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Tim Stone

4:00 PM

Hm, it might have been deleted.

checks history

Ah, yep.

meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/74670/plz-explain-this-code

But the title is actually "PLZ EXPLAIN THIS CODE"

Popular Demand

@drachenstern A classic, but there are now far too many answers on it.

drachenstern

As I said, just for kicks

Popular Demand

@TimStone Oh, ha. I do remember that one, now.

Tim Stone

Remind me to never allow myself to write a Swing GUI again.

This code is..horrendous.

Popular Demand

@TimStone Please don't say that. I'm just starting my first Swing project.

Tim Stone

4:04 PM

Well, your code doesn't have to be terrible. Just...don't do things like I apparently did. ;)

Also, if you have the choice, use MigLayout, as it is great and does all things, like the jQuery of Swing.

Popular Demand

@TimStone I was dangerously close to flagging that for being an actual, legitimately useful message, but then I saw the jQuery reference. Thanks for the rec!

Tim Stone

The guy who wrote it happens to also be a Swedish fighter pilot, so you know things are starting out on an awesome foot.

Hm, somewhere within these 1.8K lines of code is the text box I want to change..

drachenstern

@TimStone does your interface language not have handy things like .Text = that you could grep on?

Tim Stone

The GUI is hand-written, and I couldn't remember what the field was called. :P

But I found it.

drachenstern

ktbs.com/non-stop-news/26459367/detail.html

Tim Stone

4:16 PM

Wow, that's pretty coincidental.

> "It just happened. It really did. It is a huge coincidence, but it just worked out that way," said Lee.

"Nah, we waited. Wanted to time it right. Figured we'd go for the buzzer beater"

drachenstern

> "I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of rootkits suddenly cried out in terror."

tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1947630&cid=34848782

ooooh, OBing /. posts ... interesting concept

Tim Stone

Hahah

drachenstern

> No, "obligatory" is not a synonym for "predictable" or "unfunny." Cut it out.

Tim Stone

And wow, really? They couldn't even correct the title of that post?

drachenstern

Yeah I noticed that

Michael Mrozek

4:18 PM

Slashdot commenters -- always a paragon of civility

drachenstern

go kill ten minutes htwins.net/scale

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it saddens me to see that he forgot the turtles :(

Yi Jiang

I wonder if this is the right place to do A/B testing, but here goes... dl.dropbox.com/u/1722364/Garden/garden.html - click on the small 'White Background, Black Font' button at the bottom of the nav bar, ignore the nav

radp

@TimStone Slashdot articles being edited are pretty rare.

@YiJiang I prefer the original colour scheme personally.

@YiJiang Also nice work on the nav I'm ignoring.

drachenstern

4:35 PM

@YiJiang what's the A/B test? Which do we prefer? I like elements of both. I think the code highlights getting darker is "bad"

EndangeredMassa

@YiJiang I prefer the colored background version. Also, the nav transitions are cool, even though you said to ignore the nav. =P

radp

@YiJiang article code's font-size rule should be relative -- see "The length property"

(also, I personally already had adjusted the default size for code fonts, so the page looks fine for me without that rule :P)

obviously not something you can assume of the internet at large.

drachenstern

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

seriously? What do I have to do, regex on the server?

the server gets etss\\cbrand

Yi Jiang

@radp What do you mean by that?

radp

@YiJiang article code and article h3 code are both large the same.

One example of article h3 code is that header I quoted.

balpha

4:49 PM

@drachenstern that's awesome

drachenstern

just wish it were mine :p

Josh

5:11 PM

@drachenstern Sweet

Vector graphics FTW!

I feel like I'm in Brainstorm, LOL

Brainstorm (1983 film)

Brainstorm is a 1983 science fiction film directed by Douglas Trumbull and starring Christopher Walken and Natalie Wood (in her last film appearance). Plot A team of scientists invents "The Hat", a helmet that allows sensations to be read from a person's brain and written to tape so that others can experience them. The team includes estranged husband-and-wife, Michael and Karen Brace (Walken and Wood), and Michael's colleague Lillian Reynolds (Fletcher). The team demonstrates the device and gains financing for more development. One of the team members creates a "sex tape," which he ...

drachenstern

whoa, I'll have to get that ... thanks

Josh

Classic computer sci-fi movie. Filmed here in RTP if I'm not mistaken...

Yeah:

> Filming Locations: Duke University, Durham, North Carolina, USA | North Carolina, USA | Outer Banks, North Carolina, USA | Pinehurst, North Carolina, USA | Raleigh, North Carolina, USA | Research Triangle Park, North Carolina, USA | Wright Brothers National Monument - Route 158, Kill Devil Hills, North Carolina, USA

amazon.com/BrainStorm/dp/B000LJAEFG

Oh, the survey results were released!

I was supposed to have gotten an email!

drachenstern

5:30 PM

@Josh me too

:(

Josh

Wow, Web Application Developer beat out all other occupations by a whopping margin. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised by that, but the difference (40.3% vs 15% for Desktop Developer) seems larger than I expected

@drachenstern Link's on the blog

Stack Overflow Blog: Survey Says

Posted by Alison Sperling on January 11th, 2011

In December we launched the Stack Overflow Annual User Survey in order to measure the user demographics that Google Analytics can’t provide us with. Finding out the user demographics became necessary due to the growth that Stack Overflow had in 2010.

Of the 2,813 surveys started, 2,532 were completed, for a completion rate of 90%! Thank you to everyone who participated.

Now, for some interesting facts ripped from the headlines:

Job Satisfaction ReadWriteWeb reported that according to a Gartner analyst, more than 1/3 of IT professionals are interested in switching jobs. …

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Wow. I just posted a "Hi new user, this is a dupe" comment and OP deleted the question before I could vote to close.

Yi Jiang

Hmmm... do you guys prefer serif body font or sans body font? dl.dropbox.com/u/1722364/Garden/garden.html Second option in the bottom nav thingy

Josh

@PopularDemand Wow, a new user with respect? jaw drops

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I kinda wish I had a way to tell him that it's okay to have occasional dupes with different wording.

Josh

5:31 PM

(j/k)

radp

@YiJiang again, I prefer the default.

@PopularDemand "see also ..." "related question: ..." "similar question: ..."

drachenstern

choose a different font for the sans, the current sans is not as nice as the current serif

Popular Demand

@radp ?

Michael Myers

Yesterday I saw a new user who posted a non-answer. Someone commented that this is not how Stack Overflow works; he should have edited his question instead. And you know what? He actually did!

radp

@MichaelMyers Screenshot, or it didn't happen!

Yi Jiang

5:33 PM

@drachenstern Erm... it's Arial. You're not on OS X by any chance?

radp

@PopularDemand That is, choose a different wording that doesn't match the close reason

drachenstern

I'm not

Michael Myers

... I wish I remembered who commented on it.

drachenstern

@MichaelMyers link so we can upvote the noob

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Yi Jiang

scratch head seriously? Arial not looking good?

Popular Demand

5:34 PM

To @MichaelMyers's activity list!

Brendan

Just a drive by post to advertise a 2nd hand 'Happy Hacking Keyboard Lite II' for sale in the UK (see stackoverflow.com/questions/687/keyboard-for-programmers/…) - 50 squid o.n.o. black with markings ...

Michael Myers

I didn't take any action because none was necessary, so I don't know if I can find it.

drachenstern

not to me, not in this case, too narrow

the spacing is wildly different on the letters

(comparing sans to serif)

Josh

Wow only 7.7% of users surveyed are developing SaaS projects. That really surprises me given that 40.3% are web application developers!

Yi Jiang

@drachenstern Not possible, hmmm... You're on Windows, right? Not using Chrome, yes?

Josh

5:35 PM

I guess I'm in the minority there!

drachenstern

I am using chrome

If my product gets installed on their server does that make it a SaaS?

Yi Jiang

@drachenstern Try using something else, we're still trying to work around a Chrome bug

drachenstern

I figured the SaaS were Amazon EC3 etc

Popular Demand

Apropos of nothing, I finally got around to installing the For the Glory demo. It looks... involved.

drachenstern

@YiJiang oh, mkay.

Yi Jiang

5:36 PM

Though it shouldn't have anything to do with letter kerning

Josh

@drachenstern No.

@drachenstern My company develops SaaS. Our customers pay us a monthly fee in order to use our software

I.E. it's hosted on our servers, you can't install it on your server

Like Salesforce.com

Yi Jiang

Need to sleep, gosh it's bloody late. Bye guys, though still ping me with your comments on that page, yawn

Josh

@YiJiang Goodnight!

drachenstern

@Josh yeah ours doesn't fall into that

@YiJiang oh dear, I was about to upload an image, ttyt

I prefer the one on the left

Josh

HA! Looks like only 16 other cool kids besides myself took the survey! Only 0.7% of us call Meta our favorite place XD

Michael Myers

5:39 PM

@Josh I was wondering who the 17 sad people were.

Josh

@MichaelMyers 16 more to discover ;-)

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@Josh And they -- I mean, we -- all hang out -- wait, no, I did mean "they" -- here in The Tavern.

Tim Stone

@Josh I think I answered SO, and then realized that was actually very wrong. :P

Josh

LOL

Michael Myers

"Chat" wasn't a choice, was it?

Josh

5:41 PM

Yeah I figured chat counts, so my Meta time far exceeds any other site now, LOL

drachenstern

@MichaelMyers I don't think so ... and was that survey before I started hanging out here? :p

Josh

@MichaelMyers Nope. But since this is Meta chat I counted it as Meta

@drachenstern I don't think so, I took it in December

drachenstern

So Josh I remember what I was gonna ask you about the movie you posted earlier, is it anything like Primer?

Tim Stone

@drachenstern It appeared in advertisements on SO, in a post on Meta (I think), and also in a blog post. :P

drachenstern

oh I took it, I just forgot when it was out

notice the overly inflated stats for LA :p

Tim Stone

5:42 PM

Oh, hahah

drachenstern

we are an important cross section OBVIOUSLY

Tim Stone

I was actually quite surprised by the number of people who responded from my state, heh

drachenstern

(actually I think it just happened that the owner had a home here because we have a second office of nearly comparable size in Austin)

Josh

I thought there'd be more from NC!

Tim Stone

CSS was an option on "languages"?

>_>

Josh

5:46 PM

So was SQL! >:o

@TimStone Because it was so low or so high?

Tim Stone

@Josh It was higher than I expected. ;)

drachenstern

if everyone knows SQL why is dba.SE getting so little love? :p

balpha

Actually, CSS deserves to be treated a little bit more like a programming language. People tend to say "meh, just copy/paste/type/delete/rinse/repeat/add "!important" until it works. If CSS was treated more like code, it would make working with it a little easier.

drachenstern

@balpha and if it was treated more like a design language then people might understand it's about layout and treat it differently too :p

Tim Stone

@balpha When people start treating CSS like code, you get people who assign a unique class to each element.

@drachenstern Because there are only 23 DBAs :P

drachenstern

5:49 PM

lmao

Tim Stone

WTF?

drachenstern

23? why the clarification?

wtf wtw?

Tim Stone

drachenstern

interesting behavior, I cannot repro ...

Tim Stone

/blames @balpha

drachenstern

5:51 PM

damnit, one upvote from a "Nice answer" 10+ badge :(

ah well

in other news by staying off dba.SE I jumped up 10 spots yesterday :S

Tim Stone

@drachenstern Just going by the survey :P

Josh

@TimStone I just can't figure out where you are, LOL

ok headed to lunch, bbl!

drachenstern

my boss has magic powers

he knows that I posted an out of date version of the software when I cloned it from the hg head

Tim Stone

@Josh I know. Conveniently that response covers all of the applicable states.

drachenstern

of a week ago ... seriously, what's outdated?

I should run a directory diff on the old source and the just downloaded head version

for the record, there is one difference in one file in the whole effing project

> you posted an outdated vs of PRODUCTNAME please post the latest ... thanks

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH WTF

Popular Demand

6:05 PM

Hey, user profiles have tag scores now.

drachenstern

@PopularDemand queue the meta on those have hand cursors and they're not actionable

or should I go ahead and put it up so it's a matter of record?

Popular Demand

@drachenstern It's all you!

drachenstern

lol

radp

drachenstern

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Q: Mouse pointer turns to hand icon on tag score [Profile Page]

RELATED Mouse pointer turns to hand icon on favorite icon [Profile Page] User profiles page now includes tag scores, the score turns to a hand on hover. It's not an actionable item. I figure if we're tracking one we're tracking another.

bug

Lance Roberts

6:25 PM

@shog, let me know when you drop in

Ivo Wetzel

@radp In case you're interest I can give you commit access to the garden repo

radp

@IvoWetzel I suck at Javascript :)

I belong to your audience more than anything

Ivo Wetzel

@radp I suck at writing :D No really, I could need some help there, YiJiang already did some copy editing here and there but he's mainly focused on the stylesheet of the resulting website

drachenstern

6:42 PM

I want this on my iPhone > techcrunch.com/2011/01/12/android-translations

Shog9

Just dropped in to agree that Ivo sucks at writing

drachenstern

lmao

@Shog9 see :447940

Ivo Wetzel

@Shog9 !

Shog9

@IvoWetzel!

@LanceRoberts Oddly enough, this didn't push a notification to the SupercolliderDropdownMadnessConglamorator

@balpha, your code sucks

(who else can I annoy... Hmm...)

Ivo Wetzel

Once again... I think kitten should join the tavern

Rebecca Chernoff

6:45 PM

...

balpha

@Shog9 What my code does in its free time is none of my business

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drachenstern

@Shog9 because you hadn't been here in a while or you logged out

Rebecca Chernoff

@IvoWetzel I object. (:

drachenstern

if anything deserves a star ...

Shog9

@drachenstern well, that's lame

Ivo Wetzel

6:46 PM

@RebeccaChernoff Don't worry, it will stay in the tavern to provide us with programming quotes

drachenstern

@Shog9 I didn't write the code ;)

In other news: LUNCH

:p

Shog9

Just finished breakfast!

drachenstern

says the salaried employee who doesn't really adhere to a "lunch schedule"

Shog9

(waffles, with blackberry syrup)

Rebecca Chernoff

Yeah, really don't think we need that bot in here.

Tim Stone

6:47 PM

@drachenstern No, it's because it hadn't gone unacknowledged long enough to get pushed to the multicollider. :P

Shog9

We need Welbog to port Kevbot to Chat.SO

drachenstern

oh lord, a newb EVEN on MSO? What is the world coming to? ...

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Q: How do I add code while writing comments?

How do I add code while writing comments and how do I enter a newline character?

discussion comments

@TimStone are you sure? Mine seem to hit the collider pretty quick

check the comments on the post ... hmmm

Tim Stone

Yes.

drachenstern

@TimStone but it was at least twenty minutes, no? ... I'll have to time those in the future

Want to know what 128 CPUs and 342GB of Ram looks like? http://tinyurl.com/4cmrz85 http://tinyurl.com/4fg7m5r #ScaleMP #FutureGrid

Tweeted by ayounge on January 12, 2011 at 6:47 PM

hey @Zypher there's some toys to play with ;)

Zypher

oooo

:( i was hoping for hardware pics

Tim Stone

6:52 PM

@Zypher Me too :(

Oh employees, interrupting my Forza playing..

Michael Petrotta

comment flags in 10k tools has reintroduced me to the illustrious Col. Shrapnel.

Josh

Ah so close! I only need +3 before I can edit on SF!

Tim Stone

@MichaelPetrotta Don't you feel so fortunate?

Michael Petrotta

ever so.

drachenstern

Josh link me to something ;)

Ivo Wetzel

6:56 PM

@MichaelPetrotta So you're telling me that it's a bad thing reaching 10k nowadays? :P

drachenstern

#VotingRing what where?

Ivo Wetzel

@drachenstern Ring? I thought it was called the voting Mafia (at least over in the JS room)

Michael Petrotta

@Ivo: only if you've got a bit of OCD, like me. "There's something wrong on SO, I must fix it!"

Ivo Wetzel

@MichaelPetrotta :(

Michael Petrotta

Oh yeah Ivo, you're getting kind of close there, huh?

Ivo Wetzel

6:59 PM

Anyways I should answer some JS question instead of rewriting the guide...

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@IvoWetzel The mafia is a different creature:

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A: The Many Memes of Meta

Meme: SO Mafia Originator: Unknown Cultural Height: Throughout 2009 Background: Originally known as the TDWTF Mafia, the SO Mafia is a group of users led by HE WHO SHALL NOT BE NAMED who hang around on IRC (#somafia on slashnet) deciding which users get to live or die. They quiet the voices by...

Ivo Wetzel

@PopularDemand Yea, but that's the SO Mafia, I was talking about the voting Mafia

Popular Demand

@IvoWetzel Bah. There isn't enough room for two mafias here.

@IvoWetzel As for your reaching 10k question...

3

Q: Has anyone out there tried to stop gaining rep so as to not surpass 10k?

I recently discovered, or possibly rediscovered, that all deleted items are "forced-visible to all 10k users all the time." I never considered rep gain to be something with a downside before, especially because there's no way to directly message a non-diamond 10k user to ask for something to be ...

discussion reputation 10k-tools

drachenstern

Not without a protection fee at least

Ivo Wetzel

What's up with this auto completion?

Typing @ P <tab> results in "Josh"

Shog9

7:02 PM

@ P

Popular Demand

status-no-repro

Shog9

Nope...

Michael Petrotta

@Ivo: nope, I see Pop

Ivo Wetzel

Now it only gives me Pekka... strange

Maybe an issues with the latest FX Nightly who knows

Josh

@drachenstern sorry boss in office BRB

Michael Petrotta

7:04 PM

Can the mafia help me "remove" MichaelMyers and MichaelMrozek? I'd prefer to be the only Michael here.

too much notification spam

Michael Myers

@MichaelPetrotta Who's got the blue name here?

Michael Petrotta

oh, CRAP! runs for cover

Popular Demand

@MichaelPetrotta You may want to talk to Marco Gravell.

Lance Roberts

@Shog9, It turns out the fix didn't work for Agent Ransack, the config file had already been set right. I took a screenshot, but forgot too bring the stick it's on to post it.

@Shog9, On the thin client issue, one other point is that if the network goes down, then everyone is unable to work, instead of just those who need network data.

Shog9

@LanceRoberts yeah, it's a trade-off.

save some maintenance headaches, at the cost of proper maintenance being that much more important.

drachenstern

7:11 PM

@Josh it's ok, I'm on mobile safari

@Popular - I see what you did on MSO ;)

Josh

Thanks @drachenstern!

Now it's time to clean up serverfault!!

Josh

7:33 PM

Does anyone know what "PADSS" means?

My boss just asked me, said someone asked if we were PCI compliant and they said that no, they meant PADDS compliant

Zypher

Errm

PCIDSS is the Full abbreviation of PCI

Payment Card Industry Data Security Standard

Fosco

PA = Payment Application
DSS = Data Security Standard

citixsys.com/blog/emerging-trends/the-skinny-on-pci-compliance

Zypher

oh god it's getting worse

Josh

@Fosco and @Zypher Great, thanks!

@Zypher what is?

Zypher

PCI

Josh

7:40 PM

Oh. heh

it's a pain in the ass :-(

Moshe

status-here

I just reposted an old app that I removed for a while.

radp

@YiJiang Out of curiosity, how come do you have all those crashes? I've yet to have any... although my air traffic really isn't that busy.

Moshe

The website was down.

It is going back up.

Ivo Wetzel

Ugh, people expect us to convert their Java encryption stuff to JS? ...

drachenstern

@radp ... He does it by the power of jQuery of course

Ivo Wetzel

7:50 PM

Ah, I love those random down votes on my answers

Moshe

@IvoWetzel - Where?

...waits for it...

Ivo Wetzel

-1

A: Has there been any work done towards running Objective-J code in a node.js process?

Your title is a bit confusing, in case you want to load .plist files as JavaScript Objects you could take a look at the the node-plist module. I tried to install it via npm but one of its dependencies needs some additional stuff in order to compile. You should take a look at the README of libxm...

The title is... strange, his question looks like he wants to work with plist files in node.js

Michael Mrozek

Things like that are why chat gets accused of being a vote ring

Ivo Wetzel

@MichaelMrozek I don't see a problem there.... I see a way bigger problem with "how do I get the width of an element with jQuery" questions giving people +10 in under one minute

Michael Mrozek

@IvoWetzel It's not like those are mutually exclusive

radp

7:57 PM

I always thought of Chat as a down voting ring.

Ivo Wetzel

@radp Or a close voting ring

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@IvoWetzel chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/rooms/227/regulator-headquarters

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