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Dan Grossman

2:00 PM

You're using all your bandwidth on chat

radp

@DanGrossman Once it's loaded it's no big deal.

Yi Jiang

It's all right - most of the messages are small - the problem is whether the connection is stable, and latency is low

Oh, and nobody posts images of course :P

radp

@YiJiang Opera Turbo should compress images somewhat

Let me check if it's enabled tho

Dan Grossman

"Breaking news: Joseph's arm has fallen off and is laying in the hay in the nativity scene. This proves the mannequins are not real."

I think something's wrong with this news anchor

balpha

give him some real news:

WikiLeaks to release documents questioning existence of bearded man on flying sleigh. Parent organisations demand immediate arrest of J. A.

Tweeted by balpha on December 23, 2010 at 4:44 PM

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ircmaxell

2:02 PM

lol

Dan Grossman

lol

Yi Jiang

in JavaScript on Stack Overflow Chat, 26 secs ago, by Coding Kitten

@IvoWetzel The class="replyMsg123; expand50-100"> F#*$ing awesome! clever way! You need to tell us more about this please

^ Effing awesome indeed!

radp

@ircmaxell oh lord so many people drowning

(cmon chat.SE, load this thing! You know you want to!)

Dan Grossman

I want to see Tron. Now, not in 4 hours. Movie theater fail.

balpha

@DanGrossman be glad you can see it today. Germany has to wait until January 27 :(

Rebecca Chernoff

2:12 PM

@balpha, for oneboxed messages, is the raw content/url stored someone or would I need to parse that out from the various onebox types?

also, g'morning y'all. (;

balpha

@RebeccaChernoff chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/message/414542?plain=true

Yi Jiang

@balpha Cool! That would be great for the userscripters

Rebecca Chernoff

Hrm. Thought of a problem. An explicit reply that's a onebox doesn't have span.mention which is what I'm currently using to detect messages that should show a desktop notification.

radp

@The chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/414553#414553

Pekka

@balpha arrest? Execution, says I! Let a reindeer-powered drone take care of this one.

radp

2:25 PM

Sigh, chat.SE won't load

Yi Jiang

@radp Yeah, the HTML5 support in Opera Mini isn't quite there yet

radp

Uncaught SyntaxError: Unexpected end of input (master-chat.js:343)

@YiJiang Using no-image Chrome for chat now.

@YiJiang tries a shift-reload

Yi Jiang

@radp That's odd then. Maybe the assets aren't loaded properly?

Check if the StackAuth iframe is been loaded correctly

Rebecca Chernoff

I can't get chat.SE on my iphone again. ):

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff What would be so hard about parsing out @xxx?

Rebecca Chernoff

2:28 PM

Won't log me in even if I follow the instructions on the global auth help page. It just taunts me with ok! on all the tests >_<

radp

@RebeccaChernoff Push the button! (← webapps link)

(Humming to the Chemical Brothers is compulsory thorough the ghetto login process.)

Rebecca Chernoff

@YiJiang I was doing a .find(".mention") on .message rather than parsing out text.

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff Do a filter with a regex

Rebecca Chernoff

Yup.

Just messier.

Tim Stone

Oh, it looks like I was logged out of chat.SE too..hrm

Rebecca Chernoff

2:39 PM

Also, another problem is that the livequery plugin processes all existing messages as well, so any @mentions present in the initial page load will also load desktop notifications.

Heh.

@TimStone Yeah, I was overnight as well.

Tim Stone

shakes fist at it and logs back in

radp

Every time this year, I wish I'd brought wpa cracking stuff with me

(and learned how to use them.)

The Unhandled Exception

Morning everyone!

Rebecca Chernoff

allo

The Unhandled Exception

How are you this morning @Rebecca? Isn't it early for someone without a job to be up? :-)

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Rebecca Chernoff

2:48 PM

oy

Dan Grossman

The Unhandled Exception

...I wasn't trying to say anything funny or "oy" worthy there...

Rebecca Chernoff

My sister had to go to work an hour and a half ago. Woke me up. ):

The Unhandled Exception

Oh -- that explains it -- Ug

Rebecca Chernoff

So, instead of sleeping in I'm adding desktop notification support for Chrome users on @mentions to the userscript.

ircmaxell

2:50 PM

nice!

The Unhandled Exception

@RebeccaChernoff Awesome, this is a more productive use of a programmer's time anyway!

Yi Jiang

@TheUnhandledException Right! Who needs this sleep thingadongdong anyway?

The Unhandled Exception

I just read a blurb this morning that said computer engineers suffer from insomnia at a 30% greater rate than the rest of the general population

radp

@TheUnhandledException Did you see my mention? :)

The Unhandled Exception

It reminded me of @TimStone

radp

2:52 PM

@TheUnhandledException The remainder of the population catches up with disco

The Unhandled Exception

@radp ...no... *goes to check the SuperCollider

Yi Jiang

@TheUnhandledException Sounds about right!

radp

38 mins ago, by balpha

@RebeccaChernoff http://chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/message/414542?plain=true

Tim Stone

@TheUnhandledException Hahah...I was sleeping nicely this morning until I got a phone call :P

The Unhandled Exception

@TimStone Was it from @Rebecca asking why you weren't on chat? ;-)

@radp It's like a trail of breadcumbs! Follow the link trail to see how far the rabbit hole goes...

Tim Stone

2:55 PM

Hah, I don't think I was gone so long anyone was out looking for me ;)

The Unhandled Exception

oh haha

@radp I actually did see the original message by @balpha in the list of starred messages

Yi Jiang

I'm very very sure this is already implemented. Am I right?

2

Q: Answer question, hit submit and seeing "sorry, this question has been deleted"

I've twice now in the last 24 hours had a user delete his/her question while I was busy typing up an answer. I had no indication while writing the answers that the question was deleted while writing out my answer. This is obviously hugely frustrating. Can we perhaps get a notification that the q...

radp

@TheUnhandledException so now you can do proper markdown parsing :)

Tim Stone

@YiJiang No, I don't think so (only when new answers are posted, and only sometimes)..but it's been requested at least three times.

radp

@YiJiang For closed questions, definitely.

Self-deleted questions I don't think so.

Tim Stone

2:57 PM

Oh, for closed questions too? I guess I've never tried to answer anything I knew was getting closed. :P

The Unhandled Exception

@radp oh, because it's ?plain=true ?

radp

@TheUnhandledException Yes

The Unhandled Exception

AHHHHH, I get it now. Thanks!

Yi Jiang

@radp Not for closed, I think - I remember that you can still post answers to closed questions as long as you can replicate all of the post variables correctly

The Unhandled Exception

Sorry. It's early for me this morning ;-)

That is actually helpful @radp

Yi Jiang

2:58 PM

@TimStone Really? Because I remember seeing a deleted question warning at least ones before, though not recently, so I might have been mistaken

The Unhandled Exception

I'm going to grab some breakfast. Catch you guys later!

Yi Jiang

> if it detects a question is closed, locked, or deleted. In this case, the answerer is now informed of a question's new status

Tim Stone

Ah, yeah.

Yi Jiang

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A: Question Answered After it was Closed?

For this edge case, we didn't want to be too strict on users that were in the process of submitting an answer. As Robert Harvey stated perfectly, we will still accept an answer to a closed question if it was started before the closing occurred. However, we also do not want new answers to closed...

He mentioned deleted, so I think it's already implemented

Tim Stone

Yeah, I found something else along those lines too, so I guess it is.

The check only happens every 45 seconds though, so maybe the timing was just off or something for that person. shrugs

radp

3:03 PM

@YiJiang Yes, for answers too. "This question has been closed and accepts no further answers."

Yi Jiang

@radp Yeah, the answer mentioned closed.

radp

I didn't try submitting the answer after this message was shown, but the message definitely was shown.

Yi Jiang

I did remember a bug report for a test answer posted 18 hours after the question was closed, by someone replicating the POST variable. Though both my memory and SO's search system sucks, so...

Ah, here's the one:

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Q: It's possible to answer a closed question no matter how old.

This was spotted first on MathOverflow, but the method works fine here as well so I presume it's also possible on the other SE sites. Someone noticed that a closed question had been answered after it had been closed. The timeframe was a few minutes between closing and answering. There was a bi...

bug status-completed closed-questions

Dan Grossman

radp

3:31 PM

Sigh, I can't post to StackOverflow

"400 - Bad Request - Invalid Header"

turns off turbo

answers yet another captcha

One day, Jeff will decide to rate limiting captcha answers. Then we'll all be doomed.

"You're solving captchas too fast, you must be a robot!"

Yi Jiang

@radp To prove otherwise, solve this... oh

radp

Oh lord.

I asked an easy question on Stack overflow.

Without realizing it, to my defense.

Yi Jiang

@radp Don't we all?

Out of my five questions on SO, one of them is this:

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Q: Replicating Codeigniter's humanize() and underscore() function in Javascript

I'm trying to replicate CI's humanize() and underscore() function in Javascript. From the CI documentation, underscore() takes multiple words separated by spaces and underscores them while humanize() takes multiple words separated by underscores and adds spaces between them. The CI implementati...

javascript regex string-manipulation

The solution is about 4 times shorter than the question

radp

Now I'll get wtfzomgbbq flooded by identical answers or something.

(well, okay, I only have 2 so far, posted within 12 seconds of each other.)

Dear Santa, please give me 1.5k more rep on Area51 so I can edit.

(Alternatively I can do with 5,000,000 reps on SO.)

Rebecca Chernoff

3:56 PM

Hmm, someone notified me in here and then deleted the message. >_<

I saw that. >_<

This is going to be a new game for you, isn't it?

sighs

radp

badp@delta:~/Youtube$ youtube-dl youtube.com/watch?v=U4oB28ksiIo
[download]   1.7% of 44.24M at    2.47k/s ETA --:--
#on another terminal
badp@delta:~/Youtube$ tail -f U4oB28ksiIo.flv.part | pv -s $((4424*1024*1024/100)) > /dev/null
 179kB 0:01:33 [   0B/s ] [>                                  ]  0% ETA 6:29:43

>_<

yay, 500kB!

Yi Jiang

@radp That... looks amazingly similar to my attempt at downloading a YouTube video through Tor while in China

radp

@YiJiang Yes, but that's limited by the maximum size of DNS requests IIRC :)

(AFAIK Tor piggybacks on DNS to transfer data.)

Yi Jiang

@radp I thought it was just a chain of encrypted gateways run by volunteers in non-censored countries

radp

@YiJiang ...piggybacking on DNS

radp

4:31 PM

does anyone have a link to my dilbert spoof on programming cartoons?

Yi Jiang

@radp Hmmm? Which one?

radp

"THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TESTS AND REALITY"

Four panels.

Yi Jiang

@radp Don't remember seeing one like that

radp

waits for dropbox.com to load. :|

Rebecca Chernoff

anybody know what Diaspora is? Is it a desktop app or web app?

Yi Jiang

4:38 PM

@RebeccaChernoff It's an Open Source version of Facebook if I can remember it correctly

Don't know much other than that

Rebecca Chernoff

Diaspora (software)

Diaspora (stylized DIASPORA*) is a free personal web server that implements a distributed social networking service. The project is currently under development by Dan Grippi, Maxwell Salzberg, Raphael Sofaer, and Ilya Zhitomirskiy, students at New York University's Courant Institute of Mathematical Sciences. The group received donations in excess of $200,000 via Kickstarter. The developers aim for it to be a decentralized alternative to social network services like Facebook. In an interview with the New York Times Soafer said, "We don't need to hand our messages to a hub. What Facebook gi...

> a free personal web server

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff It's the Social Networking part that they put more emphasis on

Rebecca Chernoff

Question got migrated from SU to WA but I'm wondering if it should've been.

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff It is, to the best of my knowledge, a Web Application

Social Networking sites aren't really desktop apps, are they?

radp

@RebeccaChernoff It's either SF/SU (hosting it) or WA (using it)

Rebecca Chernoff

4:42 PM

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Q: Distributed nature of Diaspora

(I hoe this is the right location for this question. Apologies if it is not) So diaspora is distributed in nature with various "seed" servers (from what I understand, similar to IRC node servers) Will all users in all the various seed servers be connectable to all other users on the other seeds...

social-networking

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff Not a good fit for WA - it's asking about the infrastructure behind diaspora - not about using it

radp

@RebeccaChernoff Poor migration choice, should've been SO (asking how software can possibly work)

Yi Jiang

But I'd hate to see it bouncing around like this

Rebecca Chernoff

I asked about it in the ask-a-su-mod room, but I'm the only one there. (;

radp

Although the first half of the answer is on topic for your site.

And the second could be tolerated because of the first.

@RebeccaChernoff /blame @Ivo

Yi Jiang

4:46 PM

Tell me, am I the only one to see this? Seems like a part of the sprite file is missing

Rebecca Chernoff

You're not. You posting on MWA? (:

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff Will do

Rebecca Chernoff

\o/

Yi Jiang

Let me do some digging first to find the source of the bug

Rebecca Chernoff

These desktop notifications are sexy. \o/

Yi Jiang

4:52 PM

I think I know the culprit

This is what they're suppose to look like, right?

0

Q: Selected navigation menu items missing background color

This is how Web Application's tabs are suppose to look like when they are selected or hovered over: and this is what they look like now: The culprit I have found is that the .nav .youarehere list item's style is been overridden by the sprite styles, which have higher specificity. The foll...

bug design

Dan Grossman

5:09 PM

The end of a very long, pointless "support chat" from a non-user...

webuser8.60028@im.olark.com: so in browser section the intenet explrer has give more rathing though firefox and chrome have much more speed that IE

webuser8.60028@im.olark.com: what u say about it?

Dan Grossman: I am here to provide support for users of W3Counter. I'm sure you can find someone that wants to discuss those things with you.

webuser8.60028@im.olark.com: oh

webuser8.60028@im.olark.com: so can u pls give the link???????????????????

Tim Stone

5:33 PM

yawns Hmm

Fosco

6:30 PM

Merry Christmas Eve!

Tim Stone

'Ello @Fosco, you too!

Fosco

I need a Santa hat...

Tim Stone

I need to vacuum... cleans up floor so he can do so

Dan Grossman

6:52 PM

Full employment theorem

In computer science and mathematics, the term full employment theorem has been used to refer to a theorem showing that no algorithm can optimally perform a particular task done by some class of professionals. The name arises because such a theorem ensures that there is endless scope to keep discovering new techniques to improve the way a specific task is done. For example, the full employment theorem for compiler writers states that there is no such thing as a perfect size-optimizing compiler, as such a compiler would have to detect non-terminating computations and reduce them to a one-inst...

Tyler Chacha

7:25 PM

Can someone write a bot that just says "Hello" to me everytime I enter the room..

That would save the rest of you the hassle, and it would make me feel good :)

Dan Grossman

Sorry, the kitten bot's only on SO chat!

Tyler Chacha

7:42 PM

Why am I banned from the Kitten bot?

Maxim Zaslavsky

8:28 PM

you can write bots now?

Dan Grossman

You can always write bots

Worst case scenario, you point a camera at the screen and have a robot peck at the keyboard in response. You can always write bots.

Maxim Zaslavsky

in soviet russia, bots write you!

but is there an api or something like that for bots now?

Dan Grossman

No. But chat is pretty simple to write a bot for. You're just parsing incoming text and sending text in response. You could even write it in JavaScript and just run it as a user script in your browser window.

Maxim Zaslavsky

cool!

ircmaxell

Oh, you'd better not pout,
You'd better not try{},
You'd better not cout,
I'm telling you why,
Santa Clause is SSHing to town!

He's linking a list
and diffing it twice,
He's gonna find out
The value of nice(0),
Santa Clause is SSHing to town!

He sees you where you're TCPing
He knows how you've used make,
He's copied on /var/spool/mail/root,
So be good for goodness' sake!

Oh, you'd better not pout,
You'd better not try{},
You'd better not cout,
I'm telling you why,
Santa Clause is SSHing to town!

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Maxim Zaslavsky

8:49 PM

rofl

ircmaxell

Modified from forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=67109#p2434848 (the first and last verses are the same, as well as a few other lines)

Rebecca Chernoff

10:04 PM

Allo @Pekka

Bye @Pekka (;

Pekka

Hi @Rebecca :)

your @'s caught me just in time

I was about to fly out.

Rebecca Chernoff

q:

Pekka

Everything all right in .... (looking up where @rchern lives) ?

Moscow Oblast?

Oh, Missouri

Rebecca Chernoff

o: Moscow?

ah, hehehehe

Pekka

Ahhh, because MI was already taken

I see, I see

Rebecca Chernoff

10:09 PM

I'm actually in Kansas now. q:

Pekka

Fair enough, fair enough

What time is it in Kansas?

Rebecca Chernoff

But yes, things are good. Boring. >_< Nobody is awake/here right now.

16:10

Pekka

Ah! 23:10 over here.

Snowy in Kansas?

Rebecca Chernoff

No. Was a degree above freezing. We got quite a bit of rain.

A couple degrees colder though... ):

Pekka

We have loads of snow, for the first time in ages

I'll have to wade through it a bit before I go to bed

It is a rare occasion that Meta.SO chat is this empty, isn't it?

It clearly is christmas

Rebecca Chernoff

10:13 PM

Silly holidays. (;

I'm pretty much hanging out in an empty house until Sunday. ):

oooh, with the apple touch icon, the desktop notification looks sweet

Pekka

Oh! Well, make the most of it, an empty house is the chance for some tranquility :)

I didn't feel like family holidays this year so I stayed at home, and will probably work through the holidays... I am striving for the enlightened state of unemployment in January and I have a lot of stuff to do until then :)

Rebecca Chernoff

True. A bit too much! q:

Striving for unemployment? Hehehe

Pekka

Yeah, I'm switching careers

From IT to .... something new

Rebecca Chernoff

That's what I've been doing too. Not the 12 days of Christmas, the 12 days of unemployment.

Pekka

Writing loads of applications, we'll see where life takes me.

Rebecca Chernoff

10:18 PM

...something new?

hehe

Pekka

Hehehe! Well, 12 days sounds pretty sweet

Something new = something more away from the computer

no more programming. I've been looking mostly in the tourism field here in the city

Something to put my english to some use would be nice

Rebecca Chernoff

That would definitely be a change.

Pekka

Yeah. I'll be free some time in January, but honestly I'd appreciate some time in between, haven't had a decent vacation in years

So I'm looking for jobs and applying of course, but not for the first day after my desk is empty. We shall see

Rebecca Chernoff

Well hope it all works out for you. (:

Pekka

Yeah, thanks! It definitely is exciting.

I think I'll take a walk in the snow for a while now

Merry christmas and a nice evening!

Or night, depending on your time zone.

radp

10:23 PM

Happy December the 25th banquets

Rebecca Chernoff

(:

Tim Stone

@Pekka You too, enjoy your walk! :)

radp

I guess food is cross religion acceptable :P

Tim Stone

Food is always acceptable :P

radp

although some will not have as much bacon as others.

Tim Stone

10:27 PM

demands bacon for all

Rebecca Chernoff

Hmm, what I have done to the userscript such that it thinks I've changed the entire file? |:

radp

I don't think we're planning any indeed

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff You mean in diff? Uh oh

@radp Hm, I better send you some express mail, although I fear we may need teleportation...to Portal!

radp

@reb Inverted smieys in all comments again

Rebecca Chernoff

@TimStone yeah, was going to commit the desktop notifications

Tim Stone

10:29 PM

It seems that I've finished all of the non-online achievements for NFS:HP...Wonder if I should start playing a different game now, or do some work...

@RebeccaChernoff Ack, that's uncool. It's just highlighting entire lines, or?

radp

maybe you could start playing the game proper instead

Tim Stone

How so? :P

Rebecca Chernoff

squees

Tim Stone

I'm not going to lie, that's pretty sweet ;)

radp

you paid to be berated by annoying teenagers

time you get your money's worth

Tim Stone

10:31 PM

Ah, right. That's kind of why I've been avoiding online, I don't know if I have to acknowledge that people are people. :P

Rebecca Chernoff

And yeah, says @@ -1,1238 +1,1257 @@ and then shows the whole file in red, followed by the entire new file in green.

radp

@reb should've done smaller commits :(

Rebecca Chernoff

I added 10 lines. |:

Tim Stone

Hmm...

Rebecca Chernoff

It isn't auto-formatting if I put a brace at the wrong indentation either. Hrm. jslint time!

radp

10:36 PM

maybe the encoding changed?

Rebecca Chernoff

Damn. Even if I reset my changes (have them elsewhere, all good), VS still won't auto-format. @TimStone what did you doooooo? (;

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff Oh, it's my fault now eh? ;)

Rebecca Chernoff

VS could format it before I pulled your changes. q:

JSLint led me towards a few missing ; and a couple extra. VS seems happy now.

Tim Stone

\o/

Was it my bad? :P

I don't even remember what I changed now, heheh.

Rebecca Chernoff

Dammit, diff still says I've modified the entire file.

Tim Stone

10:50 PM

Hmm..

Rebecca Chernoff

Did you check in with spaces or something?

Hmm, no, looks like tabs.

Tim Stone

I'd suspect that I mishandled the pull request, but kdiff is only looking at the file contents right?

Rebecca Chernoff

believe so

Tim Stone

Oh...

I see the problem.

I think..

Rebecca Chernoff

?

Tim Stone

10:57 PM

Well, the line endings are different in SEChatModifications versus SEModifications

Though I would have suspected someone would have seen this going in the other direction if it had suddenly changed..

SEModifications is CRLF and SEChatModifications is (currently at least) just LF

Rebecca Chernoff

hrm

...the heck?

Tim Stone

Iunno :P

Rebecca Chernoff

I don't want to mess up the revisions listing by committing. ):

Tim Stone

Hm, it seems like it's actually been this way for a long time, so I guess that's not the issue.

Rebecca Chernoff

Long time in realtime or in number of commits?

Tim Stone

11:04 PM

@RebeccaChernoff As in always, apparently :P

It's SEModifications that changed, let's find out when.

Not that it's an issue.

Rebecca Chernoff

If I just add a random character it is fine. It is just when I type a ; or } that causes VS to format the document. But I've never had a problem with that messing with the diff before. ):

Tim Stone

Ohhh.

Wonder if it's shoving something weird in there..

Heh, turns out that the CRLF/LF thing was my bad.

Not...sure how I didn't notice the whole file being replaced.

Also not sure how that happened to begin with.

Rebecca Chernoff

But only on SEMod, not SEChatMod?

Tim Stone

Yeah, SEChatMod is fine. You wanna give me the new version of the file on dropbox or something so I can take a peek at it?

github.com/rchern/StackExchangeScripts/commit/…

I feel like that was blatantly obvious. Bonus points to Jeff, I guess.

Apparently I missed that in the TortoiseHg commit diff window.

Rebecca Chernoff

11:23 PM

Bonus points to Jeff?

Tim Stone

He was griping about how poor the UI was on Hg GUIs

Seeing as how I didn't realize that happened, I guess that's credit towards that statement. :P

Rebecca Chernoff

Ah, right. I recall said discussion. (:

Tim Stone

(the commit diff is shoved down in the right corner, so it is easy to ignore if you think you know what's going on, but since I can be wrong, that's a bit of an issue, heh)

Yeah. :)

Rebecca Chernoff

VS is auto-formatting, but the indentation is wrong. I'll have to fiddle, but I can't now. |:

Tim Stone

I'll wait patiently for my super cool desktop notifications then :P

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