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Jin
7:00 PM
ha. i really didn't do that much.
 
Great job guys, im really impressed. When I saw Jeff's post, I thought it was just going to be a forum
 
@MarcG: mobile=true looks really messed up when I view it in Chrome, it's very glitchy
 
see? modesty. You should see the inception graphics
 
wait a mo and I'll post a screenshot
 
@Andy - yes; I get that too. Looks like my video driver is borked. Need to look at that.
diagonal garbage?
 
7:02 PM
yeah
 
oh... I won't bother with the screen shot then.
 
@Jin Are there any other ways of displaying the Chat Context Menu that you've thought of? The dotted box and big arrow is bugging me
 
I get that too
diagonal garbage, after it rendered everything
ATI Radeon HD 4850 card
 
Either diagonal garbage or the bottom few messages get splorged together
 
no idea what that is; thoughts from @balpha / @Jin ?
 
7:02 PM
@jin So yah, as I was saying in General. I'd love dark themes. Being light sensitive is a pain when everything uses gray on white. Or, anything on white, for that matter.
I've tried userstyles for SO, but it was a bit hokey.
 
Jin
@Chacha102 i think that part can be polished more.
 
seen it -- no idea what it is, though
something makes the browser think the page is larger than it is
 
Jin
@GeorgeMarian george which site are you talking about?
 
scroll up, and it's gone
 
@Jin A few people were saying that they like to see the flag/upvote buttons from comments brought over
 
7:04 PM
I also had an issue with scrolling on my iphone - if you scroll up and let go, the next new message forces the window to scroll to that message.
 
Jin
@GeorgeMarian or are you talking about in general? a user can pick a customized theme for SO sites?
 
@jin Any and all. Though specifically for SO sites, since that is your domain. right?
 
Jin
@Chacha102 i don't think we have to use the same icons from SO for this chat. Keep in mind this chat will be used by many non trilogy/tech users later. Some of them may not have even heard of SO before.
 
@jin There is a style sheet for the userstyles Firefox plugin for SO, but it's less than perfect. I guess I could be motivated enough to hack away at it and bring it up to my standards.
 
Jin
@GeorgeMarian can't you use a customized css to load SO sites?
@GeorgeMarian we have some dark themes in place for future SE sites. but not for the trilogy atm.
 
7:07 PM
@jin Yup, but I'd prefer a better solution. That's basically what I'm saying.
 
Jin
@GeorgeMarian the easiest way would be to change the bgcolor to a slightly dark gray IMO with a personal css.
 
@jin E.g. Hootsuite finally has a dark theme, which I think works better than client side style sheet could, due to the potential need to update and all that.
@jin It's a bit more involved. Can't just change the bgcolor w/o also changing the foreground colors to suit.
@jin The specific issue w/ the userstyles css was with quoting.
 
Jin
george do you use window's highcontrast mode? I know some users use that
 
chat seems to work fine using Steam overlay
 
@jin You mean the ui theme?
 
7:14 PM
which I guess it should, after they moved to Webkit
 
Jin
@GeorgeMarian yes it's a built in accessibility feature in Windows and OSX. although it makes every super high contrast..
 
@jin Thanks, I just found it. Google FTW! I'm trying it right now. I dunno what I think of it, but I'll fool around with it.
I'm glad to see there's a built-in shortcut for it.
 
I renamed General to The Tavern
 
@jin It may be possible to tweak the theme so it isn't so high contrast. Thanks again for reminding me about the accessibility features. I never thought I'd be using 'em. Is that sign that I'm getting old?
 
Jin
@GeorgeMarian well i use a few accessibility tools myself. I absolutely love Readability Bookmarklet. It's awesome for reading blog/news type of sites. Get it now: lab.arc90.com/experiments/readability
 
7:26 PM
@jin Ooooh, interesting. Thanks!
 
You cleaned up the UI since yesterday, looks better now :)
 
Jin
@MichaelStum are you talking about the top bar?
 
@Jin Yes, but also the Chat itself looks better now, yesterday it looked like a threaded discussion thing. But maybe that's just when people "embed" stuff into their messages?
 
Jin
I haven't done anything to chat recently. Maybe Ben/Marc did something?
yes, embedding stuff has a left margin, so it'd appear to be threaded. that's still the same though.
 
I think marc and jeff atwood were talking about some things late last night.
 
7:33 PM
we haven't changed much
minimal impact/risk while people have a close eye on it ;p
 
YOU RUINED IT!!!!
 
also: we're trying to help get people's feedback, and that takes time too
 
Maybe I shouldn't have visited the Sandbox as a base for comparison, but yesterday it looked like MySpace and now it still looks messy, but I'm guessing that's just because there is so much going on: There are questions, Threads, Images, Links, User Profile Pictures, Tags... A bit like Google Wave :)
 
but hopefully with a longer life-expectancy than Wave.
 
Jin
@MichaelStum yes. sandbox is like /b/ here...
 
7:35 PM
/me wishes people would stop mentioning Wave re chat.
 
@MichaelStum LOL @ google wave. I'm kinda dissappointed that never turned into anything useful.
 
@MarcGravell Wasn't Wave amazing?
 
I'm guessing it's a bit overwhelming at first (again, Sandbox isn't great to conclude usability), mainly because I thought that chat = text and now you have all this other stuff. Need to experiment a bit more
 
I never "got" Wave
 
@GeorgeMarian Wave was great, Google should just have offered a way to allow companies to host their own Wave internally. Around here, everyone liked wave but we concluded not to externalize our Chat to ANY outside source.
 
7:37 PM
I liked the notion of everything being a conversation and being able to attach anything to it. But there was too much hype. Talk about over-promise, under-deliver.
 
The collaboration algorithms used in Wave were actually quite good. Just wasn't packaged well for use.
 
So, when is buzz.stackoverflow.com going to launch? ducks :P I do like the chat though, I just find it a bit hard to read. Don't exactly know why. I wonder if it would be better to move the profile picture to the left of the name, so that it doesn't grab the attention that should go to the text?
 
@ChrisBallance Yah, that was basically my complaint about it. The front end was rather clunky.
 
Jin
StackFaceBookSpacester
 
"wasn't packaged well for use" ... things that are awesome except for use are maybe not awesome
 
7:42 PM
I liked the algorithms used for collaboration. Dogfooding it was not a good choice. Wasn't ready for prime-time at all.
 
Jin
I didn't like the UI for Wave.
I was impressed, but didn't like it. It feels they designed it for tech savvy people, but not your average joes.
which may explain why it was hard for everyday people to start using it.
 
Something about Wave felt like Zombo.com
 
A, come on, how could you NOT like such a clear, streamlined, concise and non-busy UI? heise.de/imgs/18/5/5/1/9/1/0/…
 
"you can do anything! anything at all!"
 
LoL, Zombo.com is great.
@Kyle You can do anything with nothing...needs to provide the ability to do something first.
 
7:45 PM
true!
 
Another suggestion: When someone joins the room, the floating name is maybe a bit too big. Maybe just something subtle like a pulsating picture and a little "John Doe has joined" text at the bottom of the attendees.
 
mmmm....gotta say, i love being able to edit chat messages, after the fact...my typos just bug the heck out of me.
 
Jin
@MichaelStum noted
 
I love kittens, don't you agree?
And unicorns.
 
@George I'm not able to edit my previous messages. How do you do this? So maybe I can edit older messages
 
7:49 PM
Hit the UP-key
Or click the action menu to the left of your message
 
Jin
@ChrisBallance hit up. but there's a timer though
 
I was trying an old comment. Looks like only most recent. That answers my question, thanks guys.
 
You can edit your messages within 2 minutes of posting them
 
Good that there is a timer.
 
@ChrisBallance I used the little down arrow that appears on hover.
@KyleHodgson Agreed.
 
7:57 PM
Do you have public usage statistics? Might be interesting to see which rooms have how much traffic/visitors during what time of the day
 
Jin
so you can plan your sleep schedule around it? :)
 
your point? :)
 
whats with the feather?
do you guys see it? no way
 
Jin
that's a pencil
 
it's an edited flag
 
8:02 PM
There is no spoon
 
i dont think it looks like a pencil
it looks like kissing lips or a feather, or leaf
 
What's with the "encoding" problem stand-in?
@jin Gah. High contrast mode has some serious usability issues on a bunch of sites, including SO. =(
 
Jin
@GeorgeMarian window's implementation of high contrast mode is pretty bad unfortunately. it removed all web sites' bg images.
 
@jin Yup, that's basically the issue, I think.
 

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