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@Zoethe1337Princess what?

Oh, you referred to my reply to Sonic.... well over time there will be enough, it's only matter of time. Upside of a small country is that it doesn't take much to get enough vaccines... :)

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@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard meh, that's not directly the problem

My country has 5 million people, which is 4 million less than Israel. Any countries that band together to form vaccine cooperations generally get stuck with few vaccines

Like, for scale, the US has vaccinated 195 million

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The EU, assuming I've understood this article correctly (EU numbers as an entirety are generally vague and I'm not doing more math than I have to), the entire EU vaccine cooperation thingy has administered 120 million doses (note: doses, not people)

Also derped about half way into that message: the number source is covid19-vaccine-report.ecdc.europa.eu

Of course, the fun is just starting now that J&J failed to deliver and AstraZeneca may stop being used

All the optimistic scenarios relied on J&J and AZ working out

And of course, none of the plans account for what'll happen if the south-african strain (or whatever, I've forgotten) breaks through the vaccines, or if long-term immunity doesn't work out

AZ failing means, at least for my country, that the completion date is shifted by a month (ish - "a few weeks", also estimated to 3, so rounding to a month). That's assuming only AZ fails. There's also a relatively decent chance we're gonna copy Denmark again and just stop using it

Some sauce on J&J: drop from 310000 vaccines to 52000 in April: translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://… (not sure how well that aged, because...)

The US pausing J&J can delay the vaccine program by months: translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://…

I cannot take another half year of lockdown and restrictions. My mental health has already been crashing and burning for a few months as it is

Ngl, I'm not a fan of China, but there's one thing they did right: mass testing. Every single country relying on infection tracking is several steps behind every single time there's a new outbreak. Seems the focus on the vaccine was so high that test development just stopped when there were some slow pieces of shit that did the job

NTNU (fairly big norwegian university) had a test available last year, but that wasn't rolled out because the government essentially went "new test scawwy". They did their own tests, and now they're rolling it out in certain areas. Involves spit, is done in 15 minutes, and is so much more efficient at dealing with asymptomatic cases (which was estimated to 50% last I checked) than after the fact infection tracking

Mass-testing strats aren't new either: translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://…

They just haven't been adopted for some reason I cannot comprehend

The downside to the "record-time vaccine" in the middle of a pandemic is that they don't have the chance to do extensive testing. The question of how long people can be immune to covid still isn't answered AFAIK, but some studies indicates it starts to wear off after 5-6 months (that was admittedly natural and studies from August-ish last year). I don't think we know how good the vaccines are wrt. long-term effect. They work in the studies, but if it starts wearing off after, say, 6 months,

that means countries are gonna see a resurgence in May-June if they haven't vaccinated everyone, taken measures to prevent imported infection (... or whatever the fancy english term for that is - lit. translation, ish), and made sure to block it. Social distancing is still the most effective measure, but it's only effective if you're also able to isolate the infected

That's part of why smart testing could've ended or at least reduced the impact substantially earlier

That's massively derailed though

Imma go back into hiding :eyes:

@Zoethe1337Princess If you want to get more depressed, I can tell you about my vaccine adventures :P

I'm basically on the bottom of every single list

I've got a BMI of >40, so my bad life choices mean I can cut in line.

Except the list of people people blame when there's a new wave. Students in general are a prime target for blame in spite of doing nothing

But, in order to cut in line, your doctor needs to know that you have a BMI >40

oof though

I basically postponed calling my doctor and mentioning this while the whole AstraZeneca mess was going on. Now that they've decided to not give that to <60 year-olds, I decided 'why not'.

^^"

So, this morning I called my doctor, stuttered my way through an awkward conversation, got told 'we'll call you back', I'd have to ask what's possible.

Got a call back: Please call the GGD (municipal health care service is the closest translation I can think of) at this 0800 number

Called that number, waited for >10 minutes before I got a guy on the phone "Yeah, you'll either have to wait until your age group gets vaccinated, OR your doctor has to invite you"

K, bye, I'll call the doctor again. Mention the choices (wait or get an invite), got asked which of the two I'd like... confess I'd rather have one now, even though it feels like cutting in line. Doctor's assistant says 'Well then I'm going to ask my colleague that knows a lot about these things to see what can be done, we call you back'

Got a call back shortly after: Good news, you can come by to pick up an invite.

So, late afternoon, walk to doctor, get papers, go home (it's less than 10 minutes of walking).

Get home, take a look at the papers... notice that they are an invite to get vaccinated at the doctor's office, with AstraZeneca.

Call back, as I was told I needed an invite to be vaccinated at the GGD's vaccination site. Different kind of papers.

Assistant says 'No, call the number on those papers'. It's the same 0800 number I called this morning, you sure? Yeah, call it!

Another 10 minutes of waiting, get another guy on the phone (he sounded much older than the first one though).

Explain my day to him, what the doctor told me etc.

"Okay, so first off, you're not calling with any official GGD office, just a callcenter guy. Now that we've got that out of the way, the invites you're supposed to have gotten were sent nationally, and they're already being delivered to people as we speak this weekend. BTW if you want a vaccine, you need to have made an appointment by Monday. But, your doctor should have a supersecret number for professionals only, which they can call and they can say they need an extra person vaccinated"

"I'm going to check if this is what's supposed to be done for you, and then I'll get back to you". Another 15 minutes of waiting, I get confirmation I need to call the doctor's office again.

So, called them at 10 minutes to 5, at the end of their workday, mentioned what the guy told me, get told 'Oh, I don't know anything about such a number. I'll ask my coworker again, we'll call you back tomorrow'.

Oof!

That's pretty shitty though

b.) Those invites that were sent automatically? They were sent to the <60s in high-risk groups that no longer get AstraZeneca after it was recommended to no longer use it last week (or was it the week before that?), in regions where doctors haven't vaccinated any <60s high risk people.

And f-ing no single call center person, nor my doctor's assistants, apparently know this info and could've told me "Based on your location, you're out of luck".

@Zoethe1337Princess Yeah, after the Googling I'm feeling kinda angry, but also... Well, who knows what they'll come up with tomorrow XD

So, there you have it :P The story that kept me away from work for at least 2,5 hours today ;)

Someone sent me this gem on Discord: cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/809850465537884170/…

Basically my government in a nutshell (and I'm not canadian :') )

Yeah, I think that suits the Dutch one as well :)

Especially when it comes to vaccines, vaccine schedules, and reopenings ;)

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