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1:29 AM
@forestdistrustsStackExchange - tbf, due to sheer scale, SO rep kinda gets 'inflated'
Also, shockingly, high rep alone dosen't mean you 'get' the system
 
@JourneymanGeek Related to this is what Catija talked about in the comments today. I think this should be explored a bit more.
 
@Spevacus well it can be true on smaller sites :D
 
:)
 
Rep can mean "I'm really good at SE, I'm really good at the subject, or I just keep throwing stuff at the wall and some of it sticks"
Especially if you're an early user
I've often thought of doing a thomas pornin, starting a new account anonymously and seeing what happened
but y'all would probably figure it out from the its and it's :D
 
@JourneymanGeek Yeah that's true... I rarely ever use SO, so I tend to underestimate its size.
 
1:52 AM
I once caught myself complaining about the amount of garbage we get on MSE (blatantly off-topic questions) - ... To an SO mod.
 
lol
@Spevacus now, if it was @ChrisF... :D
 
I can only imagine the amount of work Chris F does that's not visible whatsoever to most users.
 
Well - ideally most mod work should be invisible :D
I'm a bit crap at that
 
Rob
2:47 AM
@Spevacus Yes, it outlines the issue well; which she demonstrated in chat earlier today, and several previous occasions.
After posting 5 long reply comments, she notices that they are talking about a different site. Specific expertise is necessary in the subject area to edit/review (arguably, even to vote meaningfully), if two sites were true duplicates they ought to be merged; but none are really, and each has their own in-jokes / idiosyncrasies / followings / and specificity.
 
3:03 AM
@Rob certain bias here but...
that shoulda been brought up on site meta
 
3:25 AM
 
4:16 AM
@Rob That's not exactly what happened. The first handful were written long before the rest and I was well aware of it being about SU at the time... and then I went away for a while, posted 13 meta posts on different sites... and then didn't remember that specific post was about SU when I came back several hours later.
 
:D
Also - while meta's been taking up more of my time, I'm unaware of a request on SU for adjusting the closure threshold
 
@Spevacus I've posted my thoughts about rep being bad for privileges in a few places. I like to hint at things and see how people react to them.
Don't even get me started on "rep is bad for electing mods".
 
lol
>_>
<_<
(I don't actually think I ever got elected/appointed for my rep, but one never knows)
 
I didn't even say anything SO specific until I started talking about the edit review queue being full most of the time. :P
@JourneymanGeek Eh, the candidate score is where I'm struggling. 20k is a lot more than is really needed for mods. 3k is good - probably enough in a lot of cases - but stuff like meta participation, flagging, actually reviewing - those sorts of things are better than just pure rep.
 
While we're griping about rep, you probably also shouldn't be able to hit 25k rep from a single post :-p
 
4:25 AM
@Catija 20K's important not cause of rep, its cause of tool access
 
That's at 10k
And it's at 7k on beta sites.
... maybe less.
 
IIRC it's 2k on beta sites, 4k for deleting answers/edit tag wikis without review
 
Ah, OK. I think 7k is the site analytics.
2k seems low but I'm too lazy to confirm. :P
apparently that is correct. :)
 
@Catija at risk of excessive corrections, I'm afraid that one's 5k
 
I'm going to lose my cred.
:P
Y'all will think I'm out of touch. Memorizing rep requirements is like knowing the periodic table for a Chemist. ;)
 
4:35 AM
lol
THIS is why multiple screens are good
open up the charts, pretend you know everything
 
I swear there was something at 7k for betas.
Ugh, clearly I'm just getting old and forgetting everything.
Or it's one of the alternate universe things ... whatever those are called.
 
Mandela effect/berenstein bears?
 
That thing, yes.
 
Tina Turner singing holding out for a hero?
(the last one is just me)
 
HAHA I was going to say.
 
4:42 AM
I have a distinct memory of them showing Mad Max 3 with a MTV of Tina Turner singing it...
youtube.com/watch?v=Gcm-tOGiva0 is the version that's real
And I DISTINCTLY remember the same set and stuff...
Wierdly I didn't know about the Bonnie Tyler cover till YEARS later
 
 
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6:02 AM
Ok, I'm being slightly braindead here... but
with respect to this
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Q: We're switching to system fonts on May 10, 2021

Aaron ShekeyTL;DR We’re shipping system fonts as our default font stack. We plan to do this on May 10th, 2021. What? We’re planning on specifying system fonts on Stack Overflow and the Stack Exchange Network. On macOS and iOS, you’ll see things set in San Francisco. On Windows, you’ll see Segoe. On Android y...

Wouldn't it be the browser defaults?
 
6:14 AM
@JourneymanGeek did you mean OS default? My Chrome on Mac has Times, Helvetica, and Courier as default fonts
 
My browser has its own defaults
 
and I believe it's Chrome's factory setting, since I don't have a memory of changing them
so.. looks like they're now enforcing the font to be based on OS instead
 
Which is wierd
or someone's misunderstanding something
since its also easier to change the browser default than the OS default
+ If it follows the browser default, I'll be changing to source sans/source code pro on my end
 
6:38 AM
Well you better go ask a question on the announcement then ;)
 
@JourneymanGeek My understanding is, no. I did ask about whether it would allow people to customize the font to their own, such as dyslexia fonts and that seems to not be the case. I'm not quite sure what it does but I think maybe we know your OS and serve the font we've assigned to that OS based on the list we created?
Does... that make any sense at all?
 
Wouldn't it be more likely that your computer has a variable "system-font" somewhere?
And you direct the browser to use that?
 
@JourneymanGeek Sorry, looks like my statement murk the water... I should have said "the font that SE has predefined, based on your OS", if that makes sense
 
Also, isn't it like the middle of the night, for at least one of you two @Catija , @JourneymanGeek
 
It's almost 2am here. Morning in Singapore. ... almost noon, maybe?
 
6:43 AM
2 pm
I'm exactly 12 hours off
 
Ah so we're exactly opposite.
 
@Catija that's some real dedication there ;)
 
Blame @JourneymanGeek :P
 
Might also explain why you keep forgetting things ;)
 
I got four hours Monday night, six tuesday night... I guess only five tonight. So... probably.
 
6:45 AM
Haha same here, Haven't slept more then 5,5 hours a night this week
Was just busy doing stuff, and then it turned out to be 1 am every time
and the alarm goes at 6
 
(apparently "murk" is not a verb... what should be a better phrase...)
 
The Work-Life balance is awesome, Awake/Sleep not so much
 
That was how I was today and yesterday. Monday I had to take my older son to the hospital at 7 pm (fractured collarbone) and got home at 11 and had to bake muffins for teacher appreciation, so ended up awake until 3 am.
 
@MetaAndrewT. muddied.
I think.
 
@Luuklag Andy kindly lets me sleep in until 7. :D
 
6:48 AM
@Catija oof, that is tough ... How is your son doing now? And you?
 
@Tinkeringbell ah, that's right, thanks!
 
@rene Mostly OK. Apparently collarbones heal up really well and quickly. He's not in a ton of pain and just has to wear a sling at school - mostly to remind the other kids to be gentle with him. If things go well, he can probably ditch that next week.
 
@Catija Ah, slings, the E-Collar of humanity
 
I'm probably going to take most of Friday off other than meetings - hopefully the 3-vote close/reopen stuff won't dredge up a bunch of drama.
But I don't think it will.
 
@Catija Well, and if it does, there's always Monday :)
 
6:51 AM
Mondays are hard because of too many meetings.
 
Heh, that's everyday here lately...
Fingers crossed nothing happens though
 
@Catija ouch, tough one. How is your son now?
Ah you already told :)
@Tinkeringbell same here, monday is meetingday
Don't know who thought of that
 
 
@Luuklag I mean, I wish I had one meetingday. And having it on Monday would mean both a bit of a slow start to the week :P
So far, the last 3-6 weeks have been on average 5 hours of meetings each day, and work having to be done in between those :|
@rene Definitely flag r/a, but it's already gone :)
 
@rene known troll
 
7:01 AM
@Tinkeringbell well yeah, monday is the day that's almost only meetings, other days are also meetings
but also some work
 
I'm almost considering 'tropenrooster', just starting really, really early so I can get more than 90 minutes of uninterrupted programming/testing done.
 
@JourneymanGeek ah, I didn't notice. Thanks for the info
 
@rene I really should be keeping better track of this
Might be a job for team smokey but its a new cartoon and text each time
 
@JourneymanGeek charcoal has a q/a in their SO for teams.
 
7:27 AM
@Catija wow that's rough... get some rest, you deserve it.
 
Journ, Tink, if anyone feels like nuking a spam user: meta.stackexchange.com/users/993923/user919133
 
@Luuklag @Glorfindel uhm... meta.stackexchange.com/questions/364113/… I think you guys understand what's going on better than me, could we get an edit? ._.
 
 
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9:05 AM
@JourneymanGeek it has been Glorfindeled.
 
So it has. And its a great improvement ;)
 
Indeed, that user is struggling to post clear reports/requests, but usually there's potential in their posts. (the OP of that question)
 
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard hence asking for help, cause it was clear both of them knew better than I did :D
 
9:35 AM
@JourneymanGeek ☺
 
 
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11:25 AM
That's one I have never heard before
 
11:49 AM
@JourneymanGeek lol
 
 
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1:04 PM
kfk... KFC.... yummy....
!!/KFC
 
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard No such command 'kfc'.
 
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard yes please
 
Makes me hungry again
 
1:17 PM
Ugh yeah now I want a snack too
 
You're welcome.
:P
You only live once, so why not make this one time as much fun as you can? ;)
 
Ehmm.... because other people will eventually have to pay for it, and I hate it if I'm one of those other people, so why would I inflict that on other people knowingly?
 
1:34 PM
@Tinkeringbell why would we have to pay your KFC?
 
@Luuklag Not the KFC :P But the health problems that come with it :P
 
@Luuklag cause it would be robbery most fowl?
It dosen't make me hungry :D
 
@Tinkeringbell Just get yourself a good funeral insurance ;)
@JourneymanGeek you just ate?
 
@Luuklag I don't eat chickens
 
@Luuklag Oh, I have that already :P Doesn't take away the fact that health care costs are socialized :P
So, unless everyone is lucky enough and I just drop dead without attracting any diseases first... yeah, they're going to have to pay for my mistakes.
 
1:38 PM
@Tinkeringbell well thats the beauty of it, we all pay. So you would need to go full-overboard for you to make any noticable dent in that for me
 
@Tinkeringbell you mean support you when you become sick?
 
we all have mandatory insurance
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard just hospital bills etc.
 
1:53 PM
@Tinkeringbell that's kinda the point of insurance :D
and socialised health care is... well
If you think about it, a form of that with less of the BS ;)
 
@Luuklag well I can see Tink's point to be honest, and it's a fair point. Think she means more being a burden on family, not only financial, e.g. they will have to take care of her, stay with her when in hospital, and overall be sad that she's not healthy.
 
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard More society as a whole, she's talking socialised healthcare
 
heh guess who wrote this?
> Yikes at 10 years-ago me using gendered language
 
Tim? :D
 
(edit summary)
@JourneymanGeek nope
Hint: floating head, but not Shog. ;)
 
2:00 PM
...Jeff?
 
@Mithical hehe, good one! But no.
Someone as old time as them though.
 
Joel?
 
@EkadhSingh he's not just a head. ;)
OK, time's up!
Oct 14 '10 at 20:50, by Andy E's head
@Shog9: from one head to another, I think you need a jar :-)
Chat profile out of synch, but still works, lol
And time for weekly shopping, cya!
 
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard but where did he write it? he hasn't been here a decade
 
only activity since 2016
 
2:15 PM
That's impressive. And a bit awesome
I don't think I was even really active in 2016
My rep charts are fun
and yeah, was kinda low tempo at the time
 
it took me ~ 1 year to go from 0 to 20k
in 2011
 
@Luuklag It's more that 1 person can't make the dent, but if they all live like that... :P
So it's not really an excuse :)
 
same rate got me to 40k
 
Cute charts :D
 
2:30 PM
@Tinkeringbell then you end up paying for yourself ;)
 
then i cut off halfway to 60
 
(that cut off the year, one sec)
 
@Tinkeringbell you're young ;)
 
2:31 PM
@Luuklag I know... just a baby :P
 
I like how my chart has the Meta rep just stab the SFF rep in 2020.
 
@Mithical Would probably have been better if that never happened XD
 
probably
 
@Mithical what does SFF stand for?
 
Science Fiction and Fantasy
 
Ok thx :)
 
not to be confused with SF - server fault
 
Why does the SE community have so much jargon
 
lol
Cause...
we're lazy?
 
2:44 PM
I mean... fair question.
 
@JourneymanGeek cause we pick too long site names
but SFF is not limited to SE I think
 
Also has to do with everything having names, and over a decade a lot of things get named.
 
And the "inner" SE community kinda gets used to it, and it gets handed down
 
Interesting.
@JourneymanGeek then why do people write entire books in the answer section :)
 
@EkadhSingh cause... its fun?
 
2:47 PM
points
 
Something like a site name is a repeated bit of information
 
some of us enjoy going off on meta
 
and answer is ... its own thing
 
3:02 PM
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard I saw that yesterday but I don't know who that is?
 
@Catija Morning
Or it is already afternoon I guess ;)
I'm heading out, picking up the kids
 
10 am. :P
 
How much sleep did you get?
 
4.5 hours?
 
Ouch.
 
3:12 PM
For some reason, that doesn't sound like quite enough...
 
[insert this is fine image here]
 
[insert image here]
 
@Catija I don't either and I have been here longer than you 🤣
 
3:37 PM
@Mithical good job, detective! ;)
@JourneymanGeek even more fun, MSE is also Math.SE
So those coming from there are really lost. lol
@EkadhSingh helps to write less, it's common inside closed societies. :)
@Catija Andy, the famous floating head.... he was very active when I just joined so I remember him. But he has gone below the radar long ago, at least on Meta.
@Catija one and half hour more than me, nice. ;)
@user400654 taken?
hmm whom did I not ping?
@rene 3 hours!
(4 am to 7 am)
Well, 7:15 if you consider sleeping while in toilet and brushing teeth, though it's more like hibernation than sleep.
Who's left unpinged?
Luuk! Well, this one deserves special treating.
sdc tea Luuk
status-pings-done
 
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard you spend 15 minutes doing that?
 
🚽
 
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard Why do you get so little sleep? Kids?
 
@EkadhSingh well. Wife wakes me up in 7, sharp. She wakes me up again in 7:05 and then I really get up. 7:05 until 7:10 I sit on the toilet. 7:10 until 7:15 brushing teeth. Taking my time as like Windows, I'm slow after being woken up from sleep. :D
And it buys me precious 15 minutes of sleep/rest. ;)
But after that... full speed on. lol
 
My morning bus to base leaves at 7:14 from a bus stop two and a half minutes away. I set my alarm for 6:30 to allow for laziness in the morning.
 
3:46 PM
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard So you really got 3:05 hours of sleep. [insert Star Wars liar meme here] :D
 
@Mithical wow you're fast.
@EkadhSingh lolz yes
Sometimes I even go to sleep in 3:30! (gasp) ;)
 
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard I mean, it's just brushing teeth, bathroom, throwing on my uniform, and grabbing my bag... I usually have at least fifteen minutes spare, which I can use to grab a bite to eat. (Although I usually catch breakfast on base.)
 
@Catija at first, yes, that was why I reduced ToS (Time of Sleep) from 5 hours to 4 hours. But then I started to really get into a game (Castle Clash) and over time found myself spending more and more time on it.
My body is kind, so far, and allowing me to keep it up. :)
7 coffee cups a day help, I guess. lol
 
I wonder how many adults are addicted to coffee
 
@Mithical well, for me add various stuff related to the kids in the morning: making sure their food and water bottles are in their bags (they always forget), bringing clothes to my lazy son, brushing teeth to the smaller daughter, etc.
And reading newspaper headlines. ;)
 
3:51 PM
@EkadhSingh I just had my first cup of coffee in several weeks... I don't think I'm addicted. :)
 
@EkadhSingh dunno, but I can tell for sure I'm not addicted as I can stop for a full day without any issue when I fast.
(Yom Kippur)
@Mithical thumbs up :)
Army was the time I got really into coffee, during the night watches.
 
I'm exempt from שמירות :D
(And kitchen duty. And the מסדר בוקר.)
 
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard how do army night watches work?
 
they are very simple devices. If you can't see what time it is, it is night. If you can it is day.
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4:16 PM
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard thanks for making me feel special :)
sdc icecream Shadow
@Mithical yeah ofc, the scriblescriblescrible ;)
 
guard duty and morning inspection, in English :)
 
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard lucky you. Skipping coffee in the morning equals headache
@Mithical sounds like your lucky. You can sleep in ;)
 
Not always... but sometimes, yes. :D
 
That's because you're not stationed at base?
 
no, perks of my specific position
 
4:23 PM
Sounds cool, I don't thibk I'd like sleeping in baracks
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard your wife should drag you to bed earlier. Sleeping less then 6 hours a night highly increases your chances of getting alzheimers later in life
 
4:44 PM
Why does flagging require 15 rep? When users with less than 15 reputation see a bad post right now, they simply send it to the community team, which wastes more time than simply flagging it. Is there any advantage to this system?
 
5:16 PM
@EkadhSingh It applies a bit of a barrier, so we don't get too many bogus flags. You'd be surprised how many there are.
"Shouldn't be closed" "Please intervene and make a decision"
And that's from people that do have the reputation to flag: They have some limited experience on the site already.
 
also, you don't want to get socks with red flags
 
Imagine what would happen if any rando/anonymous user could flag .... especially what John said: Imagine if they could red flag.
 
@Mithical how... how you got פטור from all those?! :P
 
@JohnDvorak I wasn't done yet :P
 
Apologies for stealing your work :P
 
5:19 PM
@Tinkeringbell of course, I forgot to take into consideration the trolls (facepalms). Thank you :)
 
@EkadhSingh tick tock? ;)
Well, I mean we guard the base, one or two soldiers in a tower or gate.
 
Question:
 
If one caught asleep, he gets punished.
 
Is it a bug that I can raise mod flags on deleted chat messages?
 
5:22 PM
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard I can do it on deleted posts, but chat messages are more akin to comments aren't they...
 
chat messages are chat messages
they're... above comments, below posts
 
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard I meant how long is night guard. Probably should have been more specific :)
@user400654 I would say comment rules are a lot more strict than chat message rules. (Or at least they should be, in reality probably less than 50% of comments are actually on topic for comments, my comments included.)
 
@Ollie I think it's good. If you have someone insulting you and then deleting it, e.g. to avoid it being r/a deleted and the auto-suspension... you still need to be able to flag it?
 
Oh yeah that's a good point
Let that be a warning to anyone insulting.
sdc cupcake for @Shadow
in Sandbox on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 22 mins ago, by Xander Henderson
smacks @Ollie with a rolled up newspaper
 
@EkadhSingh i would agree with that statement, but only because comments are more visible. My point was more that comments are considered not important generally. Chat message on the other hand... in chat there are no questions, answers, comments, the chat messages serve the purpose of all three
 
5:30 PM
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard gone
 
@EkadhSingh oh, it changes per base/unit. Usually 8 hours, but also had some that were 6 hours, 10 hours, and even 12 hours. My most intense period during army was whole week where I did 12/12 watch duty: 12 hours of watch (either guarding the base or out in patrol) then 12 hours of rest.
@Ollie thanks!
@JNat thanks!
 
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@Luuklag well you are! :P
 
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard 12 hours of night watch for a week, sounds like fun. :P
 
@Luuklag gone
 
5:34 PM
@Luuklag oh, in ordinary days I must have the morning coffee otherwise I fall asleep... when fasting I don't work or drive.
 
@Luuklag gone
 
@EkadhSingh not only nights, I'm not sure but think I got the 6 AM to 6 PM shifts. Pure luck.
@Luuklag oh, she tries. But not enough, probably. :D
 
@Ollie gone
@Ollie gone
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog gone
 
gone train on its way
who's next?
 
no one
all the backlog's gone
\o/
 
5:43 PM
Nice!
Fast and Furious @JNat :D
 
6:08 PM
(Sorry D:)
 
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard :)
 
@Spevacus gone
 
/o/
 
 
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