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8:00 PM
so if they decide to turn their comment into an answer, you can delete yours
 
ARGH! I LOVE THIS GIANT REPLY BUTTON
 
otherwise, at least there's an answer
 
@Shog9 But I think they'd be less likely to answer if I did it for them. Besides it feels to me like plagiarism. But that's just my opinion :-)
 
ARGH! I INDIFFERENT THIS REPLY BUTTON
 
@Shog9 Just scroll up 1px
 
8:00 PM
if you're worried about plagiarism, then attribute what you took
 
@Shog9 The one time I did copy a comment into an answer, I did attribute. But the system didn't
It still thought it was my answer
 
I'll be back
 
@Chacha102 Later!
 
@TheUnhandledException it was your answer
 
@Shog9 True; I see your point
 
8:02 PM
If I post something as a comment, it's because I want it to be a comment. Either I haven't tested it, don't want to put the effort into fleshing it out, or can't be certain enough about what the asker wants to do more than speculate.
 
I second that... Sometimes I think the question seems too easy, that my one liner comment can't possibly be the solution..
 
Right! If you want to take that and make something out of it, you're more than welcome to. In fact, if you want to take an actual answer and post a better one based on it, you're welcome to that as well.
SO is all about improvement. The bastards who would rather stifle it to keep rep or attribution consistent with some definition of "fair" aren't doing anyone any favors.
 
Hmmm
@Shog9 I agree completely with
> SO is all about improvement
That's why I find myself editing posts to improve them even though there's no rep involved
 
16 hours ago, by Popular Demand
Ooh! Ooh! Can we have a dislike button?!?!?!?
 
it just makes the site a better place
@Fosco To this I would say "but what if it was", but
 
8:06 PM
Well, the flip side of this is editing existing answers rather than posting new ones. I'm quite fond of this... but some people are rather protective of their stuff. So sadly, you've gotta just hold back at times.
 
you guys are starting to convince me I might be wrong
 
A week ago or so, I edited a 'english as a third language' post to make sense... the changes got rolled back by the author. That can be pretty frustrating.
 
@Fosco yup
 
@Shog9 If I edit someone else's post I try very hard to make sure not to alter meaning, only to add clarification
Mostly I change i to I and add code tags, etc
@Fosco That happened to me once. But I've edited probably 150 of those, so 1/150 isn't bad
 
@Fosco Especially when it's one of those really, really long messes that has something reasonable buried deep inside, and you gotta spend serious time digging to find it.
 
8:08 PM
@Shog9 Yeah...
 
yep.. it's a thankless job, but someone's gotta(?) do it.
 
@Fosco I don't know why I do, but apparently I do :-)
So would you guys think, in this scenario, it would be appropriate to post the comment as CW to the original author could then edit it, or would just as @Shog9 suggested, post it normally and delete it if the original author posted his?
 
@TheUnhandledException I'd probably just let it go, myself.
 
@Fosco LOL. OK :-)
 
@Shog9 You've edited some of my questions. I never complained.
 
8:12 PM
Hey there @squillman
 
Heya
 
You just missed @Shog9 and @Fosco convincing me I was wrong to agree with you, HA :-)
I still think Gnome posting your answer as a comment was hysterical
 
heh, that doesn't surprise me :)
 
@Shog9 Except for all those times you made it worse with your pedestrian, plebian, poor man's excuse for a voluminous vocabulary.
 
I just thought of something else that'll make me torch my answer to that, but wanted to confirm. Does Google index comments? I seem to remember a post at some point saying it doesn't.
 
8:15 PM
@devinb I just starred you, but immediately realized that "poor man" is hardly a shining example of thesauristry, so I revoked it.
 
@squillman I don't know why it wouldn't...
 
@devinb I think you meant to say "shorter"
 
but I can do a quick experiment, let's find a unique comment we can google...
 
@PopularDemand I know, but I had to make a choice between alliteration and elitism.
Alliteration appears more to the pedestrians, plebians and poor mans.
 
@The Unhandled Yeah, his comment made me laugh. Then all of a sudden I had 6 downvotes within about 2 minutes (not that I give a rip...). Still makes me laugh though.
 
8:16 PM
@Shog9 You wouldn't have DARED!
 
@squillman Google does index comments:
 
@devinb Panhandler?
 
Well at least comments with +186...
 
@The I couldn't think of why it wouldn't either... Thanks for doing my legwork :)
 
@squillman Sure :-)
 
8:19 PM
heh, yeah. hidden comments not so much.
 
@devinb Pauper?
 
@devinb hmmm?
 
I still crack up when I read that RexEx answer
 
I do too. Just read through it again this morning.
 
8:22 PM
Hi all, I'm too lazy to scroll back through 6 hours of transcript, can someone remember round about what time the new name was chosen?
 
@Shog9 I am literally angry with rage.
 
@devinb I'm mad with anger.
 
There was no new name
@Benjol But let me share with you:
 
Like that madd hatter.
 
8:24 PM
@Benjol About 250 minutes ago.
 
Should change it to #hottub (oh crap, bad flashback)
 
@Benjol what new name?
what is HAPPENING?
@balpha can we change the frequency counter to number of words instead of number of messages?
I feel like that will make it fair for every me.
 
5 hours ago, by Chacha102
Would anyone object to "The Foo Bar" being disqualified from the competition?
 
@devinb, well when I left here last, it was called the tavern, and was about to be named the Foo Bar (by democratic process), now it's called the Tavern of Insanity (strangely appropriate given the present company...)
 
5 hours ago, by Josh
@Benjol would object if he could
 
8:26 PM
4 hours ago, by Chacha102
The Court hereby dismisses this case, and rules that no name change shall be attempted to be voted upon for at least 1 month. That is all.
 
thanks, I see elitism won over democracy, devinb should be happy :)
 
@Benjol LOL
4 hours ago, by mmyers
I already voted. Refresh the page and you'll see.
 
squillman: hah, I remember #hottub
 
(he had just changed the name to The Tavern of Insanity (General))
 
squillman: BTW, I regret that now, though it's still funny :)
 
8:28 PM
@Benjol Did you know that 80% of the people are dimmer than the top 20%?
4 out of 5 dentists agree.
 
@devinb can I remind you of this? A long message is just a proof of failure to be concise.
2
 
as a matter of fact, this was my parting shot:
 
KTHXBYE
 
6 hours ago, by Benjol
To be honest, everyone has got used to Tavern, and without a clear winner, I'd stick with that
 
@Gnome Nah, no regrets! :) I love how "your" comment is at 7 upvotes!
 
8:29 PM
@balpha lol
@balpha nice
 
@Gnome It was hysterical
 
@balpha :p
 
@balpha That's great
oh and:
lol
 
"That's a pretty ugly freehand circle. Can't it be smoother? – BalusC"
 
@Benjol Oh the other development you missed was my name change ;-)
 
8:30 PM
Why can't I star messages in the transcript?
 
@PopularDemand Say what?
 
@devinb you can
 
@devinb It's you "you snooze you lose" rule?
@devinb Use the arrow on the left?
@PopularDemand Wait, how did you reply to yourself? I've tried and failed to do that before!
 
@balpha Ah, but there's no floaty context menu. I've once again failed to know the app as well as its developer.
 
@TheUnhandledException you have to edit
 
8:33 PM
@balpha Sorry, I don't follow...
 
@TheUnhandledException It's a special ability you get when you post 10% of the messages in a given room.
 
@PopularDemand FALSE! Freehand circles should ALWAYS be freehand.
 
@PopularDemand I think I might be there already, LOL
 
@devinb That's the point I was trying to make!
 
@balpha I thought I blocked that - did you unblock it?
 
8:33 PM
Can we dock @BalusC some rep or something?
 
@MarcGravell evil... that's my 2nd favorite feature
 
@devinb which once more proves my comment here:
2
A: Is the Enthusiast badge still undead?

randomNot really a bug. It's still the Enthusiast badge. It's just that the image of the badge itself has been sponsored by the woot! They may have the face, but they haven't got the bones.

> Anything that confuses a user is a bug. Either in the UI or in the user.
 
@Shog9 I hate to engage you more, but... what's your first favorite feature?
 
@PopularDemand Future replies!
 
@MarcGravell no -- I wasn't aware that it was blocked
 
8:34 PM
@Shog9 You called it your second-favorite feature, so you must have a first-favorite feature.
 
in that case, it shouldn't be possible
 
@balpha Users are un-erringly intelligent in my experience.
 
@devinb ... do you live alone?
 
@PopularDemand Not a big fan of sunlight.
 
...with lots of cats?
 
8:35 PM
@Shog9 They always judge me.
 
@devinb Cats are like that; don't take it personally
:-)
 
remember a discussion about talking to yourself not being supported - not encouraging crazy?
 
@PopularDemand no, he's canadian. Not much to be confused in the UI of an axe
 
@Shog9 too late, @Marc
 
@balpha stop that
 
8:37 PM
@balpha Canadians have LOTS of space, If there are people within a few square kilometres, its considered crowded.
 
@devinb Does this have to do with those axes @balpha mentioned?
 
@PopularDemand more like the solid "Kraft Dinner" diet...
(KD, incidentally, also has a very simple UI)
 
@balpha Axes have a fairly simple point and mash interface.
I point at something, and everything nearby gets broken.
 
@devinb just be wary of the HitTreeWithBluntSideException
 
Oh god, how did this one not get sent to Regulator HQ?

Regulator Headquarters

Report evil (or more likely, dupe) questions here for closure
It's there now.
 
8:40 PM
Hey @Gnome you still here?
 
meta questions are boring
 
@The: yes
 
@balpha One of the few exceptions where while(!throughYet) try { } try-again { } actually works
 
@Gnome I had no idea I posted the link to the discussion as a comment on that answer!!! Thanks for pointing that out
I am not with it today, lol
 
@devinb ... "mash"? Are you talking about the nozzle of AXE body spray?
 
8:41 PM
Okay, my daily dose of insanity is fulfilled. Have a good night all
 
np, I could've posted as an comment myself, but... :)
 
@balpha Cheers.
 
@PopularDemand mash/smash/bash all valid
@balpha good evening, good sir.
 
I posted another comment of, "the rant would have not been a good answer and would not have been as not been a good of an answer"
 
@devinb I generally go with more of a "swing" action.
 
8:42 PM
Enjoy the fun everyone, I'm off to sleep. It's been a tough day, what with my PC dying on me and all that...
 
when I meant to say "the rant would have not been a good answer and would not have been upvoted as much"
I think I need a nap :-)
@Benjol Sleep well!
@balpha later!
 
@The: Sometimes I can't believe how I mangle thoughts in text. Things that never happen verbally.
 
@Sean!
Hi!
(From Norfolk, cough cough.)
 
@PopularDemand Greetings! (From Alexandria)
 
8:45 PM
I had been wondering what your username was. That was easy.
 
@PopularDemand How's it going in the southern parts? All moved in?
 
@SeanVieira and @PopularDemand: And greetings to both of you from the southern border
 
Always is :-)
 
@TheUnhandledException You're in Mexico?
 
@devinb North Carolina :-)
 
8:46 PM
The silver medal of the carolinas?
 
@TheUnhandledException Please, you're not even south of South of the Border.
 
still a pretty good showing.
 
@PopularDemand No, but I've been there once :-)
 
roar!
 
8:48 PM
@TheUnhandledException More than I can say - I passed it once.
 
@SeanVieira Yeah, more or less. I mean, there are one or two more boxes, but... I'm not really motivated to put them away.
 
@SeanVieira I didn't stay long, LOL
@Troggy RAWR
 
Heh. @Jeff enters, room goes quiet :)
 
@Troggy I hear there are some nice countrysides in Canada you can burninate, all cleared of trees most humans and everything.
 
@squillman LOL. Hi @JeffAtwood
 
8:51 PM
@squillman Jeff been hear a while I here.
@TheUnhandledException there used to be a time when that would've set his avatar a'bouncin'
 
@devinb RIP Bouncy :-)
@Jeff 's just checking in to make sure we're behaving, and to ask why the room is called The Tavern of Insanity
 
@TheUnhandledException He has to rest in peace. We're removed his ability to be active.
 
@devinb Thankfully :-)
 
@PopularDemand Countrysides populated with peasants are ideal.
 
17 mins ago, by devinb
@balpha Canadians have LOTS of space, If there are people within a few square kilometres, its considered crowded.
Draw your own conclusions.
 
8:54 PM
@Troggy I don't get it, are you a man? or a dragon man? or erm... just a dragon?
 
@devinb: iirc, it's copied from homestarrunner, if that helps
 
Onebox feature request?
 
@devinb It is a ratio of beefy arm to S shaped dragon.
 
8:57 PM
Right. Well. I should be heading out.
 
@PopularDemand Have a good night/weekend!!
 
@PopularDemand Righto!
 
@PopularDemand I agree.
 
Have a good one @Sean, @everyone.
 
You too @PopularDemand!
 
8:58 PM
later @Pop
 
Say hello to the other from me and mine :-)
 
Later!
Who wants to help me work on my masters thesis this weekend?
 
@Troggy That got a huge response! ;-)
 
Haha, let me rephrase: Who would like to do my masters thesis for me?
 
@Troggy What's the topic? And does it involve alcohol?
 
9:01 PM
Don't worry: I will give you credit just like a true PHD university professor. You do 90% of the work and I will put my name on it.
 
@Troggy What's your topic
 
@devinb Social engineering and the ability to get others to do mundane tasks...
 
Ooh, I'm all over that
 
@TheUnhandledException Oh I could write for HOURS on that. On and on, I'd go. I wouldn't even need a reward.
oh wait...
 
9:05 PM
We gotsta keep this activity rolling
 
It deals with the transformation of an information system --> decision based system. We have a database full of information and numbers. We put that info in a meaningful form (graphs/charts), add some statistics (control charts, limits, etc.), and whammy, we have a much more meaningful data set that we have statistical information on, which we can make much more informed decisions based on the statistical trends and conditions. It uses part of Statistical Process Control (SPC).
 
Here's a question... do feeds count as activity?
 
@JoePhillips In the past it's looked like no
 
That's more context than thesis. Or is your thesis actually proposing a particular transformation?
 
9:09 PM
40
A: boolean operation trick

Alexander RautenbergHow about myVar = !myVar ?

40 upvotes. And read the question to see just how inadequate that answer actually was
I feel bad for the person at +12 that actually completely answered the question
 
@devinb: Yah, it more of a thesis/project so to say. You have an option on which way you would like to go. My project is with a private company and my paper uses that project as a basis and explanation of its usefulness and significance.
 
Can anyone confirm my answer is correct?
 
@MichaelMrozek But he got 14 upvotes for an extremely easy question so... I don't feel so bad for him
 
0
A: What chat.meta.SO and not chat.SO.com?

The Unhandled ExceptionIf I understand correctly, there will soon be a chat.stackoverflow.com... It's just because it's only just now leaving beta... From the blog post where chat was announced: This is a permanent public beta, meaning chat is now live on one site in our network … forever. We plan to roll out...

 
@devinb It is not too crazy of a project. It just takes a lot of time writing, editing, re-writing, re-organize this area, etc.
 
9:14 PM
@MichaelMrozek: It could be worse. I got +116 for a trivial answer (my next is under +40). It's nearly embarrassing.
 
@Troggy Shouldn't you include the reformatting and re-writing as a case-study?
 
@devinb Yah, I would be doing that if it was a pure research thesis. Haha. I do some comparisons with other papers and styles of information. Looking forward to just being done with all and getting my defense over with.
 
@MichaelMrozek I think what's so scary about that is that no one is questioning why you would want to reverse a boolean on spec.
@Troggy Recursion is always good, but even better is
@devinb See previous comment
 
Stack overflow
 
I wish there were some rooms that were more focused on programming
 
9:20 PM
@JoePhillips The Roach Motel is, but nobody's ever there
Feel free to start your own!
 
I started an asp.net mvc one
 
I wish more people were active in rooms focused on programming
 
it's me and the feed just hanging out
 
I added links to rooms in my "About Me" on SO
ServerFault's chat just left beta and moved to chat.serverfault.com today, maybe when SO's does the same, traffic will increase?
@JoePhillips I'd chat ASP.Net with you if I could intelligently speak about the topic :-)
 
I bet the conversations on chat.serverfault.com will end up the same as on here
 
9:24 PM
I started a Virtualization room over there and 10 minutes later it had 5 people all chatting Vmware
 
@PiersMyers I think there will always be a 'general' chat
 
@JoePhillips I have used nhibernate a little bit but no expert
 
5 more upvotes on meta and I break 2k, woo hoo!
 
@PiersMyers There is quite a bit of overhead it seems... i'm at the point where I dont even know if I'm asking the right questions
 
@TheUnhandledException but that's only meta rep, not real rep :)
2
 
9:28 PM
@PiersMyers So true :-)
@PiersMyers Real rep I am very comfortable with >3k
 
@Troggy If you need someone to prepare you, utilizing abusive leading sceptical questions with no right answer, I'm always up for it.
 
It will take me years to break the next barier of 10k, so I am content
 
@TheUnhandledException why the name change, was that in protest?
 
@PiersMyers You got it!
 
@PiersMyers He's categorizing himself as a problem.
 
9:29 PM
And to join the elite group of those who change their Meta names for the sake of comedy :-)
@devinb No, I did that with the /me thread ;-)
 
I thought this place was being changed to The Foo Bar
 
@TheUnhandledException /me hates you for that.
 
@PiersMyers The decision was to not change the name at all
 
wow.. this script really IS better
 
ROFLMAO!
@PiersMyers The insanity part comes from the proceedings today
 
9:30 PM
@devinb Thank you for the generous offer. However, you tend to find a lot of those kinds of people in higher education programs. So, I think I am covered.
 
anyone else noticing the big delay in updating the :1234 to the @name in replies?
 
@PiersMyers if by "big delay" you mean ~1-2 seconds, yes
 
@PiersMyers Yes
 
@Piers nope
 
Anyone else noticed your web browser's memory usage increases linearly over time while using the chat?
 
9:32 PM
@squillman it's not happening all the time
 
@PiersMyers let's try again
 
Safari on my Mac is using ~1.4GB of RAM; I've had the chat open since I changed my name ~6 hours ago
 
@PiersMyers No, but I will start watching it now that you mention it.
 
@TheUnhandledException I think that's just a 'feature' of Firefox - I have plenty of RAM anyway
 
@PiersMyers Still nope.
 
9:33 PM
@PiersMyers With Firefox, yes :-)
 
@squillman seems to be ok now, was quite bad a little while ago
 
Does the chat history prune on the page? Do you have 1.4 MB of old chat rendered up there?
 
@PiersMyers What is "quite bad"?
@AnthonyMastrean Well I sure don't have 1.4 GB of chat history -- I know the chat's active, but...
Yes, it is pruned
 
@TheUnhandledException one didn't change for about 20 seconds
 
@PiersMyers Wow, OK, yeah I haven't seen that long of a delay
 
9:35 PM
@PiersMyers And that is why you deck out your machine with lots of RAM. You can never have enough I say.
 
@PiersMyers I'm using Chrome 6 beta and haven't seen it at all. I'll check it out on FF.
 
I'm using Google Chrome beta and it's going to about 60k and dropping down to 58-59 then right back up.
 
@TheUnhandledException how the heck can Safari be using so much memory, is it full of holes?
 
@PiersMyers Annnddd, let's see what it's like on FF now.
 
I'm good.
 
9:37 PM
Nope, no delay.
 
but then again, I close stuff regularely.
 
@PiersMyers I have no freaking idea :-)
 
I have seen safari and firefox use lots of ram in os x. I leave a lot of stuff open though.
 
heh, and I thought the update chirp could get annoying with one browser window open...
 
@Troggy how much is a lot, I have about 22 tabs open in Firefox and at 330MB usage
 
9:40 PM
@squillman I've asked @balpha for more control bet he has denied me twice :-)
 
I don't open 22 tabs all day
 
oh lord, my name made it onto the stackoverflow blog blush
 
ouch, opera with ~60 tabs and 150MB usage (but it's always been good at that)
 
@JoePhillips Mine made it onto the Serverfault blog, I was honored. Where's the link?
 
Mine made it by pure luck though... because I was chatting I guess
 
9:42 PM
@Gnome I hope 60 tabs is a science experiment and not daily usage
 
@Joe probably because that's been the 1 active chat session on chat.SF :)
 
no, that's common. I clean them up once a week or so
 
@squillman Hey I'm there, in Virtualization :-)
just with my non-comedy name :-)
 
I have exactly 60 tabs open, which is absolutely the norm (or even a tad low)
 
9:44 PM
@The er, yeah. You. That's what I meant :)
 
Josh - are you having a conversation with yourself on Serverfault? Didn't think 2 users could have the same name
 
@PiersMyers LOL
No, two different Joshes
It's happened to me with a third Josh on SuperUser :-)
 
@rchern How do you keep track of 60 tabs?! I freak out when I get more ethan 7 or 8
 
@PiersMyers Mine started because my openID is josh.gitlin.name
 
@PiersMyers I have seen both use over a gb before. Right now, safari in os x is sitting at ~380mb with about 17 tabs open. I have not been using it that long though.
 
9:46 PM
@JoePhillips: opera in particular lets me navigate with right-click+scroll (showing list of titles + thumbnail), I have a plugin for chrome that similarly gives a handy title list
 
That is why I have 8gb of RAM on that machine though, right? ;)
 
@Troggy me too
 
8gb... sigh I dream of the day we switch to 64-bit here at work....
 
I have 12gb in my win7 box.
 
@JoePhillips: they're not all in the same main window, either
 
9:48 PM
ola
 
Well, I have my SE window: SO+MSO+(4 betas * 2)+ 2 chat + blog + area51. Then I have my general browser window which has 10 tabs. Then I've got about 5 tabs in my "Financial" window...App shortcuts count too: Facebook, gmail, Work's outlook exchange, etc, etc, etc. I have TooManyTabs extension and gleeBox is an absolute dream aside from tab management.
Heh.
 
@Gnome Double windows?! What does it meeeean?!
 
@JoePhillips: both opera and chrome let you drag tabs to make new windows, etc.
 
The tavern was featured on the Blog. Thats nice :)
 
@squillman Yah, I still have 32bit XP at work, so I know how you feel.
 
9:49 PM
everyone should use gleeBox or something similar. we don't need them mice!! :P
 
@Gnome I do that on accident and I hate it
 
@Troggy They keep teasing us with "Win7 some time this fall, and only a 64-bit image". I try to get some test machines to test our apps against and all I get is crickets...
 
@squillman Yah, we are in the testing phase of moving to 64bit Win7 by mid 2011.
 
@rchern: tbh, I hadn't realized how much I missed opera until I found gleebox for chrome :) gleebox is more expansive, too
 
They are taking way our serverfault users!!!
 
9:53 PM
@Chacha102, not...a...competition. Relax. (;
 
@Gnome, I am a keyboard shortcut fanatic (ask @balpha and @marc, I was constantly asking for shortcuts...and still they'd be nice) and just discovered it a couple weeks ago.
 
@rchern Thats what YOU think..
 
Pretty much my only issue with it is the tab manager is current window only. TooManyTabs is any tab in any window. I am hoping gleeBox adds my suggestion of making that an option.
 
Ok, I've had enough. Update sound is getting turned off.
 
9:55 PM
@Chacha102, yes. Yes it is.
 
@Troggy LOL
@Troggy I find "when mentioned" works well
 
/me hates update sound
oh wait...
 

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