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2:21 AM
Is this possible?
 
Tim
Hmm
 
3:19 AM
@MichaelMrozek Why not?
 
Tim
@PopularDemand 7 hours ago would have meant that he was here "yesterday" too
 
maybe today isnt counted in the consecutive
 
Oh, I see it's a post now:
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Q: Consecutive days problem #97?

Michael MrozekI'm pretty depressed that I'm finally one of the people posting this, since I'm usually telling those people "you're obviously wrong", but either I don't understand how consecutive day counting works or this seems impossible: The last activity count is right; I was on SO at about 18:30Z yester...

@Tim He didn't specify in the screenshot when the screenshot was taken, which is relevant.
 
Tim
Fair point.
 
I believe you can visit and have no activity, but I'm not sure that that's the specific problem here.
 
3:21 AM
I'm really bored...
 
(That is, you show up, but only browse questions instead of commenting/voting/answering/editing.)
@Chacha102 do my homework for me.
 
@PopularDemand Aren't you like some w/ a job?
 
@HoLyVieRUNIONDOEVILSQL three cheers for caching.
@Chacha102 Started grad school this term.
 
And no .. I don't even do my own homework..
Well
I don't get any homework
so that statement is misleading..
 
I think I haven't relog here yet, that's why my name has not yet change
 
3:23 AM
anyone have music suggestions?
 
@HoLyVieRUNIONDOEVILSQL Yeah.
 
Was my avatar in the list for the whole week ?
 
Im trying to expand the range of music I consume
 
@Chacha102 Good luck.
Interested in something in particular?
 
I'm thinking about classic ..
Like Bach and whatever that other guys name was
 
3:25 AM
@Chacha102 Beethoven? Tchaikovsky? Rachmaninoff?
 
I like both instrumental and more fast beat
Beethoven .. that was it
 
The Well-Tempered Clavier, Fuga 21.
 
I'm pretty much open to anything..
 
And most Rachmaninoff.
 
3:25 AM
Not really classic, but you might like
 
meh
the beginning makes it sound like an instrumental piece
and then the voice ruins it..
lol
 
It's still awesome
 
yeah..
 
An other one in the same kind
 
Sorry, I meant prelude, not fugue.
 
3:29 AM
@PopularDemand Oh, yes, sorry; it was taken a couple minutes before I posted it here
 
Tim
@Chacha102 Unrelated to your music quest, but what did you do to this question that shows you having the last activity in the questions list?
 
Here's some nice classic music now
I had this one in my bookmark for a while
 
@HoLyVieRUNIONDOEVILSQL I don't trust that still.
 
@Tim I posted an answer to try to make the link work correctly, but then deleted it...
 
@PopularDemand picture is misleading, but the music is nice
 
Tim
3:31 AM
@PopularDemand I was thinking the same thing...the music is nice though
@Chacha102 Ah, alright
 
I'm totally going to listen to No 5 while programming
 
You all have done the near-impossible: motivated me to play the piano. Though at 2331h local time, I doubt my neighbors would appreciate that.
 
lol
You can get the piano sheet on Internet for the last video I posted
 
Wow, the people who just moved in and play loud music nonstop actually... stopped, for once.
 
It's not that bad
 
3:33 AM
This used to be such a quiet building.
 
I just got a series of Beethoven's Symphonies. I had to go into iTunes and turn the base volume up, but otherwise it sounds great..
 
To be fair, it's not horrible now, but compared to near-silence, anything seems like a horrible change for the worse.
Kids these days and their iTunes.
 
Is William Tell a pianist?
 
You are asking about the William Tell Overture?
The "William Tell Overture" is the instrumental introduction to the opera William Tell by Gioachino Rossini. There has been repeated use (and sometimes parody) of this overture in popular media, most famously for being the theme music for the Lone Ranger radio and television shows. It is quoted by Dmitri Shostakovich in his Symphony No. 15. William Tell was composed in 1829 and was the last of Rossini's 39 operas, after which he went into semi-retirement, although he continued to compose cantatas, sacred music, and secular vocal music. Franz Liszt prepared a piano transcription of the ove...
 
Yes...
ah..
Don't you hate those judge-y parents th—OH MY *GOD* IT'S FREEZING WHY'S YOUR KID NOT WEARING SOCKS AND A HAT?!?
 
3:38 AM
Dear Next Person Who Opens a Pluralization 'Bug', I will personally come to your house and bludgeon you to death with a giant S
This one kills me ^^
 
You might also try the default Classical station on slacker.com until you hit something you like.
@HoxLyxVierx See my comment on this post:
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A: Auto revision summary has wrong plural: "added 1 characters in body"

Geoffrey ZhengRE King Atwood's threats, I doesn't believes it are going to happens any times soon. I happens to has two house right now (both of which is under the waters, so plz contacts me if you is a mortgage brokers), and I uses a doubly random random-number generators to decides which houses I stays in a...

 
lol, nice reference
 
Bee arr bee, gonna eat an orange.
@HoxLyxVierx I wonder how many pluralization bugs Jeff can tolerate per unit of time.
 
I dunno, but I agree with him that most of them aren't "bug"
You had an other plural bug to submit ?
 
3:54 AM
Apparently accessing /questions doesn't count as access. I wish I'd realized that before it cost me my 170 consecutive days
 
@MichaelMrozek well you still got your fanatic badge
 
@HoxLyxVierx I know, but now how can I demonstrate that I'm 70% more fanatical than required?
 
Unless you know some secret plan of Jeff to add a diamond badge for 365 consecutive day
@MichaelMrozek get that badge on all the SE websites
 
@HoxLyxVierx Close...
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Q: Grammar error in new user banner message

Popular DemandI originally posted this on the Programmers Meta here, but as @MichaelMrozek pointed out, the same typo is present in all sites' messages. The banner message for new/not-logged-in users reads Welcome to Q&A site for [site-specific description]... There should be an article in there: ...

 
So I just set up my Mom's new Windows Live Messenger..
And as I finish, my dad walks by and says "Use Trillian"
I responded: I don't do tech support for trillian, so if you'd like to set it up, be my guest...
 
3:58 AM
@Chacha102 Headline for this story seems to be "Chacha provides support for Windows Live Messenger, of all products"
@HoxLyxVierx I remember a discussion about such a badge happening for 1000 consecutive days (or 1024) but can't find it now.
 
I only provide it since I don't have to explain a new UI/Concept to my mom..
 
"Oh, no, this is just a different skin for Windows Live Messenger. The name of the skin is 'Trillian.'"
 
@MichaelMrozek Well... you show up to chat. And you're here on a Saturday night/Sunday morning (depending on time zone).
 
The Ride of the Valkyries is very similar to the Star Wars Opening...
 
Tim
4:07 AM
@PopularDemand It seems to only be wrong for some of the sites. Some of them (including SOFU) say "Welcome to Q&A for [type of person]", while the rest have "site" jammed in there for some reason.
 
@Chacha102 Never considered that until you just brought it up... but yeah.
 
@Tim Madness!
 
Tim
@Chacha102 Does your mom even use any other messaging services to make that remotely worthwhile? :P
 
I thought my last one was funny
It is the William Tell Overture done without instruments..
 
4:09 AM
 
@Tim This is the only time in the history of the internet a group of people has discussed someone's mom in a civilized manner
 
@Chacha102 ^^ Is probably better :p
 
@MichaelMrozek Heh, I was about to mention that as well.
Hm, what ever happened to that Local SO Meetups room?
 
Tim
@MichaelMrozek This is groundbreaking stuff right here.
 
Ah, the streak is broken. 9.5 hours without a new star.
 
4:11 AM
I'll leave the suspence and re-star that message in 30 minutes
 
@HoxLyxVierx I could have sworn that was a girl...
 
@Chacha102 Nah, I'm just tired, I don't think
And I'm actually going to forget, so I'll just do it now :p
 
@PopularDemand I could remove all the stars from the past 3 days and we could set a new MSO.Chat record..
 
@Chacha102 Eh, that's cheating.
Eh, probably for the best. I can imagine a lot of people getting in trouble for "Don't wait up, I'm going out to meet an 11-year-old girl I've been talking to online."
 
4:16 AM
 
Yeah, he lies shamelessly about her age
 
4:29 AM
Her profile picture is looking at her/his profile and she's like "WTF, that's not me !"
 
@HoxLyxVierx Heh.
 
 
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8:16 AM
hrm, why does «[0-9]*.[0.9][0-9]» on «"views_per_day": 6674.78», only match 6674.7?
(I know the dot in that regexp is different from the dot in the string, GSpreadsheet doesn't like it escaped though)
 
8:35 AM
@radp You used [0.9] instead of [0-9]
 
9:26 AM
Also, that dot in there is wrong, this one: ]*.[
It will match anything, which means this is legal: 123x08
Prefix it with a \
 
9:48 AM
@LasseVKarlsen Yes, but he specifically said he knew about that one
 
Yeah, I just saw that
 
10:41 AM
@MichaelMrozek oh, that must be it
 
10:54 AM
@JeffAtwood You know what I don't understand about this whole webapps.stackexchange.com shebang?
webapps.stackexchange.com is linked to from StackOverflow
and should be keeping its previous pagerank per virtue of the 301 redirect
this should lead in a huge increase of PageRank
I don't have the hard data, obviously, but I have to guess it's much higher than the effect whatever domain name the site happens to have may be able to bring
 
I don't think pagerank was a big part of the argument, but I haven't really read through the arguments yet
 
11:14 AM
How/why was "Nothingtoinstall.com" chosen as a name?
 
11:26 AM
@LasseVKarlsen Joel came up with it, and it scored the highest in the nomination thread
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A: What should our .com domain name be?

Joel SpolskyNothingToInstall.com I just registered it. Succinctly conveys WHY web applications are awesome and we love them. Easy to spell, easy to pronounce, no hyphens, impossible to misinterpret.

 
Ok
So it was decided on by the community? No wonder they're up in arms over a name change
 
lol, it was proposed by Joel of all people
 
 
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user151055
2:38 PM
Hi,anyone has an idea how can we find if a number is palindrome?
I know it with arrays,should I break the number into an array?
 
The latest AWAD e-mail of the week winner: Richard Stallman. Yeah, that Richard Stallman.
 
3:37 PM
gah, Google's Chart API is kinda brain damaged
 
3:49 PM
Is it me or I've managed to display a green dot here?
 
@radp I see it.
Thought it was dust, at first.
 
 
What are you even trying to graph?
 
Traffic/views over the very small dataset I have
of gaming vs serverfault
I have this but it's not very exciting
 
4:09 PM
@radp Has anyone said match serverfault's traffic to get a domain name?
 
@CRoss: I don't think they're that stupid
(now taking bets on time-til-i'm-proved-wrong)
 
4:24 PM
@CRoss yes
@Shog9 15 mins but only because I was busy warping this into something barely english readable
 
Tim
5:08 PM
@radp I think Jeff's reached his "materially worse" quota for the year..
 
4 a year? poor man.
In other news, woo!
It makes kinda sense!
 
Tim
@radp It's four more than I've heard from anyone this year so far.
 
chart.scale(*[date_minmax[0], date_minmax[1], 0, traffic_max]*len(sites))
I'm sure there's a better way than writing that
It probably implies using a better API, though
 
Hi
 
Tim
5:27 PM
@Moshe Hello
 
@Tim Hi
Anyone here have experience with the Google technologies that I'm working with: Android or App Engine ?
 
I have a two hours' experience with the App Engine, does it count?
 
@radp - It's more than me. ;-)
 
(I started tinkering with it today.)
 
I have a little-known service running on the app engine :)
 
5:29 PM
@radp - Ditto that
@balpha - what service?
 
Unicornify, duh.
 
@radp - Oh. Sorry. I'm spacing out.
@radp - You know python?
 
Yeah
(So does balpha)
 
Ok, so I'm coming in from HTML/PHP/JS/CSS/MySQL and iOS dev
No Python here
I know exactly what I want my App Engine app to do, I just don't know how to do it.
 
5:31 PM
import antigravity :)
 
In its simplest form the service behaves like this
def main():
  application = webapp.WSGIApplication(
    	[	('/',	MainHandler),
    		('/update/', 	UpdateHandler)
    	],
    	debug=True)
  util.run_wsgi_app(application)
You define some URL entry points for your application (the application assignment)
 
and what does that do?
ah ok
?
 
and then make one class per entry point
 
so each webapp.WSGIApplication() is an entry point?
 
class UpdateHandler(webapp.RequestHandler):
  def get(self):
    #do stuff
    self.response.out.write("write reply here")
 
5:33 PM
Is there a reason for me not to use Django templates?
 
@Moshe No, it's an Application object.
@Moshe No, Django should be compatible with the app engine.
 
with some hassles, django is compatible
 
@radp - What purpose does the "Application Object" serve?
 
@radp There's this post if you want a comparison of all the SE sites; it doesn't include the trilogy though
 
@balpha - I'm coming in from no Python experience. I just need the app engine to store some simple data and manage user logins.
 
5:35 PM
well, you can't use the django storage engine
 
@MichaelMrozek Nice, but I'm really focusing on a site's traffic vs serverfault's over time
because apparently that one is the decider for domain names
 
it's not compatible to google's datastore
 
@radp Oh, I see. I'm guessing gaming will be....less :)
 
but google's datastore api is quite similar to the django one
 
@MichaelMrozek One fifth roughly.
 
5:37 PM
By the way, when trying to serve CSS as a static file, I tried updating my`app.yaml` file, and apparently I had to move the default handler to the bottom of the list. Does it make sense that it should be order sensitive?
 
i.e. you create a subclass of model with some data fields on it, and each data entity you store is just an instance of that class
 
(Yes, I'm parsing JSON inside Google Spreadsheets. I feel ashamed.)
 
@Moshe yes, the default handler has to be at the bottom
because it catches everything
and the parsing stops the first time something fits
 
@balpha - That sounds like Core Data for iOS - subclassing the data model - even though I've never used that yet.
@balpha - thanks. I have to figure out a login setup now. Any thoughts?
 
@Moshe You can use Google Accounts for that
 
5:39 PM
you can let google handle that if you want
and are comfortable with that
 
In short - the app is just a survey.
@balpha- why would I not?
 
Then you probably don't want to
(isn't Google Spreadsheets' survey feature good enough for you, Moshe?)
 
I am modeling it after SE style questions "One per answer, no dupes, upvote instead".
@radp - No - the site has more to it. also, if I want to add features, spreadsheets wont work
 
Okay, Google Spreadsheet isn't good enough
 
@Moshe it's a trade-off -- on the one hand, it's easy, and probably more secure than anything you (or I) could come up with, on the other hand, you'd relinquish control and require your users to have a google account
 
5:41 PM
@radp - Besides, I can't sell adspace in a spreadsheet ;-)
@balpha - What about OpenID?
 
@Moshe, if you're doing a survey you probably want to keep the barrier to entry as low as possible
 
never used it, but I'm pretty sure there are python OpenId libraries
@radp +1
 
Forcing people to log in at all may be a losing proposition
 
I think App Engine does support OpenID now as an experimental feature.
@radp - but how do I enforce the "no dupe" bit?
 
oh, didn't know that
 
5:42 PM
btw, @Moshe, what you describe come think of it is seriously similar to Google Moderator
 
What's that?
 
sec
luckily the Gaming transcript hasn't been wiped yet
(please don't destroy it)
in a short lived attempt to see how GModerator handles polls with a lot of entries
 
I see.
Again, I can't sell ads and I can't expand the poll.
 
What do you mean "expand"?
 
Say I want to do stuff with the data later or change the website.
 
5:46 PM
Oh, okay.
Fair enough.
 
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Q: how to restrict user not to vote an article more than once?

nectarin my application a user can post his/her article that other users can response upon ans vote up and down also like stackoverflow has for posted question ans answers. How can I restrict user so that he/she can't vote twice ?

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Q: Create unique Poll/vote/survey in php

jingleboy99The unique poll/vote/survey i mean here is, user can only vote once. How do i do that? Track their ip? Login? Beside login, what else? (login is my last option, thus beside login, is there anything else I can do?)

1
Q: Preventing multiple daily votes in a contest

Dean PutneyVoting contests seem to gain a lot of attention from people who want to game a system for fun. I know I spend a good amount of time fooling around with their forms and URLs, deleting cookies and writing the occasional crappy script. Is there a way to create a foolproof voting system that only al...

 
@balpha - notice that two out of three are in tagged PHP, btw.
 
so?
it's just regarding the "no dupe bit"
 
@balpha - true
 
you'll have to see how helpful the answers are, but I don't think any of them are restricted to PHP
 
5:49 PM
@balpha Looks like OpenID is the winner here.
 
openid is always the winner when you ask geeks :)
 
I just used CSS3 border-radius in a capable browser for the first time. Wow! No extra divs or images!
@balpha - That's not for naught. ;-)
@balpha - OpenID on AppEngine - Look under "Authentication options": code.google.com/appengine/docs/python/users/overview.html
 
@Moshe Congrats!
Isn't it beautiful?
 
@PopularDemand - Yea. It was like, surreal. Whoa, it just works.
Now, are there any JS libraries that add support in IE and co. ?
 
It works natively in IE 9 :)
 
5:55 PM
Hm, haven't used new CSS in a while but I believe it's built-in.
 
@balpha @radp - How do I work with "logged in" pages and "logged out" pages?
 
Ah, FGIWed. Watching football.
 
I've never used the authentication @Moshe, sorry
 
Tim
@balpha Now if Microsoft would just use an exploit in IE 6 to unconditionally force stubborn people to upgrade to IE 9...I guess I can dream.
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@balpha I've got IE9, but it doesn't seem to work with the local App Engine SDK...
@Tim - You can dream, or you can write one. That's a good idea actually.
Anyone know how to write exploits?
 
Tim
5:58 PM
@Moshe Sabotaging my corporate clients is probably not a good idea, unfortunately. ;)
 
@Tim - lol, oh well.
@balpha - I just had another take on the vote thing. If someone is bored enough to spend time pushing a router name, so be it. It must be popular then.
 
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