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Since all of our customers are bigger than we are, whenever we have to do meetings with them they all have their own choice in conferencing software anyway. :P

The Unhandled Exception

ah ha :-) We're bigger than some of our customers but as a hosting vendor we standardize everything, so even with customers who are bigger than us we follow set policies as if we were a much larger company (which I hope we will be some day :-) )

George Marian

Any one here use (or have used) Desktop Drapes? Does it seem a touch wonky? Are there any good alternatives? I'm almost considering writing my own script cycle wallpapers. At least, I know it'll work the way I want it to work. :)

The Unhandled Exception

What is it @george?

George Marian

@TheUnhandledException A wallpaper cycler.

The Unhandled Exception

Must be a windows thing. I cycle desktop background uisng OS X's built in tools

has a sweet crossfade and everything XD

George Marian

4:31 PM

I'm on Ubuntu. :)

@TheUnhandledException Of course, it does. :)

The Unhandled Exception

And Ubuntu doesn't have a built in wallpaper cycler?

odd

askubuntu.com ?

/me dodges rotten fruit being thrown his way

Yi Jiang

@TheUnhandledException It does, right? I'm pretty sure it at least have on built in

George Marian

Drapes just seems wonky. It never seems to pick-up new wallpapers on its own. It fails to start w/ the system. And, it seems less than random, though that's likely just my perception.

The Unhandled Exception

Maybe it should be using rand()*rand() instead of just rand()

;-)

George Marian

@TheUnhandledException Heh, yes. That'll likely be one of the next steps. I just figured there was a good chance that one of you use linux and all that. :)

@TheUnhandledException LOL

Yi Jiang

4:34 PM

7

Q: How do I create a desktop wallpaper slideshow?

In my Appearance preferences, there's a desktop wallpaper slideshow with images of space. How do I create my own set of images?

Popular Demand

@TheUnhandledException Argh, I can't ban you from chat even for that. What use is 10k?

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George Marian

@YiJiang Ah, there we go. It's been asked already. Thanks.

Yi Jiang

@PopularDemand Propose as 20k ability, of course :P

Michael Mrozek

Feature request: vote-kicking

On second thought, I would probably get kicked a lot

George Marian

lol

Popular Demand

4:36 PM

@YiJiang Heh. I don't think I can do better than my current contribution to that post.

George Marian

So, should I take it as a sign that Drapes wasn't mentioned? hehe

Yi Jiang

@GeorgeMarian Hee... ubuntu.se is for lower, simpler stuff, so a lot of emphasis is put of ease of use (for the solutions, that is)

George Marian

@YiJiang Drapes is pretty straight-forward and easy to use. (It just isn't up to my standards of...um...reliability, for lack of a better word.)

Yi Jiang

@GeorgeMarian Never tried it before, I was using that gnome app mentioned in the answer I think

George Marian

Ironically, I've been using it for years. (Not continuously, but every time I've installed Ubuntu I also installed Drapes.)

Yi Jiang

4:44 PM

@GeorgeMarian From the looks of it Drapes haven't been updated for quite a while now

George Marian

@YiJiang If it ain't broke, don't fix it? ;)

Though, it doesn't exactly seem to be not-broken. heh

Yi Jiang

@GeorgeMarian The Wheel of Progress never stops, my dear sir. Gnome is constantly changing, so why shouldn't the apps that depend on it?

George Marian

@YiJiang Of course, assuming there was a material change which impacts the application. Ironically, the fact that it doesn't start-up with the system may be one issue. However, it does appear in "Startup Applications" app. heh

Tim Stone

Uh oh, there's a little back-and-forth going on about coding conventions, hahah.

George Marian

@TimStone Some excitement in the teleconference, eh?

So, CREBS looks interesting. Definitely something I'll explore, as i should create a slideshow fit for other people's eyes. heh

But, I was hoping to find something that would monitor a directory (or multiple ones), so I can just add files to it and not have to manually intervene.

Tim Stone

4:56 PM

@GeorgeMarian Yeah. Two people were debating coding conventions, but at the end of the day I decide anyway. ;)

George Marian

heh it's good to be the king! ;)

The Unhandled Exception

sorry, boss was talking to me

@GeorgeMarian LOL, my laptop runs Fedora, my desktop is an Apple iMac

George Marian

@TheUnhandledException No love for Ubuntu?

The Unhandled Exception

@PopularDemand Ban me? Why would you ever do such a thing???

@GeorgeMarian I would prefer to run Ubuntu but it didn't play nice with VMware

George Marian

I just installed Fedora 14 in a VM to check it out. In some ways it brings back good memories, in other ways it reminds me why Ubuntu exists. :)

The Unhandled Exception

5:01 PM

I used to use an Ubuntu VM for daily tasks, but I recently dropped that

@GeorgeMarian Some weekend I want to install Ubuntu on this machine and give it a try again since I'm not using VMware as much

George Marian

@TheUnhandledException Ah, it seems ok in VirtualBox, though it did lead to a constant I/O load that I couldn't seem to track down. Granted, that could just be a VirtualBox issue.

The Unhandled Exception

Woah, I just realized my XMPP client autocompletes member names when I hit tab!

@YiJiang now I won't mistype your name anymore ;-)

@PopularDemand maybe you prefer this one? function exponentialEntropy() { return rand() * rand(); }

Yi Jiang

> "I am particularly glad to no longer be asked when the Beatles are coming to iTunes," said Ringo Starr.

The Unhandled Exception

@GeorgeMarian Other way around, Ubuntu as the host on this VM kept giving errors inside VMware. But this was over a year ago, probably better now. At any rate my company now has a dedicated VMware testing server so my poor old laptop can have it's load lessened :-)

George Marian

@TheUnhandledException I finally broke down and went the dual-boot route when i realized that I had space from an old Ubuntu install. Unfortunately, since I'm a gamer, I can't exactly ditch Windows completely.

I still haven't found a download manager I like, though. =(

Aiden Bell

5:05 PM

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Q: Sequential UID generation for MySQL Char() or other Field

Hi All, Tried Googling but: Question: Best way to externally generate Sequential UID values for a MySQL field which must be representable as a string. Reason: Generic UUID-ish values for in-order inserts for performance of writes and date prefixing for read speed when searching an index of the...

mysql indexing uuid

Come on people! Don't leave me hanging

George Marian

@YiJiang LOL

The Unhandled Exception

Woah. Just updated to Adium 1.4.1, and the XMPP chat room is vastly improved!

drachenstern

did they push new code to SO rep calc? when did I You've associated your Stack Overflow and Area 51 accounts: +100 reputation ???

Yi Jiang

@AidenBell Stop advertising that question so much, it's a purrfect Tumbleweed candidate!

The Unhandled Exception

Now I need to make Gravitars appear via XMPP. That should be a fun challenge!

drachenstern

5:08 PM

@AidenBell I don't know the internals of InnoDB enough to comment

Yi Jiang

@TheUnhandledException Now now, don't get too ambitious

The Unhandled Exception

I can do it! I'm sure I can

George Marian

@AidenBell Great question, but I don't expect that will garner answers very quickly.

The Unhandled Exception

If I can find the time...

George Marian

@TheUnhandledException Are you writing your own XMPP client for chat?

The Unhandled Exception

5:09 PM

Yup:

George Marian

Ah, a sucker for pain, eh? ;)

The Unhandled Exception

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A: Offer an XMPP method for chat

UPDATE 2010-11-14: My XMPP Bridge now has write support, albeit very crudely built. In addition, I just got the user list partially working, rich text messages now work almost flawlessly and the code is fairly stable. It was running for almosta whole week, 24 hours a day last week. (I forgot what...

@GeorgeMarian Actually it's been a fun project

It works pretty well, been using it all day

you can joing the Jabber/XMPP room: the_tavern@msochat.smart-safe-secure.com using an Jabber account, GMail, etc

Damn, more typos I can't edit via XMPP. I must implement an edit command somehow!

radp

@GeorgeMarian What's wrong with wget? :)

George Marian

@TheUnhandledException Very nice. I've been looking for a non-web-browser solution for chat!

radp

Well, there's aria2c too if you need concurrent downloads.

George Marian

5:13 PM

@radp wget is fine for a one-off download, but it rather sucks as a download manager. :)

radp

It can even mix HTTP downloads and BitTorrent downloads, then seed the results :)

George Marian

I'm looking for something like ReGet Deluxe, but for linux and w/o some of the issues ReGet has.

The Unhandled Exception

Well now you have one. It just works for MSO chat for now, but it's close to stable enough that I could run it for SO, SU and SF chats

If you have suggestions @George post them in the XMPP room

chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/rooms/241/xmpp

George Marian

@TheUnhandledException Will do. Once I have the head to check it out. Right now, it's still to early to be doing anything involved. ;)

The Unhandled Exception

I hear you there :-)

George Marian

5:17 PM

Maybe after I actually eat some breakfast or something. I got in the habit of napping around this time, after waking up at the crack of dawn to drop of the gf at work. But, seeing as I've been going to bed at 9 pm lately, I think it's the lack of food that's responsible for my slowdown. heh

Hmm...I should probably just eat a bowl of cereal, but bacon, eggs and a tomato sounds much more appetizing.

Prasoon Saurav

5:31 PM

1

Q: Conversion from CW to non-CW state?

The question is short and simple. Why can't Community Wiki posts be rolled back to non-Wiki state? P.S : Recently my post here was made CW so I was wondering if something like that(conversion from wiki to non-wiki state) could be implemented. Its merely a feature request.

discussion feature-request community-wiki

radp

@PrasoonSaurav Because that'd make unicorns cry.

:-)

@radp lol

yawns

5:48 PM

Anyone know what happened to Roger Pate?

Popular Demand

@MichaelMyers What makes you think something happened?

Prasoon Saurav

@MichaelMyers He has left SO.

Popular Demand

Gah, so he has.

Michael Myers

Did he say anything first?

Prasoon Saurav

in C++ ->* Lounge on Stack Overflow Chat, 18 hours ago, by Johannes Schaub - litb

roger is really not here anymore?

Michael Myers

5:51 PM

Has this already been discussed in the mod room that I can't reach right now? (Ping @GeorgeMarian as the most recently active mod.)

Prasoon Saurav

in C++ ->* Lounge on Stack Overflow Chat, yesterday, by James McNellis

@RogerPate is pulling a Neil Butterworth?

George Marian

@MichaelMyers Not that I know of, let me check.

rchern

No.

We're discussing more important things there. Like fairy wings.

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George Marian

@rchern LOL

Super important stuff!

rchern

I know!

Yi Jiang

5:54 PM

Meta people are werid

radp

@GeorgeMarian duh.

Yi Jiang

> Welcome to my domain, tzenes, where my reputation is the one that towers over yours! Ohohohoho! ♪ - Grace Note

meta.stackoverflow.com/posts/70335/revisions

radp

Meta. Serius buziness.

Michael Myers

What, was there another influx of new mods in the room?

Yi Jiang

@MichaelMyers balfast has been here for a while now, hasn't he?

(Yeah, that's the new name I'm coming up with)

George Marian

5:56 PM

People with more rep on MSO than any other SE site are weird...

rchern

@MichaelMyers No, the fairy wings had nothing to do with new mods...

Yi Jiang

Grace Note, 6

14.5k 2 8 38

discussion feature-request support bug tags status-completed bounty

14.5k > any other site

Mmmhmm... the badges are misaligned. Is anyone else seeing this?

Michael Myers

Oh. Well, we'll get the physicists there pretty soon to settle any remaining fairy-wing questions, I suppose.

Yi Jiang

Somebody changed their vertical-align again, eh?

Tim Stone

Wait, what? Roger Pate left? Damn. :(

@YiJiang Are we talking about those damn dots?

Yi Jiang

6:00 PM

@TimStone The badges on the tags and the profile onebox

No? Hmmm... weird

Tim Stone

So...yes.

tzenes

GRAAACE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTE

Yi Jiang

@tzenes You forgot the ♪

Tim Stone

...'Ello @tzenes :P

tzenes

KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHN♪

Popular Demand

6:03 PM

Heard that some people were talking about Minecraft in here, did you, tzenes?

Tim Stone

I'm still playing while on my conference call. I've been very productive (in Minecraft..)

Yi Jiang

@PopularDemand I thought @tzenes here works the StarCraft shift?

Popular Demand

@YiJiang Turn down the granularity. He's a Gaming guy.

George Marian

@YiJiang You mean the fact that they're not centered vertically?

Yi Jiang

@GeorgeMarian Yeah, but floating somewhat eerily off the top

@rchern Does your conference give participants an extra pair of socks?

Tim Stone

6:09 PM

@YiJiang I think I shook my fist about this already and then nothing happened..

Yi Jiang

@TimStone You need to spin the wheel instead

Tim Stone

...wtf, hahah.

Ah, right. One sec.

Yi Jiang

brooklynbeta.org/speakers

Michael Myers

rchern is at a conference of some sort?

George Marian

@YiJiang Nope, they're not floating for me, just not centered vertically (Firefox 4.0b8pre).

Tim Stone

6:10 PM

@YiJiang It's Jeff's fault.

rchern

@YiJiang No, it does not. ):

Tim Stone

@rchern For those prices, it should!

Popular Demand

@rchern Unhappy emoticon? Really? Do you want to be attending a conference where they expect you to need an emergency pair of socks?

George Marian

@PopularDemand Or one where all they could give out is a lousy pair of socks? ;)

I guess, sock conventions being the obvious exception.

Yi Jiang

I suppose @TheUnhandledException would appreciate yet another pair of socks :P

Popular Demand

6:13 PM

There's a sockpuppet joke in here somewhere, but I can't find it. And I'm not sure I want to.

Oh, @YiJiang found it.

Yi Jiang

I mean, I could do with one too

rchern

@PopularDemand It didn't say anything about needing them, just that they'd be given!

Yi Jiang

It's totally random, popping up after the list of speakers

Tim Stone

Conferences are always unreasonably cold, extra socks would be nice.

The Unhandled Exception

Sorry, I headed off to lunch

Please, no. One pair of backtalking socks is enough!

Popular Demand

6:22 PM

@TheUnhandledException We were worried sick, young man!

The Unhandled Exception

@PopularDemand XMPP crashed and I had no idea anyone was looking for me!

:-)

51 mins ago, by Prasoon Saurav

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Q: Conversion from CW to non-CW state?

The question is short and simple. Why can't Community Wiki posts be rolled back to non-Wiki state? P.S : Recently my post here was made CW so I was wondering if something like that(conversion from wiki to non-wiki state) could be implemented. Its merely a feature request.

discussion feature-request community-wiki

That broke it

Since it crashed I'm going to make some small changes. Anyone want to see any new rooms added? Regulator HQ maybe?

WebApps @rchern?

Oh nvm, that room's froven

radp

@TheUnhandledException Sandbox ;)

The Unhandled Exception

@radp Aye aye!

radp

People trying to break chat might as well try to break XMPP while they are at it!

Yi Jiang

@TheUnhandledException We can then attempt to break it in new and creative ways without having to mess up the transcript!

The Unhandled Exception

6:27 PM

@radp On second thought... ;-)

Why is the chat feedback room ID 77? Shouldn't it be ID 1? What is room ID 1 anyway?

I'm adding: sandbox, chat_feedback, regulator_headquarters, and tunes, all @msochat.smart-safe-secure.com

Any more requests?

Yi Jiang

@TheUnhandledException Can we go break it now?

Michael Mrozek

Why? I imagine it's explained in the backlog somewhere, but I'm lazy

Popular Demand

@TheUnhandledException It's private.

The Unhandled Exception

@MichaelMrozek Is that a question for me?

Michael Mrozek

Yes

Yi Jiang

6:32 PM

@TheUnhandledException I get access denied for room 1. I'm guessing it's the Teacher's Lounge

The Unhandled Exception

@MichaelMrozek Why what, I'm sorry, I'm confused :-)

@YiJiang Ah ha, probably so

Michael Mrozek

@YiJiang It's not, but it might be some other private room, or it's been deleted

The Unhandled Exception

I wonder what happens if I add it to XMPP, mwahahaha

Yi Jiang

@MichaelMrozek Deleted rooms should return 404, no?

Popular Demand

Rooms 2-13 are Page Not Found. Room 14 is "old feedback beta."

Michael Mrozek

6:33 PM

@YiJiang Oh, yes; I didn't actually try going to it

@TheUnhandledException Why are you making msochat.smart-safe-secure.com

The Unhandled Exception

@MichaelMrozek That's just the domain I run the XMPP component on

Yi Jiang

I wonder what would happen if we all go and knock on the doors of sinister Room No. 1

The Unhandled Exception

smart-safe-secure.com is my jabber server

Michael Mrozek

Ah

Yi Jiang

imagines Atwood peeking out of a peephole, going "Who goes there?"

George Marian

6:35 PM

Huzzah! I found a replacement for Desktop Drapes. (I guess I didn't look hard enough earlier.)

The Unhandled Exception

The XMPP components create subdomains, so I chose msochat. If I start a server for SO and SF, those will be sochat. and msochat.

Yi Jiang

Ah ha! I found the name of Room No. 1

The Unhandled Exception

XMPP Bridge back up and running. Feel free to try and break it

Yi Jiang

"modchat-during-three-day-beta"

If you click on the button it'll actually redirect you to a link with the room name slug

balpha

@YiJiang yeah, and you're not getting in there :)

but the name thing is definitely a bug

Popular Demand

6:36 PM

in old feedback beta, Jul 17 at 0:44, by rchern

:o

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The Unhandled Exception

You can join it at XMPP MUC: the_one@msochat.smart-safe-secure.com ...

but posting messages results in:

DEBUG: posted a message, response was: #<Net::HTTPNotFound:0x7f4713c99ee0>, data was: The room has been frozen; new messages cannot be added

Ah @balpha's returned. I have a question for you over in the XMPP room...

Popular Demand

Is it just me, or is that a non-backwards smiley?

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George Marian

@PopularDemand o:

Yi Jiang

@PopularDemand http://hasrchernwrittenasmileytherightwayround.com -> YES!!!!!

rchern

@YiJiang not the first image of Jeff people are imagining today...right @GeorgeMarian?

George Marian

6:41 PM

@rchern LOL!!!

rchern

@PopularDemand lies.

George Marian

I'm expecting a phone call from Jeff in my future... ;)

rchern

hehehe

Yi Jiang

@rchern @GeorgeMarian What are the two of you talking about?

George Marian

Sekret mod stuff. ;)

rchern

6:44 PM

@YiJiang Let's just say there are some things we'd like to see from the team while they're all together. Too good an opportunity to waste sort of thing.

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Tim Stone

@rchern This comment kind of disturbs me. :P

Yi Jiang

@TimStone Definitely does, yes. @rchern What are you hiding?

The Unhandled Exception

This is The Tavern and it's a public place! All discussion must be public. Get a room you two and take your "secret mod stuff" there! ;-)

George Marian

lol

Yi Jiang

@GeorgeMarian And stop loling

George Marian

6:46 PM

@YiJiang I can't help it...I'm just a jovial guy....except when I'm angry, heaven help you then.

rchern

@TheUnhandledException Hrmph. I simply said that while the team was all together in NY, they should do a web-cast and put on a play for us. Images that were conjured up as a result of my comment are not my responsibility. >_<

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The Unhandled Exception

HAHAHAHA

The broadway version of "The Unsocial Network" @rchern? ;-)

Michael Mrozek

@rchern Between you and @GeorgeMarian I'm going to be forever haunted by nightmares of the SO team

Yi Jiang

@rchern The Answering of the Questions Network, of course!

Popular Demand

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Q: Is multiple tag formatting a feature or a side-effect?

tag formatting is fun. combinations of tags is awesome! But to have multiple+combinations of awesome+tags is beyondcompare! But is this an intentional formatting+feature? Or simply a formatting+side-effect? Will future+updates remove this awesome+feature? Or should I create a formatting+mul...

support tags formatting multiple

rchern

6:51 PM

> For some reason, I'm imagining an SO team rendition of a A Midsummer Night's Dream. --(name redacted)

Popular Demand

Doesn't work in chat, does it?

[tag:always-friday-in-iceland]

Yi Jiang

status-always-friday

Tim Stone

@rchern Hahahah, wow. :P

George Marian

@MichaelMrozek That's nothing. When Robert said he was in NYC, I remembered that there's a play I wanted to see, but I'm on the left coast and poor, ATM. For some reason, that reminded me of a Malcolm in the Middle episode where Malcolm is fairy a high school rendition of A Midsummer Night's Dream...

And, for some unknown reason, I then thought of Jeff in that role....

Popular Demand

@GeorgeMarian Hey, I'd rather be the Malcolm of SO than the Reese of SO.

George Marian

6:55 PM

So, yah...if you want haunting images of the SO team, there it is...

@PopularDemand Fair enough. I didn't go into that explanation when I made the original comment. :)

Michael Myers

I'd rather see them as... Ocean's Eleven or something.

Yi Jiang

"Justice?" The Colonel was astounded. "What is justice?"
"Justice, sir –"
"That's not what justice is," the colonel jeered, and began pounding the table again with his big fat hand. "That's what Karl Marx is. I'll tell you what justice is. Justice is a knee in the gut from the floor on the chin at night sneaky with a knife brought up down on the magazine of a battleship sandbagged underhanded in the dark without a word of warning."

-- Catch 22

rchern

Frankly I don't care what they do. They should write their own script.

Michael Mrozek

@rchern We already know what you want them to do

rchern

o:

We do?

Yi Jiang

6:59 PM

@MichaelMrozek Smile backwards, obviously

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