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6:44 AM
@AndreasmovedtoCodidact If you have to be somewhere at a certain time, trains are nasty. If you're just going for fun, there's some good trains out there.
 
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8:47 AM
@Tinkeringbell This is just torture. There’s no leg space, so my legs already hurt tremendously from just sitting here, and the two others next to me are drinking coffee, so my head and nose are hurting.
Aw :(
That sucks
To go still?
Or already in? :P
You can do it!
8:49 AM
I’m considering taking one of those hammers and shatter the window with it. Fresh air…
Probably also delays though...
Why would there be a delay?
Because the window is broken?
I bet some other passenger will complain, they'll stop the train for repairs or to get a new one :P
Nobody should mind that.
should and would are two different things though.
8:51 AM
Speaking of delays, I only think I’ve experienced one train delay. At least it got me a free taxi ride from the train station to the dorm.
Oh, and my neck hurts quite a bit, too. I still haven’t received an appointment at the hospital. mhm
Maybe their IT system is failing again.
You've either not travelled by train a lot, or the trains there are awesome... Before COVID I already used to have 2-3 delays a week just travelling to/from work. After, it apparently only got worse but now I only use trains for 'pleasure' (and have had delays on all rides since)
@Tinkeringbell I hear the trains around Oslo have a lot of problems with delays. Apparently, it’s a mess down there. So much we got the «bus for train» as a new national term.
Ah yeah, 'treinvervangend vervoer' :P
Mostly, they don't use buses here except during regularly planned maintenance stuff. Their reasoning is that they can clean up e.g. a suicide before they have arranged buses in the right places.
And if there's a massive technical disruption like last week, the excuse is 'there aren't that many buses'
I’ve mostly taken the train between Trondheim and Værnes/Stjørdal, Trondheim-Oslo-Bergen, and in England.
Oh, I've taken the train from my hometown to pretty much all over The Netherlands.
8:57 AM
The delay I had was from the airport to Trondheim. Some guy was running around on the tracks, and hiding from the police when they arrived.
Maybe psychosis. Not sure if that was the guy laying down on the tracks, or pulling stuff onto them.
@Tinkeringbell How positive!
Doesn't matter, you stay away from the tracks. And if you cause other people delays by doing it anyways, you're a bad person.
@Tinkeringbell We just have maintenance, broken rails, or signal errors all the time.
@Tinkeringbell Psychosis is psychosis…
I've had an evacuation because someone was making fake bomb threats (same week as an actual terrorist attack somewhere else in Europe, so it was taken a little too seriously), didn't even get my money back because the cop with the big gun was mean.
I've had trains cancelled multiple times because of suicides.
Which meant either going back home or having a parent pick me up.
9:01 AM
Suicides? In the Netherlands? Why, is assisted suicide expensive?
I've had broken rails and signal errrors too, and cattle/people in places where they shouldn't be.
@AndreasmovedtoCodidact There's this place called Ermelo which has a railway with easy access because of a railway crossing right next to a loony bin.
@Tinkeringbell So it’s unintentional suicide?
No, it's intentional
You don't do something like that 'unintentional'.
Some do.
People fall off our mountains.
suicide implies intention. Otherwise you're in an accident or something.
9:04 AM
Some people fall into train tracks.
You don't accidentally fall into train tracks here. You're either pushed or step onto them yourself.
You may get into an accident while crossing, but those are very rare.
Anyhow, then you fall into the crossing, not the train tracks.
Anyhow, my brother once had a massive delay because 'they lost the back part of the train'.
So I’m never going to accidentally fall in front of a train and get killed by it?
Not here no, you're in Norway.
9:09 AM
@Tinkeringbell Why’d he ride with James Bond?
Or the transporter?
I'm not saying there's never accidents, but a suicide is not an accident.
@Tinkeringbell So?
@AndreasmovedtoCodidact He had to go to school.
@AndreasmovedtoCodidact Well have fun then.
I'm not even sure why we're 'arguing' about this?
@Tinkeringbell Thanks.
What about a suicide would make it an accident?
9:10 AM
@Tinkeringbell We’re arguing?
I put quotes around it :P
My English vocabulary lacks the correct expressions at times.
@Tinkeringbell Well, a psychosis or influence of drugs?
All suicides are accidents, though. It’s the consequence of an accident.
In a way.
Anyway.
Why would getting on the train tracks be 'accidental' then? If I'm thinking of an accident, I'm thinking of cars or bikes getting stuck, or unguarded crossings. These are still suicides, as far as I'm concerned. Even when one could argue that anyone committing suicide is not in their right mind and thus not responsible, like they sometimes do for murder trials too.
@AndreasmovedtoCodidact Anyplace
@Tinkeringbell Because people walk places or do stupid things because their brain is unable to assess the risk.
@Tinkeringbell That’s fine with me.
@AndreasmovedtoCodidact Yeah, so we're basically calling the same thing different words...
> Even when one could argue that anyone committing suicide is not in their right mind and thus not responsible, like they sometimes do for murder trials too.
9:17 AM
@Tinkeringbell That’s standard on SE.
@AndreasmovedtoCodidact Babylonian, perhaps?
Stupid ancestors. Imagine what the world and SE could've been if they hadn't built that stupid tower.
How would you like a very intriguing discussion about the word «punishment»? There’s a very interesting and deeply thoughtful one on MSO.
Sure, but gimme a link first, for context.
@Tinkeringbell Yes, or wouldn’t have made up the story in the first place.
@Tinkeringbell Oh, I was being sarcastic. It’s completely stupid. ;P
I still want the link :P And you still have about 4 hours of time to kill :P
Might as well do something stupid in that time
9:19 AM
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Q: Recognize suspensions as being perceived as "punishment"

CerbrusSomething that came up quite a few times in a recent case on Meta, was that the offending user was suspended. This sparked a lot of discussion. What caught my attention, was one of the arguments raised: "Some of you folks seem to think that suspensions are meant as a punishment. They are not." ...

@Tinkeringbell That’s useful, I can make a big list of victims before I’m caught.
@AndreasmovedtoCodidact That is indeed a silly discussion to have.
But yeah, both can be true.
As a mod, you're not supposed to use suspensions as a punishment, but as a means to get rid of unwanted behavior.
As a suspended user, you're supposed to see this as a punishment for bad behavior, and improve
Hey, I’m done with that discussion!
I want no more of it!
Hahaha
Okay, next point of discussion then.
Lemme dig up something nice and controversial...
I want a second pair of brown leather gloves.
What's controversial about that?
Oh, here's a nice one from the news a while back: People should be forced to turn up to vote in elections :P
9:27 AM
Matters of socioeconomic disparity and environmental sustainability.
@Tinkeringbell Great, more votes for the two biggest parties.
@AndreasmovedtoCodidact They are allowed to cast a 'blank' vote :P
@Tinkeringbell Free votes for me.
Hahaha
But yeah, one of the dangers of forcing voting is that there may be more 'uneducated' votes.
'uninformed' is probably the better word?
How would that be a problem? We already have enough clueless people voting as-is.
I mean, it's already pretty hard to make an informed vote, unless an election happens in a period where I have a lot of time to figure things out, it's practically impossible...
9:30 AM
The second biggest party in Norway is now a bunch of clueless people that have strong opinions and no idea what they’re talking about.
@AndreasmovedtoCodidact Define 'problem' :P For most people it won't be, but I get kinda sad if I see a lot of people voted for something that just doesn't work out well for the majority of the people in this country.
@AndreasmovedtoCodidact Hey, sounds like I could join them!
@Tinkeringbell The world going under because people vote idiots into power.
@Tinkeringbell You’re welcome. Have hope they’ll accept you in. They kinda don’t like foreigners. But you’re not a muslim, so it should be fine.
@AndreasmovedtoCodidact Don't worry, I boost diversity scores in different ways :P
Their solution: ban immigration, destroy every piece of nature that exists, sell every public service, property and ownership to private corporations, and lie to people about everything you stand for.
@AndreasmovedtoCodidact That's kinda doom-and-gloom... and I guess also a bit too absolute? I don't think the world will go under but I also don't see it changing to be better for a majority of people.
@AndreasmovedtoCodidact Sounds too familiar, sadly.
9:34 AM
@Tinkeringbell Kinda not.
@AndreasmovedtoCodidact I mean, I bet there'll be a few bulti-billionaires that will manage to stay alive. And not in a 'no luxuries apocalyptic scavenging for things' way either.
@Tinkeringbell Oh, and reintroduce Christianity where it doesn’t belong, step on people in the name of individual freedom, supply Israel with weapons, etc, etc, the list goes on.
To do so, those will need at least a minimum 'workforce', those aren't going to have good lives I guess though.
@AndreasmovedtoCodidact At least the rightest ones here are secular XD
Nice, but too steep.
Steep…?
Seriously?
Of course, you’re Dutch.
:P
I like my living areas flat. More practical :D
@Tinkeringbell That would be the leftmost here.
More energy-efficient :P
9:41 AM
Not really.
More surface area with hills.
@AndreasmovedtoCodidact There is still some parties here that are Christian, but our 'verzuiling' (column-ing), where each 'part' of society had it's own political party, radio/tv, newspaper etc. is pretty much gone.
@AndreasmovedtoCodidact That's true. Though I bet you can't build just everywhere on hills either, things might wash away or something like it?
@Tinkeringbell No, that’s what happens when you build at sea level.
Or clay.
Hahaha
Earthquakes? Flash floods?
Wel, we are number 1 when it comes to tsunamis.
Earthquakes aren’t really an issue.
Tsunamis, really?
9:47 AM
Except for when they cause a tsunami. Ours are mostly caused by erosion in rocky mountains.
My view at the moment. Lilies are blooming :D
@Tinkeringbell Yay, no more evil kid.
Hahaha nope! So far :P
The lilies have been a PITA too though, there were lily beetles.
@AndreasmovedtoCodidact Ah, like that.
Not too bad then ;)
9:51 AM
Yeah, it’s an exaggeration.
Like everything on the internet these days :P
We had two big ones in 1934 and 1936, though.
I see, yeah, those were rather lethal
I guess the last big deadly water disaster here was the flooding of 1953
We had some major flooding in Limburg some years ago but there weren't (m)any fatalities due to it.
Talkign about water, I'm gonna shower :P
bbl
10:46 AM
@AndreasmovedtoCodidact Huh, interesting. I never learned/realized that climate change would make rock cracks worse too!
 
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11:55 AM
@Tinkeringbell Climate and nature changes affect everything.
Sure. But it's kinda hard to imagine 'everything' :P
Especially when it involves things not in your day-to-day environment
Just consider it doomsday.
The unfortunate side effect of me choosing to listen to Elvellon now, is that I’ll be done with the music half an hour before the bus arrives.
Start it again?
12:29 PM
No???
I’m not insane.
Oh, is the music that bad? XD
No, it’s beautiful.
1:02 PM
Then why not start again?
1:17 PM
😳
I don’t even know what to say to this blasphemy.
I'm really not getting it XD What's so bad about the suggestion to start a playlist/album/song again? XD
Music is holy.
Pick an artist, listen to every album from first to last, repeat a few months later.
Oh, okay.
I could never do that. Just pick some nice songs with a certain tone/rhythm that matches a bit, and play it as background noise, is more my style XD
Disgrace.
Well, I need variation, so I’m not gonna listen to the same music over and over again.
And if I did, I’d never have enough time to listen to the rest in my library.
Oh, I do switch things up, but not just at the end of a playlist (or album) if/when that ends when I'm in the middle of something.
But before/after a meeting, or lunch, or dinner, I might switch music
1:30 PM
I’ve never used playlists in my life.
Actually, I may have done so on my old Sony Ericsson, when I was in elementary school.
I didn’t have much music at that point. It was mostly Joan Crawford (Blue Öyster Cult), Paranoid (Black Sabbath), and a bunch of pop/rap songs.
No, I didn’t pick that library myself.
Zoe
Zoe
Good morning campers
2:11 PM
Good evening, moth.
I wouldn’t really call sitting in the backseat of my parents’ car camping.

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