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12:13 AM
Oh, yeah, congrats, @tzenes, for being the second 10k on SE 2.0
 
@GraceNote Cool, who is the first?
 
@CRoss hobodave over on Cooking
 
12:34 AM
@Grace thank you
It is curious how SE rep leads itself to heavy tail distributions
 
@tzenes Why is that surprising?
 
I would think that Jon Skeet would be an anomaly and that the distribution would more accurately match exponential than power law
 
Part of the problem, especially with the broader SE sites is a feedback loop
Tzenes is an expert in handling SC II questions
Gaming.SE becomes a good place to get SCII questions answered because Tzenes is here answering them
more SC II questions get asked
:184664 Not really, because the effect I'm talking about happens over time.
 
ah
I thought you meant something different
 
12:40 AM
you can see it in other tags too.
 
Feedback loop is the kind of principle I wanted to use to make this place attractive to niche games
 
There is also a feedback loop in that people with high rep tend to get more up votes, and that answers with high + get more upvotes
 
I noticed an uptick in Fallout 3 questions after I started writing good fallout 3 answers, f.ex.
 
But I have little to start it with
 
@less on this issue I agree with you
 
12:41 AM
@alexanderpas Now go get this badge
 
I also find that in gaming, there is a broad range of knowledge, but it tends to lack in depth.
thus the more depth we can bring the better
this is why I try to write such long answers
 
@tzenes Yes, exactly, and I feel the same way. My point is that as we demonstrate depth of knowledge in particular subjects, those subjects will generate more questions, and that will feed rep to a certain pool of experts until new experts with other areas of expertise show up.
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz because I started playing FO3 again because some of the questions about it made me want to play again.
 
And this results in a fairly small pool of individuals with high rep, since in general, you end up with a few truly expert answerers with a fairly large pool of question askers.
 
@Less that makes sense why you'd have an exponential distribution, but not why it'd be heavy tail
 
12:47 AM
in Dwarf Fortress Succession, 5 hours ago, by antony.trupe
someone claim the next year
 
in fact it suggests just the opposite
if only we had a statistics SE on which we could ask this question
 
@tzenes Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics.
 
1:09 AM
0
Q: What is the effect of the DLC campaigns on multiplayer?

Juan ManuelI read somewhere that the Zerg and Protoss campaigns will be add-ons to be bought separately. Will I need to buy the upcoming starcraft 2 expansions to be able to play online? Or are they just expansions to the campaign? What if they introduce new units? Will they force everyone to update to c...

 
2:14 AM
heee I got my droid today
hmm that's strange. I got randomly logged out of chat :(
 
protip: Don't do this.
 
you should have told me that 3 months ago
 
Ride a bike into the future?
 
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Q: Why is starcraft 2 divided by regions?

Juan ManuelI live in Argentina, but I love to get all my stuff (be it games, tv series, movies, etc) in English. Battle.net will only let me select one region, which by default is Latin America, that has only Spanish and Portuguese (not to mention that I only get to play with users in the same region). Wh...

 
 
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Q: GTA IV on Core i3 530

KalElIs Core i3 530 enough to run GTA IV smoothly? What is the range of fps that can I expect? The graphics card is probably immaterial, since I already have MSI 5770 Hawk which will pretty easily churn the voxels. I have been getting conflicting results in many places - http://www.behardware.com/a...

 
4:47 AM
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Q: faq currently discriminates against older consoles

Kaestur HakarlThe gaming.se FAQ currently reads: Gaming - Stack Exchange is for passionate videogamers from all platforms, including consoles and computers. If your question generally covers … - PC video gaming - Xbox, PS3, Wii gaming - Nintendo DS, PSP, iPhone gaming … then you are in the ...

 
5:00 AM
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Q: Increase tag length limit to 30 characters.

badpYou don't have to go exotic and pull games like "Do-Don-Pachi Dai-Fukkatsu" (25) or "むかしむかしあるところにとてつもなく仲の悪いツインテールの姉妹姫様がいらっしゃいましたとさ" (9001); even more common games like "Need for Speed: Most Wanted" (30) or "Spider-man: Shattered Dimensions" (26) just do not fit in 24 characters. When you conside...

Ouch, changed to "Status-declined" by Jeff and not even a comment left
g'night all
 
 
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6:11 AM
@FallenAngelEyes Really, what did you expect?
Well he did leave a comment
a downvote
oh, there is a comment
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A: Tagging Suggestions

Jeff AtwoodThe idea that you must tag every game, no matter how obscure, is rather toxic. I would reserve tags for games that actually have some demonstrated popularity, eg, [gta4] is probably a reasonable tag as you can expect a number of those questions, whereas [space-bunnies-must-die] is really just a ...

 
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Q: Gosu starcaft2 Zerg player

SlyHow do you think how is the best zerg player? I'm wondering not for holy war, just want to watch some replays.

 
@Gaming Subjective, and typoing Who into How is possibly my single biggest internet pet peeve!
Close vote AND downvote for you!
 
Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome the replay-rec tag
boo
 
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Q: Gosu starcaft2 Zerg player

SlyWho do you think is the best zerg player? I'm not asking for holy wars, I just want to watch some replays.

 
6:21 AM
we have too many replay threads
?
 
ok, that's pretty funny
 
@tzenes b3tards doesn't allow hotlinking
that's why I linked to the b3ta thread instead.
 
ah
it worked on my screen so I didn't notice
 
yeah, that's a cached copy.
btw what does "gate 5" mean?
 
6:33 AM
5 gate = build 5 gateways
its a BO from SC1
It was strong for a long time till it was "solved"
no one runs 5 gate anymore
 
I still can't help to say "5 gate" in my head with the voice of Wetrix
"two gate gate gate three gate gate gate four gate gate gate gate gate five gate gate gate"
 
that game looks awesome
 
well, most games look better in TASes
 
6:58 AM
I'm off to bed
 
7:08 AM
sleep well @tzenes
 
 
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Q: PAL version of Karaoke Revolution series

Mehper C. PalavuzlarI own Lips series and I'm looking for other Karaoke games on Xbox 360. Karaoke Revolution series sounds good but there seems to be no PAL version (my opinion after a quick Google search. I'm not sure.) as my Xbox 360 is PAL. Why isn't there PAL version of a game which resides in a global and popu...

 
 
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9:59 AM
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Q: How to remove "Deceased" entries from units list?

NakilonI've butchered several kitten. There are no corpses to bury (I think, they all converted into skulls and skin). So I don't need anymore of listing them in Unit list. DF2010. P.S.: wanted to add tags kitten and unit-list, but couldn't.

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Q: Can we change first person shooting game into third person shooting game?

sivakumarspnvI want to play 'left 4 dead 2' pc game through third person view.Can I change the view by altering any settings.Please help me

 
10:36 AM
Is F7 normally unbound in L4D2?
Quite incoherently, this was a proposal of Spolsky's...
by the way -- StackExchanges' new tag limit is 25 \o/
yesterday's posts weren't completely useless.
 
11:00 AM
notice the downvotes
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A: Make the search box handheld-device friendly

Jeff AtwoodWe won't be adding a button, but I guess I could make the background clickable (the search icon is a background-image specified in CSS). edit: I view this as a problem with the browser on that platform, not our problem. If the iPhone browser can handle this, the Zune / Blackberry / etc browser s...

 
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Q: Multiplayer HTML games for smartphones?

DzinXToday I was trying to find a game that I could play with my friend on-line. I have an iPhone and he has an Android device, so I was looking for games that are HTML/JavaScript based rather than native applications. Unfortunately, I couldn't even find a simple chess game. So my question is: do you...

 
11:18 AM
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A: faq currently discriminates against older consoles

alexanderpasI would say yo keep the first lines up-to date with the latest and geatest, as thi serves as a confirmation that, yes we indeed serve these type of devices such as iPhone gaming (which also covers android gaming BTW ;) ) and adding a line stating we also support the older ones Gaming - Sta...

 
11:36 AM
Now -- why exactly does Powerpoint export HUGE images?
just created a 3072×1185 picture
lol, I must have hit an internal limit, Powerpoint has cut the result refusing to make it any larger
oh, and thanks for Orbitron @jzy :D
 
site stats broken?
 
@alex: Means the stats are being recomputed
please waits as the splines are being reticulated.
 
 
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2:10 PM
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Q: Creepy creep is creepy... ?

ShogunTook this with my phone hence it's not pixel accurate like a screen shot would be but you can see what I was seeing, I had been watching a Replay and switched my Textures graphics level then went and joined a 2v2 only to find my creep was looking kind of interesting... what the heck? Next game it...

 
Not a real question.
 
Indeed
 
Good afternoon all
 
Can somebody please test if L4D2 requires sv_cheats 1 to use the thirdpersonshoulder command?
at times I wish I only answered questions about games I have =P
 
2:31 PM
So just open up console and use the command?
 
yep, in a VAC secured game
I assume those have sv_cheats clamped to 0
or just in local...
 
loading up, gimme a sec
 
1
0 :P
 
bomps badp
 
or you can try in a custom training sort of a lobby...that works in tf2 offline practice
 
2:34 PM
I know I know, sorry
 
well
I just started a friends-only game on an Official Dedicated server and it let me do it
 
Awesome.
 
just Quick Joined an ongoing game
also let met do it
anything else you need?
 
nope, already working to "pay you back" :)
 
is L4D 2 any fun? meaning in tf2 i have loads of fun because its team based, you get the occasional turn around and stuff
two matches are never the same...i don't see that in l4d 2 where you just kill zombies to get to a certain point :)
 
2:46 PM
@FallenAngelEyes enjoy the rep I hope you'll gain from my edit
er
do a similar work for the second table maybe :)
now I have to dash
 
@Cristina: I've played a lot with friends and had a great time
@badp: It doesn't hurt to link to the FAQ though, does it? And while facts aren't copyrightable, someone else did all the work, so I was trying to give proper attribution for using a source.
 
@FallenAngelEyes i have friends with whom i can play it, but how do you feel challenged, isn't a bit repetitive to fight against the AI a lot?
 
Also, @Cristina, while the games are scripted to a point, the AI director makes it so the game is more dynamic, so you can't expect the exact same playthrough every time.
 
@FallenAngelEyes You can include the link, yeah :)
 
We've had some epic, epic deaths because the AI decided to throw a bunch of specials at us at the wrong time.
 
2:50 PM
To be honest I assume the "hard work" actually is reading labels on the screen
like I did for my NFS:W dump
 
@FallenAngelEyes i see, is human vs human a popular game of choice? i think it's called versus
 
And if the game is too easy, you can ramp up the difficulty, which makes it so you have to be a lot more skilled
Yes, versus is very popular
 
does L4D2 allow mods?
 
I don't play it a whole lot outside of my friend group though
In what way, @badp? There are custom created campaigns that players make through the SDK.
Which is also another way that the game is fun. :)
 
...are all the mods mostly blank maps with the only objective of killing enough bajillion zombies?
 
2:52 PM
I played this one user made mod that was an exact replica of Helm's Deep
 
Nice to see, then, that L4D2 modding is less brain damaged than Alien Swarm's :)
 
The L4D blog is also starting a thing where they highlight a user made campaign for a couple weeks and host it on their dedicated servers
 
» Objective: kill 200 drones
» Objective: kill 400 drones
» Objective: kill 600 drones
» Objective: kill 1000 drones
» Objective: kill 2000 drones
READY, STEADY, GRIND!
 
@Cristina: What I like about L4D is the emphasis on co-op. You really have to help your friends out, and there's mechanics ingame for encouraging that as well. For example, if you get incapacitated, you can only be picked up by another player.
 
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Q: Should the "Glitch" and "Bug" tags be merged?

sjohnstonI don't think there's an obvious, meaningful difference between these two terms. The questions in each tag seem pretty similar.

 
2:59 PM
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Q: I can't beat terran as zerg when they do MMM with a splash of tanks, any ideas?

LurkerQuestion basically states it. I have a lot of problems beating terran when they either do MMM(marine Maurader Medivac) with tanks or even just marines and tanks. Tried banelings and infestors, and quite a lot of other strategies so any help would be awesome

 
glitch and bug are different
 
@Cristina How so?
 
bugs are most of the time cause by a software error, mostly it's a persons fault
 
@Cristina Maybe, but are the tags used differently?
 
@Cristina Bugs are software errors, glitches are software errors.
 
3:02 PM
while glitch can be caused by non-software errors
 
If the cause is not related to the game it belongs on Super User
 
Game Rec proposal has 18 followers... 42 to go...
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true, but like i said imho the term glitch and bug differ a bit, not by a lot, but enough for me to say that you should think about the problem you are having before naming it a bug or a glitch or using the terms inter-changeably
 
If so, bugs might belong on the site, glitches don't.
 
@Cristina , You should go ask on English.StackExchange.com. Those guys are awesome.
 
3:09 PM
i am going to increase my frequency on that site when i start my IELTS
it's not language related more than technical. :)
 
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Q: Do most languages need more space than English?

Antony QuinnI saw the following statement on http://ui.stackexchange.com/questions/1464: Supporting multiple languages can break the user interface, because most languages need more space than english This seems to be a gross generalisation. Does anyone have any data on this?

thats a pretty awesome answer
 
I was just reading that as well
 
that is one long word
 
It reminds me of why reading Heidegger is such a pain.
(Because he relies heavily on compounds like that, and in general, to preserve his meaning, the english translations are overloaded with words-full-of-hyphens-that-should-be-sentences-unto-themselves)
 
3:25 PM
Yeah, Dutch does that as well, it still baffles me sometimes when I see words in the paper that are the entire column width
 
3:39 PM
Yay, Tarn sent me my ASCII award
It is beautiful. T,.@@@@-@@-@/\ggg-g-,TOBTOBOO
 
void* is a bad practice?
 
3:56 PM
as a general rule, yes
 
4:11 PM
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Q: How can I get the shovel in Monkey Island 2

Vincent RobertWhen starting the game, I found myself in town standing in front of a panel with a shovel attached. I tried to take the shovel but the game tries to get the panel and tells me it is impossible. Is there a way to take the shovel? Having already played Monkey Island 2 (a long time ago), I remem...

 
5:00 PM
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Q: Is there any good tutorial game for Go?

Tuomas HietanenI would like to learn the Go. Are there any good beginner Go-programs to teach the game?

 
5:45 PM
Hey @Kevin, welcome to chat
@FallenAngelEyes I can't follow that, I haven't played nearly enough titles
 
6:06 PM
Can I get your attention for a second on an almost completely unrelated thing of mine?
 
shoot
 
I'd like your feedback of any kind on this:
 
design wise?
 
any kind :)
including "man, 2907×1206? seriously?"
 
maybe someone wants a poster :D
 
6:09 PM
;D
 
it looks ok to me, props for doing the dates, that's pretty important in a tournament
 
my biggest gripe is with the lines, they ought to be diagonal just like the shapes are
but... Powerpoint doesn't have diagonal connectors! :blush:
 
Try Visio?
 
raises eyebrow
is that what "pros" really use to do this kind of stuff?
I mean, I realize I'm abusing Powerpoint there
 
Well, no, the pros would probably use Illustrator or something
But Visio is closer than Powerpoint :)
And I really wouldn't have seen that you used Powerpoint for that
 
6:15 PM
I use Visio for things like that all the time
 
@ArdaXi does Video let me fuck around with shadows and stuff like that? (just asking)
 
Yeah
Same thing as with Powerpoint IIRC
 
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Q: Answering spoiler questions with hints

sjohnstonThis answer got me thinking about questions involving spoilers. The question asker doesn't exactly specify whether he'd prefer hints or outright answers. Obviously concrete answers fit best with our general modus operandi. However, in many cases, especially in this genre, people will prefer a ...

 
Wow, Shogun is really angry at me I guess
 
I'll try Visio then next year. Thank you.
You know what I hate in the full double elimination format?
You can't announce the day of the big final.
You just don't know when it is!
There's this Final II game should the losers' bracket winner defeat the winners' bracket winner
it's just... lame.
"Here's the final, but if the wrong guys win it it's not a final anymore"
Didn't you notice there are two game 4s? :/
 
6:37 PM
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Q: How can I get mouse wheel scrolling to work in game dialogs?

TurricanTo me the most annoying thing is that the game doesn't respect to most simplest UI gesture: scrolling up/down with the wheel in dialogs; only the PgUp and PgDn keys work. Is there any way to get it working?

 
I need you advice
 
?
 
should I just risk it and buy the US version? Will it be too impossible to play?
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Q: Why is StarCraft 2 divided by regions?

Juan ManuelI live in Argentina, but I love to get all my stuff (be it games, tv series, movies, etc) in English. Battle.net will only let me select one region, which by default is Latin America, that has only Spanish and Portuguese (not to mention that I only get to play with users in the same region). Wh...

I can play l4d2 a little laggy but ok overall
I'm guessing an RTS would need to transmit less data
so it should work...
 
you will only play with US citizens
 
yep
but I'd really hate to play the game in spanish
 
Lee
6:49 PM
Isn't it North America?
 
North America :)
 
@Lee north america region = usa
 
Lee
Canada?
 
mexico is considered latin america I think
 
Jin
i absolutely hate photoshop
 
6:51 PM
Oh hi @Jin
 
Canada is even further so I don't think it'll work ok from here
 
Lee
If you buy the European version I believe you can choose from all the European languages.
 
@Lee Haven't we annexed that yet</flamebait>
 
the idea is that for me as a customer is outrageous to pay another 60 dollars for the same piece of software just so i can play with some of my American friends
 
Jin
the text rendering is so horrific, now i have to do screencaps of firebug css tweaking, THEN paste back to photoshop, so my mockup text looks as close to a browser rendering as possible
 
6:51 PM
O_O
 
not the usual complaint @Jin
 
@Lee yes, but I guess the lag will be even worse if I played in the Europe servers
 
Lee
Where do you live?
 
@Cristina completely agree
Argentina, south america
 
@Jin, I don't want to mess with your workflow but -- wouldn't it be faster to just mock around straight away with CSS?
 
Lee
6:52 PM
Are there no English-speaking SA countries?
 
not officially
the game is only available in spanish and portuguese anyway
 
aww.
 
Lee
Ah.
 
should I risk not being able to play due to lag?
 
Jin
@badp i do it in photoshop first, so people can get the overall "feel." then i convert to photoshop. however in my experience, (gaming meta post for example) people get tied up on text rendering, rightly so.
@badp so i need to present a mockup that's really close to how site will look. but photoshop text rendering is just bad.
 
6:54 PM
my guess is that it'll work ok, but 60 dollars are 60 dollars
 
I see
 
Jin
@badp, btw can you download dafont.com/pf-tempesta-seven.font?nb_ppp=50 and do some test for me?
 
Linux testing, you mean?
Sure
 
Jin
yes.
 
fires up VirtualBox
 
6:55 PM
for me is 60 euros
 
@Cristina lol
 
and believe me 60 euros is a LOT compared to the american dollar
 
Jin
once you download it, go to gaming.stackexchange.com/questions and change .question-hyperlink {} font to pf tempesta seven; and set font-size to 12px
 
Fonts are all but cheap -- especially since they're so easy to pirate.
 
@Cristina Roughly $80
 
6:56 PM
@Cristina yes, the exchange rate is very different here also
but I'm not hearing any advice :)
 
@Juan, is "buy it in the US then" the kind of advice you are looking for? :)
 
@badp :D
 
we don't have euro as national currency
 
and, do you think the lag will make it unplayable?
 
The real question is, will Blizzard detect your shenanigans and block you?
 
6:58 PM
no no, I can choose the region I want to play in
but it's a one time choice
 
Okay, downloading
 
and if you want another region you have to cough up 60 euros
 
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