Tavern on the Meta

Chacha102

00:22

So someone be trying to rename me tavern?

Har har! Let us see the dull, insignificant names you drunkards have come up with...

George Marian

@Chacha102 I dunno, we came up with some good ones.

It's not so much trying to rename the tavern, but rather trying to give it a name. :)

Michael Mrozek

01:07

Gah. I left the chat open on my home computer, and it's apparently pre-destruction of bouncy. Those dark, dark times

George Marian

02:15

Yo @Shog9 wassup.

Shog9

eh, George, busy drinking

best time to participate in betas ;-)

George Marian

A good thing to be busy with.

Shog9

gettin' ready to cook up a grilled tuna sandwich & then process peaches

George Marian

lol Are you participating in the programmers.se?

Shog9

yeah

George Marian

02:17

I'm about to chow down on some burgers myself.

Shog9

still no idea what the subject matter is 'sposed to be

BURGERS!

man, i love a good burger

George Marian

@Shog9 Basically, crap that would be off-topic on SO.

Fishtoaster

Subject matter for programmers is more or less "whatever SO rejects"

Shog9

I generally grind lean chuck with bacon, coursely, and form lose patties before grilling to medium rare

George Marian

@Shog9 They definitely smell good. Dunno what is the hold-up. Where's ma food, woman? ;)

Shog9

02:18

FOR BURGERS, NOT NPR QUESTIONS

George Marian

mmm....bacon!

Shog9

BACON!

George Marian

Getting closer to being in a new place. The GF and I are crashing at friend's house. Patience is wearing thin all around.

Shog9

ah, I know the feeling

(but from the host's side of things, sadly)

George Marian

I tend to be the host, as well. Alas, being unemployed kinda puts a damper on hosting.

Shog9

02:21

ah, a shame

where are you at, George?

George Marian

I hope we get in the place we liked. It's just a tad more than what I was hoping to pay, but still affordable with good budgeting & discipline. The extra space will be well worth it and the neighborhood seems nice an quiet.

@Shog9 The Seattle area. Across the sound, on the west side. Hopefully, I'll find something in Seattle propper for work.

Shog9

oh, beautiful area, good for you

i always enjoy Washington / Oregon - it's like a slightly more exotic version of the midwest

George Marian

Yeah, I like the area. Not so much the road surfaces. WTF? If there's no snow, you don't need chains!

Shog9

yeah, you should see the roads out here... Good in ski towns, horrible everywhere else

George Marian

lol where are you?

Shog9

02:36

they don't even bother with storm drains in a lot of places - just big ditches across the roads (with deep gouges where previous vehicles have crossed too quickly and scraped)

@GeorgeMarian SE Colorado

George Marian

Ah, yes. I have a friend in Fort Collins and another friend was in Boulder for a while.

Shog9

heh, the college towns ;-)

George Marian

Yup. Boulder was pretty cool. I don't think I ever visited Fort Collins. But my friend that was in Boulder was there for his PHD.

Shog9

found the 2nd-best pizza in CO in Ft Collins

delicious crust - thick, yeasty, flavorful

Shog9

03:39

aw, man... I just realized i had leftover tzatziki sauce i could have used on the sandwiches

George Marian

04:00

@Shog9 tzatziki sauce?

Shog9

something like that

yoghurt with cucumber, lemon, garlic

pepper

something

good stuff ;-p

George Marian

interesting...

allrecipes.com//Recipe/tzatziki-sauce/Detail.aspx

Shog9

yeah, that's the stuff

George Marian

Ok, I can see how that would be tasty.

Shog9

made it up the other night for bbq chicken in pocket bread, had some left over

George Marian

04:04

I always like to use up leftovers. Remembering them is the hard part.

Shog9

that's what casserole is for... ;-p

George Marian

lol

Sathya

greetings, folks.

George Marian

Hello @Sathya.

Sathya

Hi @George

Shog9

04:10

evning

Sathya

Evening @Shog9

George Marian

Someone please notify me, I want to test something.

Sathya

@GeorgeMarian test what ?

George Marian

ESC doesn't seem to clear the (*) from the title.

Do it again, please.

Sathya

@GeorgeMarian OK. trying again

George Marian

04:17

Interesting, did they change the bouncing avatar?

Shog9

yeah - it is no more

George Marian

Thanks @Sathya

Shog9

you get a # next to your entryfield now

Sathya

Indeed. .get an iOS style notification counter on my avatar @Shog9 @GeorgeMarian

George Marian

@Shog9 Yah, I noticed that. I figured that was in addition. heh

Ok, apparently ESC doesn't clear it anymore? I guess that makes sense, as it is no longer necessary.

Michael Mrozek

04:22

@GeorgeMarian That's debatable; I'd expect it to clear the number on your gravatar instead

George Marian

@MichaelMrozek Yah, but only because we expect that from the previous functionality. Not that I wouldn't like having ESC clear it.

An argument against it would be accidentally hitting ESC clearing it. But, how often down one hit ESC accidentally?

An argument of it is clearing the notification w/o cycling through notifications.

Sekhat

07:24

Morning

Lasse V. Karlsen

Morning

Lance Roberts

morning

11:30 pm here

Sekhat

How are you this fine morning?

08:30 for me

Lance Roberts

Called into work to fix something, wishing I was still in bed.

Sekhat

Should of took your bed with you :p

We've got our first bit of fog since summer..

Lance Roberts

07:32

Saw my first fall fog just this last week

Sekhat

Couple of hundred metres of visibility at best.

Oooo if i move quick i might get the early bus

Wahey

Lasse V. Karlsen

Anyone else updated to Chrome 6 and have problems?

Seems to be something broken around content retrieval, broken images, whole sites not working

Anyone else had any problems?

Sekhat

Not updated yet.

Lance Roberts

I gave on Chrome early on when it wouldn't stop working my harddrive. I'll try it again someday, but I'm in no hurry.

Sekhat

O_o not noticed that myself.

Lasse V. Karlsen

07:44

If you update, make a copy of the software folder before you do, in case you want to revert

I'm contemplating finding the installation files for Chrome 5 and downgrading

balpha

@devinb I certainly was.

@badp it's mercurial, but still... :)

badp

@balpha Good point :)

I should've known, I don't think Git tries to use sequential numbering

Diago

@balpha Morning, Check the transcript a few hours back, we had a memorial for bouncy. @devinb did an eulogy and everything :)

balpha

oh, I saw it

that's my "I certainly was" above

Diago

Ah..... Right. Brain is not awake. I am going back to my corner now.

Lasse V. Karlsen

07:48

sequentially numbered changesets has no meaning in mercurial or git

balpha

well, you can use them (in mercurial, anyway), but they're usually not identical on different clones of the same repo

hence it's always safer to use the hash

badp

Sure, except I didn't know what the hash for that revision was :)

balpha

b6e2f3082147

Lasse V. Karlsen

08:24

Have any of you guys updated to Chrome 6 yet?

badp

I'm using Chrome 7

does it count?

Lasse V. Karlsen

ok, can you try this:
http://ejournal.gatsoft.no/scripts/customer.exe

Do you get a page? or an error?

badp

Asks for HTTP authentication

Lasse V. Karlsen

Ok, so you get a page

Ok, trying 7 it is then

I just get an error message

Works on IE8 and FireFox, but not Chrome 6

badp

09:03

My trust in Win7, UAC, Ltd Accounts, Microsoft Security Essentials and Chrome 7 was crippled yesterday when Antispyware Doctor made it to my system thanks to weask.us

However, I'm looking at MSE's removal logs and EVERYTHING bad is in my user folder or user registry.

Which means that if shit is bad enough all I have to do is get myself a new user account, then nuke the old user account home folder from orbit.

And again own my computer.

Take that you motherfrowners! =)

Lasse V. Karlsen

Apparently the Chrome problem with our internal support system is related to authentication

Chrome apparently doesn't understand the basic authentication request from that site any more

I stuffed the username and password into the URL and it works again

badp

Nice, you can use bookmarks to login? With the password stored nicely in plaintext? :D

I sincerely hope your userbase doesn't find out

Does anybody have a WinCE emulator handy?

Lasse V. Karlsen

Not our system, it's internal-only

badp

5

Q: Nethack for Windows Mobile

Hi all, I'm looking for a good version of Nethack to run on my Windows Mobile phone. I currently have Windows NetHack graphical version 3.4.3, and it kind of drives me a little nuts, moreso from a usability and playability standpoint. I don't know if this is because I'm trying to run it on a p...

Lasse V. Karlsen

The CRM system we use

And besides, it is hopelessly broken in so many ways that one more doesn't matter

They've probably done everything they can do wrong

badp

09:10

Reminds me of the TDWTF interview

> Then they showed me two half pages of code in PHP. They told me to look at the code carefully and, if I wanted to change anything, write on the paper what I would change and why. They left me to it for about twenty minutes. I was certain that they had set me up with a TDWTF-style interview, where they'd pick out a fun code WTF (actually, it looked like this one ) and have me turn a convoluted two-page mess into a two lines of code.

2

> When they came back, I complimented them on the clever examples of bad code and presented them with my rewrite. One of interviewers — the chattier of the two — didn't say another word; he was clearly upset, and I was half-concerned it might get physical. The other guy was a bit better, but he also wore a rather large frown on his face. "This is from our production code", was the reply.

2

Lasse V. Karlsen

Yeah, I read that one today :)

badp

09:57

Man, Youtube's WEBM codec is a performance hog

Too often I have to pause the video because the movie stutters and as a result video and sound desync

badp

10:43

So this WinCE emulator is useless for this question

might as well see how it handles chat :D

Sekhat

@LasseVKarlsen I have no problem using chrome 6, I get an authentication box

Unless you've changed something since..

badp

here goes...

aww, it doesn't even try to run the javascript

Who woulda thunk, you can't chat with Windows CE.

Diago

Hmm... Seems like my new ISP is definitely worth the money.

Lasse V. Karlsen

I think it fails on my machine since it can match the authentication token with my domain account

badp

@Diago Always nice to hear.

Lasse V. Karlsen

10:48

but then fails to handle the authentication response, or something

I can see from the debug log that it received an authentication token from the server, and then it fails

badp

@LasseVKarlsen I'm afraid that's computer-talk for "The system hates me!"

Lasse V. Karlsen

Oh, nothing new there, as I said, this CRM system is basically a poster-child for how not to do things

It's probably good for CRM-things, but we've pressed it into service as a bugtracker as well

So I've taken up maintaining all my tasks in parallel with FogBugz, just adding links back to the other system

badp

FogBugz: the perfect backup solution when your enterprise blogging solution just won't cut it as a bug tracker

Lasse V. Karlsen

yep

badp

(Somehow I don't think that's the kind of advertisement Joel would use :P)

Lasse V. Karlsen

10:51

There's close to 15 fields I have to fill out in order to add a task, and if I don't fill them out correctly, the bug vanishes into the void

badp

on Fogbugz?

I've never used it so...

Lasse V. Karlsen

No, our internal system

fogbugz is lean and mean and smart

FogBugz just works, this other system, I don't know what it does, but "work" is not part of the description

badp

> It probably means your system is as usable as a volleyball made of razor blades (wilhelm scream), and almost as fun to use.

from youtube.com/watch?v=KiLGCO5yDzY

Peter

I'm getting sick of answering people's questions that don't even care anymore.

finish what u started damnit!

From now on I'll only answer questions for people with a rep > 500!

badp

11:31

I don't have 500 rep :(

(on SU)

Diago

@badp For?

badp

39 mins ago, by Peter

From now on I'll only answer questions for people with a rep > 500!

Diago

Ah... I get it.

badp

11:52

Woo, that brings the record to 5 self answers out of 7 on SU

(was 5/6)

Fosco

12:59

2

Q: Program LED with just USB port

I want to control LED with C# using only USB port. I don't want to attach any other device with USB. I just want to attach LED directly to USB port pins and program it (blink etc). How can i do that? I am new to hardware programming and it will be my first program.

hardware usb

Benjol

13:16

MacGyver could do it :)

Josh

Morning everyone

Fosco

Morning

Benjol

Afternoon.

I'm going to miss the Happy Hour :(

Fosco

It's right in line with when I could actually be at a bar.

Josh

@Benjol We'll have a special second one just for you :) I could go for two Happy Hours today xD

Benjol

13:28

Well, if it's any later, it'll be tomorrow for me :)

Josh

@Benjol Really? Well then screw it, I declare it Happy Day! Drinks all around. It's Friday, no need to do work today anyway! :-D

Benjol

Yup, bottoms up :)

Fosco

The Empty Glass

3

badp

Actually there is this "Happy hour" event conveniently planned at 23:00Z for this chatroom

which is 1am for me :/

Benjol

and midnight for me, but I'll be asleep by then (I hope)

badp

13:38

@Benjol Are you in the UK or Portugal?

Benjol

No CEST, me. Swissland

badp

Zulu is not DST adjusted :)

So you have to add two hours, not one.

Benjol

I didn't adjust anything, I just added 9 hours to my current time (which was 'around' 15.30, so I rounded down)

let's say 00:42, as of now

badp

Oh, I see.

Benjol

anyway, happy hour for me is in 15min :)

Josh

13:46

@Benjol Enjoy it! I'm off to a meeting instead :-(

Benjol

ok, have fun then :)

Josh

You too! I have a feeling you're more likely to than I am ;-)

rchern

Do you ever get an answer and feel like you're 99% sure they're totally on the wrong track...but there's that 1% nagging doubt that maybe you're just too stupid to realize some subtle cleverness?

Or is that just me? >_>

Fosco

@rchern there's always that 1% chance :)

@rchern did you weigh in on the /me meta question?..

5

Q: IRC-like /me command for chat

Apologies if this is a duplicate or belongs elsewhere. I love the "action" command /me in IRC, and think it would be fun to have in the chat. So a message like: /me loves the new chat system Would show up as: Josh loves the new chat system Rather than: Josh: loves the new chat sys...

feature-request chat

My answer got 3 up 3 down.. boo.

rchern

Oof, it's on my task list!

Is he just not noticing the part where I say with a gmail address it doesn't let you choose smtp settings? Otherwise I'd just specify google's smtp... webapps.stackexchange.com/questions/4469/…

Fosco

14:00

@rchern yeah they are all wrong answers..

rchern

Thought so, but it just seems so blatantly wrong that you wonder...they had to have some reason for answering lol.

Fosco

They just want reputation, I would imagine.. especially the third one about googlemail.com

@rchern I've heard about some multi-gmail extensions or features that allows you to be logged into to multiple accounts..

gmailblog.blogspot.com/2010/08/…

If logging into them at the same time and switching between them is sufficient, let me know if I should answer as such :)

rchern

It's what I'm leaning towards, but I really don't want to.

I want them in the same spot dammit! :p

Lasse V. Karlsen

The whole "/me" discussion is a bikeshed problem

Just decide and tell everyone the decision is final

Fosco

@LasseVKarlsen hehe.. i know, but it's kind of amusing arguing about it..

JSBangs

14:32

this may be totally uncouth, but.... I can get the Reversal badge w/ six more upvotes to this answer: stackoverflow.com/questions/1625281/…

does vote-begging like that make me look needy?

Fosco

@JSBangs +1 from me.

JSBangs

woo!

Josh

14:53

@JSBangs +1 -- not because of the reversal badge, because that's a good answer :-)

@LasseVKarlsen I agree it's a trivial argument. I'll be accepting an answer soon

For now I agree with @Fosco, it's amusing arguing about it :-)

Joe Phillips

What's on tap today?

Josh

@JoePhillips Whatever Google Images is serving up! :-) What would you like?

@JoePhillips Perhaps:

Joe Phillips

awesome

This would be better though

Fosco

What about:

t0.gstatic.com/…

doh

Josh

@JoePhillips That does sound good

Fosco

15:06

This brewery makes 2 beers.. Damnation, and Salvation

I split a ~$20 bottle with a friend... great stuff.

Joe Phillips

@Fosco which brewery is that?

Josh

@Fosco That's so great. I've been wanting to try those for a while...

Fosco

Russian River Brewing Co

beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/863/12770

an A- review on there after over 600 reviews..

wow it's dead in here on friday

Joe Phillips

Resurrect this place

Josh

@Fosco sorry, other devs here are talking to me...

planning when to release beta4 & beta5

Shog9

15:22

@JoePhillips The Drunken Revenant?

Popular Demand

@Josh since when are you the barkeep here?

Josh

@PopularDemand I just help out when you're gone ;-)

Popular Demand

@JSBangs It is uncouth, and it does smack of neediness. But it's a good answer, so +1. I'm not sure you should be enabling that particular user, though.

@Josh Since when am I the barkeep here?

This is @Chacha102's house.

Josh

@PopularDemand Since you were appointed by Popular Demand!

Popular Demand

@Josh It's the start of a long weekend in the US. Labor Day is Monday.

Josh

15:28

@PopularDemand Yeah. I was hoping to make it a 4 day weekend, ha!

Popular Demand

That's what I meant, today is day one of the four-day weekend.

Josh

Awesome, I like how we're on the same page!

Popular Demand

(You might want to click on the arrow to see which message I was replying to, for that one.)

(I was going through the transcript.)

Josh

(I did, thanks. I love this chat system!!!)

It's occurred to me that my idea to build an XMPP bases system has some serious drawbacks

Popular Demand

I was just complaining that I can't use "up" to edit in AIM or Markdown to format.

Josh

15:30

The features I like so much wouldn't translate into XMPP, like replies and editing!

@PopularDemand Exactly!

Popular Demand

Rrgh, users who need to be banned.

(Not you, @Josh.)

Louder "rrgh" for grad school essays. I can't remember the last time I had this much trouble writing an essay.

Josh

@PopularDemand I'm with you there! I loathe essays

Popular Demand

Alright, back to it, don't call me unless the Tavern is burning down.

@Josh I don't. It's just this one. I can't get it just the way I want it. But the deadline is today, so....

Josh

@PopularDemand Good luck!

Popular Demand

Thanks.

Shog9

15:34

@Josh well, technically, an edit is a new post - the client has to interpret it as a revision.

I mean... It's not like there's some time-machine function built into web browsers that lets this client do edits

Josh

@Shog9 Right but how would you edit in XMPP? Maybe an irc-like command, /edit *id*?

Maybe each message starts with it's ID, allowing replies and edits, that's what I was thinking

:153702

er

So instead of:

> Josh well, technically, an edit is a new post - the client has to interpret it as a revision.

I would see in XMPP:

> Shoq9: 153702: Josh well, technically, an edit is a new post - the client has to interpret it as a revision.

and I could IM back:

> /reply :153702 Maybe each message starts with it's ID, allowing replies and edits, that's what I was thinking

idk... just pontificating

Shog9

I suppose you could always implement the Wave protocol... ;-p

Josh

@Shog9 I like to think I'm fairly intelligent but you give me a hell of a lot more credit for my skill than I deserve, lol!!

Shog9

eh, I have faith in you

Josh

LOL. Thanks :-)

Shog9

15:40

ultimately, it comes down to implementing your own protocol on top of XMPP, or implementing portions of someone else's protocol (based on XMPP)

Josh

It's possible to do some pretty crazy things with XMPP components. We'll see...

I've seen a (very trivial) MUD implemented as a Ruby XMPP component

Shog9

the deciding factor should probably be, which existing clients (if any) you want to support

Josh

Ideally all

It's the server I'll be targeting. The server will create an XMPP "conference room"

Shog9

well, ideally...

Josh

@Shog9 Yes you found the key word :-)

I'll probably start with Pidgin and Adium

Shog9

15:42

but yeah, practically, you're gonna pick one or two and test with them, and then later, maybe, if there's time, fix bugs to let others work

Josh

(which both use libpurple)

@Shog9 Yup

Is there an API for the chat system? Because if not my first major hurdle will be interfacing with the HTML/JS based system as is, which might be crazy difficult

Shog9

so what you probably want to start with then is libpurple: figure out what it supports, and then draw up an intersection of Chat features and libpurple-supported XMPP features that you can implement in your gateway

Josh

@Shog9 Good idea

Shog9

@Josh There is not. Not a public one at least. I recommend stealing from the IRC gateway

Josh

@Shog9 Oh that actually exists? I had no idea, I thought it was as mythical as the XMPP gateway!

found it

Shog9

15:45

9

A: IRC access for the chat?

As Andy E's head mentioned, I've started to create an IRC interface for the SO chat. The current state of the code is on Github: http://github.com/ghewgill/soirc It's all ugly, nascent, fragile code right now but I expect that will improve in time.

Josh

Oh how I wish I knew Python :-)

Shog9

good excuse to learn...

Josh

sure is!

I plan to try mine in Ruby

Shog9

does the Google App Engine support Ruby?

Josh

This code is well written, easy enough for me to understand what it's doing

@Shog9 Not sure, but I know how to use Ruby to extend an XMPP server. Given that plus the fact that I run my own XMPP server I have the fundimentals to do what I need

Shog9

15:48

cool

Josh

but before fun comes work. Must fix nasty nasty issue #620 with my company's latest beta offering

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