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12:06 AM
blech. i managed to lose my gadgets consecutive days despite it still going on every other SE site. 2nd time too. What the heck am I doing differently on gadgets lol
 
1:06 AM
I need 6 more people to upvote this answer:
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A: why is OOP hard for me?

Chacha102Here are a few examples of classes that I find to be in the genre of OOP. Enjoy! Form Class Example Start with a Base Form Class that can output <input> fields. Very simple, has an array to hold the fields that are going to be outputted, have a method for adding fields, and has a functi...

That way I can get the 100 up vote badge :)
 
oy
 
that's kinda tacky
 
@hobodave Because that totally doesn't happen in comments right?
 
no, because it's tacky
 
AND you decided to downvote me... thats great..
 
1:15 AM
I didn't, but now I just did
 
If you didn't agree with what I did, you could just have ... I dunno ... not done it?
 
only 8 more to go!
 
Now 'that' was tacky...
 
totally
 
Anyway...
 
1:16 AM
i'm gonna stick with oy.
 
I'm gonna log into my 12 SO sock puppets
>:)
 
Ok have fun.
 
2:01 AM
Only 12 ?
 
hehe
 
 
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3:57 AM
try the global login and let us know how it works for you. Note that we kicked EVERY logged in user out, at around 5 pm PST today ( ~4 hours ago)
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room status is
status-empty-except-you-and-me
 
room is stateful though, and I can pin my message if I need to. ttyl
 
4:42 AM
@JeffAtwood Interesting...
 
@Chacha102 I was the 100th up-voter!
 
muhuha! Sweet
 
@Chacha102 what languages do you program in?
 
Actual languages: PHP/JS. I dabble in Python and Java. I also know CSS/HTML, but those are markup langs
 
cool.. PHP has been my favorite for a long time, but losing ground to C#
I mostly stick to functional programming in PHP, though... OOP isn't my first answer for everything.
Maybe it should be, but it's too late to change now.
@Chacha102 fascinating answer you wrote! Reading it over a second time.
 
4:51 AM
:)
Remember I was 15...
Not to toot my own horn :)
 
:) You should.
 
I think the 100 upvotes does it for me
 
When I was 15, I was heavy into programming as well, although my powers usually tended towards the dark side.
@Chacha102 I wonder if you would be interested in joining an open source project that I want to start.
 
Well, you can pitch it to me now or email me at tyler@chacha102.com
 
writing the email now.
 
4:59 AM
k
 
@Chacha102 did you get the 100
 
Yes
 
grats :) I gave you back my downvote btw :P
 
I'm going to go to bed
@Fosco I'll look at your email tomorrow
 
Ok, goodnight
 
5:06 AM
Night all
 
 
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11:17 AM
Can you cancel commitment on Area51?
 
 
1 hour later…
12:18 PM
Jesus Christ, my local F1 commenters are so bad.
 
wds
hi
 
1:25.727 - 1:24.442 = 3 tenths right?
 
wds
no
1 second and 3 tenths
what am I hired for?
 
Fail humour is fail.
 
wds
not sure why I'm fired either
but okay :)
@JeffAtwood redirects too quickly when you log into chat, no time to read the message you get
 
12:23 PM
That's not just limited to chat, actually.
What does worry me slightly is, if stackexchange.com and stackoverflow.com can read and write data stored by stackauth.com, what stops evilbadguys.com from doing the same?
 
wds
I'm still wondering how it works and how it's not just as bad as xdomain cookies
ah, great minds think alike
 
It could very well be that the data is stored on the server and local storage only has the access token to the auth data
 
wds
I'm reading the spec now
 
You can still react to the mere presence of the token, still.
"Hey StackOverflow user! Would you like some expert sex change?"
 
wds
I think the localStorage area is bound to the domain of the script
and there must be something on the login page that interacts with the server
so localStorage script -> fetches identity -> sends it to server -> sends it to script on so.com page -> logs you in
something like that
Would it have killed Jeff to put the basic algorithm in his post though
 
12:27 PM
Does it mean that, say, stack webapps still need users to write in their user id?
 
wds
hmm seems the localStorage is bound to the origin of the document, but what defines origin
I haven't dug into the specs much
am just gonna read the code
hmm it's about what I thought, with an iframe to stackauth dynamically embedded in the page and calling a callback to the window from that
I think it'll work on any stack site this way
I suppose stackauth checks origin on its end
otherwise I could just steal credentials by including the same iframe in one of my sites
I voted for something as a great comment by accident on gaming.se.com, but can't undo it for some reason
 
er, there's never been a way to undo comment votes

Gaming

General discussion for http://gaming.stackexchange.com/
 
wds
oh I see
I have to stop being clumsy then, I suppose
 
Comment votes aren't that important
Don't sweat it.
 
wds
it's my OCD playing up
THIS COMMENT DOESNT DESERVE MY VOTE HOW DO I UNDO IT AARGH UNDO UNDO UNDO
this, btw, is funny on so many levels: engadget.com/2010/09/10/…
I too think of most Microsoft employees as mindless zombies
 
12:48 PM
Wow, they're quite mental
 
wds
they're quite good
oh that's what you said
 
 
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2:17 PM
What a rainy, rainy day
I love it
 
I was going to mow my lawn, but I guess instead I'll have to stay inside and sit on SO all day long
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Oh darn!
 
 
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3:35 PM
It's XMPP day!
After I shower and get lunch, that is :-)
 
xmpp?
 
Jabber
Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP) is an open-standard communications protocol for message-oriented middleware based on Extensible Markup Language (XML). The protocol was originally named Jabber, and was developed by the Jabber open-source community in 1999 for, originally, near-real-time, extensible instant messaging (IM), presence information, and contact list maintenance. Designed to be extensible, the protocol today also finds application in Voice over Internet Protocol and file transfer signaling. Unlike most instant messaging protocols, XMPP uses an open systems appr...
So you can access the chat using Adium / Pidgin / other IM client
It's an open IM protocol
 
jibba jabba
 
Something like that :-)
 
3:50 PM
so is this chat getting it?
 
Yeah, it will (eventually) be a way you can read/write to these chats using an XMPP client, like Pidgin
So the same client you use for AIM, Yahoo, Google Talk, etc
Actually you could probably use GMail, as Google Talk is Jabber
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Q: Offer an XMPP method for chat

Greg HewgillThis is a request for the SO chat system to have an XMPP interface. The whole idea of a chat system is to bring people together, and a key way of doing that is to allow people to access the system using more than one method. Right now there's a web interface, but it's limited to being a web inte...

See also:
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Q: IRC access for the chat?

jrkWill there be any way of accessing the chat over IRC? As beautiful ajax interfaces are ... IRC is still #1 for chats.

 
Sweet (n'Low)
anyone else noticing that the auto-network-login is going pretty slow?
 
no, it's pretty quick for me
 
@JoePhillips pretty quick for me too
although it spazzed out when I first logged in
logged in and got kicked out like 2 times, 3rd time's the charm
now it seems to work fine
 
Hm... I guess it is pretty quick
I guess I was expecting it to log me in on the main page, not the login page
 
4:04 PM
Uses HTML5 storage so maybe your local system's a bit slow?
 
4:23 PM
Yeah, when I was logging in last night, it wouldn't seem to kick in until I actually clicked my openid provider. Hoping that's a temporary spazz.
 
@rchern That's what mine did the first time. I think it was just figuring itself out. Now it goes pretty fast
 
It did that for across the board for each site, and I haven't needed it since, so not sure.
 
I had to give my OpenID provider on the first site, then for each of the others just click on the "log in" link.
The meta's logged in after a refresh, so I suspect the main sites would have done too - it's still one extra click on the first visit.
 
Hmm, let's see. Ah yes, I just opened up English.SE and it immediately came up with the notification bar logging me in and asking me to refresh. So, just the one extra click to refresh. Eh.
 
Yep - just auto logged into the Wordpress site, click to refresh. Looks like I was premature by clicking "log in". I should have been more patient
 
4:39 PM
@ChrisF I don't know... I waited and waited before clicking Log In and it didn't do anything. Let me do a long test
 
last night when it logged me out and didn't auto log me in, I tried refreshing the homepage several times before giving up and going to the login page. and then I tried refreshing that page several times before giving up and clicking my provider. With each refresh I waited several minutes.
 
@Joe - I had to click log in on the first site.
 
@ChrisF and now I just had to refresh chat because I logged in on meta haha
 
Hmm, had to click Login on Gadgets just now.
 
4:58 PM
I just waited 10min on bicycles and had to click Log In for it to be automatic
 
Anyone else getting "oops, this is our fault, not yours"?
 
no, where?
 
Every site.
I guess I've finally gotten banned for that "dislike button" suggestion.
 
does clearing cookies help?
 
5:06 PM
Problem seems to have resolved itself after closing all those tabs and reopening them (not even exiting the browser).
 
It is too early (ok, ok, it is noon but I'm not fully awake yet!) for a <br> vs <br/> argument.
 
@rchern where did this come from?
 
@JoePhillips Do you have an account on Bicycles already? I just went onto Theoretical Computer Science where I don't have an account and it didn't log me in - as I would expect
@JoePhillips Meta
 
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Q: Need help with markdown formatting

NullUserExceptionSometimes I need to style my lists like so: Item #1 Sub-Item #1 Sub-Item #2 Item #2 Sub-item #3 For some reason it's impossible to add an extra line between Sub-item #2 and Item #2. Look at this answer to see what I am talking about (after "syck," I used a dot to create a space) Is ther...

 
@ChrisF Yes I've an account already
 
5:12 PM
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A: Need help with markdown formatting

rchernYou can add <br/> elements. * Item #1 * Sub-Item #1 * Sub-Item #2 <br/><br/> * Item #2 * Sub-Item #3 produces: Item #1 Sub-Item #1 Sub-Item #2 Item #2 Sub-Item #3

@JoePhillips That blows that theory out of the water then
 
@rchern What? Who's having this argument?
 
@PopularDemand Not me! I'm with @rchern on this one
 
argument is a bit strong, but there's a small discussion in the comments.
 
@rchern I voted you up... because.. I love you
 
oO
Vote it up if it is good/useful/helpful, not because I linked it here. (;
 
5:15 PM
@rchern But then why do we have chat?
 
I'm not sure whether or not to take that question seriously...
 
You shouldn't. But here's a serious question: what's the point of adding the space like that user wanted?
It adds no value as far as I can tell.
 
visual appeal?
 
I don't see it.
 
I do see it.
 
5:17 PM
If anything, it looks like the renderer broke.
 
There are times I think the extra line in there makes a list look nicer, and sometimes I find it fine without. I'm not sure if it is the content, the length of the content, the length of the list...or some other arbitrary reason.
 
5:39 PM
OK, I have a SVN repo set up, a Trac site partially set up, and some code which connects to an XMPP server and does, well, absolutely nothing after that. I feel like I have accomplished something and deserve wings and beer!
 
6:24 PM
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A: What's the most absurd myth about programming issues?

burnt_handIf you're not typing, you're not working. I believe zombie blank stares and coffee walks are essential to programmers organising things in their heads.

 
All those upvotes
you've truly opened Pandora's box with Programmers.
 
reminder: http://programmers.stackexchange.com is basically prog.reddit or hacker news ; for FULLY subjective stuff
 
7:16 PM
it's what SU should have been...
 
7:38 PM
okay, this may be a stupid question, but does adding a C:\AUTOEXEC.BAT still work in windows 7?
 
TIAS? (; I want to say I recall seeing that it doesn't but I'm by no means certain.
 
oh, I am TI
but I don't want to reboot right now, since it's so cozy in here ;)
AUTOEXEC.BAT is a system file found originally on DOS-type operating systems. It is a plain-text batch file that is located in the root directory of the boot device. The name of the file stands for "automatic execution", which describes its function in automatically executing commands on system startup; the portmanteau was coined in response to the 8.3 filename limitations of the FAT file system family. Usage AUTOEXEC.BAT is read upon startup by all versions of DOS, including MS-DOS version 7.x as used in Windows 95 and Windows 98. Windows Me only parses environment variables as part of i...
nothing about Windows 7, but Vista seems to still know it
 
7:56 PM
what on earth would you expect it to do?
 
add a path to PATH
 
why not just modify it via system properties?
 
be easy on me :) I've switched from Windows 98 to Linux, only to come back to Windows for my work with SO
 
'k
hit the start button
type, "environment"
choose the "system" option
 
it's "Umgebung" here, but it works :)
 
8:01 PM
ah, sure
 
thanks
 
np
 
oh, and this is what I want to change the PATH for :)
I miss grep and sed and patch and...
 
Cygwin?
 
no, it's just a windows port of the common posix tools
 
8:04 PM
ok
note that you might have to reboot after changing the system path; I forget how that works
 
nope, works instantly
 
cool; it's usually one of the first things I do when setting up a new machine, so I'm rebooting constantly anyway
naturally you can modify the path for a single shell process by just typing set PATH=%PATH%;whatever addition
 
environment variables are copied into the process when it starts
So it doesn't take effect for existing processes, only for new ones
 
@Shog9 sure, but I wouldn't want to do that everytime
and you get used to those tools very fast
btw, found it here:
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A: Gotta-Have-It Programs

Chinmay KanchiAll platforms: Vim Chrome/Firefox GCC VMWare Server/VirtualBox Windows: GNUWin32 (Gives you, among other things, grep, *NIX find, sed, head, tail, cat and most of the other tools that you use to make life at the command-line bearable) PowerShell

 
GNUWin32, eh?
 
8:09 PM
yep
 
fun... I'll check it out
 
so yay for totally subjective, no-single-answer, "not a real question" recommendation lists ;)
 
not really. I searched for that when you first wrote, "windows port of common posix tools" and came up empty
 
yeah, "GNU" and "SEO" don't work in one sentence
 
(but the top answer there is cygwin)
so, uh, yay for question specificity, boo for duplicate answers
hey, have you considered automatic re-writing for SE URLs posted in Chat?
 
8:15 PM
re-writing?
 
@balpha I like that question.. picking up some new apps (not gnuwin though)
 
@balpha yeah - so if I posted a link to a question programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/2846/… and you'd re-write it as Which language do you really hate?
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ah, so you mean a mini version of the oneboxes, just inline
 
yeah, I guess
 
not a bad idea
 
8:19 PM
Normally, I wouldn't trigger a one-box for a comment like that, 'cause it turns a one-liner into a huge block - and that wasn't the point of the comment
 
that's exactly why those only work when the link is the sole content of the message
but rewriting the link text isn't so intrusive
 
yeah
 
awesome suggestion (:
There have been plenty of times where I'll just include the link in my comment so as to not take up the space of it being one-boxed...only to have someone onebox it lol
 
@rchern "not take up the space" -- that's like saying "I'll just call this variable i13 instead of ValidationFailCount because it takes up less space :)
 
int cnVF
 
8:32 PM
char **izard
 
@TheUnhandledException We've settled the pronunciation of char debate at work by agreeing to call them charizard pointers
 
@MichaelMrozek A student in my class when I taught C/C++ decided they should be called Charizards :-)
 
8:53 PM
well i don't mean "take up space" literally.
 
best not to take any chances
 
pokemon
 
variables take up more space with longer names
so short names is the best
 
i limit myself to 26 variables, no matter how big the project.
 
I have 3 more at my disposal, I'm from norway
so I also have æøå
 
9:07 PM
haha
 
@LasseVKarlsen I typed in a message suggesting int ø but didn't send it because I wasn't sure chat would handle it properly. Good work.
 
Why risk conveying any information at all.
var1, var2, var3
or... codegen using guids for variable names
 
generate a guid, convert to binary (that is, 1's and 0's), convert 1's to I's, and 0's to O's
 
anyone seeing an issue with the openid logos not showing on the login pages across the network?
 
They look different now, but no issue that I've seen thus far
 
9:18 PM
chants pick a provider, any provider
 
Well, I just popped into your site, and I see the logos when I check the login screen.
 
yeah, i'm getting it across the SE network, looks ok in Firefox, which means it is probably a Chrome issue.
In Fiddler, it doesn't even look like it tries to grab the logos, not seeing the request there
 
Checked it in my chrome, looks fine. What version?
Admittedly, I might be on some ancient version of Chrome.
 
ah, Fiddler doesn't show it in Firefox either. Hehe, I'm on the love-to-be-hated Chrome Dev. (;
 
9:46 PM
Hello People
 
@Chacha102 Hello
 
10:41 PM
I <3 fixed size design !
 
@Shog9 Well, nothing stops you from creating a Subjective SU. :-)
 
11:12 PM
@TomWij I mean that in terms of "a dumping-ground for SO"... ;-)
 

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