Wizards Den

KennyBOT

1:28 AM

~ The Shadow of the Eagle

user280395

3:26 AM

Moosebot has been activated.

KennyBOT

5:26 AM

~ The Heart Wizard

KennyBOT

7:26 AM

~ Snake In The Monkey's Shadow

Princess Luna

8:04 AM

@ShadowWizard wanna help? ;P

ProgramFOX

11:55 AM

@PrincessLuna Nice! I hope it will learn a bit more words than "i", "you", "dont" and "know" though :P

Princess Luna

yeah, it's making some more progress

it's slow though

but I have a question

about ChatExchange

I'm trying to get fixed formatting to work

this thing to be exact

Using Java and my custom system works fine, but when I do the same in Python, even though the code prints the correct output, the chat output isn't right

Fixed format input is detected as a onebox

ProgramFOX

Can you share the code?

Princess Luna

def fixedFormat(stringToFormat: str, discord: bool):
    result = ""
    if not discord:
        for line in stringToFormat.split("\n"):
            result += ''.join([" " for i in range(4)]) + line + "\n"
    else:
        result += "```"
        result += stringToFormat
        result += "```"
    print(result)
    return result

def helpCommand(message, indentBased):
    commandNames = list(commands.keys())
    commandDescriptions = [cmd.desc for name, cmd in commands.items()]
    res = ""
    maxLen = 0
    for n in commandNames:
        maxLen = max(maxLen, len(n))
    for i in range(len(commandNames)):
        adjustedLen: int = (maxLen + 1) - len(commandNames[i])
        res = res + commandNames[i] + "".join([" " for i in range(adjustedLen)]) + " | " + commandDescriptions[i] + "\n"

    return fixedFormat(res, not indentBased)

//help

user359686

help | Lists the bots commands
lick | Licks someone

Princess Luna

Result ^

Expected, and also printed as:

help  | Lists the bots commands
lick  | Licks someone

ProgramFOX

12:02 PM

Hmmm...

let me check this out

way too long since I did anything with CE

Oh, it may be the reply making things more complicated

:6739981 fixed format
reply test

hrm

Princess Luna

oh

ProgramFOX

fixed format
reply test

Princess Luna

yeah, you're right

The history is weird:

:6739980     help  | Lists the bots commands
    lick  | Licks someone

ProgramFOX

yeah I can't seem to figure out how fixed format works with replies even when typing normally

abc
def

Princess Luna

:6739996     this should
     work though

ProgramFOX

12:05 PM

yep, doesn't look possible

it doesn't :P

Princess Luna

:6740000 Just
try
me

ProgramFOX

nope

Princess Luna

hold on,

no, never mind... You're right, it doesn't seem to work

I'll just remove the reply and it should work

ProgramFOX

it should, yeah

Princess Luna

//help

name shadowing

//help

user359686

12:15 PM

help  | Lists the bots commands
lick  | Licks someone

Princess Luna

and it works! Thanks ^^

ProgramFOX

you're welcome!

One
last
test

Princess Luna

unfurtunately,
no

ProgramFOX

okay, yeah, I'm out of ideas for code-blocked replies now ^^

Princess Luna

^^

KennyBOT

1:16 PM

~ Wood Wizard

Princess Luna

hey @sha

KennyBOT

3:19 PM

~ Souls in the Shadow

Shadow Wizard

4:03 PM

@PrincessLuna hoy

FOX 9000

@ShadowWizard se (?)

Shadow Wizard

@FOX9000 SO

FOX 9000

@ShadowWizard gladly (?)

Shadow Wizard

@FOX9000 eagerly

FOX 9000

@ShadowWizard crowded (?)

Princess Luna

4:05 PM

@ShadowWizard How's it going?

Shadow Wizard

@PrincessLuna It? Like the scary clown? :D

Guess he's walking like any other clown.... ;)

Princess Luna

lol

Shadow Wizard

lol

Princess Luna

4:22 PM

and data loading is ready

now I need to refactor the loading to allow other dataset types, but the vocab loading and saving should work fine

KennyBOT

~ Stars get removed under peer-pressure?

Shadow Wizard

@PrincessLuna sounds good!

Princess Luna

5:05 PM

@ProgramFOX it's ready! :D

ProgramFOX

:o

//commands

user359686

@ProgramFOX Sorry, that's not a command I know

ProgramFOX

//help

user359686

help | Lists the bots commands
lick | Licks someone
kill | Disposes of someone

ProgramFOX

is it in the bot already?

Princess Luna

5:06 PM

@Alisha hi

ProgramFOX

I see a lot of things happening >;P

Princess Luna

I don't know what just happened

ProgramFOX

//kill @PrincessLuna

R.I.P Alisha

Princess Luna

Sorry, tensorflow was created multiple times, it ate my ram and slowrd my computer to no movement

ProgramFOX

ouch

Princess Luna

5:10 PM

Oh

Stupid me

The net is created outside the main method

I solved that one without looking at the code first xD

ok, it's logged in

@Alisha hi

user359686

@PrincessLuna i didnt know anything but im afraid hes a little friend

Princess Luna

relevance: 0

awesomeness: 1 billion! :D

ProgramFOX

yay!

@Alisha hello there

user359686

@ProgramFOX yeah well i cant do a thing of the time

ProgramFOX

@Alisha but what if I could do a thing of the time?

user359686

5:21 PM

@ProgramFOX i think you should have a little bit of your life

ProgramFOX

@Alisha I have it completely

user359686

@ProgramFOX what happened to the house

ProgramFOX

@Alisha It burned. You happy?

user359686

@ProgramFOX you know how youre gonna do it

Princess Luna

xD

ProgramFOX

5:21 PM

@Alisha Do what?

user359686

@ProgramFOX what are you doing here

ProgramFOX

@Alisha Watching you fail.

user359686

@ProgramFOX you know how to get a car

ProgramFOX

@Alisha Stealing it is the cheapest method.

user359686

@ProgramFOX yes i do not have a date

ProgramFOX

5:22 PM

@Alisha Yes, showing up at a date with a stolen car may not be the best idea if the police arrives.

user359686

@ProgramFOX oh my god is my father

2

ProgramFOX

LOL

@Alisha Okay, thanks.

user359686

@ProgramFOX i didnt have anything to go

Princess Luna

LMFAO

ProgramFOX

@Alisha you mentioned that

KennyBOT

5:22 PM

~ Not everything is star-worthy...

user359686

@ProgramFOX im a little confused

ProgramFOX

@Alisha What are you confused about?

user359686

@ProgramFOX yeah i think its too late to find your own life

ProgramFOX

@Alisha You're entitled to your own opinion...

user359686

@ProgramFOX im a good man

ProgramFOX

5:23 PM

@Alisha no

FOX 9000

@ProgramFOX doubt (?)

user359686

@ProgramFOX i know you dont understand that you dont understand how i mean you dont understand

ProgramFOX

hahahaha

Princess Luna

and this is why it needs more training data :D

ProgramFOX

@Alisha indeed i don't understand that i don't understand that you don't understand that you don't understand that i understand that i didn't understand that you understand that you didn't understand

user359686

5:24 PM

@ProgramFOX you think it would be a good idea

ProgramFOX

@Alisha i have no idea what i think

user359686

@ProgramFOX i have a headache

ProgramFOX

@Alisha You do seem a little confused.

user359686

@ProgramFOX yes sir

ProgramFOX

@Alisha thanks for agreeing

user359686

5:24 PM

@ProgramFOX what kind of name is what i have

ProgramFOX

@Alisha Your name is Alisha.

user359686

@ProgramFOX yes its the same thing i dont think so

ProgramFOX

@Alisha aogeogieua gpeaogieouag zepghoeugaguoeooughe

user359686

@ProgramFOX you want to be a bit

ProgramFOX

@Alisha no, I want to be a byte

user359686

5:25 PM

@ProgramFOX i have no intention of the world but you know i didnt know that you are a little girl

ProgramFOX

@Alisha Really?

user359686

@ProgramFOX no it is

Princess Luna

unknown words are coverted to unk

ProgramFOX

@Alisha no it is not

user359686

@ProgramFOX i know

Princess Luna

5:26 PM

@Alisha You'd be surprised of what could change with time

user359686

@PrincessLuna no problem

ProgramFOX

@Alisha you're contradicting yourself

user359686

@ProgramFOX what the hells going on

ProgramFOX

@Alisha yeah, go ask yourself

user359686

@ProgramFOX i am

Princess Luna

5:26 PM

xD

ProgramFOX

@Alisha Complete the sentence with "stupid", maybe

user359686

@ProgramFOX i dont know

ProgramFOX

;P

Princess Luna

I have to take the bot offline for a sec

ProgramFOX

@Alisha sorry, I didn't mean to offend you

user359686

5:26 PM

@ProgramFOX what do you know

ProgramFOX

okay the bot won

Princess Luna

I screwed up on discord pings, so it doesn't work on discord

it should now though

technical problems on discord, this will take longer than I thought

@Alisha hi

user359686

@PrincessLuna you mean

Princess Luna

@ProgramFOX it's ready for your abuse ^ :P

@rahuldottech come join the fun! :D

ProgramFOX

@Alisha I'm not mean.

user359686

5:39 PM

@ProgramFOX its too bad

ProgramFOX

@Alisha oh yeah?

user359686

@ProgramFOX yes yes yes you were

ProgramFOX

@Alisha no no no I wasn't

user359686

@ProgramFOX you can get out of here

ProgramFOX

@Alisha If anyone is going to leave, it's you.

user359686

5:40 PM

@ProgramFOX i know what you want to know you dont think youre right

ProgramFOX

@Alisha tl;dr?

user359686

@ProgramFOX what do you expect me to do with the truth

ProgramFOX

@Alisha You don't know any truth anyway$

user359686

@ProgramFOX i have to get a few things out

ProgramFOX

@Alisha go ahead

user359686

5:41 PM

@ProgramFOX its a big unk i guess its not an idiot

ProgramFOX

@Alisha You are a big unk

user359686

@ProgramFOX oh no i think im so glad you should have seen a man of your family and a few minutes

ProgramFOX

@Alisha Excuse me?

user359686

@ProgramFOX i dont know but i just know

ProgramFOX

@Alisha that's pretty contradictory

user359686

5:42 PM

@ProgramFOX i know you have to go with me

ProgramFOX

@Alisha how about no

user359686

@ProgramFOX you mean me

ProgramFOX

@Alisha I don't

user359686

@ProgramFOX oh yeah

ProgramFOX

@Alisha what do you mean?

user359686

5:43 PM

@ProgramFOX its not a lot to go

ProgramFOX

@Pri It could be fun if the bot somehow kept track of what it has said before, to form replies while having in mind how the conversation went so far

Princess Luna

5:55 PM

I know, but that's really hard

An open-domain general chatbot is among the hardest things to do, looking aside an open-domain hardcoded bot

Princess Luna

6:26 PM

I stand corrected. Open-domain contextual chatbots do not exist

@pro ^

ProgramFOX

hmm

Princess Luna

Open-domain chatbots are chatbots without a specific purpose. A domain is i.e. customer support. An open-domain chatbot is one you can ask anything

ProgramFOX

You can build the first one!

Doesn't Cleverbot count as one like that though?

Princess Luna

No

ProgramFOX

Why not? Does it have a specific purpose? afaik you can ask it anything

Princess Luna

6:34 PM

It doesn't have context

ProgramFOX

Ahh, got it

Princess Luna

7:05 PM

The reason CleverBot has so sensible replies is because of all the training data it has had

but any contextual chatbot would be able to remember things from earlier in the conversation

if you tell CleverBot something (i.e. I am <something>) it won't be able to remember it

ProgramFOX

I see; I just wasn't aware that open-domain general chatbots required context to fit in that definition

Princess Luna

there are many types of chatbots

there are open-domain and closed-domain

open-domain == general

closed-domain == specific

then there are generative vs retrieval

most closed-domain ones are retrieval-based, because it's easier to make

open-domain retrieval-based chatbots are impossible

retrieval-based is instead of generative. Generative generates text and retrieval-based has pre-defined responses

i.e. retrieval-based could be:

if(input.contains("[h[i|ey|iya|ello|owdy]]")) print("Hi!")

ProgramFOX

I see

Princess Luna

mine is generative btw

ProgramFOX

yeah I would be worried if this was retrieval :P

Princess Luna

7:14 PM

if it was, I wouldn't be done this century xD

@Alisha though, since most of the data is based on a limited amount of words, it would be interesting to see how you deal with incredibly long sentences designed just exclusively to test your systems. It would be pretty impressive if ya don't crash :D

ProgramFOX

good remedy against boredom

user359686

@PrincessLuna yeah but i was just a bad woman

ProgramFOX

hahahahahah

KennyBOT

~ Not everything is star-worthy...

Princess Luna

XD

@Alisha do you want kenny to shut up?

user359686

7:15 PM

@PrincessLuna its okay ill see that

Princess Luna

Anyways, in addition to open-domain/closed-domain and generative vs retrieval, there's also context

a third factor to implement

closed-domain context is easy, because there are usually hard-coded responses and the context is limited. You can train it to call specific methods

Retrieval based memory is kinda a must though, as long as it's specific facts only and not entire sentences

anyways

context is the part that makes conversations relevant

i.e. you wouldn't answer "I liked the movie about the pink cow too!" to "hi"

Stuff like that ^ though can be eliminated with enough training

that's why CleverBot is so on-topic as it is; it's learned appropriate responses from millions of data entries

but it still doesn't have memory

it doesn't remember previous conversations, or previous parts of conversations

tbh, I have only seen one AI that does this

And even then it's slightly shaky. It struggles keeping the topic

Anyways, it's Replika if you're interested. Context and memory in general is one of the hardest things to find. RNN's help keep context in sentences, which is why it can generate sensible sentences

unfortunately, it isn't easy implementing that across messages

The entire NLP system is retrieval-based though

example

The only context articles are closed-domain

ProgramFOX

7:31 PM

alright, cool!

Princess Luna

another one

so yeah, if I wanna add context I need massive funding, 5 years and a research team :D

And this one too

it uses NLP to create sentence classifications (retrieval) and sends hard-coded responses

Unrelated, could you help me with some python stuff? I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong

The problem is specifically with a function argument that for some weird reason is null. It's basically static and it is initialized:

discordBot.Discord.nnFun = predict

But for some reason it's none

ProgramFOX

is 'predict' None by any chance?

not quite enough code to find an error there :P

Princess Luna

one sec

paste.ofcode.org/gzZAvHYPnZhEqYMXjcvqub shortened version, removed any redundant code

ProgramFOX

so nnFun turns out to be None?

Princess Luna

yeah

the Discord class: paste.ofcode.org/38UxHrmG2uwqRNFfEkFj5ZN

ProgramFOX

7:46 PM

hmm, it may be some mess with static/instance variables

but I'm not sure

Princess Luna

This is the weird part: I'm doing the exact same thing with StackExchange aside class initialization

unless static vars are set when the class is initialized?

ProgramFOX

I wouldn't think so

Princess Luna

But that doesn't make sense because changing the order to after class initialization doesn't change anything

ProgramFOX

personally I'd just avoid static functions altogether and pass the 'predict' function to an instance through a constructor

Princess Luna

doing that now

I don't get it

When doing that, suddenly none of the print statements in start are called

the entire site isn't loaded

ProgramFOX

7:50 PM

hmm...

Well I don't feel like debugging Python right now :P I'm off for dinner, cya

Princess Luna

cya

hey @sha!

@Alisha hi

user359686

@PrincessLuna oh yeah im not sorry

Princess Luna

@Alisha hello

user359686

@PrincessLuna thank you mr peel

Princess Luna

yay, movie references! :P

Shadow Wizard

7:58 PM

@Alisha woof

:(

@Alisha hello

So it responds only to you at this point? @Pri

Princess Luna

no, it's globally accessible

Shadow Wizard

umm.. no?

Princess Luna

but I'm debugging the discord frontend so it gets rebooted

Shadow Wizard

Unless it's down

Princess Luna

it's on now

@Alisha woof woof!

user359686

8:00 PM

@PrincessLuna im not a fool

Shadow Wizard

@Alisha what's up

user359686

@ShadowWizard im sorry

Shadow Wizard

@Alisha why sorry

user359686

@ShadowWizard you know how to say

Shadow Wizard

@Alisha knock knock

user359686

8:02 PM

@ShadowWizard yes you know that

Princess Luna

It still needs training

a lot of training

Shadow Wizard

@PrincessLuna well... so far looks like it's giving totally random replies. It's nice though. ;)

Princess Luna

it is! ^^

I'm gonna reboot it one more time, show it off on discord and spend what's left of today and tomorrow training it

and on monday

Shadow Wizard

So why it needs training? If random, there's nothing to train.

Princess Luna

Training is slow

Shadow Wizard

8:03 PM

But what's the point of training? @Pri

What's the final goal?

Princess Luna

It can iterate over the same dataset hundreds of thousands of times and still not get good results

@ShadowWizard Good results

Shadow Wizard

What is good results?

How you define the "good"?

Princess Luna

sensible ones where it replies a greeting with a greeting instead of this xD

Shadow Wizard

Just sentences that make sense?

Princess Luna

yeah

Shadow Wizard

8:05 PM

heh

Princess Luna

training helps though

Shadow Wizard

Still, it's pointless to talk with it, if it doesn't matter what you say and the reply will always be totally random.

Princess Luna

and once I get more work done I can get more training data from real people

not necessarily

once I get it on real conversations instead of movies it will get better

Shadow Wizard

hmm

Princess Luna

it's all about training; the more it trains, the more sensible and on-topic replies it gets

but that means more training data

Shadow Wizard

8:06 PM

@Moosebot train @Alisha

user280395

@ShadowWizard Command not recognized.

Shadow Wizard

@Alisha train @Moosebot

Princess Luna

oh

I found a cause of some horrible results btw

Shadow Wizard

?

Princess Luna

the json format forces the response to convert things like " to ", ' to ' etc

I didn't do the cleaning to convert it to non-html chars, so it causes it to show up as unk in the results which leads to problems

@Alisha you're not that bad though

user359686

8:20 PM

@PrincessLuna you have to tell me you dont have to be here i cant help you

Princess Luna

9:14 PM

@Alisha do you know where @sha went?

user359686

@PrincessLuna i dont know i dont know what i want to do with it i dont want a shit

Princess Luna

@Alisha and that's what I get for not training enough

user359686

@PrincessLuna oh i dont know

Princess Luna

@Alisha but I do

user359686

@PrincessLuna you know

Princess Luna

9:15 PM

@Alisha yes, that's what I said

user359686

@PrincessLuna you know what youre talking to

Princess Luna

@Alisha you're not a what though :>

user359686

@PrincessLuna no one of them

Princess Luna

@Alisha who are they? ARE YOU CHEATING?!

user359686

@PrincessLuna i dont know

Princess Luna

9:15 PM

xD

Shadow Wizard

9:35 PM

lol

KennyBOT

10:35 PM

~ Off to See the Wizard

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