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8:42 AM

@FOX9000 u silly bot

So even if Quran explicitly says not to cause self-harm, some people even today do it and fancy themselves some sort of monk I guess

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why does it reply to me randomly?

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>> leavegame

@RocketNikita Command not found. Did you mean: alive?

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>>leave

8:44 AM

@RocketNikita Command not found. Did you mean: alive?

@M.A.R. I see

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>>list

@RocketNikita Command not found. Did you mean: islink?

Yeah from India I suppose

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>>help

8:45 AM

@RocketNikita I'm FOX 9000, ProgramFOX's chatbot. You can find the source code on GitHub. You can get a list of all commands by running >>listcommands, or you can run >>help command to learn more about a specific command.

@M.A.R. so it's case of interpreting the holy books in a different way, which can be far from the original intention.

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>>listcommands

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>>quitgame

@RocketNikita You left the Word Association Game. Run >>joingame to join again.

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8:45 AM

yes

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do not reply to me

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@FOX9000 !!delete!!

@FOX9000 !!delete

oh well

hides behind @M.A.R

HE'S HERE HE'S HIDING HERE

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard Not this time actually. Quran explicitly says no religious duty should cause harm to you, and if it does, you don't have to do it.

It's just a paradox. For centuries some people thought being religious is making yourself hate everything you enjoy, even food

You can read about "sufis".

Basically pacifist hermits that thought the only way to salvation is to divorce yourself from all the enjoyments of life and be miserable and pray in a corner

They deliberately wore harsh clothing and fasted for long periods of time and stuff

So it wasn't just masturbating or something that they hated. It's like anorexia but for everything

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8:56 AM

@FOX9000 WTF!!? WHO DID THIS?

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ahem

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chat.meta.stackexchange.com/messages/8858550/history

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@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard ARGHHHHH!!!!

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@M.A.R. WHERE IS @SHA?!

@RocketNikita RIGHT HERE

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9:17 AM

@SHA I SEE YOU!

9:34 AM

@M.A.R. That worked out well :')

9:51 AM

@M.A.R. well forbidding masturbation in religion as far as I know isn't to forbid pleasure, but rather to prevent loss of sperm which can be used to reproduce. It's just practical.

So "pull out" or even using condoms is forbidden.

10:53 AM

~ Who needs sleep here?

11:43 AM

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard yeah I'm saying it's not just that. These people have this sort of logic that if you don't do anything, you won't do bad things either

@Zoethe1337Princess in what way?

Can't parse your message Zoe

Are you referring to sufis?

I misread your message

Never mind :')

12:01 PM

@M.A.R. use better parser. ;)

@M.A.R. that's awfully twisted logic.

12:15 PM

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard well, it's sorta antithetical to the modern life, but it's kinda understandable if you have a very abysmal obsession for being righteous

P.S. after a couple of centuries, these hermits ended up in the spotlight, and all sorts of crooks pretended to be sufis, gaining some following and essentially living off the people they fooled with fake miracles and wisecracking

So if you check our poets in the 4th Hijri century, they're praising sufis for their OCD-like hatred for a normal living, but by the sixth Hijri century, ours poets were instead mocking sufis as hypocrites instead

@M.A.R. example?

And the image of an OG sufi is a starved Mahatma Gandhi except dirtier and with a full beard like Diogenes. The image of a 6th century sufi is a fat merchant

Ann Zen

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard Thanks...

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard All very evident in Hafez and Saadi's poems. For 'the real' sufis, Sana'ii

@M.A.R. oh that's quite the opposite...

12:24 PM

The sixth century for poets was kinda like this century of ours. There's a cultural undercurrent of praising screw ups for their honesty. Hafez repeatedly says "I'd rather be the staggering drunkard loitering on the street than one of these holy people"

@M.A.R. how you know so much? Religious background or just love to read stuff?

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard Right? History has all the lessons if we care to hear them

I hardly know any Jewish past poets. :/

@M.A.R. sadly true.

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard more like I'm attentive in class and remember things I've read or heard five years ago in a boring course everyone was daydreaming in

@M.A.R. oh, nice. I didn't always daydream during boring classes, but remember close to nothing from them anyway.

12:26 PM

I don't think I'm really hardworking. I mean, I read but I'm pretty sure it's not as much as most readers

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard who knows, maybe by that age I'm like you

My parents are religious, but the good kind of religious thankfully.

@M.A.R. good memory isn't hard working, on the contrary, those with bad memory have to work hard to read and memorize, if they want to succeed.

Because they're smart, they don't buy into nonsense. Dad for some reason sometimes loves conspiracy theories though

@M.A.R. glad to hear, sounds like the same "type" as Yaakov and Mith.

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard yeah I guess, I mean, I think I noticed it while preparing for the entrance exam. Or maybe people were just bluffing about how much they read or need to read.

@M.A.R. meh, many smart people fall for conspiracy theories, e.g. my sister. :/

12:28 PM

Policy-wise, they've shifted a lot to the left, especially in the recent years when our government went full nuts

She was all into the 5G COVID theory in the beginning for a while.

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard there's this appeal to the fact that even the craziest theory might connect two unrelated incidents

@M.A.R. people bluff a lot, no doubt. To look better in eyes of others.

There's a right way to discuss such things, and many wrong ways. People often just need to be educated a bit about what to be critical of

@M.A.R. you mean you won't remember what you know now when you're 40? Yeah, that's possible. ;)

@M.A.R. yup

12:30 PM

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@FOX9000 sex

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@FOX9000 sex

12:31 PM

@M.A.R. That word is already said in the latest 10 words. Please use another. (In case I'm mistaken, run >>rmword sex and then >>reply 8858743)

hey!!!

Great minds.... :D

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~ Not everything is star-worthy...

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12:32 PM

@M.A.R. fort

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@FOX9000 dang can't use the word I actually had ;)

@FOX9000 Visual

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12:33 PM

Taking a nap o/

@M.A.R. it's not only education, it's combo of environment, education, and seeing how others behave and react around them,

@M.A.R. nap away.... I go out with kids for our weekly cat walk in half an hour.

We travel on foot all around the neighborhood looking for cats.

1:36 PM

~ A few more hours and this room will be frozen ...

no u

2:38 PM

@Zoethe1337Princess w

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard sha (?)

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard :wqa!

>>islink w sha

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard Yes, that's a manually added link.

whaa

>>explainlink w sha

2:38 PM

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard No explanation found.

@Zoethe1337Princess GPU

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard mapping (?)

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard 460

No associated word found for 460.

>>continue 460 broken

2:41 PM

@Zoethe1337Princess broken (?)

@Zoethe1337Princess 86 ($)

No associated word found for 86.

>>continue 86 item_is_no_longer_available

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard item is no longer available (?)

>>addlinkexplanation 86 item_is_no_longer_available en.wikipedia.org/wiki/86_(term)

2:44 PM

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard Explanation added.

@FOX9000 denied

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard fly (?)

3:44 PM

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5:45 PM

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9:25 PM

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