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Tim Stone

12:06 AM

Thanks ;) I almost didn't have anything to play there though

drachenstern

durn! ;)

I pretty much have no good plays, need a moment

yeah that was weak on me

oh that was sneaky

Tim Stone

;)

drachenstern

are you holding the Q again?

Tim Stone

The best part about it is that I'm totally playing NFS at the same time now. I'm not really sure why, but yeah :P

lmao

12:20 AM

@TimStone hm?

@RebeccaChernoff The "Hover over the number" comment ;)

Heh.

?

12:24 AM

@balpha re: Javascript vs JavaScript vs ECMAScript

@RebeccaChernoff ngrams.googlelabs.com/graph

drachenstern

in JavaScript on Stack Overflow Chat, 12 mins ago, by drachenstern

$('#selector').find('a') or $('#selector a') ... which is better? Do those do different things or the same thing?

Dan Grossman

:has returned from BORDERS:

mootinator

:has returned from BROCKVILLE:

radp

2

drachenstern

:never left:

mootinator

12:33 AM

@radp Must resist starring

2

Rebecca Chernoff

@radp oy

4

radp

@RebeccaChernoff you're making that graph spike

spike like it was 1720 all over again!

Rebecca Chernoff

shakes her head

Dan Grossman

List of English words of Yiddish origin

This is a list of English words of Yiddish origin, many of which have entered the English language by way of American English. Spelling of some of these Yiddish language words may be variable (for example, schlep is also seen as shlep, schnoz as shnozz, and so on). Many of these words are more common in the entertainment industry, via vaudeville, the Catskills/Borscht Belt, and Hollywood. Others are more regionally oriented, e.g. in the New York City metropolitan area. Background Yiddish is a Germanic language originally spoken by the Jews of Central and later Eastern Europe, written in t...

Tim Stone

shakes head

@mootinator I've been there!

radp

12:41 AM

mootinator

@TimStone 2.5 hour dinner run!

Dan Grossman

Ugh, time for an hour on the phone with Comcast because their website won't let me log in.

Tim Stone

@mootinator Hooray!

in JavaScript on Stack Overflow Chat, 1 min ago, by Nathan

is not much of a jquery guy

Blasphemer!

mootinator

Gang downvote!

Dan Grossman

> Archie> Thank you for contacting Comcast Live Chat Support. May I have your account # and last 4 digits of your SSN please?

mootinator

12:49 AM

Or is that too harsh?

Dan Grossman

> Dan> I don't know my account number. You don't send me paper statements and I'm here because I can't log in to your website.

> The password you entered doesn't meet the minimum criteria for a safe password. Use between 8 and 16 characters with at least 1 lower-case letter, 1 upper-case letter and 1 number or special character (no spaces, case sensitive).

mootinator

If you're having problems with the picture on Comcast it could be some of my terrible configuration software.

True story.

Dan Grossman

Password I provided: televis_2A

Tell me how that does not meet the criteria?

mootinator

Maybe a _ isn't special enough.

Dan Grossman

1 number OR special character, should work either way

radp

12:52 AM

OR, you used both!!

Dan Grossman

"at least" :p

mootinator

Bwahaa

radp

So 17 char long passwords aren't safe?

Rebecca Chernoff

No, they're db column isn't big enough. (;

radp

The answer is: no. The only 17 chars long password is 1234567890qwerty!

mootinator

12:53 AM

Yeah, the number and capital letter have to be within the first 8

radp

4 minutes...

mootinator

while(len(p)<=17)p+="a"

radp

math.stackexchange.com/election/1?tab=election

user152426

can an animated gif be used as an avatar on SE

Michael Mrozek

@radp I was intentionally avoiding looking at that. Did anything bad happen? Were there deaths?

radp

1:04 AM

> Winners are Robin Chapman, Qiaochu Yuan, and Willie Wong.

says OpenSTV.

Michael Mrozek

I would run it myself, but apparently OpenSTV started costing money two weeks ago

I'm not entirely convinced you can call it "open source" if you charge people for the source code

waiwai933

Source is at code.google.com/p/stv/source/checkout

Michael Mrozek

@waiwai933 That's...confusing. Thanks

radp

@MichaelMrozek I wasn't charged for a credit card when I ran aptitude install openstv

Dan Grossman

Here's Comcast's answer: Underscore is not an allowed special character. Only 7 characters are allowed special characters.

Michael Mrozek

1:06 AM

@radp I tried to get it from their website, which is apparently unwise

Tim Stone

@DanGrossman Hahah, but of course, they allowed you to type in that password to begin with right?

Dan Grossman

Yes. It said it was a "good" password. Until I submit it.

Michael Mrozek

Oh, my Python version isn't nearly high enough for this. Well, I'll trust that @radp isn't lying about the results

@DanGrossman Er. How did they not fix your issue?

Dan Grossman

My issue is that their website does not accept passwords that conform to their criteria.

4

It has not been resolved.

Revealing the secret, unpublished rules is not a resolution.

radp

@MichaelMrozek All I had to do is install the software, tell it to use the dump and the Meek SVT system and accept the already preconfigured settings

Quite impressive

Dan Grossman

1:10 AM

I just got a phone call from Comcast. I declined.

I guess that's what happens when you say the issue is not resolved.

radp

Now .. nite.

Michael Mrozek

@DanGrossman Nonsense, your issue was that your password wasn't being accepted and you didn't know why

You can't expect their online support technicians to rewrite their password system on the spot for you

Dan Grossman

No, I can't, but by NOT accepting that as a resolution, there's a chance it'll bubble up to someone that can fix it

By accepting it, I would allow the problem to continue for others

Tim Stone

@DanGrossman Well, not at Comcast, but :P

Michael Mrozek

That's not what that form is for...

Dan Grossman

1:12 AM

Now it's in a pile of chat transcripts for unresolved issues, that someone might review

Michael Mrozek

To make sure their customer service people aren't failing, not to look for new technical issues to take on

radp

Nite.

Tim Stone

@radp G'night

Dan Grossman

Michael, in a company that makes any sense, it'd be both

You don't collect then throw away good information

Especially a company with the lowest customer support rating in the country... they should have a whole department dedicated to reviewing the incidents that were rated poorly to figure out why

Michael Mrozek

I'm pretty sure they don't comb through the customer service feedback requests looking for technical issues people are having. If that form does exist, it's entirely separate; no part of the customer service had anything to do with you not liking their password form

This is like filling out a restaurant feedback form saying you were unhappy with your meal because you feel the restaurant is in a poor location

Tyler Chacha

1:14 AM

@drachenstern You mean did I just post a ton of links, yes

Dan Grossman

No, it's like filling out a restaurant feedback form saying I am unhappy with my meal because your front door wouldn't open until I knocked for 20 minutes.

It may not help the chef, but whoever reads that form will almost definitely pass it on to the manager/owner.

Tyler Chacha

@drachenstern Althought I'm not sure why they are all multiple tweets..

drachenstern

@TylerChacha idk either, that's why I alerted you to the fact with a graphical representation of what I saw so you could see it as well

Tyler Chacha

ehh...

meh

Dan Grossman

1:30 AM

:sheds a tear:

Del.icio.us is going away.

AltaVista and MyBlogLog too.

Yahoo!'s fading into the sunset...

mootinator

Geocities. Geocities is gone.

:'(

Dan Grossman

But you can always relive the era design with wonder-tonic.com/geocitiesizer

Rebecca Chernoff

@DanGrossman what about Yahoo Answers? (;

Dan Grossman

Not going anywhere...yet

Yahoo! Bookmarks and Y! Buzz are closing.

GeoCities StackOverflow: wonder-tonic.com/geocitiesizer/…

mootinator

I was a 16 year old in 1996. It's slightly inaccurate.

Tyler Chacha

1:35 AM

I was 17 years old in 2010

Dan Grossman

:%s/was/am/

I'm 26.

mootinator

My 6 month old is a total n00b.

Rebecca Chernoff

@DanGrossman Maybe @TylerChacha is 18 now. (;

Tyler Chacha

nope

Dan Grossman

Comcast finally added that usage meter they promised, since they'll cut you off if you use more than 250GB per month...

waffles

1:42 AM

THANK YOU!!!!!! stackoverflow.com/review/…

Yi Jiang

@waffles YOUR WELLLCOMEE!!!!!!

mootinator

lol

Rebecca Chernoff

hehehe

waffles

I think its time for some spring cleaning

Rebecca Chernoff

@waffles, you're welcome to come do the spring cleaning at my house.

Michael Mrozek

1:47 AM

@waffles I mod flagged a ridiculous number of posts today; /review has ruined my life

4

Is there even a reason for non-mods to go through this filtered list? I think it's 100% answers that should be deleted, which we can't do anyway

waffles

@Michael ... we need better mechanics of dealing with this ... see: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/72307/…

maybe the flagging system needs to be extended or something

eg: flag to delete ... or something like that

mootinator

I know it's moatly copy/pasted but YEESH, verbose.

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A: Mod Rewrite Question.

Basically anything that looks for sitemap.xml will be passed to sitemap.php but without it showing to the user, that is, the url doesn't change for the user. Here is some of the documentation: Taken from the Apache mod_rewrite Flags: RewriteRule pattern target [Flag1,Flag2,Flag3] L|last The [...

Michael Mrozek

I never really thought about the whole "users don't know why their post was deleted" thing

mootinator

I can operate a clipboard, honest.

Michael Mrozek

I still think mods should have the ability to push notifications to users, but you don't want to use those every time somebody's answer gets deleted

Tim Stone

1:56 AM

@mootinator Damn, I should have answered that :P

Jesse Hartwick

Hooray for the /review page. Now I can spend hours flagging things!

@mootinator I almost always write verbose answers. I prefer to be thorough, and the askers seem to appreciate it.

That said, that question is almost a duplicate of another question I answered this morning. That one was asking how to rewrite sitemap.php to sitemap.xml whereas this one is asking for an explanation on how that rewrite actually works.

mootinator

Heh.

Dan Grossman

Why would someone want to rewrite sitemap.php to sitemap.xml?

Jesse Hartwick

@DanGrossman No idea. At least this one is asking to rewrite xml to php, which makes sense.

Here is the question I'm referring to.

Dan Grossman

That makes no sense.

But at least 90% of mod_rewrite questions I saw on the SitePoint forums had the direction backwards

Jesse Hartwick

2:06 AM

which? php->xml, or xml->php

Dan Grossman

so he probably actually wants the URI sitemap.xml to serve sitemap.php

Jesse Hartwick

Yeah. That makes sense

I feel like an idiot now for having not noticed that this morning.

As an aside, that answer is the only time I've really felt like I was rep-whoring.

this is why.

Dan Grossman

9,606 e-mails sent so far today... 15k or so to go

Whoa. A hit from Google Directory (the DMOZ clone). Who knew anyone ever used that?

Moshe

Hi

Dan Grossman

'sup Moshe

Moshe

2:16 AM

I'm ok

Working on an Adobe Flex application

in Flash Builder 4.

You?

Dan Grossman

Cool. I have a Flex book SitePoint sent me for free that I've never read. I'm cold.

Moshe

SitePoint?

What's that?

and what format is the Flex book?

Yi Jiang

@Moshe sitepoint.com

Moshe

I'm getting started with Flex - my first app.

Dan Grossman

The 798th highest traffic site on the web; web development and design community; 3 million member forum; book publisher

Moshe

2:18 AM

How do you get a free book?

Dan Grossman

They have giveaways and contests on the site all the time. And I get a copy of every book they publish for being a moderator on their forum.

Yi Jiang

@DanGrossman I'm also cold. Hi five!

Dan Grossman

it was some oreilly book, I don't remember the title

Moshe

Cool. I could really use a Flex book now.

I got an iOS game development book for free for writing to author and asking for it.

If flex works as advertised, I'll have a cross-platform app that works. IF

Dan Grossman

Adobe's a regular sponsor on SitePoint so they end up giving away Adobe-related stuff every once in a while

Moshe

2:20 AM

Ok, I'll look into it. I was in Borders today, almost bought an Adobe Press book on Flex.

I decided against it though. The price was not human-friendly.

Computer books are expensive.

Dan Grossman

I was in Borders today too, using that 50% off coupon that expires today :)

bordersmedia.com/coup/50sa20101214.html?cmpid=SA_20101214

Moshe

Ugh! I missed that.

Dan Grossman

One of my websites made it into a book so I bought a copy

Tim Stone

You should have mentioned that before Borders closed for the day ;)

Moshe

@DanGrossman Which website, which book?

@TimStone - are there no 24 hours Borders?

Dan Grossman

2:22 AM

w3roi.com

amazon.com/Web-Designers-Idea-Book-Vol/dp/160061972X

the BORDERS here close at 10PM except sundays

Yi Jiang

@DanGrossman Looks like a coffee table book

Tim Stone

@Moshe I wouldn't imagine so, but mine closes at either 9 or 10PM regardless.

Dan Grossman

Yeah, something like that

Moshe

@DanGrossman - (Excuse me for saying this but...) OMG!

I was holding that book today.

Dan Grossman

i get 1/4 of a page for a screenshot, and another page has a blurb about the site... "link-tracker on steroids" etc

Moshe

2:23 AM

What is the site?

Dan Grossman

w3roi.com

my second book appearance I'm aware of =p

Another site of mine appears a couple times in one of SitePoint's books

Jesse Hartwick

@DanGrossman What about the online store?

Moshe

Cool

Dan Grossman

@JesseHartwick the coupon is not valid on the website

Jesse Hartwick

@DanGrossman Shitty

Dan Grossman

2:26 AM

The only time I buy a book in store is when they have those coupons, which is pretty regularly actually

with the 40% or 50% discount they're cheaper than Amazon... without they're not

Jesse Hartwick

I hate that.

In Canada, we have a bookstore called Chapters.

Online their prices are comparable (but still slightly higher) than Amazon.

But in-store, you pay sticker. It's ridiculous.

Dan Grossman

costs a lot more to run a huge store that only serves a small region than a warehouse that serves half a country

mootinator

Ugh

I hate giving non authoritative answers.

Jesse Hartwick

I guess, but there are no books I'd be willing to pay 20% more for to have it that day

And so, I end up shopping at Amazon, since it's cheaper overall, and I've found that Amazon ships faster.

I bought books online at Chapters exactly once.

mootinator

I too shop at amazon.

Jesse Hartwick

2:29 AM

I signed up with me+chapters@gmail.com

Dan Grossman

All these periods... you all sound so angry

Jesse Hartwick

which worked fine, until I tried to log in again after completing my order

they're perfectly happy to accept +chapters when you sign up, but it breaks their login.

I contacted their support, and they said my only recourse was to create a new account.

mootinator

@JesseHartwick Lame.

Jesse Hartwick

At least Amazon tends to have their shit together technically.

Dan Grossman

There is only one company I spend more money with than Amazon.

My Amazon bill is almost $10,000 a year

Jesse Hartwick

2:32 AM

@DanGrossman fleshlight?

Dan Grossman

Secret. But not fleshlight. :p

Jesse Hartwick

I suppose RealDolls would've made more sense.... day late, dollar short

Dan Grossman

Yeh, two of those would put me over Amazon ;)

mootinator

They have those on Amazon?

40% off?

checks

;P

Dan Grossman

;p

mootinator

2:36 AM

lol

Jesse Hartwick

O.O

mootinator

isofoam pffft

Jesse Hartwick

This conversation has taken a terrible turn.

drachenstern

But it's like a trainwreck nonetheless ain't it?

Jesse Hartwick

CyberSkin? So.. a girl wrapped in an internet?

mootinator

2:38 AM

Cyberskin

CyberSkin is the brand-name of a soft elastomer material that is intended to emulate the feel of human skin. It is made by the adult toy manufacturer Topco Sales. The company states that the technology behind CyberSkin is a "new Aerospace 601 computerized injection molding machine, originally designed by NASA engineers..." Similar materials are available under other brand names, such as Ultraskin, Eroskin, Softskin, SoftTouch, Cyber Jel-lee, New supersoft, Futurotic and UR3 (Ultra realistic 3.0). All are soft and stretchy, with a velvety texture that is caused by talcs and cornstarches u...

Boooo, uninteresting photo.

Yi Jiang

Jesse Hartwick

AAAAAANYWAY.....

Someone needs to up/downvote me on MSO

Dan Grossman

I don't think there's a photo of cyberskin we can actually share here...

Jesse Hartwick

I have 666 rep. That ain't right.

mootinator

Speaking of cornstarch derivatives.

►

Yi Jiang

2:40 AM

@JesseHartwick Downvote squad, go!

Jesse Hartwick

Non-Newtonian Fluids FTW!

mootinator

That video never ceases to amuse me.

Jesse Hartwick

Ah, Wikipedia: A non-Newtonian fluid is a fluid whose flow properties differ in any way from those of Newtonian fluids.

You don't say!

Yi Jiang

@JesseHartwick I know, right? Really should watch that Mythbusters episode

mootinator

Recursion: See: Recursion

Yi Jiang

2:44 AM

@mootinator Recursion jokes: see recursion jokes

Dan Grossman

Jesse Hartwick

@mootinator Google FTW

I clicked that Google link for an hour one day

Then it redirected me to SO ;)

crickets

mootinator

Lol! An easter egg in the comments of the Recursion article on Wikipedia.

Jesse Hartwick

Alright. Bed time. See you folks tomorrow.

mootinator

Night

drachenstern

2:53 AM

Night

Hello

Hello

Hi

'ello!

eats drunken noodles

mootinator

3:02 AM

Jimmy Wales could have used that money you spent on booze.

Can't you see the desperation in his pleading eyes?

Tim Stone

@mootinator Not through the beer goggles.

mootinator

He's looking rather gaunt.

drachenstern

@Tim I think you're beating me

How many simul-games are you playing?

Tim Stone

In the game? I'm not sure what to play at the moment. I keep hoping something will come to me, but not yet, heh.

mootinator

I just upvoted an answer which specifically ignored my question.

TL;DR, here's some points.

drachenstern

3:06 AM

Are you bored moot?

mootinator

Tired...

Simulgames.. I assume you're talking scrabble?

I had a lordofultima problem awhile back, and a pokerstars problem before that.

Tim Stone

@drachenstern Three right now, including yours

Though I should harass Jin for another game sometime when he's not busy working, since he beat me :P

mootinator

@TimStone If you're stuck, buy my friend's iPhone app, lol.

►

has no shame today.

Tim Stone

Hahahah, nice.

Tyler Chacha

Going out at 5 to take photos tomorrow..

I'm on a hill near the ocean ... maybe that will look cool

mootinator

3:22 AM

Ocean pics are as overdone as recursion jokes.

Bahaha.

Dan Grossman

amazon.com/gp/product/…

Tim Stone

@DanGrossman I can tell from the onebox that it's not nearly invasive enough.

Dan Grossman

Tim Stone

Ahahah, perhaps I spoke too soon.

mootinator

@DanGrossman Excellent, obligatory humorous reviews to distract me.

Dan Grossman

3:25 AM

I was just reading them ;)

Tim Stone

> But it turned out to be okay, because when the passenger got on the Playmobil B757 and tried to hijack it, she was mobbed by a couple of other heroic passengers, who only sustained minor injuries in the scuffle, which were treated at the Playmobil Hospital.

Zypher

oh god ... what did i just walk into?

mootinator

> . . . (which incidentally led to quite an embarasing and interesting discussion with my twin daughters about personal hygiene and a slight adjustment to the rules we had them memorize about touching by strangers).

Tim Stone

> This is just a sop to the authoritarians among us. I am holding out for the release of the Guantanemo Playset. Hopefully this will come with an extrordinary rendition option.

Zypher

there is something wrong with you people ... and why do i feel like i belong?

3

Dan Grossman

3:32 AM

You're one of the sane ones.

Tim Stone

@Zypher We're good like that.

Dan Grossman

Rally to Restore Sanity and/or Fear

The Rally to Restore Sanity and/or Fear took place on October 30, 2010 on the National Mall in Washington, D.C., led by Jon Stewart and an in-character Stephen Colbert. The rally drew about 215,000 people, according to aerial photography analysis by AirPhotosLive.com for CBS News. The rally was a combination of what initially were announced as separate events: Stewart's Rally to Restore Sanity and Colbert's satirical counterpart, the March to Keep Fear Alive. Its stated purpose was to provide a venue for attendees to be heard above what Stewart describes as the more vocal and extreme 15–2...

Tim Stone

> While I'm sure your child will love this do we really want to reveal our security secrets to the terrorists? I bet al-Qaeda is training the next generation with this very product. I am saddened to learn that Playmobile hates America.

Zypher

@dan s/sane/drunk/g

Sanity -1 ... Fear +1 FTW

i know im going home late when the conductor is confused by my weekly pass

Dan Grossman

"Is Kinect getting kinky? The new game that lets users have virtual sex, coming up on the news tonight."

mootinator

3:40 AM

I need to get 7 rep on SO somehow.

Just 7?

hmmm

Exactly 7.

Get an up vote, one of us will down vote, then you can down vote something else. :P

Aha.

3:41 AM

(NSFWish)

/facepalm

ish?

@TimStone It's so hard to get just one upvote when pure genius oozes from your fingertips.

Tim Stone

I never said it wouldn't be a challenge

mootinator

Have to find someone with a low accept rate, and hope I don't get more than one sympathy vote.

Tim Stone

3:52 AM

Hahahah, so that's why you need exactly seven :P

mootinator

Then I need to make a permanent copy of my flair.

Dan Grossman

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A: Advantages of cakePHP CLI?

1. What are the advantages of using cakePHP's CLI? Using the CLI to bake models/controllers/views can get a project up and running quickly. The CLI also comes in handy for managing accounts/permissions until you absolutely need a UI for those things. The disadvantage relates to your second po...

Flagged, off topic, baking belongs on the cooking SE site

mootinator

@DanGrossman lol

I really did lol, which prompted my sister-in-law to ask me "Are you still reading reviews on amazon.com?"

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