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1:41 AM
ARGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
I hate computers.
Does anybody have any idea what to do next if stackoverflow.com/a/35824116/616460 doesn't work?
I don't have time for this shit.
 
2:19 AM
Cry.
Smash the computer.
 
user202362
play with your cat for 5 minutes, then try again
 
@That's actually not a bad idea
 
2:36 AM
Tried that.
I've got a client, giving a demo of a product tomorrow afternoon, working great for months and decided to go on the fritz today, and I haven't been able to get jack shit done today because I've been stuck messing with git and now this SSL crap all day.
My tools are failing me.
In any case, if anybody's got any ideas:
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Q: Unable to correct sudden "server certificate verification failed"

Jason CI have the following problem: I have two machines here, a PC (Windows) and a Raspberry Pi (Raspbian). I have a git repo on gitlab.com, using an https URL. On the PC, I have been using and continue to use git (command line, git shell) with zero issues. On the Pi, today I can no longer access the...

I will buy you chocolates and have them shipped to your house.
My favorite chocolate covered pretzels could be yours.
 
> Playing with my cat for 5 minutes and trying again - This does not seem to be working.
@Telkitty didn't work ^
 
user202362
I have plenty of chocolate laying around, I am not big fan of chocolates.
 
user202362
Lemme guess, you have not touched github for ages @jas
 
I use github a decent amount. I didn't set up this repo.
This one's on gitlab.
@Telkitty The snack reward is negotiable assuming a reasonable price, lol.
 
user202362
are you the only one who has access to the certificate, could someone else generate a new one that you are not aware of?
 
2:49 AM
@JasonC How does it feel to be the Bourgeoisie?
 
I don't know anything about certificates. I just... typed the repo URL into the git command. I've never dealt with any certificates.
@bjb568 Freakin' amazing.
 
user202362
If I want reward, chat isn't the place, I am here to chill, looking for the next victim as an apex 1337 tr011 ... and accidentally help someone sometimes
 
:3
 
Everything I know I learned from my upper middle class white Republican parents and their surrounding bubble.
 
@JasonC another possibility to try: stackoverflow.com/questions/21181231/… (including correcting the time?)
 
2:52 AM
Oh oh lemme try
 
user315433
A possible explanation: the proletariat seized the means of production, such as SSL certificates.
 
@AndrewT. Oh shit I think you're on to something here. Setting up ntp now. The system clock got reset.
Wait it's already enabled, wth...
Boom
Awesome
@AndrewT. THANKS. That was a ridiculous waste of time. And for such an obvious problem.
I wonder what happened, though. It's already got NTP configured, although it was using my router as the NTP server. I wonder if the router is on the fritz. Usually it works.
Oh well. Now back to solving vague unreproducible problems.
 
3:37 AM
That's the best sort
 
 
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5:01 AM
Christ.
@JourneymanGeek This one turned out to be all sorts of stupid.
This project is this little Pi-based streaming music player. The problem? Turns out the client forgot to pay their Spotify bill.
And even better, it exposed a secondary problem where Spotify login failures grow the error logs and fill the SD card, making everything else fail in strange and wonderful ways. Which I really should've seen coming initially. Oops.
What a stupid day.
At least I figured it out.
Or I assume I figured it out. That's what happened on my dev hardware anyways. Now I have to go to their office tomorrow AM to check their device manually, since I can't push a software update to it, presumably because it's out of SD space.
To that, I say: (-.-) ̿ ̿'̿'\̵͇̿̿\з
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: 5 Ideas To Gain Muscle Fast by jornsjorns on superuser.com
 
5:17 AM
@JasonC I consider rpi's trouble
especially with the system running off an SD card
 
Oh they suck.
 
(if you're using n00bs and have the power budget, running it off USB is just so much more reliable)
 
And SD based systems are a consistent nightmare. I have so many stories, from Gumstix to Beaglebones to RPis to Colibris.
 
Well, which is why I run my htpc set up off my third brix (the other two died), off a hard drive that's died and come to life at least twice....
 
The only success I've had is one Gumstix-based system we used I spent like 3 days of Linux bullshit setting it up to be completely read-only. Nightmare when their hardware changes and isn't compatible with the SD image any more, but at least that one turned out solid.
That happened after 39 out of 40 SD cards (all Kingston, only a rogue SanDisk survived) all completely failed after 3 months within 4 days of eachother. Gotta give them consistency, at least.
That was extra fun because those were buried under the floor inside some crap under some crap in some crap through some crap under some more crap in a shopping mall on the other side of the planet from me in Dubai.
Which, btw, was weirdly interesting. On those cards, I wrote a program just for shits to see if I could spot the corruption, I compared the SD cards to their original images and looked for long blocks of matches with one different byte (to try to filter out normal changes). In every case, on every card, the corrupt bytes had the 7th bit flipped. Filed away as Things I Don't Want To Understand.
 
5:48 AM
Actually my favorite part of that whole thing was later, when I mentioned it in passing in a comment on unix.se, some guy tried to argue with me and tell me that it didn't actually happen. Because lol.
 
Its not the SD cards on their own though. Every damned SD card I had in my pi works fine for other things
course I had a model A, which is uniquely ... turdy
 
5:59 AM
back..
@JasonC good to know that solved the problem!
 
6:47 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer, email in answer: How can a Horror from Beyond Reason reliably communicate with mortals? by anna on worldbuilding.SE
 
7:00 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer: Lines of PLA not sticking to the bed by user351426 on 3dprinting.SE
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer, blacklisted user: How to straighten PTFE tubes? by user351426 on 3dprinting.SE
 
7:54 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer, blacklisted user: Proper way to describe saving canvas to server? by Jay Lee on ux.SE
 
 
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9:00 AM
Inspired by Be Nice Policy of StackExchange:
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Q: What are the Hindu Code of Conduct (Ethics)?

PandyaCode of Conduct or Ethical codes are very essential norms, rules and values that guides the right living practices and standard behaviour for individual as well as social welfare. For example Code of Conduct for organizations or project-- StackExchange, Ubuntu, Python, GNU Health etc. Similarly...

 
9:19 AM
Ohayo Gozaimasu!
Welcome back to our special Downvote Classroom.
Say hi to your teacher, Koro Sensei.
 
user202362
 
user202362
9:53 AM
 
10:06 AM
whoa
@Pandya nice! Congrats for the diamond by the way!
@JasonC my pleasure! :)
@JasonC nah, doesn't matter. Bug report which is by design might as well be a support question. @Oded often retags such bug reports to support.
(personally I prefer a tagged , but can't fight the gods.... :D)
 
10:22 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question: no company registered to do the application by marios on startups.SE
 
11:14 AM
nice... never noticed there are unicode characters for the three wise monkeys
🙈 🙉 🙊
 
11:45 AM
@Derpy phone? Or did you find on a site?
 
12:36 PM
I thought chat was awfully quiet this morning.. but I forgot I had restarted my browser earlier and forgot to reload the page
@Telkitty that cat either doesn't care at all, or is really really scared
 
user202362
or next moment, ready to jump up and tear that sloth into pieces :p
 
1:23 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Phone number detected in answer: Installing Purchased App On New Device? [PlayStore ISSUE] by pogo help on android.SE
 
@SmokeDetector shame, not baba
 
user202362
those poor bottom layer trolls >_<
 
2:03 PM
!!/coffee
 
@ShadowWizard brews coffee for @ShadowWizard
 
!!/coffee
 
@Hexacoordinate-C brews coffee for @Hexacoordinate-C
 
2:26 PM
Coffee helped, another WAG'er! :D
 
 
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user315433
3:41 PM
33
Q: HTTPS: It's time

Nick CraverThis is a heads up, and a request for help. HTTPS for our entire network is long overdue, but we've been working hard on it behind the scenes. Expect a pretty big blog post when we turn it on everywhere that details the journey. There are a few lingering questions on HTTPS we're not confident i...

 
user315433
4:01 PM
3
Q: Roadmap to HTTPS: serving and uploading HTTPS-images only

m0saThis is a cross post from mSO, but affecting the whole network. 1. is already enabled network wide, 2. and 3. will be enabled shortly on mSE and another SE community (main site + meta) of our choosing for the first round of site-wide HTTPS testing. In the next 6-8 weeks, we'll be rolling out s...

 
Anonymous
4:16 PM
@Stijn If we're being pedantic, lowercase-m is a more proper way. Prevents confusion of Meta Stack Exchange and Math Stack Exchange. — Undo 2 mins ago
 
Anonymous
I don't see why that's a problem; everybody knows the proper abbreviation for Math Stack Exchange is 𝕄SE.
 
@JeremyBanks finally, a use for that 𝕄 key on my keyboard
 
Anonymous
I always knew European keyboards were weird, but I didn't realize they were that weird.
 
Anonymous
MathOverflow, naturally, is 𝕄O̥̮̫̊̑̃͌.
 
user315433
There are 13 sites (excluding Meta) with M as the first letter of the name, from Magento to Mythology
 
user315433
4:23 PM
Need a lot of fonts to keep them apart.
 
Anonymous
Give me ten minutes and a character map. (edit: offer revoked this is hard)
 
Here's one: ℳ
 
user315433
Yeah... will have to do something else, like gasp use more letters
 
user315433
I think Mathematica is MMA.SE and Mathematics Educators is MESE.
 
user315433
Don't know if others have stable nicknames.
 
Anonymous
4:27 PM
 
user315433
(box)SE on the screen of my Windows 7 computer (Chrome).
 
user315433
But boxing is a martial art, so this is appropriate.
 
Anonymous
status:by-design SHIP IT
 
user315433
> A math teacher owns a glass paperweight that allows him to smell every dandelion in Glasgow at the same time. -- Magic Realism Bot at 6:10 AM - 6 Mar 2017
 
user315433
I do have such a paperweight (a gift from a former student), but never knew about its hidden feature...
 
user315433
4:38 PM
Also, not really into smelling dandelions...
 
5:42 PM
 
user315433
@SmokeDetector Considering the previous posts by that user (now deleted), I'm spam-flagging
 
user315433
(Unfortunately, I forgot to !!/report them but there were two answers I spam-flagged, both marked helpful by a mod and posts deleted)
 
user315433
6:00 PM
Embedded flair in pro tem mod announcements became a victim to https switch. :( meta.space.stackexchange.com/posts/298/revisions
 
@NormalHuman Yeah. I need to figure that out sometime when I'm not busy with other things. Looked as if it's fine for existing posts, but I'm gonna need to add a bunch of s's when I edit them.
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A: New users can't create new tags: show a singular or plural message?

Jeff Atwoodhttp://twitter.com/codinghorror/status/1165936105 Dear Next Person Who Opens a Pluralization 'Bug', I will personally come to your house and bludgeon you to death with a giant S But not you. I like you. You're nice.

I don't know why people decided to add a second hypertext transfer protocol.
(I do, but it's no less annoying.)
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, pattern-matching product name in body, pattern-matching website in body: What is Secret Allure Cream? by sreemons on drupal.SE
 
user315433
@JonEricson It's fine so far, because HTML was not rebaked yet. But the Markdown is already changed to links from embedded images... so with a rebake all those may break...
 
user315433
Unless there's going to be an automatic https conversion for the flair, but then I don't understand why it wasn't done when the Markdown was changed to links.
 
@NormalHuman I do recall a dev swearing noticing flair would be affected. I assume there is a plan, but I suppose I should make sure.
 
6:10 PM
Didn't you link to that earlier, @Normal?
ah, nope, different room
 
user315433
Yes, but that doesn't mean I read it....
 
user315433
Roadmap to HTTPS: serving and uploading HTTPS-images only says that Imgur links were moved to https, and others are in step 3.
 
user315433
And flair is not imgur.
 
dang, where the hell was that?
 
user315433
OTOH that 4 step plan does not mention changing Markdown to links before https move; the order of events still doesn't fit (and doesn't make much sense) since the flair is https accessible.
 
6:42 PM
 
 
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user315433
8:18 PM
Is Grace on vacation? The question collection on SU is posted by Jon instead...
 
user315433
2
Q: 2017 Moderator Election Q&A - Question Collection

Jon EricsonSuper User is scheduled for an election next week, March 13th. In connection with that, we will be holding a Q&A with the candidates. This will be an opportunity for members of the community to pose questions to the candidates on the topic of moderation. Participation is completely voluntary. ...

 
@NormalHuman Just easing the workload today.
 
8:44 PM
posted on March 06, 2017 by Jess Pardue

Welcome to the Stack Overflow Podcast #103, recorded Thursday March 2, 2017 at the Stack Overflow HQ in NYC. Today’s podcast is brought to you by tree people, Purim, and She Geeks Out. The post Stack Overflow Podcast #103 : Grandma, is that you? appeared first on Stack Overflow Blog.

 
9:33 PM
Greeting, oh Awesome @Jason! :P
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, bad keyword with email in answer, email in answer: How to build a U.S. credit history as a worker on a visa? by james on money.SE
 
@AndrewT. It was a relief. Do you want some chocolate or cookies? Lol. I have to follow through on my offer.
@ShadowWizard Haha, oh man.
Awesome.
@Shog9 Is there a way to either get all things said in chat by a certain user, or get the complete transcripts back to the start of time for a room short of scraping the transcripts and avoiding a throttle? Maybe through the API or a secret endpoint or something?
 
9:49 PM
@JasonC sure
I mean, I can query the database
Otherwise, scraping isn't really that hard
 
Oh oh oh can I get the full transcripts for this room? I want to put together a list of most common words per user for fun.
 
I believe someone even posted code for this on Stack Apps
 
Oh cool I'll look there.
 
@JasonC lol
@Jason well, turns out they have ping leaderboard, guess they can easily find most common word for each user as well. ;)
 
9:52 PM
Eh nothing on stackapps
 
Oh word
I wonder if he solved / I can solve their missing message problem.
 
I feel like I talked to him about it via email at one point, but don't recall the details
 
What's a good target maximum request rate for transcript scraping?
 
@Shog9 why email and not via comments/answer/chat on SE?
I mean... isn't this the point of Meta? :)
 
user315433
9:55 PM
Shipping chocolate from U.S. to Indonesia is a somewhat risky proposition... Maybe there's a local chocolate supplier that can be used instead.
 
I found the email chain:
> I just don't feel like it's fair to give you something you can't get by consuming publicly-available data. Obviously I would exclude things like deleted messages, but still... It feels like dirty pool; why should you get this while someone else would have to parse the transcript in their room. The whole concept of SE is open exchange of information; your work should benefit others, and I'd be discouraging that.
Last reply indicated that he was hitting the rate-limiter & not detecting errors; slowing it down fixed the missing messages problem.
 
@NormalHuman chocolate?
 
@ShadowWizard the simple answer there is that he sent us an email, and we usually try to respond to those
 
@Shog9 well, I would expect a reply like "Post on Meta and we'll take a look". No?
 
@ShadowWizard he'd already posted on meta. He wanted a list of IDs to help him debug his script.
 
9:59 PM
(I see many reports mentioning this)
 
So I gave him a couple of not-very-useful debugging hints and the explanation above.
 
@Shog9 oh. OK, fair enough! satisfied
;)
Thought this all happened before he came to Meta.
 
There's a more complicated answer wherein I explain how responding to emails is useful in honing my ability to write understandable responses before doing so in public, and then go off on a rant involving quotes from an old Fred Allen book... But, meh.
 
user315433
> I'm adding all of our properties to webmaster tools under https://. I'm up to 3 captchas per site addition now. I hate my life. pic.twitter.com/0bYYTbz0PL -- Nick Craver at 12:46 PM - 6 Mar 2017
 
user315433
Speaking of rate limiting... poor Nick.
 
user315433
10:02 PM
Should hire some of those spammers to do the work.
 
@Shog9 just curious, how many email responses you write every day, in average?
 
@ShadowWizard not that many anymore, thanks to animuson and JNat
 
Good for you... more time to write fancy scripts, I guess. :D
 
something
 
10:06 PM
Oh and by the way, thanks for nudging @Oded to fix the API for the dupehammer new mechanism, you said you'll do that and he really fixed it earlier. :)
 
@ShadowWizard ya. See, I told you it was the API.
 
user315433
Grr, there are ~2K comments with "what you have tried?" and they are not auto-deletable. The advantage of being ungrammatical...
 
@Shog9 so android app is also "fixed"? Didn't check yet.
 
Should be, yeah
 
Awesome. Self-fixing app.
 
10:08 PM
Insofar as it was working fine yesterday (displaying whatever the API sent back)
 
Wonder if the iOS app revisions also work fine with this new mechanism. Wish I still had iPhone to test it with....
 
BTW, to give you an idea of just how much help those two have been... I have about 9K tickets to my name in ZenDesk (what we use to handle email support), compared to ~16K for animuson and ~19K for JNat. And that's in the < 2 years they've been "workin' on your problemz"
 
@Shog9 whoa... they deserve a badge for this! :P
(but yeah, it's really good to split this tedious stuff among as many people as possible)
 
There are probably 2 years worth of emails in GMail that aren't counted there, but I doubt they make that much of a difference - email load is/was increasing at a pretty extreme rate.
 
@Shog9 gmail? People reach your private email?
 
10:12 PM
@ShadowWizard team@ has/had a dedicated inbox, so originally Jeff just logged into that and replied to every email... Then we all just logged into it and did the same.
Prior to setting up a dedicated "Ops" team, we had a rotating schedule for the bulk of the tickets... Problem is, you were essentially guaranteed to get nothing done during that time, and by the end of it almost everyone had a backlog after their day/week/month whatever
 
@Shog9 I see. And when did you start using ZenDesk?
 
2013-ish, I think - that was Tim Posts' first project
 
Quite the project... :)
My company also went through something similar... first we had a shared gmail account, then jumped between several free services. Currently using FreshDesk mainly because its integration with slack.
 
Yeah... It was a decidedly mixed bag at first - if you've never used it, ZD is an Ember web-app, and like many such things is horrifically inefficient compared to GMail.
(not as bad as Slack though)
 
@Shog9 but it's dedicated to tickets, no?
(not really familiar with ZD)
 
10:19 PM
@ShadowWizard yeah... Well, it has a bunch of different features. You can run a public support forum off of it, for example. We just use it for tickets.
The underlying API is pretty good - simple, fast, generous rate-limits.
The web interface... Eh
 
@Shog9 so build your own interface using the API. ;)
 
I've written an extension to integrate profile information from SO/SE, provide direct access to common actions, etc.
@ShadowWizard that sorta defeats the purpose of paying for it
 
@Shog9 nice, and all CM's use it? (those who deal with tickets)
@Shog9 true, but if it would be better... :)
 
@ShadowWizard unless they turn it off. It's not mandatory
@ShadowWizard ...then we'd be paying me to build and maintain an app to integrate with a service we're also paying for
 
@Shog9 I bet you're cheaper. :D
But yeah, agree it will be silly.
 
10:26 PM
@Shog9 Sweet, this shouldn't be hard at all.
Thanks
@Quill Also lol, "please reply me to my box".
 
@JasonC FYI, that lady cheated on him, she also sent me same email.
 
@JasonC it's not; honestly, you could do it in JavaScript w/ on-the-fly word or n-gram analysis and probably make it even simpler. Though, figure you'll need probably a couple of hours to pull the entire history of the Tavern.
 
@ShadowWizard Did you reply her to her box?
 
@JasonC no, I lost her box
It was right on my desk...
 
Kinky
 
10:31 PM
Only in your head... :D
 
you're not helping.
 
Who? Me or @Jason?
 
Or the general "you"
 
General You is always helpful
 
Unlike that surly old General Failure
 
10:34 PM
Until You is Fired
And with that, time to go.... :-D
 
10:57 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Keyboard for programmers? by ArtOfCode on hardwarerecs.SE
 
11:18 PM
!!/reboot
 
Goodbye, cruel world
 
user202362
11:32 PM
 
11:45 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword with email in body: Hacking services by cyber on security.SE
 
user315433
New job ad: Office Co-ordinator. SO is historically anti-hyphen but the London office may be harboring hyphen sympathizers...
 
user315433
> ensuring that our staff are fed and kept well caffeinated throughout the day
 
user315433
> Send swag packages to clients and new starters
 
user315433
The list item about "High attention to detail" has broken formatting. :-)
 

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