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9:44 AM

Did I mention the FAQ?

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If you are a regular here, you've probably noticed that we've been playing with a chat system for stackoverflow. Well, we think we're at a point where we can unveil it to the unruly horde. So; chat is now open! At the moment we're still limiting it to meta-stackoverflow, but ultimately every Sta...

Nick Craver

11:07 AM

Hey @marc, looks good...one question though, are the scripts supposed to be minified/combined/CDN based?

Currently the page has around a ~120kb and a dozen requests that could be saved, not sure if that's planned for later or just overlooked...since it was minified during the beta test.

Marc Gravell

11:24 AM

Heya; reading (sorry, was on the 'phone ;p)

Nick Craver

it's all good, tracking down a bug in our LINQ provider here :)

Marc Gravell

Yes, they are supposed to be minified, but I did switch build-servers yesterday - maybe something went "ping"

CDN - yes, that is planned (sstatic). Ditto image combination.

Nick Craver

I meant more of the script combination, and possibly pulling jQuery from the Google CDN?

I thought during beta you guys might have been leaving things intentionally debuggable remotely, just wasn't sure

Marc Gravell

nah; they were minified last time ;p

Nick Craver

easier to troubleshoot any leaks this way though :)

Marc Gravell

11:37 AM

but it does suggest my build script went ping. Oh, and it looks like the IP rate-limiter is unhappy too. But it generally works.

Nick Craver

i had firefox open for a moment in the same room, got a notification bar from that, not sure what the limit is though

if it's based just on requests, initially loading those JavaScript files may reach a cap quickly ;)

Marc Gravell

exactly; we're meant to be whitelisted until we get on sstatic. I know we fixed our internal dev server, but obviously chat.meta was missed.

Nick Craver

ah gotcha

just got kicked off SO again, I swear this has to be a real bug: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/59331/…

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Marc Gravell

I agree. I used to get kicked from Chrome; but F5 and I was in again.

Re js; let's just say that there's a heavily-weighted 50% chance of getting the minified version ;p

yes I know that makes no statistical sense, but two servers; one much beefier that tends to pick up the work; guess which didn't minify?

Nick Craver

doh

if you feed them all into closure you can compile it all, since you're loading the same scripts in every room

Marc Gravell

11:44 AM

that is the compiler we're using

Nick Craver

with a jQuery extern reference you can compress them down a bit further, need to test for sure though

are you minifying each, or have a list you run though?

Marc Gravell

Try a hard-F5 now

Nick Craver

k

minified

Marc Gravell

at the moment we minify separately, but could merge them too. That needs slightly more work to the build process, though.

Nick Craver

I hear ya, have to do that here when I get time, the quick fix was a batch in the build for CSS/JS minification/compiling, soon will have time for a powershell port (and maybe IKVM, the JVM spool up time is 60% of a local build time currently)

batch file hides the exit codes of closure though, so the build doesn't fail if the compile does, which is a bit of a problem

Casebash

11:48 AM

The notification bar repeatedly appearing is annoying. i only need to see the message once!

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Marc Gravell

yes, we have that logged as a "todo"; let me kill that for now.

Casebash

The feeds section seems new. Could be good, although this depends on the rate that new questions are asked

Richard

So what's changed since the 3 day beta?

Nick Craver

this one's for more days!

Casebash

There was a 3 day beta? I only saw the 1 day beta

Marc Gravell

11:52 AM

@Codebash - see, blink and you miss it ;p

Richard

I see horizontal separators on the display... from time gaps?

Casebash

@MarcGravell: Its Casebash. And you now have auto-complete so you have no excuse =P

Yeh, what do those separators represent?

Marc Gravell

If only we had a FAQ...

Casebash

Isn't this it?

Nick Craver

whooooosh

Casebash

11:54 AM

And there is the screen that appears when you first log in

Marc Gravell

If you have chat open but we don't think you've seen new messages, the system adds a dotted line like this:

Anything below that should be new to you. If you are away for a longer period, your user profile allows you to get a summarized view of messages in your rooms (in particular if you are @mentioned, etc).

Richard

@MarcGravell that would be too easy, too much like reading the manual.

Nick Craver

I see rtffaq in our future

Marc Gravell

what we do is: we use your web-cam to track your eye movements. If you haven't scanned the line, we know.

Vivi

@MarcGravell haha

Marc Gravell

11:58 AM

Re "what's new"; mainly UI polish etc. The @autocomplete has been re-written (we dropped this just before the 3-day trial, as it was beyond flakey). Starring and flagging of existing items is a lot easier; the room-list has had some love...

...better support for mobile devices; popup mini-help...

...we've moved hardware; the UI for moderation is actually usable now...

...and just general tweaks, twiddles, etc.

Marc Gravell

Hi @Florin

@Casebash - are you still seeing the notification bar?

(intermittent) we seem to be missing a star icon on the right...

(goes looking for a missing image file)

Lol; the image is there, but it is this annoying known problem:

> There are an unusual number of requests coming from this IP address.

Richard

I see a silver and a gold star on the two favourite messages on the RHS... both have two votes, so why the different icon? (Or is it that I voted for one and not the other?)

Marc Gravell

the bit in brackets

rchern

12:28 PM

@MarcGravell, I feel like I remember upvoting a question about all the actions that open a new tab, but I can't find the question now. Any plans for changes there?

Marc Gravell

Well, mostly that is...

status-bydesign

rchern

Oh. ):

Marc Gravell

I don't think we've changed anything there at the moment, but it remains an option

Casebash

@Marc: No, not seeing it now

@MarcGravell: How did you do "status-bydesign"?

Marc Gravell

status-like-this

Nick Craver

12:32 PM

status-normal

Marc Gravell

;p [status-bydesign]

Casebash

[Thanks]

Marc Gravell

it has to be on a line by itself

rchern

Am I missing something that prevents me from ending up with lots of tabs open as a result of using the chat?

Marc Gravell

#fail!

Casebash

12:33 PM

It was on a line by itself

Nick Craver

Any chance of in-line links being detected without a line by themselves?

Marc Gravell

[status-*]

@rchern - we generally use it with just one tab, watching the "other rooms" pane

Casebash

status-thanks

Marc Gravell

@Nick - regular links are; for example raw stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/c%23 or as markdown

did you have something else in mind?

Nick Craver

the regular links, SO, meta, questions, answer, wikipedia, all those detected ones, I assume via regex that doesn't tolerate anything else on the line

rchern

12:35 PM

The "more rooms" link is the biggest offender personally. New tab for joining each room and then later looking to see what other rooms exist.

Marc Gravell

@Nick deliberately... it would be hard to wrap that

Nick Craver

hard to wrap from a regex perspective or UI?

Marc Gravell

UI: what would it look like with meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/59438/… in the middle, but rendered?

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A: Public Beta of chat.meta.stackoverflow

In other news, productivity in start up software companies reached an all new low today.

rchern

Oh, are the sound notifications working for anybody? I bumped it up to "all" and I'm getting nothing.

Marc Gravell

@rchern - do you have flashblock?

HoLyVieR

12:37 PM

do you have your speaker on ?

Nick Craver

Oh I meant like this, say I wrote: This is a question: stackoverflow.com/questions/3396317/…

Then it would render that line, then the link below it

Richard

@rchern not here either, but I'm not sure anyone has directly mentioned me.

Nick Craver

not in the middle stripping it, just showing the match, as if it were this:

This is a question: stackoverflow.com/questions/3396317/…

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Feeds

Marc testing sound

Marc Gravell

sound works for me

Nick Craver

12:38 PM

think emoticon replacement, but it doesn't replace, it just sticks the smiley after

Marc Gravell

@Richard - now you don't feel left out

rchern

Yes my speaker is on, lol.

Richard

@Marc: now I hear things... so that is working.

Marc Gravell

@rchern what browser? I know we changed something there recently - maybe your browser doesn't like it ;(

@rchern - would an in-page room browser (popup from "more rooms") be preferable there, do you think?

rchern

Chrome Dev Channel, waits for "we don't support non-stable versions"

Richard

12:40 PM

Is there anyway to find what feed that @Feeds is following?

Marc Gravell

and no flashblock? (still checking...)

rchern

Just disabled it, and yeah I got a sound notification. After hearing the sound though...wow that's an annoying sound! oO

HoLyVieR

just put music in the back, it's a bit less annoying that way

Marc Gravell

Re "Feeds" - what is the actual question there? What is it you want to know?

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Q: Suggest message beeps, blips and boops for the third place (the chat)

What beeps, blips or boops should be used when for the third place? I am talking about the sound played when a message is received on chat.meta.stackoverflow.com and pals.

discussion chat

rchern

@MarcGravell, re the "more rooms", the space underneath the favorited questions is half my browser height. Are there plans for that space? Maybe a rooms listing?

Marc Gravell

12:46 PM

But you already get a (limited) rooms listing in "other rooms"...?

rchern

Otherwise yeah, and I could easily see Transcript/Search/Info being modal.

But if I'm just joining chat, and there's multiple rooms I want to join?

Marc Gravell

it shouldn't be the limiting reason, but yes; that space does have other things; flagged posts can appear there, for example

@rchern - actually, we did discuss a "rejoin all my favorites" - would that do?

rchern

And if I'm a curious bugger that likes to know what else is there or what else got created :p

Marc Gravell

you can do that via the lobby of course... but you want everything here, don't you ;p

Maybe new rooms as they appear could scroll somewhere...

Richard

Re: Feeds: How do I find out what feed is "Feeds" following in this room?

rchern

12:50 PM

It'd help, but in general, something to avoid a bunch of new tabs. Anytime I want to look at the rooms, do a search, view the transcript, view the info.

Marc Gravell

In this room? it isn't

rchern

I can hardly read the tab names in my browser from having multiple SE sites open, once I get chat tabs going it is hopeless. (;

Marc Gravell

which reminds me; Jin still owes me some favicons

Richard

@Marc: so how come @Feeds appears above?

rchern

What about adding a line for Feeds in the chat info?

Marc Gravell

12:53 PM

@Richard - I used a dev hook for that; I needed to test the sound; I can push a message from Feeds

Actually, we can now have multiple "Feeds" users, with their own names/icons/etc - only really useful for the longer-life rooms, but useful.

Richard

@Marc: "dev hook": one step up from diamond mod? :-)

Thanks

Marc Gravell

@rchern - "a line for Feeds in the chat info?" - sorry, I don't follow.

rchern

In the info link (new tab grrr) for a room, if Feeds is pushing messages in: "Feeds will announce new posts for <url>."

Marc Gravell

Oh right; I see. That info is available to the room owner(s), but I can see how that would be useful for room users. Thanks. That's a good idea.

rchern

Just going off @Richard's comment.

I need 2 rows of tabs :p

Marc Gravell

1:01 PM

need a wider monitor ;p

Nick Craver

open more chrome windows :)

rchern

I do! That's just my StackExchange window!

Marc Gravell

@rchern - added ;p (the feeds stuff; not the wider monitor; sorry)

@Richard - yes, there is now; he/it/whatever just isn't following anyone here.

Richard

So summary: if a feed is hooked into a room it is listed on the info page. But in this room there is no feed, and the appearance of @Feeds was due to @MarcGravell going behind the scenes...

Feeds

correct

Richard

1:20 PM

@MarcGravell :-)

rchern

1:44 PM

@Marc, what do you mean not the wider monitor? I'm sitting by my door waiting for the delivery.

Michael Mrozek

2:16 PM

How are the feed channels created? Is there a way for users to make them?

Marc Gravell

in your own room, sure. Or they can be added by a moderator

Michael Mrozek

Ah, victory. I didn't realize the create room screen has less options than the edit room screen

Hmm. So clicking "edit" in a room opens a new window, but saving changes in that new window takes you back to the room, so now you're in the room twice. It should probably close the new window instead

It took me a minute to figure out how I ended up in the same room three times

Richard

4:07 PM

Feedback: If would be nice if the title (i.e. shown on tabs) included an indication of on which open tab I was mentioned. The sound tells me I was, but with a few tabs open to different rooms it is not always obvious where.

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