Chat feedback

Nick Craver

10:00 PM

or if you have access to the dump and can add a property ;)

mmyers

At this rate, you'll hit 1k in about... 45 seconds. @Nick

Chacha102

Ask @balpha

oh wait

he is on vacation

Nick Craver

i'm not sure how "locked-in" the dump is, since there are importers, not sure how many break when there are changes, or if they look for properties and ignore others as much xml things do, and it works fine

Chacha102

Ask @JeffAtwood to order his minions around

Nick Craver

balpha was around earlier, he's in germany though iirc

probly sleeping, or out and about for the night :)

Jeff Atwood

10:02 PM

yeah it's like 11 pm - 12 am in Europe. Try again in 8 ish hours

mmyers

Slacker

Chacha102

(See, you say Jeff's name and he magically appears!)

Nick Craver

@Jeff - is he the main data-dump coder?

Chacha102

I love how everyone in this room up voted Nick's question.

Nick Craver

haha, i just refreshed it, 1 rep point away from seeing up/down votes!

Chacha102

10:04 PM

hah!

take that!

Nick Craver

awww

Chacha102

I reversed it

Wanted to make sure it wasn't locked in as a downvote

Nick Craver

woo hoo, 1 point away!

<3 i can see the downvote split!

mmyers

Now we wait for the serial-upvoting script to take away all of @Nick's new-found points.

Nick Craver

i don't care though, see i can go around and click all those posts i wondered about, how controversial they were up/down. strip my votes at 8pm, my curiosity will be satisfied by then! :)

Jeff Atwood

10:16 PM

this isn't "chat feedback" chat, guys. Just sayin'.

Chacha102

Why are you bringing me down @Jeff, Why are you bringing me down? DON'T BRING ME DOWN!

Shog9

So as you can clearly no longer see, slugs have no need of tongues, as they have sensory tentacles

mmyers

Hey, I left some chat feedback. Check at 16:58 (or I suppose that would be 14:58 to you). @Jeff

Jeff Atwood

I'm adding "please try to stay roughly on topic for the room" to the /faq

Chacha102

but that isn't a frequently asked question

no one has asked that yet...

Shog9

10:19 PM

Wait a minute - THIS ISN'T DRAGONDUCKS

Why am I here?

Chacha102

I don't know..

Shog9

Where is that beautiful house?

Chacha102

Because Weblog turned on his Music Spammer?

Shog9

I was reading about slugs, and annoying Welbog. Now I'm looking at a YouTube link. This is confusing and frustrating.

Jeff Atwood

@mmyers there's no revision history for chat messages that I know of.. we do have the edited icon

Chacha102

10:22 PM

@Jeff there is a history link..

@Jeff Yep, here it is: chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/messages/37603/history

Jeff Atwood

wow, didn't even know

mmyers

It's even there for deleted messages, at least for me.

Chacha102

I see your development team is getting ahead of you

Nick Craver

Awww it's Wednesday: odata.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/q/8934

mmyers

More feedback: If you edit someone else's message to refer to yourself, it does indeed cause your avatar to bounce.

Chacha102

10:24 PM

Tuesday is a close second..

Shog9

@mmyers: I don't believe you.

Chacha102

How much rep do I have to get to be able to edit someone else's message?

Nick Craver

i think you need a diamond on the end

Chacha102

AHHHH! TROGGY!!!

Troggy

yes, burnination has arrived.

Shog9

10:28 PM

status-burnination

Troggy

Hmm, I just realized what time it was. I have a meeting in two minutes.

Now I sound like Welbog.

... and I am going to miss all the fun.

I'll be back.

Shog9

the fun will be over by then

all the best stuff happens when you're in a meeting

that's just how meetings work

mmyers

@Shog9: Want me to repost your deleted messages from DRAGONDUCKS? ...No, I don't want me to do that.

Shog9

i have deleted messages?

GIMME!

Feature Request: allow me to annoy Welbog with suitably gaudy Area51 links

area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/15521/cheese

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ not suitably gaudy

Marc Gravell

10:43 PM

Last time I asked (and I did ;p) there was no API for Area51 ;(

Chacha102

@MarcGravell You have it a little backwards

I would think that leave all would mean it would remember any channels

and just closing the browser window would cause it to remember next time I opened

Marc Gravell

we are picking up from meta now, yes?

Chacha102

yes

The remembering, at least as I envisioned it, would be for times when I didn't explicitly say that I wanted to close all the rooms

Marc Gravell

Ah, ok. That would require a little more work - at the moment there is a job that detects people who aren't really in a room any more and boots them.

Chacha102

ah

The rejoin favorites might be the best bet then

Marc Gravell

10:46 PM

We don't currently distinguish between "left voluntarily" and "kicked for inactivity"

Chacha102

ah. So no different between clicking leave and just closing the window

difference*

Marc Gravell

it is certainly the option we can do "now" rather than in 6-8 weeks.

Chacha102

yeah

Marc Gravell

(I say "now"... I mean after some sleep)

Chacha102

of course

Marc Gravell

10:47 PM

There is a difference; if you click leave the other people get to see you leave. Which is actually quite useful.

Chacha102

ah

Marc Gravell

Or rather, they get to see sooner.

so not a big difference.

Chacha102

I'd almost think that, in the future, there could be next to the favorite button an autojoin button

that could toggle autojoin on/off

Marc Gravell

When it is busy (I'm thinking of the 3-day trial) it is not uncommon to see 4,5 etc people leave at once - that is the job noticing people.

Chacha102

ah

Shog9

10:49 PM

where is the RAGEQUIT button going to sit?

Marc Gravell

No need; just throw your laptop out the window. Done.

Chacha102

I just think that I have some rooms that I normally join, and it would be easier to just have that automatic

then in a few months I can start to hound you guys about making a chat client that is cross-site

so I can easily chat and switch between rooms on any domain

But, so far the chat is very awesome

few timeouts, but overall very awesome

just needs more people

Marc Gravell

That is pretty much how I use it to. Actually, thinking about it maybe there is somewhere I can put that in here - near the "other rooms you're in", because we need to be in a room for it to work

Re timeouts - a quick F5 experiment suggests that we still have a minor glitch with server configuration. That should be resolved soon.

Chacha102

another quick suggestion would be to have a drop down list somewhere that gave you a list of all of the rooms your in. Especially because sometimes the "other rooms you're in" widget can't fit them all

Marc Gravell

maybe, maybe. Actually, we might have gained some space there...

Chacha102

10:54 PM

hmm?

Marc Gravell

there is a panel (that you can't see), for moderation purposes (flagged posts etc); I think the plan is to relocate that, making a bit more space for starred messages and other rooms.

Primarily starred messages.

Chacha102

Is there a max number of rooms you can be in?

And might a fix to that be to tab the favorites area?

One tab for favorites, another for mod messages

Marc Gravell

No hard limit

Chacha102

(I'm assuming that the mod messages looks like the favorites widget)

Marc Gravell

We have another UI design for that. By which I mean "it is in hand"; actually it is currently a lot like the "favorites" panel. But that'll change soon.

Chacha102

10:56 PM

ah

yeah, cause right now there is a nice gap between the bottom and the end of the favorites window

Possibly make those bigger if the screen is higher?

Marc Gravell

not for me ;p of course, I'm on a small laptop w/o monitor at this moment...

Chacha102

So that my big 24-inch monitor's space is effectively used?

Marc Gravell

we're on it! really!

(or will be, tomorrow)

Chacha102

I know! This is the Chat feedback channel so I'm giving feedback

Marc Gravell

;p

Chacha102

10:58 PM

I'm just throwing out as many ideas as I can think of

Marc Gravell

Thanks; it is valued.

Chacha102

Would be nice if it wasn't military time..

Marc Gravell

huh? time should be localized...

Chacha102

it is

but 24-hour not 12

mine shows 15:59

Marc Gravell

oh right; you mean 24 hour

Chacha102

10:59 PM

right, military time

or, I know it as military time

Marc Gravell

Right or wrong, but by "military" I always think "zulu" (UTC) as well as 24-hour.

Chacha102

ah

Nick Craver

zulu = cool name

Chacha102

Yeah, 3:59p or 3:59pm would probably be nicer than 15:59. Less calculations

Nick Craver

@marc shouldn't you be sleeping? isn't it whatever zulu there?

Marc Gravell

11:01 PM

Yes I should; and no, it isn't zulu here ;p BST=GMT+1

A common myth is that SO runs on Jon Skeet time. Actually, the servers are wrong for half the year, when Jon Skeet goes forward an hour and the servers fail to adjust.

Chacha102

sweet, I can hide/ignore you!

Or more importantly Evan..

How often does the feeds thing update?

Marc Gravell

I'd be interested in opinions on the time format, but 24-hour just seemed the obvious choice. That said, it is slightly odd (IMO) to be "h:mm", not "hh:mm" ;p

Chacha102

How is it the obvious choice? It is currently the only thing I have seen all day that considers 3pm to be 15:00

Marc Gravell

Feeds: You know what? I don't honestly know. I handed control of that job to Jeff this morning...

I'm confused; where is 3pm getting confused with 16:00?

Chacha102

Updated.

Marc Gravell

11:07 PM

makes more sense now. Gotta love globals; I don't have any clocks that show me am/pm. Anywhere.

Nick Craver

I think it "feels" off because of the normal SO format being so different, "xx minutes ago" for example

Marc Gravell

IIRC that approach felt a lot harder to understand in a constantly updating chat world. OK in the largely static SO world, though.

Chacha102

SO actually does 24-hour time for really old stuff...

but then again, no one cares about time when something is that far back

Marc Gravell

We use the same code - see the starred posts.

Nick Craver

I agree that doesn't fit here either, just the reason it feels different/off

Chacha102

11:09 PM

even the same name :)

'favorites'

Marc Gravell

That is scheduled for change ;p

Chacha102

to?

I like it because it is a lot like Hacker New's upvotes

Marc Gravell

"starred"

Chacha102

when someone makes a good point, it deserves to be recognized

Marc Gravell

Oddly enough, I believe that was what it was called in the first build. Gotta love progress.

Chacha102

11:10 PM

why don't you just say "Great Messages"...?

it instantly conveys the idea

and then if you put a star icon next to it, people will get it

Marc Gravell

that is also what we currently say on the action menu

@Jeff - thoughts on that? Still happy with "starred"?

Chacha102

Jeff was talking in the Dragon Ducks room a few minutes ago

BTW, I love the other rooms you're in feature

Jeff Atwood

starred is fine

the meaning is up to the user

Marc Gravell

@Chacha - easy to track multiple rooms; just watch for when you turn blue and your head starts bobbing up and down. Wait - or is that swimming in strong currents? One or the other...

Cheers; starred it is then.

Chacha102

@Marc I just like being able to view when people say stuff in other rooms

And if I'm interested in the conversation I can pop in

Shog9

11:14 PM

star == self-absorbed

Marc Gravell

@Chacha exactly

Chacha102

@Marc, kind of like a preview of the chat without having to go in

Marc Gravell