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12:48 AM
@rchern Sure, why not? I don't really care that much about naming conventions for the commands anyhow.
(I still think /highlight is a better name though :P)
@TimStone Makes me want to find an image of my city, except that it's nowhere to be found :(
goes off the boot up 7 year old laptop
 
1:04 AM
/highlights is a command.
 
hello
 
@YiJiang, reasoning behind changing the showNotification logic on hover?
 
@rchern Eh... don't you remember that in my original scheme of things, /highlight was the command for adding highlights, and that when used without any arguments give you a list of highlight
 
clear is ambiguous. clear what?
 
@rchern It was misbehaving, I tried correcting it, but that didn't work out very well I think
@rchern /clear is a little ambiguous.
There's something odd about the hover event
 
1:06 AM
hmm, i haven't noticed any issues with it, repro steps?
 
@rchern Place mouse in position where the notification will appear, trigger notification, notification immediately fades out
 
@YiJiang yes it is ambiguous. i don't like ambiguous. (:
no repro.
 
@rchern Doesn't happen for /list, but always happen for /clips
I have no idea what the difference between the notification box for the two are
 
clearQueue is specifically used on hover so that it will clear the fadeOut. you hover over and there is no more fadeOut event pending.
 
@rchern I know, I'm using your code for that
I used your version when I merged
The code I added is some CSS to prevent the notification box from growing bigger than the size of the screen
 
1:11 AM
i'm just looking at what it shows is different
 
@rchern The only difference should be the added .css() behind it
 
if you don't like /addhl and want that to be /highlight, then what's the command for deleting a highlight?
 
Can you show me the difference
@rchern Hard one, clearhighlight is far to long to type.
 
@YiJiang That sucks. :( I'm in the middle of a major restructuring now, heh. Unfortunately it's not going as quickly as I had hoped due to some poorly placed landfills..
/dehighlight of course :P
 
eww ):
 
1:14 AM
@TimStone Ouch. Landfill decomposition is very slow. You should've watched where you put them
 
still favors a commit with a change to /delclip
 
@rchern More seriously though, /star both stars and unstars depending on the initial context, so can it not be the same? (I haven't tried out the highlight to see how it works, so it's possible that wouldn't make sense)
@YiJiang Yeah, I've learned my lesson now. I didn't plan far enough ahead when I placed the first one, and now that I have to expand the other ones are getting in the way too. I was able to actually make a bridge to that far island though, so now it all goes out there.
 
@TimStone /star is easy (both programmatically and conceptually) because the button is already a two-state button. Highlighting would be a bit more interesting.
@TimStone A couple of other things you might want to watch for
 
addhl is shorter than highlight (; and doing highlight is weird to get a list, highlights like it is now is better, but then highlight vs highlights meh.
 
You need a green belt for your heavy industries
Also, Federal Prison and Casino doesn't do you any favors really
 
1:17 AM
Right, of course. I guess highlight actually ends up being multistate, since you can highlight specific messages and an entire person, no?
 
And if this is your first city, then agriculture should be abandoned immediately for heavy industry
 
Add a highlight to messages
    /addhl <match>
    <match> is the numeric id of a single message, or a (partial) substring of a username
    Uses localStorage to persist highlights
Remove a highlight from messages
    /delhl <match>
    <match> is the numeric id of a single message, or a (partial) substring of a username
    <match> must be identical to the match used with /addhl
View all highlights
    /highlights
 
@YiJiang Yeah, I had them for the income, but then realized that I make far more money by doing the missions anyway. As far as the agriculture goes, interesting...That's what was in high demand when I started off, so I just went with it. What does heavy industry give me (besides being less retarded than agriculture which takes up a ton of space and pays little tax comparatively)?
 
@TimStone The tax, mainly, since in the original you can't do any mission to make money, early on for your first city the main problem for most is keeping afloat
And it is, really really hard to keep the checkbook balanced
 
Ah, gotcha.
 
1:22 AM
Also, as you've found out I think, the water pollution is terrible
 
Yeah, that's why I ended up with the water sanitation plant, which I'd rather not have to spend money on unless absolutely necessary.
 
When did we get a circles-needed tag?
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Q: Should a tag creator be able to edit the tag wiki?

Andrew GrimmShould the creator of a tag be able to edit the tag wiki? Background: Recently, Ether added the goatse tag to Is the Perl Goatse 'Secret Operator' efficient?, and I asked her whether she's going to write up the tag wiki, and she noted that she can't. Creating tags without wikis would be adding ...

Hmmm... looks like Mr. Grimm there created it himself.
 
he just wants to edit the wiki for it
 
> For the love of all that is good in this world can we not have a tag wiki for goatse.
Hehe... :P
 
Oh look, Gaming has gone read-only. Looks like it's headed off down the Oregon Trail.
 
1:26 AM
@TimStone Gasp will this chat become Read Only?
 
I'm sure that we can add something to the userscript to work around that if it does.
 
@YiJiang so edit the tag out?
 
@rchern Erm.... eh your call :P
 
chats aren't being moved to ny
@YiJiang what's it have to do with me?
 
@rchern You're the one who suggested removing it. I was just laughing at the fact that that tag even exists
 
1:30 AM
@rchern Ah, I didn't know that.
 
I just returned from the biggest nerd fest of the year..
 
You were at BlizzCon?
 
so what's happening with rmclip? i wanna make some changes to the code i've got + tim's, but no sense in doing that until i've got yours merged in @YiJiang
 
@TimStone Yes
 
@rchern Just use your naming conventions.
 
1:33 AM
@Chacha102 Ah, nice. How was it?
 
Good
There was great gaming...
 
@YiJiang, if i make modifications the same commit as your merge then it thinks the commit is from me if previous experience holds
i guess i could just turn around and do a second commit, meh.
 
Side note: I nominate the message currently listed second on the star list as post of the month.
 
And the costume contest was awesome. Considering that most of the female characters have minimal armor..
 
@TimStone Seconded
 
1:34 AM
@TimStone, mine?
 
overall it was a good time
and now I have a statue of Deathwing to boot
 
@Chacha102 Hahah. I was actually thinking about going, but being away from work for that right now wasn't a very good idea, so.
Yes, that one.
 
The tickets sold pretty close..
fast*
They didn't release stats, but I bet if you weren't in the cue in 10-15 seconds, you didn't get to come
 
@YiJiang, the gui seems very messed up in clips
 
@rchern How so?
 
1:42 AM
extremely small, hovering over shows things overlapping
 
@rchern Will fix the hovering part, but what's small?
 
ie, delete and paste
 
@rchern Not sure about you, but their font-size for me is 1px larger than the contents, which is plenty large I think
thinks that @rchern doesn't like the clipboard because it isn't fully keyboard compatible
 
ah hrm. i guess it was so small because it was empty. i expected a "nothing jotted" message
 
@rchern Hmmm... ? Ah, bug fixing time
 
1:47 AM
get latest
geez the code is over 860 LOC now lol
where'd my tiny script go?! (;
 
@rchern Hehe... but seriously, we should think about pulling this thing apart
Also, mine's already reaching 900!
 
@rchern It grew up to become epic. :P
 
@YiJiang, you've added 40 LOC in like 5 minutes?
 
@rchern Not on yours, on my version here
I've got uncommited changes, so I'm not pulling a copy of your code yet
 
i see.
 
2:08 AM
@rchern Are we supposed to be using tabs or 4 spaces, by the way?
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Brilliant comment:
> How should I say this without offending someone. MSIE isn't the best browser in the world. You want to know why MSIE takes twice the time as FF for this operation. About 2 years ago I did a little test with string concatenation. Opera 9 finished in 0.2 seconds and Firefox 2 in 4.1 seconds. Can you guess how long time IE7 needed to do exactly the same ting? I don't know, because I terminated the test on MSIE7 since it hadn't finished after 20 MINUTES. [...]
 
Hahahah :P
 
O(n**n**n) ftw
 
tabs vs spaces, oy!
 
Heheh. ;)
I don't mind either way, I just wanted to be consistent :)
 
2:17 AM
everyone knows you use the tab key to insert spaces !
 
I just copied whatever the existing formatting was. Which I think was wrong, if I'm remembering correctly
 
oh, that's great, google alert on my name... "Officials say an autopsy was performed on Roger Pate..."
 
@RogerPate sorry for your, um, loss?
 
Well, forget the userscript.
Apparently the Zombie Apocalypse has started.
 
i have noticed different indentation settings, but i haven't cared much so far
 
2:19 AM
Roger Pate's cognitive abilities are...more impressive than I would have imagined for being a soldier of the living dead, but what can you do...except run.
 
@rchern: am I appearing callous and self-centered? not how I meant it, just disconcerting to see "<you> died of a single gunshot wound"
 
erm, i didn't get callous and self-centered at all.
 
@YiJiang HAHAH, that's great.
 
Teh zobmiez dmemnad teh pazswrod!!1!
 
2:21 AM
@RogerPate I turn up as a murdered teenager on Google, I think...
I was actually slightly disturbed when someone told me about that, because I happen to own that same shirt...
 
that's what rogerpate.com is
 
@TimStone That's.... a horribly inappropriate site design for a memorial
 
Oh, wow.
@rchern It's not a huge deal in my editor because I have the tab size set appropriately, but I did notice looking at the code on GitHub...I'm a little OCD about it, but I can blissfully ignore it if you aren't concerned about it.
 
teh passwrod is 1234
 
nah, a decision would be good.
@MichaelMrozek, @YiJiang, @TimStone...state your indentation cases (;
 
2:25 AM
@TimStone My code's indenting is a little all-over-the-place, so if you want to get mad you should be directing it to me :P
 
@Zypher, any servers drown so far?
 
Because I keep switching between three different editors and two OSes
 
nah ... just doing testing on SE sites right now
 
@YiJiang Hm, speaking of which, I'm supposed to setup a page for a memorial 5K run, still not very confident on how to go about that in a professional and respectful way...Might need to go harass one of my design friends, heh.
shakes fist at @YiJiang
 
@TimStone Clean, simple and professional, that's all
 
2:27 AM
proabably will be flipping the dns switch shorting for se sites
 
The memorial page bearing you name is a great example of what not to do
 
@RogerPate Wow is that really depressing...
 
@rchern I used to like four spaces. Then I realized that tabs are more appropriate since you can set the tab size in editors. Then I realized that I can't set the tab size in Firefox and that made me sad....so, I'm conflicted. ;)
 
Tabs are the obviously superior choice, for the reason @TimStone just said
Unlike the braces war, where I at least understand the arguments, I can't even figure out why people advocate spaces
 
tabs are the reason because you don't have to backspace multiple times to go left a level
 
2:30 AM
tabs would be the superior choice, if I had the time and patience to configure every tool and convince everyone else to do that too
 
@YiJiang Yeah, heh. I should probably get that done either today or tomorrow...You're welcome to critique when I'm done. ;) It's only going to be a page or two, so nothing big. :P
@rchern Ah, my editor takes care of that.. :P
 
Listening to: bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/ahow. Brilliant podcast
 
@rchern: eh, your editor can't do that with spaces?
 
well, i tend to use backspace rather than shift+tab for it
if i broke that habit, then yes it would take care of it (;
 
I use backspace too
 
2:31 AM
tab to go right but backspace to go left. i know it doesn't make sense, heh
 
@rchern This is what you get for using [whichever editor you use] instead of [my obviously superior editor]
 
Visual Studio :P
 
i edited, shush ):
@MichaelMrozek meanie (;
 
I use F3 to go right and Scroll Lock to go left. Is that unusual?
 
didn't see the edit fast enough :) I use tab+backspace like that too
@MichaelMrozek: it's not about which editor is better, it's about configuring the editor you choose to do what you want
because you will, at some point, work on spaces-only files even if you prefer tabs, and vice versa
 
2:34 AM
@RogerPate This is what editors with regular expression replace functionality are for :P
 
@TimStone One of the features I miss most from Expression Web is the tag search function
 
@TimStone, when you use the keyboard navigation and do a reply, is the cursor put at the end of the input or the beginning?
 
I don't want to open this debate, much rather take a smoke break; but I used to not understand spaces-only too — however, it's the best way to communicate with others across a wide variety of tools and get consistent results
 
@rchern The end
 
hrmmm |: .... :251996
 
2:37 AM
I'm waiting for somebody to mention vim, and feeling very let down
 
@RogerPate That's a fair point :)
 
is spoiling for a fight
 
Whatever text you have in #input gets wiped out when I use keyboard reply
 
I still occasionally edit SO posts with embedded tabs that screw the markdown to hell
 
@YiJiang, I'm aware of that. I'm saying the cursor is put to the left of the : for me
 
2:38 AM
Also, sometimes I get :undefined
 
Chrome, having an issue with appropriately setting the focus?!
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A: Problem with Google Chrome and Javascript. Guru needed!

Tim StoneI'm not really sure what the cause of the issue is, as there are times where Chrome will give focus to the element correctly, though most of the time it does not. You shouldn't need to request focus at all, since the focus is not lost when you press the key. If you omit the setEditFocus() call, y...

 
interestingly enough, only on other people's messages for a reply, not if navigate and use the right arrow to edit - that works as expected
 
No way!
 
so why is the behavior different edit vs reply?
 
Hmm
 
2:39 AM
@rchern's 252003 gets me :undefined every time I try to reply to it
 
the focus is always there, just the cursor in different places
 
@TimStone: in chat? I'm not seeing it, but not using this userscript addon thingymabob dohicky whatchamacallit
 
I just .focus() it.
I'm sure it's fixable though, let me look into it. :)
 
@RogerPate thingadongdong.
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@TimStone The selection API is one of the worse API I've ever seen... don't go there, please...
 
2:40 AM
@RogerPate Yep
@YiJiang Heheh, yeah..yeah. shudder
 
Can anyone else repro the :undefined problem?
 
no. it's my own message, but it goes into edit mode just fine
 
@YiJiang No, but I'll fix that too.
 
(with the cursor in the right spot!) (;
 
Hmm
Ah yeah, it goes to the front for me too...Interesting.
 
2:46 AM
could add a reply command if that makes your code easier. and then if anyone tries /reply it'd work as well
 
@rchern Yeah, but really, you should educate your users that : is easier to use
 
@MichaelMrozek vim's ui sucks
 
@RogerPate 'ere we go again!
ding ding Fight!
 
we should argue about 'string' vs "string" in js
 
Heheh :P
 
3:09 AM
the script is going to need more organization soon
 
@rchern I don't get it... I pulled your master branch, and it told me that there were only two insertion
I was pretty sure there were more changes?
 
3:27 AM
yeah, those are tim's. i ended up with mine in a local branch i haven't pushed yet, heh
 
Pull request, away!
 
3:54 AM
(:
nice
 
Yeah, apparently Chrome expects you to focus before setting the field value.
Well, at least in the sense that it will appropriately handle the caret repositioning on its own if the field has focus when the value is changed.
 
ah
 
Then I'm 99% sure that @YiJiang's problem was caused by my using .data('message') that I had set when you create the ID boxes on the right. I just removed that, since the .replace('message-', '') is probably not expensive enough to warrant that.
 
Hmmm... WA and Gaming's back up again
 
@Yi all SE sites should be back up
 
4:00 AM
@TimStone Shouldn't substring(8) be simpler?
 
Iunno, right now it uses the method I mention.
 
@Zypher So when's SO moving?
 
We are doing SF/SU now
 
I just copied, like how I was lazy before and saved the result. :P
 
SO should be in a bit
 
4:02 AM
WA doesn't seem writeable to me
 
hmm devs might not have released the RO flags yet
but we are serving out of the NYC datacenter
oh hrm ... interesting you might still be pulling the OR Datacenter's ip
 
ping ip is more like meta's ip than chat's ip
hmm, no more RO flag (:
 
@Zypher The whole thing looks very confusing - the banner and the read-only stuff seems to disappear and reappear with every page load
 
yep
i'm seeing the problem
checking to see if it's sytem wide, or just webapps
 
i haven't gotten it again since doing a ping
 
4:07 AM
Everything has been and continues to look good from my end, so you get a thumbs up from me. ;)
 
hmm though i see it on meta
yeah, ping gives me the OR ip
flushdns and we're good here again (:
 
ok it was isolated to webapps
our change script also didn't remove the old ip
so it was round-robining the webapps domain between the two servers
just published the changes :)
 
or, ya know, could be that too...
 
:-D
 
dunno why we'd believe a valued associate, not like they know anything
q:
 
4:11 AM
I wouldn't believe me
 
Yuck... pickled mangoes. Picked that up from the supermarket instead of the dried mangoes we should have
 
My former room mate's ex-girlfriend used to love that stuff...Not really sure why. Dried mangoes are quite good, though.
 
Why would anyone want to pickle mangoes?
 
@TimStone, did that commit have spaces in it?? (;
 
Oh, whoops. :P
Sorry, I forgot to change my editor preferences.
@YiJiang I imagine the practice started something like "Here's a perfectly good, delicious fruit...now, what can we do to ruin that?"
 
4:15 AM
@TimStone i'm not anal about it hehe
i'm gonna have to start committing, y'all have more commits than me now i think!
 
I'm such a big fan of consistency though, argh!
 
@rchern I thought that was the point of open sourcing your code ;)
 
@YiJiang Hm, if that's the case, you should all learn Java and come do some of my work for me. ;)
@rchern It's OK, you still have the biggest impact. :P
 
hehehe
whew
q:
 
Goshdarnit... only 270 lines.... must beat @TimStone... goes off to pad commits with more blank lines
 
4:19 AM
My code is short, sweet, and to the point. :P
I feel like I'm looking at Braille, heh.
 
punchcard? heh
 
Well, Braille where someone messed up and accidentally added a huge dot in the middle of things.
 
hmm, do y'all think we need to flesh out commands into objects?
 
I think it'll be nice if you only have a small core set of functions and objects
Like commands, and some abstractions for, say, localStorage
Then all commands are smaller subscripts that are added only if the user needs them
 
hmm, user shouldn't need to do anything but install
 
4:23 AM
So that large modules like, say, my clipboard thingy, can be removed to improve performance if they're not needed
@rchern So you're more in favor of the all-in-one approach then?
 
The problem there being that the script management mechanisms currently available suck (IMO), so sticking with a single file avoids the headache of tracking and updating different features.
 
indeed
 
As far as the user is concerned, that is.
Also, hello @PopularDemand :P
 
I suppose my idea is nice in concept, but hard to get right in practice
 
if anything, developing it into a full extension with a settings page of toggles would be the way to go
 
4:26 AM
A oh-for-christ-sake-leave-the-question-there-for-other's moment
 
how come sometimes i have to manually go to the login page to kick in the auto login and sometimes it'll kick in from the homepage ):
 
That's a good question, I've had that happen too..
Although I almost never get logged out anyway.
 
ditto, but the migration did.
 
@rchern I think the MSO question on the new global login system has the details
 
i remember it happening when it was first implemented, and none of the answers seemed to apply
 
4:34 AM
It is JavaScript based, so who knows.. :P
 
since it isn't all sites i see it on
 
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A: How does SO's new auto-login feature work?

Kevin MontroseI'm going to provide more than just the technical details here, as I think there are alot of implicit assumptions about global login that aren't quite correct out there. Accordingly, this is going to be really long. Design Requirements A user having logged into any SE-site will be automatic...

 
if it can read an auth token when i hit /login, then it should be able to read who i am 2 seconds earlier when i hit / hehehe
 
Ah good, my mega-answer was accepted, effectively teaching me nothing about the consequences of spending so much time researching trivial things instead of working. :P
 
4:53 AM
Local storage is way simpler than I thought it was. I'm no longer impressed by scripts that use it
 
@Zypher, getting occasional RO state on MWA...by-design or issue?
 
@MichaelMrozek Hehe...
 
@rchern do nslookup meta.webapps.stackexchange.com ;)
 
i did a ping before and it gave me the NY ip but now i'm seeing both and it seems to alternate on page requests like you were talking about for WA before
 
yea, same issue as before, just published the changes (god i can't wait to get off this service and onto our own servers)
... if you do an nslookup it'll return two ip's for one hostname (well it would ahve before i fixed it ... )
 

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