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Q: Allowing moderators to remove flag bans

DaniilRecently, I had a situation at Travel.SE, where I raised flags in good faith misunderstanding the purpose. Out of 7 declined flags in the past 7 days, 3 were my mistake, 3 were in good faith and 1 was later actioned. Read more about it here: 7 day overkill flag ban Quoting a moderator in Tra...

 
Is it really worth it? I mean, it's just a week where you can't flag. You can still ask and answer questions, post comments, there's no black mark against you. This doesn't seem like a very big deal. Am I missing something?
 
Who flag , it's matter. We flag with good faith not for ban.
 
@Shree yes, I completely understand that it is annoying and unfair, I'm just saying that it is a pretty minor thing and over in one week. Is it really worth spending dev time on this?
 
@terdon Technically: If at least a quarter of 10 or more flags were declined during the past 7 days > If you drop below '10 flags handled during the past 7 days' you can raise more before 7 days are up. If these are helpful, they will also help to make your percentage of declined flags for the past 7 days lower, meaning that the ban might be shorter still...
 
user416943
@Tinkeringbell I have over 25 helpful flags in the past 7 days
 
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@Daniil a moderator on Travel might be able to help you do the math, but were those 7 declined flags all from the same day? (because that's going to make the 'age away' thing a bit harder..) I only mentioned it because terdon said 'just a week' and I wanted to point out it may be even shorter ;)
 
@terdon I am familiar with your good faith . Some time system sucks ....................
 
user416943
@Tinkeringbell Declined flag dates: 22 October * 1, 25 October * 2, 26 October * 2, 28 October * 2
 
@Daniil and helpful flags over the last 7 days?
 
Tom
Your argumentation is really strange. You write "3 were my mistake, 3 were in good faith" ... so the first three weren't flagged in good faith and the other three weren't your mistake? In the end this separation doesn't matter, your flags were inappropriate (and lets hope you always flag in good faith) and a suspension is there to first notify you that there are problems with your flags and to give you time to learn about correct flagging.
 
user416943
@CalvT 22 October * 8, 23 October * 2, 24 October * 9, 25 October * 1, 26 October * 2, 28 October * 5
 
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@Daniil my math says your ban should end on the 2nd then, as at that point you'll have 9 total flags in the 7 day period
 
I think I miss data? Because 7 declined flags out of a total of 34 will give ~21 percent declined (which isn't a quarter) :| (which might be good news, as that likely means you can flag again tomorrow when your flags from the 21st expire?) How many of your flags were handled (Not raised) since the 21st (this might include flags raised earlier but not handled before)
 
user416943
@Tinkeringbell 21 October, 2 helpful flags, no declined ones. Today, no flags
 
user416943
@Tinkeringbell 28 helpful flags since (including) 21st
 
That's only the ones that were actually handled?
 
user416943
12:02 PM
Yes, the ones marked helpful
 
You might've raised flags on the 20th for example, that were only handled on the 22nd. They'll count towards your ban too.
It's a bit of pain to find those in your flag history...
 
user416943
Oh, I can hover over the helpful indicator to see the time handled right?
 
I don't really know :| I'll see mine ;)
 
user416943
So you want the number of flags marked helpful and actioned since the 22nd?
 
I think since the 21st.
Yes.
But that's why I also said a Travel mod might be able to see this more easily...
 
user416943
12:05 PM
I have a disputed flag and a retracted flag as well, does that count?
 
Disputed might...
Oh, no, they don't.
 
user416943
28 actioned flags still
 
Yeah, 7 out of 28 will get you over 25 percent...
 
user416943
around 7 of those are on comments and 2 are disputed
 
@Daniil So was this all flags, or just the helpful ones?
(because I count 27 there alone, add the 7 declined ones and I get 34)
 
user416943
12:08 PM
@Tinkeringbell helpful flags, but i miscounted its 28
 
Makes the ban even weirder :|
Unless it looks at 7 out of 28... but that's not how I read meta.stackexchange.com/a/175405/369802 :|
7 out of 28 makes exactly 25 percent..
 
user416943
apparently comment flags don't count towards a ban or something
 
Oh, that makes the math harder...
 
user416943
if you deduct the comment flags its over 25 percent
 
I've never been good at statistics ;) Well, that makes sense then...
Do you want to do the math for when you can flag again based on post flags? :)
 
user416943
12:11 PM
14 helpful non-comment flags
 
user416943
7/14 is 50 percent
 
user416943
sorry 7/21
 
user416943
over 25 percent
 
Yeah... that's going to be a bit harder to roll over. You're at 33.333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 now :P
How many post flags were handled on the 22nd?
 
user416943
non-comment or all tyes?
 
12:14 PM
non-comment
 
user416943
5 helpful, 1 declined
 
if only post flags count, you'll have 1 declined post flag aging away tomorrow. But if there's also helpful post flags again away, your percentage declined may rise instead of decline :|
So then tomorrow you'll have 6/15 declined for the past seven days... :|
 
user416943
:| indeed
 
user416943
Hopefully the CM can remove the ban then
 
user416943
An email was sent to a CM by a mod
 
user416943
12:19 PM
Anyway, hope is looking dim
 
You're probably stuck waiting until you drop under '10 post flags handled in the past 7 days' :/ Usually a flag ban isn't something that's really, really blocking any participation on the site, but it's also 'no fun' :(
 
user416943
Yeah, do you think the CM will remove it?
 
user416943
@Tinkeringbell That means the ban ends tomorrow...
 
I'm... not even sure they can? But if they can, and the Travel mods asked for it, they might.
@Daniil Overmorrow then, I think... Tomorrow you'll proably be at 6 declined out of 15 total. If there were more than 5 post flags handled on the 23rd, you'll drop under 10 handled in the past 7 days, yeah...
Be careful with your flagging there then, see the link ankii posted on your question. Any new handled flags (even helpful ones) will bring your 'handled in the past 7 days' over 10 again, and then you'll be waiting again until either you get under '10 handled' or until you get under '25 percent declined'....
You might want to stick with comments for the week then ;)
 
user416943
@Tinkeringbell Yeah
 
user416943
12:26 PM
Anyway, thanks for your help
 
user416943
I'll drop in when I get any contact/the ban is lifted
 

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