Trashcan - 2019-04-23

10:35 PM

lol that person joining and parting over and over

> My suspension is officially unlawful, I am in the government "come back in 7 days" I am still suspended! all staff broke the law!!

In the government, huh? Didn't know gov't folks were exempt from suspension!

:P

(I mean seriously I totally get being pissed about a suspension and hassling staff about it, but saying that they broke the law is just silly)

@LittleBowsette Cute avatar btw.

Protip: Just create a new account. It's not hard.

Getting 25 rep (I think it's 25?) to join chat is easy.

And, of course, don't do whatever you did to get suspended in the first place. :P

Family got banned?

That's your IP then. Get a proxy or VPN or something.

Then create a new account with a new IP and don't ask about suspensions.

And, of course, don't do whatever you did to get suspended.

That's a weird reason to be suspended. Are you sure that's the only reason?

You weren't aggressive with staff or spammy or anything?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

If someone else is in control of your account, then that means that a block is necessary to prevent disruption.

forest

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Sure but then you'd think the suspension would be lifted.

So someone else was in control of your account, and that's what happened?

You can absolutely use the contact us link. It's just email.

That's weird...

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

There was one past documented case of a user on a shared school network constantly getting upvoted by their peers, and thus getting suspended for voting themselves up

forest

Create a new account and inquire about that on Meta?

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I'm guessing what happened was bad behavior caused by someone using their account, but staff don't believe them?

Yeah they're detecting ban evasion.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

...in which case their account is effectively compromised, so a preventative block is necessary

forest

10:49 PM

You'd want to use a new IP, new email, and new name. It might be impossible to create a new account with an email linked to a previously suspended one.

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog So allow them to change the password and unsuspend? That would generally solve the issue of transient compromise.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

If you've not supplied enough info about yourself to show others that you're in control of your account again, you'd have to start afresh anyway.

One potential way: create a secret string and publish the SHA-512 hash of it on your profile, then if your account gets compromised you can give SE the secret string and have them SHA-512 hash it and see that it's the same as the published hash

forest

Or an easier way: Use PGP. :P

@LittleBowsette Weird...

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Wikipedia:Compromised accounts

Accounts on Wikipedia may be compromised in a number of ways, allowing the misuse of user access levels, as well as user reputation for illegitimate purposes. It is important for users to take active steps to protect their accounts, especially those with high levels of access such as administrators. This may be done in a number of ways. Users whose accounts are compromised may have access reduced or their accounts blocked or globally locked. == Why accounts become compromised == Both weak and strong passwords are vulnerable, although strong passwords are better. Although this is written ...

forest

But what was your original suspension for?

ArtOfCode

this ain't wikipedia... again

forest

10:52 PM

I imagine the subsequent ones were for ban evading.

The Pentagon? :P

So it sounds like you got banned due to the use of a shared IP?

Has staff confirmed this?

Given your discussion of your family, is it possible that you're underage? Due to various silly laws, SE is required to ban people under 13 (or 16 for some countries).

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@forest In that case, they'd hard-delete the account (instead of just suspending)

forest

ah

Not suspending until the user turns 13? :P

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Nope; SE used to do that but then their legal team told them it's not compliant, since all personal info has to be purged.

forest

lmao

> Who is a pro hacker

The unlikeliness aside, this makes it sound more like you were suspended for being argumentative or something. I usually think that's overreacting on the mods' part, but at least it makes sense from their perspective.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

If that's really the case, waiting some time and then honestly apologizing about what you did may persuade mods to reduce your suspension length to time served.

forest

10:59 PM

I second that ^

Are you sure it wasn't two suspensions or something?

One lasting 7 days and one lasting a year?

I'm not sure if SE works like that, but I've seen sites where that can happen. Two simultaneous suspensions are in play concurrently but only one of them is displayed to you. The result is that after one is up, another seems to appear.

But if you waited the 7 days but was not unsuspended then, you certainly have a right to complain.

By "other sites" do you mean sites on SE? Or totally different websites?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@forest Once the system proceeds to reinstate rights after a site suspension expires, it checks for an active network-wide suspension flag on the network account, and if so, levies it

forest

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog So is that what likely happened?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

probably, didn't see

In any case, whether you or someone else took a suspendable action using your account, you should still be suspended, in the former case for the offense itself, and in the latter case for failing to secure your account.

> I can tell you my account is far more secure than it was before

forest

@LittleBowsette Then perhaps send an email (from a new address) and tell them that. Explain that you've secured your account.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Generally if you wait a few months they will be more understanding, whereas if you email now it's highly likely they will just suspect you're making excuses.

forest

11:09 PM

I mean it's possible that staff don't care or have a grudge against you. In that case the only solution is to either wait out the suspension, or create a new account.

> because my family is suposivly a sock puppet and they are not

Ah, so possible votes from the same IP?

That makes sense. It's unfortunate how common false positives are.

ah...

Why would your family ask about your suspension though?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

> no they asked what they can do to lift my suspendtion and that may have been a red flag to them

You wouldn't mind if I post quotes of your chat bio here, so that others can follow the conversation?

forest

I imagine if they could post it themselves in chat, they would. :P

hm

You really should try using the contact us option.

If they aren't responding, use another email address.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Room owners: would you mind if we continued the conversation here, or would you rather we stopped this here? (This is getting difficult to follow for those who aren't clued in)

forest

Isn't working even with a different address? Have you tried using an entirely different email service?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@forest No, don't peg them with emails. It will be responded to within due course (6-8 weeks).

forest

11:19 PM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Even if no automated ticket is sent?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@forest Never seen that happen.

@LittleBowsette I remember a deleted post from you which I had previously participated on, relating to downvotes. You don't happen to still have a link to that?

To be blunt, when making a decision, SE is going to consider everything in your account history, including deleted posts. So if there's anything you're hiding from us, now is the time to let us know; if you continue to hide things, it will be much harder.

forest

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog By which you mean they will blindly reply "we have extensively investigated your case and concluded that your suspension will be upheld" while not even getting your name right? Aka every suspension appeal ever?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

No, they may reply that after actually extensively investigating

forest

Given how SE handles other aspects of the community, I tend to doubt that. :P

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

On the other hand, if you're honest about things, it increases the chances.

forest

11:26 PM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog They weren't even able to merge my accounts despite me giving proof that I had the password for both of them, all because I forgot the first half of the email I used to log in. I don't consider them particularly competent. :P

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

It's called "protocol".

I feel that this whole chat conversation is fruitless. It can't be followed by others, and it's just leading nowhere. Can we please put this to rest for now?

forest

Given that he hasn't replied yet, I imagine so.

"protocol" aka security theater :D

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

> I can give this I don't exactly like arguing

Given that they perceive being asked for the whole truth as "arguing", this is definitely going nowhere.

forest

I don't think he said that being asked for the whole truth is arguing.

ok, s/he/she/

Do you have a link to that thread then?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@ArtOfCode If you wouldn't mind, please trash all the messages from this one until now? The whole conversation is fruitless for the reasons I pointed out above.

forest

11:34 PM

Memorized it? What was it?

Btw what's the source of your avatar/profile picture? It's really cute and TinEye, iqdb, and SauceNAO aren't working for me.

"ask to move it" not sure what that means

Oh like to Chimney or whatever that thing is?

ah

Rip Google+ lol

Oh, no idea how to do that.

I think paste.debian.net has a chat feature.

forest

11:55 PM

> Catja help me I don't know why I have 296 days left when I was told 7 on feb 13. (quote me in case)

@Catija From that one girl who keeps rejoining.

We've been talking with her about this and it seems like someone had control of her account or something, and she was banned for sockpuppets but the ban was extended beyond what the site said. Apparently the contact us doesn't work for her.

Catija

So, none of those chat messages came until I refreshed my tab.

forest

@Catija The web sockets is probably broken.

Try refreshing with cache disabled.

Alternatively: Turn it off and on again.

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