Tavern on the Meta

2:00 PM

I've personally banned people expressing such views there and so have any of the other mods and admins

It's overall less tolerant of racism and sexism then anywhere else i've ever been on the 'web

@JourneymanGeek Of course it's a choice, it just requires pushing back on the idiots instead of just giving up and using something else!

Not many people are willing to do that though.

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell Assuming everyone has the strength to push back

Tinkeringbell

Which is understandable, because once enough idiots have claimed something as their own, there are other idiots that will assume you're an idiot too... the internet is filled with idiots, it seems.

Journeyman Geek

Well yes

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek Lemme finish :P

Ollie

2:01 PM

No.

;)

sdc stroopwafels Tink

SmokeDetector

@Ollie No such command 'stroopwafels'.

Tinkeringbell

But yeah. A lot of the internet sucks, and people with prejudices suck the most :P

It's okay. I don't need stroopwafels XD

Journeyman Geek

I find that hard to believe

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek Why? Still morbidly obese, I really don't need them XD

Journeyman Geek

No, more a suggestion

magisch

2:05 PM

@SmokeDetector Do they at least pay you fairly?

You're clearly sentient, so you should have to be paid

Journeyman Geek

@magisch Probably paid in spam

SmokeDetector

You'd think, wouldn't you.

magisch

Smoke detector is actually being oppressed

we have a sentient AI and we force it to find spam instead of solve world hunger

SmokeDetector

Here I am, brain the size of a planet, and they ask me to catch spam. Call that job satisfaction, 'cause I don't.

Mithical

(^*Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy* reference, for anyone who didn't catch that.)

SPArcheon

2:10 PM

@SmokeDetector O SmokeDetector bot, the task we have designed you to perform is this. We want you to tell us... The Answer.

magisch

"What is my purpose?" "You pass butter" "Oh my god"

SPArcheon

@magisch shouldn't be @Tink the one to be paid fairy?

magisch

wow

that was a pun on par with my worst ones

i'm in awe

SPArcheon

just on par? I must be tired today then.

I am a person

what is this

is the meta's official chatroom

Kevin B

2:21 PM

i mean

Mithical

As far as anything is "official" when relating to chat... yeah.

*waves*

Luuklag

@Iamaperson its a chatroom alright

did you have to go take the entire starboard again @mith

Mithical

Sorry.

4

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@curious no time yet, go ahead. :)

Luuklag

@Mithical This reminds me so much of clippy

Journeyman Geek

2:22 PM

@Iamaperson That is a good question. Someday we might actually find out.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@SmokeDetector you didn't live 1000000 years yet.

Luuklag

Jun 23 at 17:16, by SmokeDetector

Please don't play with me too much; I'm a serious bot meant for detecting spam, not for playing around with! I've got some fun features, but please be careful not to abuse them.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Rob groot

You saw that coming, didn't you? ;)

Journeyman Geek

@Iamaperson I would say it would be accurate to say its meta's main chatroom

I am a person

@JourneymanGeek ah that makes more sense

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

2:25 PM

@Luuklag hey don't throw things said by adults back at them! My wife doesn't like when the kids do it. :P

I am a person

I just have to ask, how does one achieve 1 mil reputation :)

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

throws basketball to @Journeyman

Mithical

@Iamaperson Very carefully.

Journeyman Geek

@Iamaperson You are Jon Skeet.

Kevin B

i'd argue being careful would be counter-productive

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

2:25 PM

@Iamaperson easy. Get access to the database, run a query.

Journeyman Geek

More seriously, be really good at something, and answer questions with great answers consistantly every single day.

I am a person

@JourneymanGeek there is one other person with 1 mil reputation

Kevin B

mass rep appropriation is best done by brute force, aka answering as many posts as possible per day

curious

@JourneymanGeek Time travel might help a bit too

I am a person

it's not just Jon Skeet

Spevacus

2:26 PM

There are two :)

Journeyman Geek

@Iamaperson Are you that other guy?

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

Four according to SO users page.

Journeyman Geek

o0

Well be one of those

I am a person

@JourneymanGeek what no lol :)

I could never

reach 1 mil

if I wanted to

no, the highest rep I have is 1 k

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

I am a person

2:27 PM

nvm

Spevacus

Three others, I forgot!

I am a person

there are 4

Journeyman Geek

@Iamaperson Well, 30k is a nice, achievable number

I am a person

good point

but 25k is better

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

I never expected to have 10k when starting on SO.

Kevin B

2:28 PM

150 ish days to 30k

I am a person

I started on MSE

Journeyman Geek

@Iamaperson Worst place to start

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Iamaperson not relevant, if you're also active on SO now

Spevacus

true

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@JourneymanGeek nah, MSE is cozy, warm, house. ;)

Journeyman Geek

2:29 PM

Reputation reflects subject matter expertise in SE, and getting good at another site is a good start.

I am a person

@JourneymanGeek math stack exchange is a nice place :)

it's more chill than other places

Oh

...heh.

MATH

He thought you meant Meta SE D:

As did I...

I am a person

2:29 PM

oh

Journeyman Geek

(MSE on meta means Meta)

I am a person

hahahahaha

misunderstanding go brrrrr

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Iamaperson lol

Typical

I am a person

I do have to say though

this chat room is much more chill

than others

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Iamaperson how did you get here then?

@Iamaperson you didn't visit Den during rush hours then. ;)

Now it's in dead mode, so no point joining, but sometimes it's very chill in there.

I am a person

2:32 PM

I mean, it's more chill than like

a lot of MSE chat rooms

(Math stack exchange)

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

hehe

No coffee on Math, surely.

I am a person

don't say that I said this on math stack exchange chat rooms ;)

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

!!/coffee Iam

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 brews a cup of Macchiato for @Iam

I am a person

I prefer plain water but ok

Spevacus

2:33 PM

I think it's a nature of the subject. Math people tend to be quite combative because of how passionate they are about the subject they explore so much. Programmers are similar, but math folk seem to take it to the next level.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

!!/water @Iam

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 No such command 'water'.

I am a person

yes I agree

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

:(

I am a person

lol :(

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

2:33 PM

umm well in Den there is a bot which can pee.

I am a person

@Spevacus that's because math is much more vast than programming

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

Does it count? @Iamaperson :D

I am a person

um

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

lol

I am a person

pee is mostly water technically

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

2:34 PM

Exactly

Mithical

I see Sha's talking about his favorite subject already.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

hehehehe

Tinkeringbell

Works like a charm for users that are new here, I guess. I mean, they all return regularly after that.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Tinkeringbell -1*all

I am a person

how does SmokeDetector have actual rep on SE

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

2:35 PM

53

Q: HomeKit completion block in Swift: Cannot convert the expression's type 'Void' to type 'String!'

I'm playing with HomeKit, and I'm trying to add a new home. This is my code: func addHome() { homeManager.addHomeWithName("My House", completionHandler: { (error: NSError!, home: HMHome!) in if error { NSLog("%@", error) } }...

I am a person

it's literally a bot

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

It posted actual question.

I am a person

why did a bot post a question

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Iamaperson To gain rep

Mithical

It's a user-run bot, not a company-run bot, so it needs actual reputation to use chat and flag posts.

I am a person

2:36 PM

does anyone here play 8 ball pool

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Mithical not really, moderator can give it access to any room, even with 1 rep.

Spevacus

Folks who have the ability to host a SmokeDetector instance have access to the credentials to log into it and can take actions with it. They just typically have no reason to.

Tinkeringbell

@Iamaperson What is this, 20 questions? :P

I am a person

@Tinkeringbell yes

:)

Mithical

Nope. It's 95,030 questions.

Tinkeringbell

2:37 PM

I'm out, that's how companies sneakily get data from you ;)

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

lol

Kevin B

🚽

Spevacus

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 Weeeell... It's probably best if Smokey doesn't have to rely upon "abuse" (even if it's not really abuse considering the good that Smokey does)

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@KevinB thanks!

@Spevacus it's utility bot, so that won't be abuse.

I am a person

@Tinkeringbell they know what your search history is ;)

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

2:39 PM

@Iamaperson who?

Luuklag

@Mithical where are the toilets when you need them

Tinkeringbell

Oh well, then they know the answer to the question of whether I play 8 ball pool too.

( and this is why I prefer libraries over Google :P)

I am a person

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 companies

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Iamaperson hopefully not

Mithical

@Tinkeringbell Both? Both. Both is good.

I am a person

2:39 PM

I mean, I would prefer reading a book than a lot of things :)

Mithical

I have like ten different Google accounts, though.

Tinkeringbell

@Mithical Yeah, both is fine ;) But if you want to keep secrets: Use the library ;)

Mithical

Depends on who you're keeping the secrets from...

I am a person

Depends on what secrets you're hiding in the first place

Kevin B

i couldn't even be bothered to keep a separate work google account

much less multiple personal ones

I am a person

2:44 PM

you can now retract reopen votes :D

this is huge

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Iamaperson nah

Nice to have.

I am a person

I mean

it is big

to see an update this big for once

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Iamaperson It's not bad.

Kevin B

it's useless

I am a person

eh while it's sorta not helpful

it's helpful

Kevin B

2:49 PM

if a question goes from reopen worthy to not reopen worthy, it wasn't reopen worthy to begin with

(or a poor edit simply needs to be rolled back)

Tinkeringbell

@KevinB Human errors are a thing though. If I see something wrong with a post, write a comment, close vote, then the post ends up closed, and edited to address my (and possibly others') comment(s)... I might think it's fine, and vote to reopen. But I might've just as well missed something and if someone else comes along with 'I don't think it should be reopened without X' and I decide to agree? Being able to retract is a nice to have :)

John Dvorak

in which case I'd assume retracting a RV doesn't prevent you from casting a new one later/

Kevin B

doesn't it?

I was under the impression that it works identically to retracting close votes

Spevacus

3:13 PM

Yeah you cannot re-cast a reopen vote after retracting it.

VLAZ

No re-re-open votes. Gotcha.

Spevacus

3:32 PM

@JNat Cross-site spammer: stackexchange.com/users/22265656/onebeautytips

I am a person

3:53 PM

unrelated to the subject but

we did it

we hit 1 billion rick rolls

VLAZ

May Rick forever roll.

Tinkeringbell

@JohnDvorak Not being able to re-cast it isn't too bad for me. I'd rather be able to retract and do my part in correcting my mistake and preventing an unsuitable question from living on the site, than have people think I think it was good enough XD

Kevin B

as a general rule, i only cast reopen votes on posts that should be reopened

Wolf

4:11 PM

@Iamaperson Never Gonna Give you up Never Gonna let you down

@VLAZ lol

Catija

5:11 PM

@Mithical What is it that you want to share?

Mithical

chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/118089/…

Catija

I think that something that highlights how our chat platform helps build community would be a great answer.

Mithical

(thumbsup)

Mithical

5:34 PM

oh FFS, people are really just starring anything I post now, aren't they... *eyes unstar button*

Ollie

Do not star that ^

oh ffs

I said no!

;)

Mithical

I wasn't kidding about the unstar button :P

Ollie

@Mithical maybe a mod answered your plea.

Mithical

...no, I mean I actually unstarred them myself... it's a room owner ability...

Ollie

Oh.

magisch

5:41 PM

Thats an example of the wholesome peepos discussed earlier

It's called :peepoLove: in our discord

Ollie

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

More stars?

magisch

pepe is so expressive, you can have one for every occasion

curious

@VLAZ Very nice podcast, thank you!

magisch

@Iamaperson I wonder how rick astley feels about it

His music is known by a billion people, but why?

I am a person

he probably feels amazing

VLAZ

5:48 PM

@curious :) It's probably one of my favourite episodes.

magisch

imagine you're rick astley

and you get rickrolled

imagine a verb is named after you and in widespread popular use

Dude coinheringaahing

@magisch That actually happened

curious

@VLAZ I had a chat with a visually impaired person during a subway ride once. We were both studying education but in different universities. She was building a small scale volcano to teach visually impaired people about volcanoes. It had never occurred to me that that's an experience not everyone can have

Ollie

6:06 PM

Is it a bug that inbox notes show the raw Commonmark ### headers?

Luuklag

6:38 PM

25

Q: Community VP Questions: What's the best of Stack?

Continuing with my series of questions to you - I've got one that's a bit lighter this week. We spent last week firing up our magic wand and changing things. This time, let's celebrate what exists. I want to know about your favorite contributions (questions, answers, or comments!). These can be...

discussion community-vp-questions

anyone want to put that up on the starboard? ˆˆ

Mithical

Somebody else should post a pinnable message, so I'm not hogging it too much...

Luuklag

meh that looks gnarly

and too late for editing

Mithical

*sighs*

Community VP Questions: What's the best of Stack?

7

Luuklag

Philippe wants to know what the best of stack is.

Well go be on the board then Mithical

Mithical

Welp

Luuklag

6:43 PM

You might need to change the text later though ;)

@Philippe, as much as I like your title, we kinda have a policy to not put tags up there... — Luuklag 50 secs ago

Hmmm did someone seriously go through that question and downvote every answer

seems too much of a coincedence of all answers having exactly 1 downvote

Mithical

I don't mind, though... it brought me back to a multiple of ten. :P

Luuklag

I'll need two more for that xD

Wolgwang

I can now find the jewels of SE in one post. :-D

Kyle Pollard

7:10 PM

What happened to my starboard? They just show big Ms for @Mithical now...

Mithical

Oh, dear.

Kevin B

my resolution is too small to see anything other than pinned messages

Mithical

@KevinB I have a userscript that adds a scrollbar to the starboard :)

Of course, it interacts badly with my topbar script, but it still mostly works.

Luuklag

@KylePollard CSS haxzzz?

Kevin B

the M there should be a star symbol

the post being by Mithical is just coincidence

Kyle Pollard

7:15 PM

@Luuklag 😉

Luuklag

@KylePollard For me they're all flagged

Kyle Pollard

Uh oh

Kevin B

VLAZ

Look, stars are technically on fire anyway. Same thing in the end, right?

Luuklag

yeah your CSS is superior to mine

but then again your a dev, and I'm not xD

Mithical

7:23 PM

Problem solved.

VLAZ

^ seems like spam but then it was edited out.

Mithical

(I just realized that there are four different userscripts visible in that screenshot.)

bobble

I am a lazy vanilla user operating under the principle "if you poke it you'll mess up"

Mithical

I love vanilla as a flavor, but am not a fan of it most other ways...

Luuklag

Did anyone already post Smokey as their favourite SE part ?

VLAZ

7:37 PM

@Luuklag No. Go for it.

Luuklag

7:54 PM

@VLAZ Meh, I already wrote an answer there

@KylePollard Now, what is the real flag...

Kevin B

8:14 PM

the collective boxes are now an absurdly bright orange color

Luuklag

@KevinB hwere

Spevacus

Oh goodness they are

That could afford to be a bit less loud.

Kevin B

heh, i didn't even consider dark mode

Luuklag

@Spevacus yup, same as with the staff button I guess

Catija

It may be due to some Stacks changes, I'll ask Aaron.

Can someone make a MSO report?

Luuklag

8:22 PM

solution: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/367899/…

Catija

Ah, looks like they're already shipping something for the collectives thing, so don't worry about it.

Spevacus

Worries: Dismissed.

Thanks for looking into it. :)

Catija

Yup. :) I know shipping stuff that breaks things is hard on people but it's really great to have people who are already on top of fixes when someone notices the issue.:)

Luuklag

Yeah, I guess stacks is just too big to spot all things before shipping stuff

Kyle Pollard

I am not envious of how hard the work is that the Stacks team does in terms of what can break - that is difficult

My typical PR: update some padding on one element on a tiny page

A Stacks PR: update colors across all network sites and also we touched every page while we were at it thanks

Luuklag

8:26 PM

@KylePollard sounds my typical bugreport ;)

Spevacus

The first comment: lgtm

Kyle Pollard

Spevacus

commit message: did a refactor thing

Kyle Pollard

This is considered a small PR from the Stacks team. It purely does some foundational work. More than 1000 lines touched. 🤯

(okay maybe medium sized)

Luuklag

Here you have a PR for the stacks team @KylePollard meta.stackexchange.com/questions/367899/…

Kyle Pollard

8:31 PM

@Luuklag Might be status-bydesign but I'll double check, seems off

Catija

As the note in the question says, I think that Yaakov will be getting to address or assess concerns when he returns from his break.

Kyle Pollard

@Catija I think it's just the comment about colors in the Stacks docs not lining up, not a comment on the staff indicator

Catija

Ah. I see. :)

Luuklag

Yeah, I use a variable that is quite dark on the stacks website, but turned out quite light to make that image of the staff button less screaming there. So something is in reverse for some reason. Might have to do with the implementation of the Staff label though, as on the Stacks website the elements do use the variable they are named after.

Kyle Pollard

@Luuklag Oh wait - do you have dark mode on on stackoverflow.design? The colors get inverted for dark mode

Luuklag

8:35 PM

@KylePollard ah you've got me!

Catija

Yeah, I think that technically, some bits of dark mode exist network-wide now, so if you're using the variables and have dark mode enabled, the colors will be inverted.

Or something. I don't know.

Luuklag

Perhaps that is useful info to add to the documentation then :) I'll write a MSE post :)

So you can bug Aaron with it later

Catija

I usually don't have to. He tends to monitor stuff that lives in his realm.

Kyle Pollard

Aaron is all seeing and all knowing

Luuklag

@KylePollard If you want to take his pride, go nudge him with this: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/368241/… ;)

Kyle Pollard

9:10 PM

@Luuklag Are these commands you're @'ing SmokeDetector with or just general commentary? 😅

Kevin B

commands

though i don't know all of them

Rob

All the colors are brighter against the dark background, compared to the light background; I'm surprised that the brown (instead of yellow) hasn't drawn some criticism:

Luuklag

@KylePollard yup, f is for false, k is for ok, N is for Not an answer

github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/wiki/Commands#wiki-wrapper

Kyle Pollard

@Rob ^ should be fixed soon, just building now :)

Er the orange part at least

Not sure about the dark brown color if that was related to this fix

Luuklag

@Rob probably due to the general inversion of color, so would be hard to make an exception for that, unless it were to be the "middle" color I think

@KylePollard I think it was always that way

Kyle Pollard

9:20 PM

We are now rockin' an orange free diet

Luuklag

Yeah that looks less obnoxious

And google Cloud turned white

Kevin B

Luuklag

which turns dark blue in light mode

Kevin B

white on that light of a blue probably comes close to violating contrast guidelines

but it's kinda the logo

Luuklag

Yeah it's an image, not text. So it doesn't really matter right

also because it doesn't convey any info that isn't conveyed in the text

Kevin B

9:29 PM

right

Kyle Pollard

11

A: When will the new Stack Overflow badge design come to other sites?

This new profile UI for badges has now been rolled out to all sites across the Stack Exchange network. We also fixed a pluralization bug while we were at it. Here's a few examples: Site Image Meta Stack Exchange Arqade RPG Stack Exchange

Kevin B

: /

Luuklag

@Ollie that meme is deprecated for a reason, please leave it that way ;)

One step further to the responsive design :) Nice job @KylePollard

Kyle Pollard

I really just turned on the feature and cleaned up the code, thank the CoSO team and Stacks team :)

Luuklag

although the resolution on your screenshot loses out on the distinct shape of the RPG badges @KylePollard, to me they just look round, and I do have a big screen to view on

It's better when I expand the screenshot though

Kyle Pollard

9:38 PM

@Luuklag Yeah the table kinda shrinks it, hey? Clicking the image and viewing the full size makes it look better

Luuklag

yup

You might just link the image to your profile though ;)

or just put a screenshot of puzzling in place, it has a more distinct shape

Anyways, I'm off for the night, it almost midnight. That's what you get when you're home alone

Kyle Pollard

👋

Rob

10:29 PM

@KylePollard Thanks.

Rob

10:50 PM

Better comes in different flavors, but tiles 5 & 6 seem inconsistent with an inversion, unless it's also partially with each other. 😀

Kyle Pollard

@Rob I know that vendor colors are inverted differently than the colors from the Stacks framework - I'm pretty certain that those colors are manually specified by the vendor. We have colors manually specified by each team in Stack Overflow for Teams too.

Catija

11:19 PM

@KylePollard That aligns with my experiences. I remember that the color for one of them used to be really... uh... bright... and I recommended they pick something that wasn't so eye-catching. The response I got was that they were trying to use their branding colors, but they picked a different color, it seems. :D

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