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Q: How can we improve the Town Hall Digests?

The Renamed Exception TL;DR version: If you saw my Town Hall Digests, what can be done to improve them, given Michael Mrozek's format and Yi Jiang's GM script? Should these even exist, and if so, what format should they take? Even though I've said it before, I can't emphasize it enough, so I would like to start b...

Hey there
So do you approve of a meta question instead of a Gallery chat room?
 
Yeah, I think it's more likely to get attention as a Meta post.
 
Agreed
And, it will be eaiser to edit and keep clean
With chat you get a linear convo
 
nods
 
@jjnguy Thanks. Did you see the specific format I proposed?
 
not ideal for re-mixing a chat
 
7:23 PM
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A: How can we improve the Town Hall Digests?

The Renamed ExceptionI am going to propose my own format since nobody else did. If you like this format, upvote it. If you want to propose your own, please do so! Also, please feel free to leave a comment with any changes you'd like to see. I propose one large meta question for the digest, with each answer represent...

 
@TheRenamedException With the mini-avatars?
 
yes
I can make them larger gravatars if you think that's better
 
@TheRenamedException Yeah. Looked good.
 
Cool, thanks. Any suggestions @TimStone?
 
Nope, looks alright to me.
 
7:24 PM
Cool. Did you still ant to help create digests for Gaming @TimStone?
 
Yep
 
Ok. Oner thing I am unsure of is how to work the fact that these will now be questions and answers, so if two people are working on them, they can't collaborate as easily
We could either work it where you candle one TH and I handle the other (or you handle both, HA!), or where we alternate questions and answers for the THs
 
@TheRenamedException You can have temp answers, and then merge them into a master
 
but it becomes difficult if we want to both work on the same question.
@jjnguy that's a very interesting idea
 
@TheRenamedException :)
 
7:27 PM
I was thinking Community Wiki, but I really don't think the final answers should be CW because I don't think other people should be allowed to muck them up
 
@TheRenamedException You can request a mod to lock
 
I.E. if one candidate goes in and edits others' answers :-)
 
And then use a different answer for comments
 
@jjnguy ooooh, another good idea
 
@TheRenamedException That's why I'm a mod...oh wait ;)
 
7:28 PM
:-(
 
Hmm
 
@TheRenamedException You could set up temp answers for each TH question asked.
Then you can have lots of people working on it
as long as they make an edit like:
in progress - do not edit
 
We could Google Docs it for that matter :P
 
@TimStone that's a great idea!
@jjnguy not that this isn't, but Google Docs can be edited simultaneously
 
@TheRenamedException Hehe, I know.
 
7:31 PM
I also have a thingadongdong to try, but it's not quite done yet...
 
@TimStone like, some code you're writing?
 
Yeah
 
And did you see Yi Jiang's script @TimStone?
 
Yeah, it translates the messages into SE-answer-friendly format yeah?
 
Right
Makes it so much nicer than even the copypaste I was doing before
Well I'm excited to see the thingadongdong you're building :-)
 
7:35 PM
I'd give you more details, but in the event that it doesn't work at all I don't want to acknowledge that it existed ;)
 
LOL
There's one other issue to discuss with Gaming's Town halls that I can think of: namely, the plural "halls"
I think it's important that the, oh, @RebeccaChernoff is here
I was asking for guidance on the new proposed TH digest format @Rebecca
 
Yeah, we'll probably just have to do a separate answer for each of them to make it clear that the questions from one weren't just ignored by the participants from the other.
 
And was saying that I think it's important that the candidates from the second town hall get asked all the questions from the first town hall
and then vise versa... somehow. Thoughts?
 
Time travel! squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
 
@TimStone or, we could edit them together afterwards
@RebeccaChernoff I would, but the delorian is in the shop )-:
 
7:37 PM
Space unicorn power!
 
@RebeccaChernoff do you think it's a good idea to ask all the questions from the first town hall in the second town hall?
 
@TheRenamedException No
 
@jjnguy explain?
 
The reason we have a townhall is so that people can ask the questions they want
Otherwise we would just have a list of pre-prepared questions
 
But if I ask a question, I want all the candidates to answer it
Which is not possible due to time constraints of the candidates. That seems unfair
 
7:41 PM
I think I mis-understood your question
 
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Q: 2011 Moderator Election - Town Hall Chat: 8pm UTC on the 7th (now!) and 2am UTC on the 8th

Rebecca ChernoffIn connection with the moderator elections, we will be holding a Town Hall Chat session with the candidates. This will be an opportunity for members of the community to pose questions to the candidates on the topic of moderation. Participation is completely voluntary. I am working with the can...

The town hall for gaming is being split up, as I understand it
 
@TheRenamedException Then, yes
 
because there was no single time which worked for all candidates
Ah, ok, cool
 
the questions should be presented to all candidates
 
ok cool
Do you agree @TimStone?
 
7:45 PM
I think it's kind of a non-solvable problem.
You can always ask the questions from the first one, but then the people from the first one don't get to answer the questions from the second one (necessarily).
 
And any solution by which they could would work in the reverse sense to, making reasking the questions pointless.
 
ahhhhh
I see your point there
 
I don't know that I'd be too worried about it. Questions seem to naturally get repeated in the town halls across sites.
 
@RebeccaChernoff another good point
I was thinking that as questions are posted to the second town hall they could be oneboxed in the first town hall, and any candidates who want to return and answer them could, but, it might be a moot point
Do you think two digest questions then @RebeccaChernoff and @TimStone? That seems a bit much to me, but
 
7:49 PM
Ah, right, I see the problem there.
Sorry, I had forgotten your proposed format for a second.
 
Well actually if as @RebeccaChernoff said the questions are naturally repeated, that shouldn't be an issue
We could alter the format to show the person who asked it in both halls at the top
IDK. We also don't have to worry about that until 9pm EST :-)
Let me ask a more concrete question: How do you want to help @TimStone? SHould we collaborate realtime via Google Docs on the two town halls? This seems like a good idea to me. But we could also switch off, I handle the first one and you handle the second, or, whatever
 
Hmm, it's up to you. If I don't do this one (I'll be in there either way) I'll keep working on this script. :P
But it doesn't make much difference, we can collaborate too (though we should start that soon if that's the plan, since we have six minutes)
 
oh all my UPSes are singing to me now
my UPSes are singing to me now
 
That...seems like a bad thing?
 
yeah we have no power!
so I won't be creating a google doc right now as planned, LOL
 
8:03 PM
@TheRenamedException Crap, and I'm going to be delayed too since my boss just started asking me a question. We might have to do this one a little retroactively, but that's OK.
 
@TimStone that's the advantage of a meta question :-)
 
Yeah, heh ;)
 
OK sorry guys, I will go offline soon, UPSes dropping below 60%...
 
@TheRenamedException Just turn off your monitor
 
all monitors are off :-)
writing this from my laptop
 
8:16 PM
@TheRenamedException Ah
 
still no power!
in The Tavern (General), 23 secs ago, by The Renamed Exception
and the lights are back on again! \o/
 
8:34 PM
Hooray!
 
not powering things back on quite yet, gonna make sure they don't tank again :-)
5 more minutes
 
9:05 PM
okay, whew, finally back to normal
I will set up a google doc momentarilly, need to check some work stuff first
@MarcGravell feel free to give me any input on the Town Hall Digests before I begin!
 
I'll help too once I finish writing this JSON serializer.
 
@TimStone Isn't that already a solved problem?
 
No rush, I just got layed into by my boss for not shutting my workstation down. I was all "I can software suspend it!" and... it didn't wake from software suspend. :-(
 
Yeah, but I need to write a serializer class to pass to GSON for this particular type of object that we have.
 
@TimStone, ah. Makes sense.
@TheRenamedException You got yelled at for keeping your computer on?
 
9:15 PM
@TheRenamedException Ouch :/
 
@jjnguy he said to shut it down so as to not risk corrupting the filesystem. I said I could swsusp and it would wake right back up. it didn't, so i had to fsck and he was not happy
Moral of this story: don't tell your boss he's wrong unless you're sure he is
 
@TheRenamedException Ah, makes sense. Bummer.
 
also, thanks @RebeccaChernoff!
in Gaming Town Hall Chat on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 7 mins ago, by Rebecca Chernoff
Alright, let's officially conclude then. A digest summary will be posted to Meta tomorrow.
The "Tomorrow" bit is nice :-)
Since I now have hit my deployment window for new software for a customer
 
@TheRenamedException She meant to say - "In 30 minutes."
 
LOL
You're cruel :-)
 
9:19 PM
@jjnguy, pppffffft
6-8 minutes
 
Heheh
 
@RebeccaChernoff That's more like it.
 
@RebeccaChernoff what is that, the Stack Overflow development time on crack?
 
The 2nd THC is at 2am, tomorrow...for the silly UTCians and such, so I went with tomorrow. (:
 
makes sense :-)
I didn't get to participate at all. I'll have to make sure to join the second one
worst... timing... evar
Hey @Piskvor. I got off track a little, but this room was meant to discuss Town hall digests:
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Q: How can we improve the Town Hall Digests?

The Renamed Exception TL;DR version: If you saw my Town Hall Digests, what can be done to improve them, given Michael Mrozek's format and Yi Jiang's GM script? Should these even exist, and if so, what format should they take? Even though I've said it before, I can't emphasize it enough, so I would like to start b...

which it looks like he didn't want to do ;-)
 
9:26 PM
Heh :P
 
9:40 PM
Sorry guys, new module deployment problems
 
@TimStone what sort of fool spends masses of time writing a serializer? (nudge... wink...)
 
I get the impression you may feel my pain. ;)
 
@MarcGravell LOL
 
9:59 PM
To be fair, GSON makes this relatively painless. But Java + the requirements of "Make it work for all of my obscure scenarios that require JSON that was clearly intended to be returned from PHP" is a bit..eh.
gets annoyed Grr..
 
the pain is indeed felt and shared; and my stuff is all binary, so you can't even check it visually. Once I spent about 2 hours to manually parse a message byte by byte, only to find that the code was fine - the test was wrong.
 
Ouch, that's uncool. :(
 
"right, take the 3 lsb, ok so that's [one of these], right-shift by [n] and parse that as base-128 octets with continuation, right, now handle that block as utf-8, minding the length..."
 
I think you feel about 100 x my pain ;)
 
@MarcGravell OUCH
Ok the deployment is done. I see 3 minor issues myself, I have turned over to my boss to search for more. I can get a google doc started now, I except a laundry list to land in my IM shortly ;-)
 
10:07 PM
Someone's making you do their laundry? :P
Oh, your boss?
 
yup
Well, since this is my code I guess it's my laundry. He's just pointing out the stains ;-)
ON NOES!
 
Hm?
 
Yi Jiang's script doesn't work in transcripts!
 
@TheRenamedException I think it's short enough to load up in the chat itself.
 
I'll just load a lot of messages in the chat :-)
@TimStone yeah, this one is
 
10:13 PM
nods
 
LOL @RebeccaChernoff
There's the document
@CanSpice for reference, we're creating a Town Hall digest for Gaming, and discussing Town Hall digests in general:
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Q: How can we improve the Town Hall Digests?

The Renamed Exception TL;DR version: If you saw my Town Hall Digests, what can be done to improve them, given Michael Mrozek's format and Yi Jiang's GM script? Should these even exist, and if so, what format should they take? Even though I've said it before, I can't emphasize it enough, so I would like to start b...

 
10:38 PM
Sorry, clients on phone, digest delayed
OMG these two are so funny
 
11:27 PM
Ok @TimStone, I'm back to editing that document (slowly)
 
@TheRenamedException I'm going to try and finish off a few more things and then I'm going to join you. Just so much piling up, meh.
 
Of course! Please don't feel pressure from me
I just didn't want you to think I was preventing you from doing it, I certainly don't want to be a tyrant!
 
Hahah, no, no, I don't think that at all. Just like to do what I set out to do, and get frustrated when that's not working out right, heh.
 
Oh boy, can I relate to that feeling
 
What's worse is that most of it isn't even work stuff...so what the hell am I doing to myself, I don't know. And now I'll disappear for a brief bit, back soon.
 
11:31 PM
Later!
 

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