecast a double to an int should be equivalent to a floor tho, since it truncates everything after the decimal

Tim Stone

Right

Moshe

Let me see.

Tim Stone

4:09 AM

Sorry, I'm playing Minecraft :P

The point was you can remove like 75% of the code

NSInteger is just a typedef of long anyway, so keep that in mind.

Moshe

Still crashing. Long or int?

Tim Stone

If I remember correctly, long, but casting it to an int doesn't make any difference.

Moshe

Ah, makes sense. Still crashing...

Tim Stone

On the same line?

Moshe

Weird. Now the stack stops at the call to that method.

I removed the NSnumber bit and then replaced floor with a cast to NSInteger.

Tim Stone

4:16 AM

What does the whole line look like now / what are you passing to the function to begin with?

Moshe

Can I upload images? Can't type code on iPhone.

Tim Stone

In chat? Yeah, go ahead.

Moshe

Ok posting to twitter then will link to them.

yfrog.com/h3cxgij

Both functions in one photo.

@Tim - posted.

Yi Jiang

What does it mean when Twitter says "Older tweets are temporarily unavailable."

Moshe

Dunno. Know c, @YiJiang?

Rebecca Chernoff

4:25 AM

@YiJiang that they don't know the meaning of temporarily

drachenstern

That their databases are either not responding on time or that the data stores are offline

Yi Jiang

@Moshe Not really, no.

@RebeccaChernoff Hahaha

Tim Stone

@YiJiang Their databases aren't webscale.

Yi Jiang

So it's not a transient error, then?

drachenstern

@YiJiang it should be

Tim Stone

4:26 AM

@Moshe So where does the exception happen now?

drachenstern

@TimStone yeah, cos that's a complaint I would lodge on twitter

Rebecca Chernoff

I...wouldn't hold my breath waiting.

drachenstern

ok people, stick a fork in me ...

Tim Stone

@drachenstern ;)

Moshe

WheN hebrewCalanderEndDay is called.

The first time.

Tim Stone

4:28 AM

And if you comment out that line, does it fail on the next one?

Moshe

I'm kicking myself. I think these calculations can be rewritten in using ObjCs NSCalendar.

Let me see...

Can't comment it out.

Breaks the rest of the function.

Tim Stone

...Right, just assign the variable you assign the return value to to 1 or something on the line above.

Yi Jiang

⌛ is okay on Windows, right?

(The unicode symbol, I mean)

Tim Stone

What is it?

(I can see it, I just can't make out what it is)

Yi Jiang

Hourglass

Tim Stone

4:35 AM

Ah, yeah

Moshe

@Tim that method returns when commented out.

Tim Stone

So both the second and third methods don't throw an exception, only the first?

Moshe

No they do.

When all three are commented out it returns.

Tim Stone

Oh

What calls the function which calls the three other functions?

Moshe

Erm.

Earlz

4:40 AM

meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/41976/… was the best question, ever. lol

Moshe

Oh checking @Tim.

mootinator

What possesses someone with 400 rep to offer a 200 bounty on a simple question with valid answers without explaining why they haven't accepted any of them?

yhbt

@mootinator Cocaine?

hmmm

4:46 AM

@Tim I might be able to replace that code actually.

mootinator

Jan 11 at 2:23, by mootinator

I'm slow at this chat searching thingamer.

Moshe

@Tim. Ugh I give up for now. I obviously have no idea how to use NSIntegers...

Dan Grossman

3

mootinator

Why yes, this is 4chan, isn't it?

Also, unicorns.

Moshe

Hey no Cocaine, I'm on iPhone. Apple would disapprove.

mootinator

4:59 AM

You're right, they might ban StackOverflow.

Dan Grossman

> VIDEO: Kentucky man goes to doctor for circumcision and his whole penis is removed dailytribune.com/articles/2011/01/20/news/…

Moshe

Erm @Dan.

Heh

mootinator

Angry Apple is Angry.

Moshe

notices another 20 stars have been available for 06 minutes and wishes he could waste them on something.

Josh

Ah! My own answer was esited by a user with 54 rep! LOL

Dan Grossman

5:14 AM

0

Q: are there any websites where I can just download images for menus, icons, graphics for web pages etc, w/o having to reference the author

Basically with all the free website images, menu and button icons we have to reference the original source in our web page. Any website that offers them and we can use them freely w/o having to reference anything or anyone?

css image graphics icons

Josh

@waffles new feature seeks to embarrass me even more than I already embarrass myself! :-)

Moshe

@Josh, @Tim -!! Good news.

Josh

Do tell, before I fall asleep :-)

Moshe

The calendar stuff I was doing can be handled by iOS and the NSCalendar class. No more crazy constants or broken conversion methods!

Yay!

Mighty good hot chocolate

Josh

\o/

Moshe

5:23 AM

Yep

Josh

OK. sleepytime for me. Goodnight @Moshe!

mootinator

goes to sleep

Moshe

Night. Oy.

Moshe

5:48 AM

So... Am I he only one here?

Tim Stone

Kind of. :P

Moshe

wonders if now is a good time to spam the chat room to top the active users list

decides against

for now

goes back to calendrical calculation code

Yi Jiang

@TimStone Not really

Although I need to go out for lunch

Tim Stone

:P

Jin

my wife is a rep junkie now on sci-fi.se...

Tim Stone

5:52 AM

Hahah, really?

Moshe

Lunch?

Jin

yeah. she reads like 1 thick sci-fi/fantasy book a week, or more

Moshe

Aaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!

Yi Jiang

@Jin Damn... even I'm not that dedicated

Jin

Anna, Northern Virginia

325 8

books recommendations mars colonization orson-scott-card treason film

Yi Jiang

5:54 AM

Need more comments on this: dl.dropbox.com/u/1722364/Stack%20Overflow/Elections/…

Tim Stone

Heheh, nice.

@YiJiang Can we get a loader spinner? ;)

Yi Jiang

@TimStone I've got a loading sequence almost ready. Just need to flip the switch and do a bit of testing

<div id="loading">
	<h2>Reticulating Splines</h2>
	<ul>
		<li id="load-init">Loading elections page using YQL</li>
		<li id="load-profile">Loading user profile on main site<li>
		<li id="load-tag">Loading user tag information</li>
		<li id="load-badge">Loading badge information</li>
		<li id="load-meta">Loading Meta profiles</li>
		<li id="load-activity">Loading user activity</li>
	</ul>
</div>

Tim Stone

Honestly, I'm pretty impressed with that page.

Moshe

Honestly, it won't load or show signs of
Loading on iPhone 4

prays that the code works...

Well, didn't crash.

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