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For example, why use '->' instead of '.' for methods? Because string concatenation with '.' was put in before both methods and magic methods. If that's where amorphous community driven feature development gets you ... count me out ;)

Mark

bah! -> is totally reasonable, it's like C struct pointers

among others

Aiden Bell

2:48 AM

I agree though, but writing good PHP is testing. Unless you write it with blurry eyes and pretend you are writing another language

"Pretend it's Python, Pretent it's Python" hehe

Mark

when i wrote mercuryboard (sigh, a decade ago) we made some really easy to understand constructs/patterns

and arguably we had really easily understandable php

Aiden Bell

Na, Im working on something that is like Magento but it had a car crash.

Mark

i've been out of the PHP game for a while

Magento?

Aiden Bell

An e-commerce package that has dense code and DB schema for what it does

Mark

fair enough

Aiden Bell

2:52 AM

Anyway, i'm hoping some elbow grease can sort it out. The architecture isn't too bad, it just has some tumor-like blocks that need sorting ... and a horrid UI

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Wow, I returned to find I missed the PHP bashing session

I'm glad I was AFK :-)

Aiden Bell

@The - I have some left ;)

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I don't know if I have the energy left today to argue :-)

Aiden Bell

What's your side? Pro-PHP?

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So, yes, I like my language :-)

I'm a professional PHP/Javascript developer

Aiden Bell

3:02 AM

Personally, I don't mind PHP, providing I don't have to code in it.

Which I spend all my time doing anyway ;)

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My real feeling is it's not so much the language but the programmer and the code

Mark

feels like we just had this discussion

Aiden Bell

I agree 100%

With The's statement

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@Mark I'm too tired to discuss much -- don't worry :-)

Mark

heh

well i'm out anyway

later guys

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3:03 AM

Later @Mark

Aiden Bell

@The - Have any opinion on YUI? Thinking of using it

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@AidenBell YUI is pretty nice. I use it's cousin, Ext

One major disadvantage is your code can become bery tied to it, and not very portable should you need to change

But, it does some really cool things which coding by hand would be pretty difficult

Aiden Bell

Same could be said for JQuery though I suppose

Might start with Grids and bleed other stuff in

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@AidenBell That's what I started with

Before you dive in to YUI, review plenty of options to make sure you like it best

Give me one sec and I'll send you 3 other similar libraries :-)

Aiden Bell

Any issue with YUI3 CSS?

cool

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3:11 AM

@AidenBell That I'm not sure

K, so here's ExtJs, YUI's cousin: sencha.com/products/js

Aiden Bell

Heard of it, not looked in depth. Will take a ganders

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That's what I use. Really powerful, very similar to YUI

Then there's Smart Client: smartclient.com/index.jsp#_Welcome

Aiden Bell

How's Ext's skinability?

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Supposedly pretty good, but, I haven't looked into it in enough depth yet. All CSS based

Our design team keeps nudging me to look into skinning ext :-)

Aiden Bell

Ah well, I am sure it is clean-CSS and not selector-spaghetti

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3:15 AM

Check out their demos, those tell a lot

There's also Google's CLosure Library: code.google.com/closure/library

closure-library.googlecode.com/svn/docs/namespace_goog_ui.html

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Q: What does Google Closure Library offer over jQuery?

Considering business background community support available extensions default set of features simplicity of use and reliability why do you prefer one over the another?

Aiden Bell

Ext looks very rich ... maybe too rich lol

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Somewhere I have a demo of the Google Closure UI, but I can't find it right now

@AidenBell Ext is pretty in depth

Aiden Bell

Closure looks interesting

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But great for building RIAs

@AidenBell looks very interesting. I haven't looked into it in depth enough yet

I have one other in my brain somewhere, but I can't find the bookmark

Aiden Bell

hmm - After catching firefox munching 1.5gb, im not sure how much richer I want to go. The browser is the new OS and all that crap

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3:19 AM

I hear ya! :-)

Aiden Bell

If I cracked out webworkers, canvas and websockets, I might as well make a bootable Chrome/Firefox ... oh wait - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_OS

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HAHA

Anyway, been a long day for me, I'm off for the night. I'll be in here again tomorrow if you have more questions @Aiden!

Aiden Bell

Cheers :)

Take it easy

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Thanks. Likewise!

Aiden Bell

3:34 AM

@TheUnhandledException - If you are still about: blogs.sitepoint.com/2009/11/12/…

Benjol

5:37 AM

For @JeffAtwood if you stop by here sometime:

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