Chat feedback

Marc Gravell

12:00 PM

@Nick - will look, but non-trivial; feeds doesn't currently get a key record for that

Nick Craver

ah gotcha, yeah shot in the dark as to how those integrate :)

Marc Gravell

@Nick - faked it up for now... ;p

Nick Craver

magic numbers? :)

Chris S

that last time I used to IE was with watin

Marc Gravell

@Nick - no, just added the missing record. Now it is there, they should stay correct.

Nick Craver

12:09 PM

ah cool

thanks for satisfying my useless curiosity :)

@Andy - we have a current pain at work in IE, evidently $.isPlainObject($(document)) is true in IE, false in everything else because of property order

I need to stick a jQuery core bug in for it

Andy E's head

@Nick: heh. Is property order defined in the spec?

Nick Craver

nope, it's a false assumption of whoever wrote isPlainObject that order is ensured

Andy E's head

There's a lot of that going around :-)

Nick Craver

I didn't realize it was a problem explaining an IE bug we've had until I saw this question yesterday:

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Q: $.isPlainObject($('...')) == true in IE

It doesn't in FF/Chrome and I don't think it should in IE. after all $() doesn't return a plain object, but an instance of $. Am I wrong?

Andy E's head

you have your own jsfiddle path? lol I want one...

Nick Craver

12:18 PM

should be into public beta soon and you get get an account :)

Your earlier comment on voting...yeah I gave up on figuring out what people vote on a long time ago, great answers may get accepted with 0, simple yet useful answers may be +30

Andy E's head

@Nick: yeah, like that "Am I using too much jQuery?" answer I posted recently? :p

superjoe30

jQuery? More like YAY QUERY amirite?

Andy E's head

I only just found out you can view a "light" version of your fiddle

Nick Craver

yup, and a preview page, there's a few formats

Andy E's head

They could do with throwing a few links up to those pages

Are you involved with jsFiddle somehow?

Nick Craver

12:23 PM

just doing some testing for them, basically using it as I do anyway just helping report a few bugs

authors are a few moo tools guys, there's one very annoying backspace bug in the code editor now that needs solving, can't quite repro it consistently yet...ever been stuck when you can't hit backspace? have to click away?

Andy E's head

Yeah, I've run into that a few times in Chrome

Mootools guys eh? that explains why it defaults to Mootools as the framework :\

Nick Craver

easy solution for that, create a fiddle like you want it, bookmark that

Andy E's head

@Nick: yeah, I keep meaning to do that, thanks for the reminder

Nick Craver

fork for questions, I have a fiddle with jQuery 1.4.2, jquery UI 1.8.2 and the css from google CDN included that I use

Andy E's head

cool :-)

Nick Craver

12:30 PM

np, fork this jsfiddle.net/nick_craver/NqmEX may want to change the css, that one's the dotluv theme

Andy E's head

re: the backspace bug, it affects the left arrow key too

Nick Craver

yup that's the one, trying to figure it out, really rare case

Andy E's head

Done, ta :-)

Nick Craver

so glad to see the memory leaks from favorites gone in here, can leave it open without this tab alone eating a gig and crashing :)

Andy E's head

@Nick: I specifically remember it happening after I paste code into the editor, but I'm not sure if it always repros

Chris S

12:33 PM

2

Q: Capturing a keypress inside a div, that has an object tag inside it

Is it possible to capture a keypress of a div tag which is housing an active-x object? For example: <body> <div id="silverlightControlHost"> <object data="data:application/x-silverlight-2," type="application/x-silverlight-2" width="100%" height="100%"> .....

javascript keypress

Andy E's head

@ChrisS: you should probably accept Tomalak's answer there. Flash in Firefox is the only object I know of that triggers DOM events on its containers.

Nick Craver

hey when did chrome add about:memory ?

never noticed this before

Chris S

The main problem is we need CTRL+B and CTRL+I in IE

Andy E's head

See this too
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3301680/event-not-bubbling-in-some-browsers-when-clicked-on-flash/3301703#3301703

Stephen Denne

@NickCraver looooong time ago

Andy E's head

12:36 PM

@Marc: when did you add the code icon next to the send butto... whoa! it just disappeared!

Stephen Denne

@NickCraver chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/…

Chris S

@AndyE'shead I'll mark it answered

Marc Gravell

@Andy - it is there if it thinks you have a multi-line post

Nick Craver

@Stephen - thanks! I knew about the others but that's much handier :)

Chris S

And face the wrath of "it's doesn't work like Word"

Andy E's head

12:38 PM

@Marc: interesting. Fade in... fade out... fade in... fade out... this could keep me distracted for ages.

Marc Gravell

wow; imagine what he'd be like with a lava lamp

wds

I'm confused as to when it links answers in

or questions

Nick Craver

@wds - when the line is just that link

Marc Gravell

they have to be in a post by themselves

wds

ah okay thanks

And the same happens for tweets and the like?

Or maybe just tweets for now

Andy E's head

12:40 PM

Actually, they have to be in a message by themselves. A link on its own line in a multiline message doesn't onebox

@MarcG: not sure if that's by design ^

Marc Gravell

@Andy - yes, by design. I meant "post", not "line"

Chris S

@MarcGravell Are entire chat logs going to be archived? Or just favourites

Marc Gravell

normally, just post multiple messages

probably entire

Nick Craver

does it handle tweets?

"this is probably the first web-chat implementation that could convince me it can surpass IRC." http://goo.gl/u0Ms

Tweeted by codinghorror on August 5, 2010 at 8:26 AM

@marc was a list of handled URLs ever posted, or we have to find them all?

Andy E's head

Nothing like publicly tooting your own horn ;-)

Marc Gravell

12:42 PM

yes, on meta

@Andy the quote was from here, though

hmemcpy

are #hashtags supported? :)

Marc Gravell

in Chat feedback, 2010-08-05, by Nick Johnson

You know, this is probably the first web-chat implementation that could convince me it can surpass IRC.

Right; phone call to make, then I need to go collect something...

Andy E's head

oh, it was a quote... I take it back then :-P

Marc Gravell

ttfn

Andy E's head

cya

Marc Gravell

12:43 PM

try not to break it ;p

Andy E's head

we know the drill

wds

shouldn't we try extra hard to break it?

Andy E's head

(quick, everyone stress test the hell outta this thing!)

Marc Gravell

key phrases to remember:

- "go read the FAQ"

- "no there's no PM"

- "no, there isn't an IRC API"

spoulson

@MarcGravell Speaking of FAQ, how do you insert an image for the animated gif room?

Andy E's head

12:45 PM

@Marc: what about "a/s/l" = instaban? :p

hmemcpy

How does the twitter paste work?

Nick Craver

ah found it

4

A: What links and sites are handled specially in chat?

The current list of integrated (we call this onebox, or oneboxing, ala search engines) sites is: Stack Exchange Questions Stack Exchange Answers Stack Exchange Users Stack Exchange Chat Messages Stack Exchange Chat Rooms (though not really pretty yet) Amazon Twitter Wikipedia XKCD YouTube Sou...

wds

oh god

youtube...

Marc Gravell

@spoulson - just post the url. If it isn't obviously an image, prefix the url with !

hmemcpy

testing

Tweeted by hmemcpy on August 5, 2010 at 12:44 PM

oh cool :)

spoulson

12:46 PM

@MarcGravell Aha! It showed up as a link at first, then went image.

Marc Gravell

go the the sandbox for testing things, please

KristoferA

oh, cool, it resizes images too

Marc Gravell

Sandbox - Just a playground to try out the features of this chat.

Sandbox - Playing around with formatting

Greg Hewgill

why are there two?

Marc Gravell

maybe they didn't see highlander?

Greg Hewgill

12:50 PM

touché

KristoferA

@MarcGravell it would be neat if it could do video URLs too... e.g. if it is a .mp4 (video/mpeg) etc resource then embed as embedded video...

Chris S

latex support would be nice
http://mathurl.com/render.cgi?%5Cbegin%7Bbmatrix%7D%20%0Ax_%7B1%7D%20%26%20x_%7B4%7D%20%26%20x_%7B7%7D%20%5C%5C%0Ax_%7B2%7D%20%26%20x_%7B5%7D%20%26%20x_%7B8%7D%20%5C%5C%0Ax_%7B3%7D%20%26%20x_%7B6%7D%20%26%20x_%7B9%7D%20%0A%5Cend%7Bbmatrix%7D%5Cnocache

Donny V.

ribbed or plain

It was a joke. ;-)

Chris S

that dynamic image url didn't work

KristoferA

@ChrisS @DonnyV ...or leather?

Andy E's head

12:52 PM

@KristoferA: YouTube links work, but they take you to YouTube to watch the video (which makes sense since the page here is always scrolling).

Chris S

none of the above

Marc Gravell

$\begin{bmatrix} x_{1} & x_{4} & x_{7} \\ x_{2} & x_{5} & x_{8} \\ x_{3} & x_{6} & x_{9} \end{bmatrix}\nocache$

Chris S

http://mathurl.com/render.cgi?\begin{bmatrix}%20%0Ax_{1}%20%26%20x_{4}%20%26%20x_{7}%20\\%0Ax_{2}%20%26%20x_{5}%20%26%20x_{8}%20\\%0Ax_{3}%20%26%20x_{6}%20%26%20x_{9}%20%0A\end{bmatrix}\nocache

Andy E's head

@ChrisS: it has to be in a separate message

Marc Gravell

lol! referrer fail

Chris S

12:52 PM

ah

KristoferA

@AndyE'shead yep, but non-youtube video - e.g. a URL pointing just to a MP4 file hosted elsewhere...

Chris S

mathurl.com/render.cgi?\begin{bmatrix}%20%0Ax_{1}%20%26%20x_{4}%20%26%20x_{7}%20\\%0Ax_{2}%20%26%20x_{5}%20%26%20x_{8}%20\\%0Ax_{3}%20%26%20x_{6}%20%26%20x_{9}%20%0A\end{bmatrix}\nocache

Marc Gravell

@Chris - prefix with ! if not an obvious image

KristoferA

...for the many online tutorial screencast videos etc...

Chris S

$beginbmatrix x_1 & x_4 & x_7 x_2 & x_5 & x_8 x_3 & x_6 & x_9 endbmatrixnocache$

Andy E's head

12:53 PM

@KristoferA: that would require everyone to have a suitable plugin for playing MP4 files in their browser

Donny V.

So who is actually working on this chat feature?

There doing an awesome job who ever it is.

Marc Gravell

me and @balpha

with @jin for design

(he gets the credit for it looking great)

Chris S

Which sites do mathurl allow with their hallowed service

Donny V.

Did you guys decide to do this after the 37signals chat session?

hmemcpy

So wait, I have a question: is the chat for meta, or for SO as well?

Marc Gravell

12:57 PM

@Donny - no idea on that; I simply got a new job, "now go write this"...

Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson

@MarcGravell I'm still not a huge fan of the scroll bar being so far away from the content that is being scrolled

Donny V.

Just wondering how it got started.

Marc Gravell

@hmemcpy chat.* for every SOFU/SE (i.e. per-site)

Lasse V. Karlsen

@Justin Especially since it seems to encompass things that doesn't scroll

Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson

@LasseVKarlsen yeah, it feels a little odd

hmemcpy

12:58 PM

@MarcGravell so the 'chat' link provided now with the greasemonkey script, will it be incorporated into the questions?

Computer Guru

Why is chat a child of meta.so and not so?

Donny V.

@MarcGravell Oh

Marc Gravell

this is a chat about meta ;p

Computer Guru

@Marc only because that's how they built it

Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson

@ComputerGuru there will be chat for SO eventually

Lasse V. Karlsen

12:59 PM

So there will be a chat.stackoverflow.com as well?

Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson

chat.stackoverflow.com will exist

Marc Gravell

yes

and chat.noodles.com, etc

Computer Guru

@Justin: thanks. I thought this was for both meta and so, and figured it was rather whack

Lasse V. Karlsen

OOooh, I love talking about noodles!

Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson

@ComputerGuru nope

Donny V.

12:59 PM

Are you using the new html5 sockets to build this?

Marc Gravell

all covered on the blog

Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson

@LasseVKarlsen you better go vote for the noodles SE site then first...

Chris S

$netinput_5 = sum_j=14 W_5jX_j$

Marc Gravell

@Donny - not really, no. jQuery/ajax

Donny V.

@MarcGravell I like the auto lookup for names

@MarcGravell So does the client constantly poll the server?

Nick Craver

1:02 PM

@Donny - open your console :) and yes :)

spoulson

@DonnyV That's what Firebug shows... about every second

Lasse V. Karlsen

@Justin There doesn't appear to be any :(

/me is sad now

Donny V.

My bad ;-)

Chris S

Is there any other way you can do it on the browser

Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson

@LasseVKarlsen haha

spoulson

1:03 PM

CGI:IRC keeps a persistent connection

Not sure how it works on the server side

Donny V.

You could use the html5 socket but then some browsers would be out

Nick Craver

@Donny - which is why you can't use it :) cutting off the majority of the user base isn't an option :)

spoulson

But a persistent connection means the browser will always show the busy animation as if the page were still loading

Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson

@MarcGravell if 10k users are going to be able to act on flags, should the appear slightly different in chat?

similar to how mods look?

Donny V.

So when you start rolling this out to all the sites, thats a lot of polling going on. How are you guys handling the connections on the server?

Nick Craver

1:04 PM

standards are great, but until your audience supports them, they may as well not exist for many applications

Marc Gravell

that is to fix (flag screen)

Chris S

If you'd done it in Silverlight you'd have had hours of pain with the ScrollViewer

rchern

in Chat feedback, 2010-08-05, by Scott Hanselman

I want to reply to a message, by clicking reply, like twitter

Right...that's what we need... more mouse dependence

:p

Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson

@rchern Scott loves his twitter though

Lasse V. Karlsen

@DonnyV Pretty much the same way they handle normal refreshes. Remember, the average SO user probably refreshes more often than this chat polls ;)

Donny V.

1:08 PM

@NickCraver Actually all major browsers support it except IE and Opera.

Nick Craver

@Donny - Stop for a minute, re-read what you just said :)

Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson

@DonnyV So, all the major browsers, besides the most major one...

Nick Craver

IE not supporting it is a huge problem for any major site, that makes the feature unusable

rchern

The more clicking required, the less real-time chat it becomes.

Donny V.

@NickCraver Well it will be supported in IE9

Nick Craver

1:10 PM

@Donny - And that's great, if everyone switched the IE9 was released, but that doesn't happen :)

wds

you could implement it with two different methods

unless you like your sanity

Stephen Denne

IE9's not going to work on XP

Donny V.

@NickCraver Alright there Nicky boy relax...its no biggy

wds

won't XP go EOL next year?

Stephen Denne

no, XP supported forever (more or less)

rchern

1:12 PM

@MarcGravell, why doesn't the Rooms page show all rooms when I click on All?

spoulson

@wds I'm hoping...

@wds With XP RTM and XP SP2 being dropped this year, XP SP3 is coming soon.

Richard

Officially WinXP Home supported until 2014

Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson

@rchern marc left a bit ago

rchern

But if he looks at the catchup page when he returns...

Nick Craver

Just pointing out the issues :) We have to support IE7+ at work...people complain that IE7's bad and that's valid...but how much better is IE8 even? What can you do if everyone switched to IE8? You still can't do something as simple as rounded corners via CSS.

IE9 is a huge step forward for the IE crowd, and I've love if everyone switched, I just know from working in large companies, that'll still take quite a while, XP going EOL on support is what will have more of an impact than anything, and 7 reaching SP1 status, both of these should work wonders on IE's market share numbers, for the older versions.

HTML5, CSS3 = excellent, reality = PITA

Donny V.

1:15 PM

They should push IE9 with the SP1

hmemcpy

Hmm.. I just added twitter username RSS to a chat room, and I saw all posts twice

Andy E's head

@Nick: Maybe we should ask MS what the ETA is on dropping IE8 support ;-)

Nick Craver

@Andy - I would, if I felt anyone that worked on IE8 could count that high

wds

I'm getting a bunch of random slowdowns from join/leaving and typing animation

ff 3.6/ubuntu lucid

Andy E's head

@Donny: SP1 will probably be finished before IE9.

Donny V.

1:18 PM

@NickCraver Trust me I know about large organizations not updating there browsers. I do consulting work with the government and there the worst offenders. I just had someone ask me why our site didn't work with Netscape.

Andy E's head

@Nick: I certainly don't have enough fingers and toes :p

Nick Craver

@Donny - Why doesn't it work with netscape? :)

wds

30% of my users run IE6 :(

Richard

@AndyE'shead MS list the dates at support.microsoft.com/lifecycle

For IE8 checkout Win7 and Win2008R2 dates

Nick Craver

I need to grab the IE9 fourth preview and check

Donny V.

1:19 PM

Microsoft should just switch to auto updates like Chrome.

Nick Craver

If I can't hit the up arrow in the console to get the last command, IE9 fails

Richard

... and then Admins would switch off auto updates for their systems

Donny V.

...and then people will download Chrome. ;-)

Richard

Big organisation => more things to not break, and little incentive to write them to not break

Nick Craver

@Donny - People go to MS for stability, evidence of that is XP is still around, every MS update is blockable, intentionally ;)

Andy E's head

1:21 PM

@Richard: IE6 is 9 years old, but I can see some sites still supporting it in another 5 years time.

Stephen Denne

Rights to Downgrade to XP will continue to 2020, (though presumably the support at that time will be that you can upgrade again) that means you'll continue having large numbers of people on IE < 9

Donny V.

@NickCraver I know.....doesn't mean I have to like it.

Nick Craver

@Stephen, that's not correct, that's someone writing an article that couldn't add :)

Richard

@AndyE'shead exactly... and beyond. there will be people (and orgs) which will run IE6 unsupported

Nick Craver

I'll try and find the correction to that, I saw it a few days ago

Andy E's head

1:22 PM

Everyone knows the millenium bug will hit Windows XP in 5 years time anyway

Stephen Denne

@NickCraver ah - thanks

Nick Craver

This was the source of that rumor: computerworld.com/s/article/9179109/…

Andy E's head

Fortunately I don't have to worry about IE6. But IE7 and 8 are my target browsers and I get really bad feature-envy for other browsers sometimes

But! that being said, I'm really grateful for some IE proprietary stuff that can really make your life easier

Donny V.

@AndyE'shead For a while now I have been adding the css3 rounded corners and just letting IE render them squared. I figure if it doesn't interfere with function then its fine.

Nick Craver

@Stephen here ya go: zdnet.com/blog/bott/…

Andy E's head

1:25 PM

@Donny: Stack Overflow does the same thing.

Donny V.

Just realized you can edit your post....thats awesome!

Nick Craver

@Donny - and that's perfectly fine, so does chat here, but that's not functionality that's the main difference, for example posting a question, voting on comments etc, that works even in IE (and the comments are styles to support IE7). HTML5 sockets would be functionality ;)

Richard

status-lots-of-features-in-chat

Arda Xi

Apparently Windows seems to believe that the chat's new message notifier is VoIP activity

Stephen Denne

@NickCraver seems I was right in my assumption that if you're still using XP in 2020 your support path will be "upgrade!"

Donny V.

1:30 PM

@NickCraver I think you have mixed up like 3 different conversations...so lets just let the winsocket issue go. I'm way passed that now. ;-)

Nick Craver

probably the case, I'm trying to follow, but the IE9 roll-the-dice canvas example is distracting

Andy E's head

I wonder if IE9 will win some market share back for MS

Donny V.

@NickCraver I have to say that Microsoft using the graphics card to speed up canvas was pretty slick.

@AndyE'shead I hope not....whenever they get a lead on anything they ruin it.

Nick Craver

If it's standard, yes I agree it's a good thing, if they go sticking custom IE only methods in (which it first appeared they were doing) it doesn't do anyone any good

Let's hope they stick to the standards :)

Andy E's head

@Nick: at the same time, I hope they don't deprecate all the IE only functions.

Nick Craver

1:34 PM

you'll have to explain that one :) examples of where that's a good thing?

Andy E's head

Like I said, my target browsers are IE7 and IE8. I don't have to worry about other browsers. So, for instance, I get great use out of the mouseenter and mouseleave events.

Nick Craver

up arrow works in IE9 console! there's hope!

@Andy - true, but I'd rather see people move away from that, it's what get companies stuck with only-works-in-ie sites today, would be better if it wasn't locked in

I do think mouseenter/mouseleave should be in the spec though, they are tremendously useful

Stephen Denne

I've created a few hta utilities, in order to make sure users used IE so I could target sideways text support

Andy E's head

@Nick: true. On the other hand I've written things in IE that would have been impossible or much more complicated in other browsers. I only wish I could recall those features now :-)

Donny V.

@StephenDenne HTA!! I have to say that was a useful tech.

Lasse V. Karlsen

1:40 PM

When I go from my work computer to my home computer, if I just close my browser and log on to chat at home, will it "pick up" from where I left or will I be logged in twice here?

Nick Craver

you will appear as one person in chat

Andy E's head

A lot of stuff in the specs are owed to Microsoft proprietary features too, such as CSS text-overflow, javascript's getElementFromPoint, etc

Nick Craver

it's your account not your session that's in chat, i think is a good way of describing it

Lasse V. Karlsen

yep, thanks

Donny V.

@AndyE'shead ...don't forget AJAX!

Andy E's head

1:42 PM

Firefox also has many non-cross browser features (I can't think of another browser that supports E4X as one example)

Can't believe people are bagging on the chat implementation!

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A: IRC access for the chat?

The chat isn't based on IRC, so I think this is unlikely. It would have been possible to build that kind of interface on top of IRC, but I think the team did a very good job of building it from scratch.

Donny V.

Its ashame they don't appreciate it. Marc G. and balpha did an awesome job.

Andy E's head

I can see why people want IRC access (in fact, I agree it makes sense). But I think this is a great example of a chat application.

Donny V.

"Fourth IE9 Platform Preview Available for Developers" blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2010/08/04/…

Arda Xi

to be honest, while I like the interface, it'd be nice to be able to use a client

for example when I'm on my phone

Greg Hewgill

woot

Donny V.

1:50 PM

I think I saw someone talking about this working on there phone....not sure though.

Arda Xi

someone on gaming I think said that it was ridiculously slow on their phone, which I can imagine

I only have a 500 MHz Hero

Greg Hewgill

yay it works, typing this from a hacked-together irc interface now. :)

ACTION whistles innocently

haha

needs some finesse

Andy E's head

@Greg: something you did yourself?

Arda Xi

how will you ever implement /me without changing the chat protocol

Greg Hewgill

yeah, put this together last night and tonight

who knows the irc protocol and python and wants to help?

Stephen Denne

1:54 PM

it's 15 years since I ran an IRC server

Troy

hmm, neat

Andy E's head

It's 10 since I ran one and I remember virtually nothing about it.

Greg Hewgill

this is a program you run on your local machine which acts as an irc server

you connect your client to localhost on its port and away you go

Andy E's head

cool

I mentioned it in my answer here:

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A: IRC access for the chat?

The chat isn't based on IRC, so I think this is unlikely. It would have been possible to build that kind of interface on top of IRC, but I think the team did a very good job of building it from scratch. Greg Hewgill is looking for some help putting together an unofficial IRC interface for the c...

Donny V.

I'm looking at this chat using my Droid Incredible and it works great.

Greg Hewgill

1:59 PM

I'd better put this up on github now, I guess

Stephen Denne

2am - and the evening coffees are no longer enhancing my wakefullness, g'night

rchern

The problem is that there are people who have misconceptions about irc and it ruins it for the rest of us. ):

wds

the problem with IRC is no persistent logs

rchern

A manageable problem.

Greg Hewgill

irc clients handle that just fine

rchern

2:05 PM

And hardly a problem if your connection is always on.

But even if your connection isn't there are simple ways to work around that.

Donny V.

Even though IE9 has hardware accelerated JavaScript, its still in 4th place. blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2010/08/04/…

rchern

I was just getting used to the limitations this chat has over irc...and then it had to go and be blogged, and now there's more people here and those limitations are front and center again.

Lasse V. Karlsen

limitations like ?

rchern

Missing commands/features would be the big one and general more client based than protocol based, but notifications, search functionality, keyboard shortcuts, etc.

Andy E's head

@DonnyV: When the blog mentions hardware acceleration it's referring to page rendering and visual effects, not JavaScript code execution.

rchern

2:11 PM

Easy navigation of history

Andy E's head

@rchern: you can search here. Notifications in IRC are handled by the client anyway. This client is still in beta, if you have a feature request then post it on meta.

rchern

Being able to search and having a lot of search functionality are very different things.

@AndyE'shead, I've been participating since the 3-day beta regarding feedback. (:

Andy E's head

what sort of search functionality is there on IRC? it must have evolved a lot since I was last active on an IRC server :)

rchern

Well, logs are local. I can do whatever I want with them. I can search with regex. I can search specific days, specific channels, ranges of dates, multiple channels at once.

ICR

Logs can get pretty big pretty quickly though

rchern

2:17 PM

I separate by day.

ICR

The volume of logs over time is still big

Andy E's head

I don't know if they're *real* limitations to everyday users on here

I could see why some users might want the advanced features, though. Hopefully your feature requests will be implemented at some point

mquander

i appreciate that it's not cool to have a traditional <mquander> blah blah blah in a textbox kind of chat interface

but somehow that's just a lot easier to read up on than these ichat-style boxes

ICR

So how does chat fit into the StackOverflow world?

Wim Hollebrandse

@ICR That's what I've been asking too

rchern

2:27 PM

@ICR, that's why search functionality is so important.

it isn't so much an irc specific feature, but it is desperately needed.

Wim Hollebrandse

A chat room per question would be good. You could even say, you'd need a participant threshold before the chat room is created.

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@Wim: chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/59760/…

Wim Hollebrandse

Ah - exactemundo.

Great!

Just needs linking into SO.

mquander

why can't i drag my little icon around the userlist at the right

or anyone else's

i would like to organize them by color

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@mquander: I know it's not relevant, I'm just curious: why?

rchern

2:35 PM

They're ordered by activity.

mquander

don't you think it would look nice organized by color? or by category; here are the little IP glyphs on this side, here are some pictures of people's heads, here are abstract ones

i would totally waste my time doing that

rchern

Personally, no.

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@mquander perhaps... but I think it's more useful to see the order of when people entered.

Or, rather, participated.