Tavern on the Meta

ah well, now that I've had a small nip I'm off to the house. I'm not entirely sure what I'm doing tonight, but when I get home for the night I'm sure I'll get online for a minute or 30

The Unhandled Exception

Although, I guess it is a bit tough to pay attention if you're drunk, so, your story is believeble @Zypher ;-)

Zypher

12:10 AM

yes but hitler drank!

/conversation

The Unhandled Exception

ahahaha

Tim Stone

@drachenstern So long for now :P

drachenstern

@Zypher and I heard he was an artist too, what's your point?

The Unhandled Exception

@drachenstern Later!

drachenstern

@Zypher lmao at </conversation>

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Q: So eclipse and xdebug walk into a bar, and then my apache server dies

I am using windows xp, wamp, apache2, php 5.3, eclipse php, and xdebug, running on localhost as both a virtualhost and an https virtualhost I had sucesfully managed, somehow, to setup eclipse and xdebug and all was well. Then I had to make an svn branch of my project, and reconfigure apache wit...

since there's a serveradmin and several php'ers in here, anybody got any ideas on that one? and I LOVE his title.

ciao

Zypher

12:13 AM

real men debug with <?php echo() ?>

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The Unhandled Exception

@Zypher Aye

mootinator

@drachenstern Am not.

I was wallowing in self-pity over not having a drink poured for me and not doing something else at all.

Zypher

am i the only one that still writes interpreted language code in .. you know ... a text editor ??

Tyler Chacha

Yes

bemace

I use jEdit for everything. Everytime I try an IDE I get fed up before I even get things configured

Tyler Chacha

12:17 AM

I wrote a program that takes all of my thoughts and converts them into flawless code

that was the last time I ever used an editor

mootinator

Whan I was writing C I still used vi.

But that's so 2007.

Zypher

@mootinator i still write 90% of my stuff in vi ;)

Tyler Chacha

The reason Triton exists is because I decided to test out the program while sleeping

Zypher

ah that explains alot

:-D

mootinator

bbiab

Zypher

12:27 AM

@moot leaves and everyone stops talking ... are you all his sock puppets?

drachenstern

Mebe

I'm only here for a moment before leaving again of course

The Unhandled Exception

@Zypher I am following his instructions and working

That, and also I want to have Christmas off, so...

My code has teh bugz

Zypher

aww that is sad

but why does you code have teh bugz

The Unhandled Exception

because the programmer made teh mistakez

I blame the sock

Zypher

hrm

Josh's Socks

12:32 AM

@TheUnhandledException A better explanation would be because the programmer was chatting all day instead of working...

The Unhandled Exception

Welcome @Remou

drachenstern

Terrible reason there sock

The Unhandled Exception

LOL

I am headed off to find some food, that will help me code beter. catch you guys later!

Remou

@The Hi

A bar, hmm a good place to lurk and read :)

drachenstern

12:54 AM

Indeed so. Hello remou

Rebecca Chernoff

@The and @Tim, I got the chat room an unclear supply of oys. No mailing address needed.

5

(:

Gah stupid iphone. Unlimited!

Too bad I can't edit it. ):

Tim Stone

Heheh :)

Rebecca Chernoff

blames balpha and marc

drachenstern

0

Q: How to recover reputation and badges from when I was an unregistered user stackoverflow.com

I posted some question in stackoverflow.com, I got some badges and reputation; I cleaned cookies in browser and now I am not able to continue asking under that unregistered user. Is there a way for me to recover that reputation, badges, and history?

support user-accounts

0

Q: I posted some question in stackoverflow, I got some badges and reputation; I clean my cookies recovery

I posted some question in stackoverflow, I got some badges and reputation; I cleaned cookies from browser and now I am not able to continue using the same user I was. How can I recover, register and recover, this user?

user

Deja vu

Or should I say "Deja qu"?

You can edit on the iPhone, for the last one

Tim Stone

Someone convince me not to recklessly spend money. :P

mootinator

1:08 AM

@Zypher I have to assume so.

drachenstern

Give it to me tim

Pretend you're going to

Yi Jiang

Hit the rep cap on Meta. \o/

Tim Stone

@drachenstern I'm not sure that has the same cost-benefit ratio..

drachenstern

Yatta!

I was trying ... iPhone

Tim Stone

shakes fist at temptation

drachenstern

1:12 AM

Ok Tim 5 why's you should buy it

Rubber duck the analysis

Rebecca Chernoff

Lol

drachenstern

You want to be talked out of it, let's hear it ...

Tim Stone

I just want a unique shiny thing, but I know it's not worth putting up this kind of money for, heh.

drachenstern

I think he already bought it, taking so long

What unique shiny thing?

Tim Stone

I'm playing NFS to distract myself.

Eh..

Looking at the amount again I think I've convinced myself just to let it go. :P

drachenstern

1:19 AM

So what was the gewgaw?

Tim Stone

You're going to think I'm insane :P

I matched the bid on this

But that's an excessive amount of money for just that, so.

Tyler Chacha

HELL HATH NO FURY LIKE A WEB APPLICATION DOWN ALL DAY!!!!

Tim Stone

Twitter and/or Skype?

Tyler Chacha

Skype

drachenstern

700 is a bit high yea

Yi Jiang

1:27 AM

HELL HATH NO FURY LIKE @TylerChacha SCREAMING HELL HATH NO FURY. ALL DAY LONG.

2

Tim Stone

@drachenstern Just to be clear, I'm normally very, very conservative with my money, which may have been what provoked me to try, heh. :P

Tyler Chacha

room topic changed to The Tavern (General): Hell hath no fury like a drunken man with a keyboard.

drachenstern

500 I would tho, on account of the charity. A new boxed set is normally 60-80 especially for with lots of extras. A complete set is usually worth slightly more too. With posters for a collector, not overly egregious at 500. 700 I too would stop

Tim Stone

@drachenstern Yeah, then I got the gambler's logic where "Well, it would suck if I didn't win just because I didn't go $10 higher", but :P

In unrelated news, my university ranks #12 on the list of top paying colleges by PayScale.com apparently.

drachenstern

You work for a uni?

Gamblers logic does suck

Tim Stone

1:37 AM

@drachenstern Nah, it was based on average mid-career salaries by university attended

drachenstern

@moot +1 upvote on the comment to Jeff re tipping

mootinator

1:58 AM

cricket sounds

drachenstern

Yep

Tim Stone

Heh :P

drachenstern

Don't blame me I'm on my phone

jleedev

Don't blame me, I voted for Nader

Tyler Chacha

Don't blame me, I'm italian..

mootinator

2:15 AM

@drachenstern Does my compromise sound workable to you?

drachenstern

2:34 AM

Link me?

mootinator

Just a comment:

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A: Tip Feature for Helpful Chatters/Commenters

I think this runs counter to the entire philosophy of chat. It is a "third place" that has a different flow, and a different set of dynamics than "home" (Stack Overflow) and "work" (Meta Stack Overflow). http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/04/do-trilogy-sites-need-a-third-place/ Chat is more aki...

Oh gawd, "CityVille" just bugged on me. shakes fist in Zynga's general direction

drachenstern

I'm personally still not 100% on that one. I think Jeff is ignoring that we commonly have our friends to our house and we routinely go to the pub with same said friends. We may or may not work with our friends, but we assuredly ask our friends for work advice. Same set of general scenario for our coworkers. More complete thoughts when I get back to a real keyboard.

Rebecca Chernoff

a tip feature?

|:

mootinator

/:

@RebeccaChernoff My next suggestion is going to be a rep blackjack table and rep VLTs.

Rebecca Chernoff

2:50 AM

I like blackjack. ^__^

...and... very large telescope?

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff Why not? It could be useful for the astronomy proposal :P

Rebecca Chernoff

Obviously.

mootinator

Hehe :)

Video Lottery Terminal

A Video Lottery Terminal or VLT is a gaming machine that allows gamblers to bet on the outcome of a video game. A VLT is similar to a slot machine, except that it is connected to a centralized computer system that determines the outcome of each wager using a random number generator. Although the outcome of each wager is random, VLT operators are able to program in advance the total amount and number of payouts that its central computer system will allow at its connected VLTs. In this manner, VLTs can be thought of as computerized scratch-off lottery tickets. Canada New Brunswick was the ...

Tim Stone

@drachenstern Hm, damn. Looks like $700 is going to win it after all. But, I can buy those new graphics cards I wanted with that money, so. :P

drachenstern

5 why's!!

Tim Stone

2:59 AM

Eyefinity!

drachenstern

1, gimme 4 more ;)

Tim Stone

That counts as up to six reasons ;)

Rebecca Chernoff

39

A: Lol Debugging are we? - SO homepage alerts false

This one was my fault. UPDATE: Our 5 Why Assessment of the situation Problem: there is an alert on every page of Stack Overflow Why? Because Matt deployed a version of the Careers ad code with a debugging line in it Why? Because he forgot to remove it before pushing his change Why? Because...

drachenstern

Lol

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff Well played :P

Oh snap

Rebecca Chernoff

3:00 AM

Would you expect anything else from me? (;

Tim Stone

Someone just auction sniped :P

$810 now

@RebeccaChernoff Of course not. ;)

Tyler Chacha

HELL HATH NO FURY LIKE @RebeccaChernoff

Tim Stone

lmao, $1K

This guy really wants it.

Rebecca Chernoff

@TylerChacha o:

Aiden Bell

ola

Rebecca Chernoff

3:03 AM

Hey @TimStone, you test out the new version of SEKeyboardShortcuts by any chance? Just curious, no pressure.

Tyler Chacha

Hello

Aiden Bell

Im probably late to notice, but [firstname] [surname] convention seems to be growing

Tyler Chacha

Do you really think my surname is Chacha?

Aiden Bell

Who knows ... isn't it?

People round here have surnames like shufflebottom and fingersniff so

Tyler Chacha

Click here and find out goo.gl/AQBqE

Tim Stone

3:05 AM

@RebeccaChernoff Hrm, no... writes a note to self

Would probably help if I stop sleeping so much, not sure what's up with that :P

Aiden Bell

Ah. oh well, makes no odds to me lol

Tyler Chacha

I need to clean up my blog

Aiden Bell

Any drama been happening lately?

Tyler Chacha

it looked alright for a while, but it should look cleaner/more in-line with the rest of my sites

Aiden Bell

saving the usual @YiJiang hijinks, smileys and stars

Rebecca Chernoff

3:07 AM

@TimStone You could just install it now. (;

Tim Stone

@AidenBell We couldn't be up to proper shenanigans without you around, of course ;)

Tyler Chacha

11 hours ago, by Tyler Chacha

@TheUnhandledException Hell hath no fury like a flooded backyard...

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff Point taken. :P

Tyler Chacha

1 hour ago, by Tyler Chacha

HELL HATH NO FURY LIKE A WEB APPLICATION DOWN ALL DAY!!!!

1 hour ago, by Tyler Chacha

room topic changed to The Tavern (General): Hell hath no fury like a drunken man with a keyboard.

11 hours ago, by Tyler Chacha

Hell hath no fury like a multi-colored christmas-themed chat window

6 mins ago, by Tyler Chacha

HELL HATH NO FURY LIKE @RebeccaChernoff

1 hour ago, by Yi Jiang

HELL HATH NO FURY LIKE @TylerChacha SCREAMING HELL HATH NO FURY. ALL DAY LONG.

Rebecca Chernoff

...

Tyler Chacha

3:08 AM

Enough Drama for you?

Aiden Bell

@TimStone - well I have been boring reading code.google.com/web/ajaxcrawling/docs/specification.html and dreaming of pure HTML+Javascript+REST apps that are google friendly

@TylerChacha - the usual then lol

Also "Fatal Error: Class DateTime not found"

mootinator

blink

Tim Stone

@AidenBell Ah ha, I see.

Aiden Bell

@TimStone - Don't know if you recall an API+Parallel Front-end development model I was banging on about a while back. The crawling issue was a show-stopper. That article is interesting, though using HTMLUnit is a bit dirty, id rather see a dedicated DOM generator like a headless Firefox, only without the 200year startup time. Google "pywebkit GNU" is interesting, but early days.

Can't be that hard, V8/Jaegermonkey+DOM bindings+buffer maintainer

Also, question to all: Does anyone really use SSI?

as in Server Side Includes

Tim Stone

3:28 AM

Ah yeah. I hadn't even considered that at the time.

Heh, I haven't even heard anyone mention that in the longest time :P

Aiden Bell

@TimStone - well, I want to serve just HTML+JS ... but that leaves server-side templating. I don't want to bring PHP or Python in there really

I would rather use a sed script! Which is practically SSI

mootinator

3:45 AM

Peace. I hate the word. As I hate hell, all Montagues, and thee.

Tyler Chacha

Quoting Shakespeare are we?

drachenstern

Crap! Somebody reboot @mootinator. He's gone all offkilter.

reboots

I had a dream last night. And it hit me like a druuuuuug.

Dammit!

That's not even a real lyric from that song. Wow, talent.

►

drachenstern

4:02 AM

@Dan u on?

Curious to see what IP I report as and get geolocated to

Somebody on a pc able to link me to his script easily?

waffles

4:18 AM

@drachen sorry ... but that room was meant to be private ... turns out SO devs do not know how to use chat

drachenstern

Lol, no prob. On my phone being nosy ;)

Was curious why it didn't want to load

Figured it was my Edge connection

mootinator

K.

waffles

My finger is itchy on the trigger today ... been having a deletion party stackoverflow.com/review/…

mootinator

Leaving before I make a further spectacle of myself.

MPelletier

Greetings. Quick question, perhaps not the most appropriate place, but perhaps the only that's open. Do mods have the power to convert an answer into a comment?

waffles

4:24 AM

@MPalletier ... no

but to be honest the need for it only rarely pops up

MPelletier

@waffels. Damn. they should. That Review thingie is pretty telling

drachenstern

Bbl

Rebecca Chernoff

LOL

oh man

MPelletier

gah, sorry for the misspelling

waffles

keep in mind ... quality is much improved with the new answer EULA and size restriction

Rebecca Chernoff

4:25 AM

I pulled my old WinBook out of the closet.

Used it in college. Until I spilled Dr Pepper over the keyboard.

Laptop works, keyboard doesn't. So I have the laptop on my lap with a wireless keyboard on top of the laptop keyboard.

waffles

@MPelletier look at the first answers from today: stackoverflow.com/review/… ... very few are horrid

a week ago when I was looking at the list almost everything was rubbish

MPelletier

@waffles: I looked at the last answers. Incidentally, the first 2 are "thanks" and "me toos"

So, there's a new EULA? People read those? ;)

waffles

@MPelletier well ... I need to start logging how effective it is ... we are only logging when people click the "submit this crap anyway button"

MPelletier

@waffles: I still see a lot of thank you's as first posts. What were they like last week?

waffles

stackoverflow.com/questions/how-to-answer

they were much worse when we were allowing 15 char answers

Rebecca Chernoff

4:30 AM

Thank you so very much kind people!

MPelletier

OK! So, now, based on some voodoo text recognition, that text pops up when there's a warning of bad content?

waffles

@RebeccaChernoff you feeling any better ?

Rebecca Chernoff

Yes!

waffles

@MPelletier not that voodoo ... you can see the scores we calculate here: stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts ... less than 80 means warning

Rebecca Chernoff

Not 100%, but I'll go for 90%.

waffles

4:32 AM

the warning/eula only shows up for new users (aka less than 15 rep)

@RebeccaChernoff good to hear

MPelletier

This is all on the blog and I'm making you repeat, I'm afraid :S

But now I'm curious as to how the score is calculated

waffles

mainly string entropy with a few customizations that penalize ? and so on

MPelletier

"give me teh codez" == -30 points? ;)

waffles

probably :)

Rebecca Chernoff

@waffles Thank you. (:

MPelletier

4:34 AM

ingenious!

Ever notice how many questions in the tumbleweed badge page are of the same format: long story, sample code, log

I actually did one of those (my last), not as a test, but now I'm guessing it's going to tumbleweed

waffles

@RebeccaChernoff can you please refrain from using the phrase "thank you" I am kind of burned out ... stackoverflow.com/review/… :)

I kind of dislike tumbleweed ... not sure it encourages good behavior + its totally random

MPelletier

@waffles BTW, what's the policy on "thank you" answers?

Yi Jiang

@waffles Dear sirs.... tank you 4 implementing teh review pagez :) ,, now can you haz gave me teh codez to ma homeworks!!!? - Yi Jiang

Rebecca Chernoff

@waffles Hahahaha. Fine. I take back my gratitude and appreciation. q:

waffles

my policy is delete without prejudice ... we floated the idea of adding a notification in a users inbox about it ... but that would only lead to more grief

MPelletier

4:39 AM

Tumbleweed is random, but at the same time I kinda saw that trend, that format: long story, code, log, means it flies below the radar. Better yet, "How do I" must have a better answer rate than "What's happening here"

waffles

I am trying to convince Jeff that its a good idea to allow for the immediate recovery of a (-1) penalty when a shitty answer gets deleted

that way people could downvote them more freely

Rebecca Chernoff

Does downvoting really have an effect though?

New users with 1 rep don't get a rep penalty.

waffles

yes ... it floats the crap to the top of the /review lists

makes it much easier to find stuff to delete

and flag for mod attention is ... more work

Rebecca Chernoff

Well, I suppose I meant in terms of helping the post author.

But that too. (;

Tyler Chacha

Hello

MPelletier

4:41 AM

@waffles OK, I won't flag anymore :(

Yi Jiang

@waffles Oh, so downvotes are part of the algorithm too? Can't we have that old suggestion for 'flag as non-answer' or something like that

MPelletier

What Yi Jiang just said

Rebecca Chernoff

50 secs ago, by Yi Jiang

@waffles Oh, so downvotes are part of the algorithm too? Can't we have that old suggestion for 'flag as non-answer' or something like that

waffles

@Rebecca ... well the eula helps there : stackoverflow.com/questions/how-to-answer

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff Oh haha...

waffles

4:42 AM

@Yi can you link to that suggestion ?

Rebecca Chernoff

@waffles Do you have statistics on how many people click each link?

MPelletier

That certainly has been suggested dozens of times on meta...

waffles

@Yi, the downvotes are just the sort order ... eg: stackoverflow.com/review/…

that allows us to find all the mess that should be deleted

@RebeccaChernoff working on it ... need to start storing it in redis

Rebecca Chernoff

Ah, was just curious.

Yi Jiang

Found one:

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Q: Add option to flag "useless" answers

It would be nice to flag "useless" answers, those that aren't really spam, but still are junk. For example see the OP's post on: http://serverfault.com/questions/75499/how-to-install-enable-ftpcopy-binary-and-mysqldump-binary-on-whm-cpanel If it's been removed the OP left an answer of just: ...

feature-request flagging

I'm quite sure there are duplicates

waffles

4:45 AM

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Q: Feature Request: Ability to flag an answer as "not an answer" or "should be a comment"

Occasionally a users who are new to the site post questions without quite grasping that this isn't a traditional threaded message board. I've seen numerous occasions where these users try to respond to answers by posting another answer (in fact three times on this question). It is an understand...

feature-request flagging

2

it was linked

Yi Jiang

@waffles Ah, yes - that's the most popular one I think

MPelletier

@YiJiang beat me to it

Yi Jiang

@MPelletier tab to autocomplete

MPelletier

@YiJiang Thanks. Now plz get out of my brain

Yi Jiang

Also, @YiJiang please - @Yi doesn't work

@MPelletier Seen that too many times :P

waffles

4:48 AM

Well I just asked @JeffAtwood ... I like the suggestion

it would help us find stuff to deleted ... then we can have a "mega batch delete" screen for mods

MPelletier

@YiJiang I know that 2 letter @ mentions don't flag (I think I learned that from you months ago actually). But I didn't know about the tab auto-complete. I just hit enter thinking I was in Visual Studio...

@waffles Your query with "thank" and sorted by shortest first was indeed very telling. glad to see more and more tools are available to you guys to keep the place clean

waffles

yeah it works well ... re the "flag as not an answer" Jeff does not want to drown people with options on the flag menu

Rebecca Chernoff

4 options is drowning? q:

2

waffles

@RebeccaChernoff take it up with @JeffAtwood ... he is the BOSS :)

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