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KennyBOT

1:48 AM

~ Echo ... E c h o ...... E c h o .....

KennyBOT

5:49 AM

~ What is this? Weekend?

Petəíŕd The Linux Wizard

7:52 AM

yo, I have a number encrypting algorithm.

Tinkeringbell

8:38 AM

Okay. Please encrypt the following for me: 1

Petəíŕd The Linux Wizard

@Tinkeringbell w

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@PetəíŕdTheLinuxWizard sha (?)

Petəíŕd The Linux Wizard

lol

(didn't see your message earlier, please don't be annoyed)

Tinkeringbell

8:58 AM

no worries

I'm always annoyed, so don't take it personally :P

KennyBOT

9:58 AM

~ Not everything is star-worthy...

SPArcheon

pinned Zoe message for self reference.

@Zoeisonstrike and obviously no mention of it here, I see...

KennyBOT

11:05 AM

~ The Water Magician

KennyBOT

11:23 AM

~ Stars get removed under peer-pressure?

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

@SPArcheon nope, I pinned it. ;)

@Zoeisonstrike yeah, when critical mass of active users leave, without new users to replace them.

I also believe SE can survive few years without any mods at all, it will just be piled with spam, but new users don't really mind, they just want answers.

KennyBOT

12:25 PM

~ Blood of the Shaman

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

@KennyBOT ouch

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@ShadowWizardLoveZelda rope (?)

KennyBOT

@ShadowWizardLoveZelda hurt

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

@KennyBOT heart

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@ShadowWizardLoveZelda dizziness (?)

KennyBOT

12:29 PM

@ShadowWizardLoveZelda pump

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

@KennyBOT dump

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@ShadowWizardLoveZelda dumped (?)

KennyBOT

@ShadowWizardLoveZelda hump

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

@KennyBOT dry

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@ShadowWizardLoveZelda evaporation (?)

KennyBOT

12:29 PM

@ShadowWizardLoveZelda desert

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

@KennyBOT Sahara

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@ShadowWizardLoveZelda moroccan (?)

KennyBOT

@ShadowWizardLoveZelda dessert

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

lol

Petəíŕd The Linux Wizard

@KennyBOT lol אטפם

oops

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

12:30 PM

ha, it actually exists. :D

@PetəíŕdTheLinuxWizard םםפד

!!פקק

KennyBOT

~ Maybe lookup my instructions?

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

@KennyBOT no

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@ShadowWizardLoveZelda pack (?)

KennyBOT

@ShadowWizardLoveZelda out of words ...

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

@FOX9000 large

FOX 9000

12:33 PM

@ShadowWizardLoveZelda shaped (?)

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

hehe

!!poo

KennyBOT

~ 💩 💩 💩 💩 💩 💩 💩

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

hmm wonder if I'll have more than that. Wish me luck!

>>go to toilet

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@ShadowWizardLoveZelda Command not found. Did you mean: no?

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

>>yes I meant no

FOX 9000

12:40 PM

@ShadowWizardLoveZelda Command suggestion cleared.

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

@FOX9000 square

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@ShadowWizardLoveZelda mesh (?)

Petəíŕd The Linux Wizard

lol

>>rmspaces {{shuffle ק ר ל ג ב יי}}

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@PetəíŕdTheLinuxWizard רקןאםטו

@PetəíŕdTheLinuxWizard רוםטאןק

Petəíŕd The Linux Wizard

ךםך

FOX 9000

12:49 PM

@PetəíŕdTheLinuxWizard בקיילרג

@PetəíŕdTheLinuxWizard בגקרליי

@PetəíŕdTheLinuxWizard בקגרליי

@PetəíŕdTheLinuxWizard קביירגל

Petəíŕd The Linux Wizard

חחח

וממם

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

1:03 PM

Just nonsense, or did you try to have the bot say something funny? (can't see anything obvious)

Petəíŕd The Linux Wizard

@ShadowWizardLoveZelda I second that

Zoe is on strike

1:20 PM

@SPArcheon It's likely covered by onboarding, which would be really unfortunate

Tinkeringbell

I don't think it will be. At least, that's not the impression I got yesterday in the TL.

Or at least, that onboarding will be more than 'just that' ;)

Zoe is on strike

@Tinkeringbell then y they no answer my comment?

Tinkeringbell

@Zoeisonstrike Not private enough?

Dunno...

Perhaps I'm just too optimistic, but that rarely happens...

Zoe is on strike

@Tinkeringbell they could say "we are [not] planning other things[, and we'll get back with more details later]"

It's effectively a long yes/no question

Tinkeringbell

@Zoeisonstrike Yeah... there's loads of those out there without answers XD

I get that it's especially frustrating though.

Zoe is on strike

1:31 PM

Yeah, especially given the number of times I've brought up onboarding regarding the thing:tm: without getting anything

Tinkeringbell

Yep.

SPArcheon

> "I want to maximise the good I do while we're still getting data dumps and stuff"
"There's a change coming in anywhere from today to within two weeks that, if the mods who made the statements follow through on them, will result in at least two resignations on SO"

I had assumed the change was about "while we're still getting data dumps". Apparently it is about onboarding.

either way, I am pretty confident it will be bad based on Zoe words.

Have to buy more pop corn.

Alas, quite fun that the "onboard" push could cause "at least two resignations on SO"

that is called "off"-board in my book.

Tinkeringbell

I agree it'll likely be bad, and I don't blame those mods for wanting to resign when it happens.

SPArcheon

aaaaaaand good grief for Tink calling it bad when she usually has quite a "milder" (sorry for the lack of a better word) approach.

By which I mean that what you call "bad" usually other mods call "horrible"

That said, I will worry about it after the weekend.

@Tinkeringbell Just let me make a little guess if you can answer... More (useless) work for you mods?

Zoe is on strike

@SPArcheon it is unrelated to the data dumps, fwiw

The data dumps are stable for thr time being

SPArcheon

1:41 PM

@Zoeisonstrike just lacking context and the two messages coming one after another made me thing they were related

Zoe is on strike

That's fair, I'm just confirming it isn't the case - fortunately. Axing the data dumps again won't go over well

Tinkeringbell

@SPArcheon Possibly for me, yes. Definitely for Zoe.

Zoe is on strike

@SPArcheon a lot of avoidable work, and a lot that'll go undetected because it'll open for a type of abuse that can be concealed to the point where It's impossible to confirm it's abuse

SPArcheon

So it is probably some other "SO-centric" thing (I assume the difference is that she is a SO mod, you aren't). Oh well, I will worry when they announce it.

Zoe is on strike

It'll be launched to SO first, and the network if the test is a success

Tinkeringbell

1:52 PM

That's what they say for everything that launches on SO first though, and more often than not it just stays there :P

(Which is admittedly what I'm hoping for now too)

Zoe is on strike

@Tinkeringbell this is trivial to roll out to the rest of the network though

Tinkeringbell

Yeah, that's true.

Zoe is on strike

@Tinkeringbell I hope they abort the test early, and realise they ran into exactly what we warned them about

Tinkeringbell

I'll cross my fingers.

Zoe is on strike

2:06 PM

Indeed. I still wonder when they'll post it

Tinkeringbell

Hopefully on US time, while we're blissfully unaware and asleep :P

Zoe is on strike

Speak for yourself, I screwed my sleep schedule :p

Tinkeringbell

Mine seems screwed up lately too... and I dunno why, I'm still doing the same things I always did but can't fall asleep at night and can't wake up when the alarm goes off...

At least I'll be pretending to be asleep :P

Zoe is on strike

2:23 PM

:p

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

2:35 PM

@Tinkeringbell in my case it was major illness that screwed my sleeping schedule year ago, hopefully in your case it's just something random and short that will go away soon...

(I always used to sleep only 4-5 hours, but when sick I felt tired much more than usual, and even adding more sleep hours didn't help)

SPArcheon

oh, I was worried that question didn't got the hater usual downvote yet. Lucky someone bumping it with a reply made them notice they didn't serial downvote it yet

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizardLoveZelda I'm not suspecting major illness. My two options right now are a.) increased coffee intake since acquiring an automatic espresso machine or b.) seasonal things.

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

@Tinkeringbell ah, likely the coffee then. ;)

Tinkeringbell

The sleep problems are much more recent than acquiring the coffee machine though, and I'm not really drinking that much coffee

Where I used to only drink coffee at the office I may now also have a cup or two on weekends.

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

@SPArcheon hmm? What question?

SPArcheon

2:44 PM

Someone upvoted and bumped this old question on Sci-Fi.

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Q: Did anyone other than Luna take responsibility for "Dream Duty"?

S3E6 episode "Sleepless in Ponyville" introduces a new task that Luna is doing other than simply raising the moon at night. Scootaloo: You are so, so much better than The Headless Horse. But what are you doing here? Shouldn't you be in Canterlot? Princess Luna: I am the princess of the night. Th...

soon after someone downvoted the question and the answer.

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

@SPArcheon ah, so you have an ~~admirer~~ serial downvoter? Respect. ;)

SPArcheon

@ShadowWizardLoveZelda Naah, this isn't about me. While the answer is kinda confused and could justify the downvote, this matches a pattern that I notice. Most MLP questions on that site soon or later get a single downvote, and usually at the same time every answer is downvoted too.

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

@Tinkeringbell probably just taking time for the body to react... or maybe like you said seasonal... or maybe random.... but I hope you'll get your sleep schedule back on track soon! :-)

SPArcheon

so it is mostly a "I hate ponies on my site" issue.

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

Something interesting, recently I remember my dreams "better", bit after waking up. But then it's gone, e.g. now I can't remember at all any of the dreams, just that I remembered when waking up, which wasn't the case before.

Brain is SO odd!

!!install new brain

KennyBOT

2:47 PM

~ That is all gibberish to me...

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

:(

@SPArcheon well guess you already tried to get mod/CM attention to it? Or not yet?

Chances you'll get the help you want are slim, but still exist...

SPArcheon

@ShadowWizardLoveZelda actually that is pretty common. That is why they usually suggest keeping a dream diary first thing after waking up.

@ShadowWizardLoveZelda bof, I am not even sure it is worth the effort.

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

@SPArcheon who are "they"? I don't have any problem with the dreams, they're not bad and don't think they're very good, just.... dreams.

SPArcheon

As now, I am mostly amused at them making a clown of themselves.

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

@SPArcheon principle

FOX 9000

2:49 PM

@ShadowWizardLoveZelda confucianism (?)

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

@FOX9000 mechanism

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@ShadowWizardLoveZelda endocrine (?)

SPArcheon

@ShadowWizardLoveZelda all the "how to remember dreams better" tutorials and guides.

usually the first step to any lucid dream guide.

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

@SPArcheon ahh lol, well yeah, that's quite clear. But as long as I don't have problem with sleep or dreams, no need to.

SPArcheon

@ShadowWizardLoveZelda again, mostly interesting in relation to lucid dreams. Which are by itself a very odd thing.

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

2:51 PM

I do remember some past dreams though.

Most clear is the classic one, where I die, it repeated for few weeks, but years ago, and don't think it was back since then.

I think it was a while after I took part in war, so making sense, and nothing to wonder about...

2006? hmm...

Andreas moved to Codidact

3:07 PM

@Bella_Blue Would these things use generative AI, or something else? — Andreas moved to Codidact 20 hours ago

No answer.

Yet.

Zoe is on strike

3:56 PM

I'm increasingly afraid they plan to use genAI as a way to reduce the curator work deficit

Automation is all well and good, to be clear, but not when it involves genAI. The unfriendly bot, for example, uses a specially trained neural network for detecting sentiment, which is fine. It's trash, but that's an implementation issue that they just didn't care enough to fix. There's also many other areas of tooling that would benefit from automation, but again, not genAI

The function of the automatic vote fraud detection systems have been common knowledge for years, so lots of vote fraudsters know how to get around it. Fixing it would save mods a ton of work

Automatically blocking certain kinds of comments, for example, is a low-effort but huge impact way to reduce the time spent on noise moderation. It can be done with just regex, but can reduce noise, and be used as an onboarding measure (for example by directing people to vote when blocking a "thanks" comment)

Multiple kinds of trivial pattern matching-based systems can also be used for onboarding and reducing problematic content posted to main. Imagine a simple regex for detecting a link-only answer, for example; it could prevent some link-only answers from being posted, and instruct them how to answer properly

This is why I've repeated "onboarding" so many times; it won't be a magic fix for everything, but the positive impact it can have on both engagement and reducing the curation workload without tanking quality is enormous if implemented properly

SPArcheon

4:33 PM

@Zoeisonstrike which will alienate the few remaining curators and push them to stop curating completely.

let me check...

Zoe is on strike

@SPArcheon Yep

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@Zoeisonstrike nod (?)

Zoe is on strike

They've already said they're planning to allow gemini users to post questions to SO from gemini, which then will be reviewed by curators

Which the company thought was fine, because it's curators and not moderators, so it's fine

@Karsten the intent isn't to create additional work for moderators. I think a more accurate way to explain how this will work is if a Gemini user doesn't receive a satisfactory response there, they'll be able to submit their question to Stack Overflow. Like any question on the platform, it needs to meet the same standards and guidelines and can be closed if it does not. The article uses "Moderators" when, in our model, everyone takes moderator actions. — Rosie ♦ Mar 13 at 20:24

I still suspect we're quickly getting closer to the company discarding the genAI ban and just pushing genAI content to main

SPArcheon

@Zoeisonstrike there is something that Dwarf Fortress call "Tantrum Spiral". I think they could benefit from reading about it a little :P

Zoe is on strike

^^

SPArcheon

4:41 PM

@Zoeisonstrike We could propose to add the ability to generate images with the Stable Diffusion XL model inside questions (even better, use the Pony XL model)

Zoe is on strike

Honestly, I'm close to losing hope that we'll ever get any critical features that aren't genAI-related somehow

SPArcheon

4:55 PM

@Zoeisonstrike I say they should announce the plan this sunday.

Zoe is on strike

I half doubt it

SPArcheon

Many country will be celebrating Easter, seem a good time to post some controversial stuff while fewer users are online.

Zoe is on strike

That's why I half doubt it - holidays also means no CMs are around to post it

SPArcheon

Isn't that even better? :P

Zoe is on strike

They need someone to post it :p

SPArcheon

5:00 PM

@Zoeisonstrike just have chatgpt prepare the post, it will take 5 minutes

Zoe is on strike

:p

SPArcheon

> "You are a Stack Overflow CM.
Write an article summarizing the following feature. Your writing style should be buzword oriented, focusing on AI and alienating older users. You must try to explain as little as possible using the maximum amount of words."

Here, I already got the prompt ready...

Zoe is on strike

For the thing I've been talking about, they've posted a draft internally

So the post already exists

SPArcheon

even better then

KennyBOT

6:14 PM

~ Snake in the Eagle's Shadow

Tinkeringbell

6:38 PM

@ShadowWizardLoveZelda Same here. But not tonight. Tonight is for gaming, snacks and staying up too late (no work for me tomorrow so I can sleep as long as I like :) )

KennyBOT

8:38 PM

~ Cherry Magic! Thirty Years of Virginity Can Make You a Wizard?!

Andreas moved to Codidact

No.

Is it possible to become a virgin?

Other than at birth?

KennyBOT

9:43 PM

~ Shade

KennyBOT

11:44 PM

~ Magician

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