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10:00 AM
@Roboblob - sure; are you on mobile? If the detection isn't working, just add ?mobile=true
 
cool i will try... no currently im on desktop... just wondered...
well it seems you people thought of everything... good work
 
I like the mix of forum and chat room
 
@KristoferA hey, i know you :P when are you visiting Ezy again? :)
 
hello there world!
 
10:01 AM
is my name still the stupid old one
 
wondering how it will hold up as more users come in
my problem with IRC has always been following so many conversations
 
So no channel services like IRC, Nick sets mode +o ;)
 
what's the ban mechanism then ?
 
There is a UI for that (if you create your own room)
 
Do I need to logout to get the name I've changed to in the user profile
 
10:02 AM
@smihai - be offensive: get banned... is that not what you meant?
 
Is it possible to add links to chat room? For sidebar, etc?
 
@Johan don't know , maybe next time when I'm in Sweden...
 
@I left my body to science - first reenter your body
 
@Ileftmy - it is cached for an hour; try /logout
 
TJB
hey, what are other people doing up so late? i just had a jquery / css / html binge personally...
 
10:03 AM
late... ? depends on the time zone.
 
its 6am on the east coast
 
@Johan ...haven't been to Sweden for years... (2006 or something)
 
Marc, so conversation threading would be great - for example, in my DotNetOpenAuth room, i have added in a couple of feeds. Each post from a feed could be a new conversation thread within the room
 
TJB
oh, i guess that's not feedback on chat, my bad, i'll go banter somewhere else
Its all relative yes
 
10:04 AM
1pm in central europe :)
 
Sorry @MarcGravell last comment was for you
 
TJB
on west coast its 3am
 
@KristoferA Ok :)
 
it would be interesting to show the local time for each user next to the message
 
Scott Hanselman is chatting early in the morning
 
TJB
10:04 AM
Its all relative yes
 
must be 4am over there
 
@David - What is it that you want? we can set each feed up as different users if you like.
 
TJB
@s.mihai ha ha, NOW its chat feedback!
 
well... just sounded like a nice feature to use.
 
@smihai - only your local client knows your timezone. We don't even know that at the server.
 
10:06 AM
well... couldn't you send the local timezone via JS to your server to let them know the time zone... ?
 
@Marc but you can get it from the client...
 
TJB
@s.mihai I second local time display / tooltip for each user! but i'm also very tired so I'm not sure how valued my opinion should be
 
@Marc, Is it possible to add links to chat room? For sidebar, etc? E.g. room specific FAQ
 
One feature that might be nice is to place replies in context, so underneath the original message
 
or, even simpler, based on the user IP calculate the timezone from country and city.
 
10:07 AM
@Ilya - stickies? hmmm... interesting; the description supports links - any use?
 
well... if you place replies in context this might make giant threads...
this is nothing like chat then.
 
Or you could just star them; I'm about to add hyperlink support for the stars
 
TJB
Has anyone had good results getting client time in a web app? I'm just wondering, most people dismiss it as unreliable but i wonder how well it works
 
how abotut a feature to break out a conversation into its' own room? (linked to the reply-to-messages feature)
 
Feedback: can we have the newest reply on top?
 
10:08 AM
@Marc Sorry, I wasn't making a demand - Just thinking of ways to help bring context to conversations in a room. If there was a way to split out the convos (either in a way similar to wave or even tabs)
 
That depends @s.mihai if you're trying to copy the nasty UX of irc :)
 
...so if a specific thread becomes big it can be spun off into a new room (but including all existing messages in that thread...
 
and all chat clients
 
i don't think there will be such elaborate threads for it to request a room of it's own.
 
@TJB I rely on javascript. Print out UTC, and then use JS to show the users' local time.
Nowadays almost everybody has the right time set in their OS
 
10:09 AM
@Marc - Something that jumps out to me is a reply to message - which puts my response under the original post indented.
 
Put it this way; if the times in chat are right, it is working ;p The time we get from the server is UTC. We also fix-up the transcript links at the client, adding the offset to the query-string.
in Chat feedback, 2010-08-05, by David Christiansen
@Marc - Something that jumps out to me is a reply to message - which puts my response under the original post indented.
a bit like that then. I think we already captured that via Scott
 
@MarcGravell, well I'd like to see links below the user's list
 
TJB
@Gidon thanx!
@Marc did you seriously just add the star right now?
 
what star? (there are several)
 
TJB
10:11 AM
@Marc oh nevermind, I thought you were talking about adding the 'star' link in the actions menu right now, but i probably just hadn't seen it before.
@Gidon oh thanx, also from a reliable source (jquery validation), that's always good
 
ماذا سيحدث لو كنت اكتب بعض النص من اليمين إلى اليسار؟
A "translate" link to/from all "illegal alien" languages would be cool.
 
@KristoferA Does that include for American to English? :-)
 
@Marc, alternative idea for side links - add "Moderator star", which will allow moderator to star own message and put it in the list of starred messages, permanently
 
so... a sticky
 
@Richard yes, if the englishman that typed or view the message is an illegal alien. there must be a jquery script somewhere to detect that...(?)
 
10:16 AM
@KristoferA , SO and so on is English so that everybody understands. Adding translate would change the identity of SO.
 
@MarcGravell yep, something like that.
@MarcGravell, also, will "chat" give rep for each message starred by people? :) Similar to upvotes to answers? :)
 
As long as I can add "read the FAQ", I'm all in favor ;p And I can do that without a schema change... I might knock it up and see how it looks
 
@Gidon ah, but not everybody understands English good enough and rely on e.g. google translate. So a quick-link (optional to turn on/off in user-settings) would be neat for all those users..
 
dbr
Metametameta-chat
\o/
 
@MarcGravell, trying to star own message from the starred list gives ugly "forbidden" banner. Shouldn't star be disabled for me in that list?
 
10:19 AM
hmmm; it should already have known that you couldn't do that; I'll look
hyperlink of regular stars in RHS sorted
 
re. languages: the SO ppl can probably dig out from their web server logs how many SO users rely on google translate to read (and post) questions... probably not an insignificant number...
 
I can flag my own post for moderator?
 
Yes; like you can on SO too. Sometimes a mod flag is for assistance - not just to complain about a specific message.
 
edit/delete own messages within say... 30 seconds... from posting it would also be neat... cool..
 
you can; 2 minutes
press up
 
10:24 AM
What do the horizontal line breaks signify?
 
@Furis Last time you looked at the window
 
(facepalm) honestly, it is in the FAQ ;p it means "you probably haven't read this yet; you were somewhere else"
 
Nick, then it doesn't work.
 
Works for me
 
I was off page when I heard the sound for your message and then came back.
Hang on.
send a message in about 10 seconds.
 
10:26 AM
about 10 seconds
 
Fair enough. I missed the faq bit. Cam directly here from a twitter post about it.
 
in about 10 seconds
 
No line between mine and Marcs.
Does it not appear if you were the last message?
 
@Marc: How is the "probably haven't read" determined? It seems a little hit and miss here, but that could be my expectations.
 
Marc tests it
and again
 
10:27 AM
works for me...
 
Hmm.
 
browser?
 
Chrome.
Let me check the version.
 
dbr
@Richard it's based on when the window was last active, presumable?
*presumably
 
Hmm. Wait a sec.
Send moer messages.
 
10:28 AM
@dbr You can edit your posts, just press the Up-key on your keyboard
 
Def works in Chrome if you change tabs.
 
dbr
@LasseVKarlsen Ah, so you can \o/
 
For mine, it goes ABOVE mine.
 
@dbr: that's what I was thinking, but "active" could mean different things (e.g. application vs. tab focus)
@dbr use up arrow from the message edit box to edit last message
 
@Marc - I've only just noticed the "other rooms you're in" section (under the avatars on the right) when you're in more than one room and the message updates there! That is so cool.
 
10:29 AM
So if I send a message, leave, and then come back, the rule is above my message instead of below.
Kind of confusing, since by sending my message, I know I've read it.
 
@Thomas - OK; I'll add that to the list
 
Time to have some coffee...it looks like I need it. And then, work, of course. Good luck all - still loving the chat. Can't wait for it to go to SO and the rest of the sites.
 
@MarcGravell, need "share it" button to send short link to chat room to twitter, etc
@MarcGravell, also I'd like to see transcript of just messages starred by me
 
testing testing 1 2 3
 
Just the ones you have starred - essentially as a todo list? Actually, that is exactly how I use stars, so that is a brilliant idea. On it right now.
Then I can see the things I cared about in the feedback ;p
 
10:34 AM
yep :)
 
> What is right is not always popular and what is popular is not always right.
etc
 
Hmm, I still feel that when hovering over message, two direct icon-links should be shown on the right side of message rect - reply, and star
 
and link ;p
and reply ;p
 
current drop-down menu is not very usable
I believe, link should be still in submenu, not so often operation
but the submenu icon should be the last one in the same group, i.e. like "more..." button
 
@IlyaRyzhenkov probably a good idea, otherwise we'll see too many stars and make them useless.
 
10:40 AM
';-- sql injection anyone? :)
 
@Ilya yes, good idea... '; update chat_messages set message_text='does this thing use Microsoft.Data?';--
 
@MarcGravell, I would say that joining of messages from the same user could be a bit more smart. E.g. if some time passed between last message and current message, do not join. And vice versa, if messages from one user come at a fast rate, join them regardless of the fact that there were message from other users.
Some people
like to chat
in short sequences
like this
heh :) >> like this - You can perform this action again in 0 seconds - retry / cancel
 
well, we do the first bit; but not the second.
 
you can
force it to
 
break bubbles with "---"
 
10:45 AM
but shouldn't it hide "---" then?
e.g. other users shouldn't see it
 
shhhh! ;p
yes, it should
and it does on the transcript version
 
ok, off to lunch... where do I set my "away message" ? :)
 
just testing the star tweak...
 
DOES IT BLOCK SHOUTING? THAT CAN BE REALLY ANNOYING... ...i guess not... :)
 
NO BUT IT LETS YOU SHOUT BACK, SO WIN
 
10:48 AM
¿pǝbɐɹnoɔsıp ɹo pǝbɐɹnoɔuǝ - ʇxǝʇ uʍop ǝpısdn ʇnoqɐ ʍoɥ
 
It seems pretty good at Unicode coverage...
 
sure ◎ܫ◎
 
did unicode support require extra work? I'm a PHP dev :(
 
̡͌l̡̡̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡̡͡|̲̲̲͡͡͡ ̲▫̲͡ ̲̲̲͡͡π̲̲͡͡ ̲̲͡▫̲̲͡͡ ̲|̡̡̡ ̡ ̴̡ı̴̡̡ ̡͌l̡
 
status-i18n
 
10:54 AM
@Marc i like the animated users panel list, pretty cool..does it scale with a lot of users?
 
@Liam: often these days, it is a matter of not making assumptions
 
How many lines does this support
















































































quite a few
scunthorpe
 
ICR
@ChrisS lots
 
But at least you get a local scrolbar
Rather than a blank screen
 
no rude word blocker either..which is nice
 
10:56 AM
@systempuntoout - it'll be fun finding out ;p
 
At least not a highly simplistic one... "Scunthorpe" is a well know test case in the UK
 
@Liam - not really, it just works. Most of the time
 
that's what I put it in for :)
 
as is "Chardonnay"
 
10:56 AM
you can be rude without swearing, and most blockers are easily avoided. Not worth it, IMO
 
that's right @Marc
 
Hi all!
 
chardonnay?
 
err i mean good morning, or evening, depending on location
 
ICR
Indeed. It's better policed as a cultural thing rather than enforced by a dodgy algorithm
 
10:57 AM
Agreed, filters just encourage more inventive spelling
 
ICR
@ChrisS cHARDONnay
I would expect, anyway
 
" I want to stick my long-necked Giraffe up your fluffy white bunny"..ops
 
oh
 
Cool watching people fly in and out
 
11:03 AM
@IlyaRyzhenkov - that feature now available via "info"
 
Ok so this is the 'rough and ready' chat room where we all test out the chat feature right?
 
no; this is for feedback
there is a sandbox for that ;p
 
Ah-ha ... Where is the sandbox?
 
in fact there are 2
Sandbox - Just a playground to try out the features of this chat.
Sandbox - Playing around with formatting
 
@Marc Thank Marc. I'm sure I'll be back here later :)
 
11:08 AM
the usual SO formatting features, e.g. code block etc would be neat... if posting a code snippet...

public class Blah
{
public Blah()
{
}
}
...with indentation and the like...
 
use four character indent
 
int main () {
    return 0;
}
 
yes, that works on SO, but not here...
public class Test
{
//comment
public string Foo { get; set; }
}
...at least not for me...
@DreasGrech how did you do that?
 
use 4 character indent, like Greg said
 
four character indent don't work for me. (four leading spaces?)
 
11:11 AM
> I like the domain name ... if it was a preview, maybe preview.chat.meta.stackoverflow.com :D
 
var test = function () {
    return 0;
};
 
KristoferA, yes, just like on SO answers
 
code indent seems to work sometimes...
 
var withoutIndent = function () {
return 0;
};
 
it works all the time, but u need to have 4 spaces on each line
 
11:13 AM
function test() {
 
public static void ColorMeBad(this Color color)
{

}
 
but if I start with some text...

and then do code indent below it...

...then it seem to be ignored...
 
you need to start with four spaces
 
it worked for me; syntax isn't highlighted though
 
ok. got it. so text and code just need to be in their own separate messages.
 
11:13 AM
var foo = bar;
 
if combined in the same message it is treated as text
 
@KristoferA or press ctrl+k, or click the button to turn it into code
use shift+enter to do multiline, btw
 
@MarcGravell thanks for stars!
 
is that what you were after?
 
pretty much, though I'd add this to transcript feature as well
 
11:18 AM
can you crowbow a scrolling marquee into the page
 
needs more <blink>...
 
undo (ctrl-z) does not work correctly with shift-enter or ctrl-k
 
@Marc: Tempted to flag as offensive.
 
seems fine (on my browser) vs shift-enter; for ctrl-k, just ctrl-k it again ;p
 
Can we please refer to rooms with #? e.g. #c#
 
11:22 AM
or tag messages
#protest #condems #cuts
 
status-tagging-like-this
 
ok, refer to tags with # and refer to rooms with %
 
@IlyaRyzhenkov this is how tags are use in e.g. search [tag-name]
 
[C#]
#csharp
how do you make a tag?
 
status-like-this
 
11:26 AM
the tag only applies (as an easter-egg) for [status-*]
 
C# - General discussion about all things C#
 
it was originally added as part of a joke, to see who would notice
status-declined
 
will urls become [clickable]links automagically? stackoverflow.com ah, yes, they do. cool
 
first
 
11:27 AM
@marcg will the tags become part of the chat in the future?
 
well, what do you want them to do?
 
will the asp.mvc become link? :)
or alt.net?
 
I'm probably just bad at searching, but who can create new chat rooms? And how?
 
@MarcGravell the tags could be clickable filters so you'll only see the messages with that tag...?
@DH there's a "create room" button on the "more rooms" page
 
@marcg for example [tag-name] becomes visually different and links to somewhere (to main site/or make a search for searching tag usages from chat messages). But that doesn't sound as usable as tags on main site
 
11:30 AM
@KristoferA, that's weird, I don't see it, where is it located?
 
@DH in the upper right corner... (you have to close the "20 points" banner first if that one is visible - it covers that button)
 
@KristoferA We are talking about this page, right? chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/rooms
 
@D.H. FAQ update on the way...
 
@marcg or they could be a shorthand for linking a tag page on main site ( stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/recursion ) "Yo dude, check the [recursion] -tag for help"
 
@DH, just above the tabs
 
11:32 AM
ok, see you all later
 
@Benjol Nope, nothing there for me
@MarcGravell Thanks. Waiting. :)
 
@Marc is FAQ update going to fix "proferences"?
 
er, yes. Pulls big lever again...
 
ah they moved the stackexchange icon on SO since last night
 
(just checking on the dev server...)
 
11:34 AM
looks much better imo
 
@Nick: yeah it does :-) the stackexchange.com site looks awesome too
 
@Nick I agree, extending the background all the way across looks nicer
 
oh hey a new stackexchange.com
someone's been busy
 
indeed
 
@Marc One little interface tweak to add to your todos: in the mobile iPhone interface, I can scroll side to side. Side scrolling should be locked, only up and down.
 
11:37 AM
Can someone confirm this before I stick it on meta for waffles? odata.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/…
 
Other than that, you guys have done a great job
 
when you change per page (at the very bottom) on odata, then page, it loses the page count
 
@D.H. - that update is there now; basically, you need 100 rep
or, talk nicely to someone who does have the rep, and they can create it for you
the idea is to stop proliferation of zero-value rooms
 
"If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?" is a philosophical riddle that raises questions regarding observation and knowledge of reality. History Philosopher George Berkeley, in his work, A Treatise Concerning the Principles of Human Knowledge, proposes, "But, say you, surely there is nothing easier than for me to imagine trees, for instance, in a park [. . .] and nobody by to perceive them. [...] The objects of sense exist only when they are perceived; the trees therefore are in the garden [. . .] no longer than while there is somebody by to ...
 
@Nick: not sure what you mean - I changed to 50 per page and then clicked page 3, it still shows 7 pages
 
11:40 AM
50's the default ;)
 
If there's nobody in the room, will feeds generate traffic?
 
@Lasse - yes, but it doesn't mark the room as active
 
try 100
 
@Nick it's not on my cookies, but I'll check again :-)
 
11:40 AM
so if I leave a C# tag feed active in the room, and everyone leave it, it will still fill the transcript with new questions
 
yes. Although we might look at stopping feeds if the room isn't visited (as a future item)
 
@Nick: repro'd. It needs to store the &pagesize var.
 
thanks :) posting on meta in a min then
 
add the link here when you've posted on meta and I'll +1
 
hello world
 
11:46 AM
1
Q: Data Explorer Paging Bug - Changing Per-Page

Nick CraverI need to qualify this as not being a dupe of this question, well actually it is...but for Data Explorer not SO like the original. When you change Questions per page, say 100 you land at a URL like this: http://odata.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/queries?order_by=popular&pagesize=100 ...

had a gammar error before ;)
 
+1
I think I ran into that bug before, back when odata was on a different domain
 
Is it OK to create a chat room for discussing a certain Area51 proposal?
 
my main problem with odata isn't with the site itself, it's azure's uptime
 
Absolutely! But check that one doesn't exist first. Use the "filter" box for example
 
the uptime they've given sam is nowhere near the 99.7% SLA
 
11:48 AM
@Nick: it's an ongoing issue
6
Q: Is odata.stackexchange.com down for everyone, or just me?

Andy E's headIt's been completely dead for me this morning. I thought there was a mirror site but I can't remember what it is. Reported down at 10:20. Reported up at 11:20. List of outages (all times are UTC): July 12th: 10:20 - 11:20. July 15th: 17:30 - unknown. July 22nd: 12:30 - unknown ...

 
Oh I know, I run into it once a week it seems, I don't understand how Microsoft expects to keep any customers with uptime worse than twitter...
 
Note: long term, every SE site (once a site, not a proposal) would have a chat.* anyway.
 
@MarcGravell Cool. Now, since I don't have the reputation necessary to do that, I would love it if someone could create a chat room for the poker proposal for me.
 
will do... 2 seconds
 
status-eating-a-curry
 
SO never ceases to amaze me. Yesterday, I spent over an hour on an answer (would have been much less if I hadn't run into a stupid innerHTML bug) which I thought was good, the OP had problems so I've been following it up this morning. It got 1 upvote. Today, I answered a jQuery question in 30 seconds and it got 9 upvotes within an hour. It's not even funny.
 
@Marc - this is a bit of a very useless feature but... any chances the feed users will get stats? :)
 
@AndyE'shead Remember that the chance of someone else reading, understanding, and thus upvoting your question is inversely proportional to the size and/or amount of work you put into your answer :)
 
@Nick - what stats are you after?
 
11:55 AM
If you spend 10 minutes composing a killer answer, most likely a minimal answer has 16 upvotes and been accepted by the time you post it
 
@Lasse: I know, but the good answers get buried by the simple ones :-)
 
just the profile ones, for example: chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/users/-9/c
I'm not sure how the feed users are stored, not really a bug since they're not users, just might be interesting on some feeds
 
ah right; let me look
 
@ChrisS: IE9 is looking very promising. Let's just hope they don't bail out half way through the improvements like with IE8
 
@AndyE'shead I find it funny how they stick IE8 on there, and it's only 1 year old
presumbly 90% of the code is the same
 
11:57 AM
@ChrisS: I only wish they'd cared this much when they were working on IE7, which is unfortunately one of my target browsers (I don't have to worry about IE6)
@ChrisS: the JavaScript engine is supposedly a complete rewrite. They previously used the JScript engine, now they use Chakra.
 

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