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Yeah, looking through @Quill, there's quite a few places where it would look much better to stay on one line. For instance: github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/pull/159/… (also why the format there? Makes it harder to understand at a glance)

Also say with github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/pull/159/…, that looks much better as-is.

Quill

12:51 AM

@hichris123 I could condense that one (as for the indent that was a flake8 warning otherwise)

@hichris123 are you saying my version looks better or the original (cause I'm a little confused)

hichris123

The original.

Also with github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/pull/159/… I don't see the need for the change. tl;dr it seems like there's a lot of unnecessary linebreak adding. ;)

Quill

it's a cleanup, that's the idea :p

hichris123

But it's perfectly valid stylistically. And it doesn't seem to enhance readability.

Everything passes PEP8 (except for the 80 chars bit, but 80 char restrictions are annoying). The naming changes are good, but changing style and not enhancing readability doesn't seem to help.

Quill

code styles and readability are opinion at their core... I just share the group of opinion that thinks a dictionaries properties should be on new lines each if there's more than one

hichris123

And that's a valid opinion, if it makes the code easier to understand. But with that, it doesn't seem to make it any quicker to parse or easier to understand.

Quill

1:00 AM

regex replace is beautiful in atom: Thread\(\n[ ]+target=(.*)\n[ ]+args=\((.*)\)\n[ ]+\)

Quill

1:11 AM

haha I got in a docstring conversation once before from the other side of the coin

""" are reserved for docstrings and should not be used for multi-line strings? Do you have any other source for this suggestion? Multiline strings are quite handy to use, I don't know why I should stop using them. — sebix Sep 5 '15 at 15:59

hichris123

@Quill You missed the ones in the other files. :P

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user202362

6:23 AM

Quill

8:38 AM

[ FireStarter ] A message in The Nineteenth Byte was flagged.

Quill

9:08 AM

it must be really painful to have those kind of conversations as a CM...

Foo Fighters - Everlong

►

PhMgBr

9:55 AM

@Quill Why does this message take me to a 404?

Shouldn't it link to the transcript if the message is removed?

Quill

10:21 AM

ArtOfCode moved the whole block to the trash

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rene

11:15 AM

@ShadowWizard your request is honored ...

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rene

@canon another bug report caused by the side effect of including the script tag in the body. Not sure if that needs a fix by you or by @Haney

PhMgBr

@rene you're the most reliable notification system a man could wish for.

rene

Sure

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rene

11:30 AM

sd 3k

@rene thanks!

np

@PhMgBr and a woman?

@ShadowWizard I think @rene's wife will not allow that.

Shadow Wizard

I don't think @rene has a wife. :/

PhMgBr

11:32 AM

He'll have one one day

Shadow Wizard

@PhMgBr umm... can't be sure. Many people live happily ever after without a wife, so @rene can be one of them... ;)

PhMgBr

But flowers need to . . . you know . . . not get extinct

Esp. the blurry type.

He's one of the few of his kind.

OK damn you @Sha

I just forgot what I was doing

Oh right

I was reading about Henderson-Hasselbach and editing a post on ELL.

. . . and copying rendered ellipsis and using it

rene

@ShadowWizard \o/

PhMgBr

@rene Is this a yes, or a no?

rene

very much yes

PhMgBr

11:45 AM

And the next three messages?

rene

no comment

PhMgBr

(┛◉Д◉)┛彡┻━┻

(╯°ਊ°)╯︵@ɹǝuǝ

Shadow Wizard

@PhMgBr blech

:D

@PhMg you see, @rene is a happy flower. Why become unhappy? ;)

PhMgBr

@ShadowWizard As a 17-yo, I've heard women are the only misery men love to have in life.

Shadow Wizard

@PhMgBr you missed the "some" before the "men" part. :D

PhMgBr

11:59 AM

@ShadowWizard Are you one of those men?

Shadow Wizard

@PhMgBr too late for me... already married.... ;)

rene

poor @ShadowWizard ...

Shadow Wizard

poor @rene ...

PhMgBr

@ShadowWizard No, I mean are you one of those men that love the misery of a company?

rene

;)

PhMgBr

12:03 PM

"

Shadow Wizard

@PhMgBr oh. Well.... umm.... no comment

:P

PhMgBr

She's watching this chat, isn't she?

Shadow Wizard

@PhMgBr who? @Telkitty? Yup.

PhMgBr

Also the Den? OMG

@Sha tell me; are wives scary?

Shadow Wizard

@PhMgBr more than you can ever imagine..... :D

PhMgBr

12:05 PM

So much that they cause you wrong ellipsees?

Wow

Shadow Wizard

...

Shadow Wizard

1:12 PM

@balpha there appears to be a bug affecting display name of lots of users all over SE:

2

Q: Why is my profile messed up on a single site and how can I revert it?

I thought about asking this on the meta of the SE site in question. But this seems to be an issue with SE itself, not that particular site. Also, the site is in beta and I don't really think there's a lot of people in there who can answer. I was just asking a question on Gardening SE and suddenl...

e.g.

a25bedc5-3d09-41b8-82fb-ea6c353d75ae

8 4

signal-processing calculus correlation covariance random-variables sequences-and-series

a25bedc5-3d09-41b8-82fb-ea6c353d75ae

3 2

magento php zend-framework

And hundreds more.

Looks like some internal GUID leaking somehow into the display names.

Can this please get some attention?

PhMgBr

:o

SE is cloning people

Morning!

\o

o/

\o

1:26 PM

o/

\o

o/

\o

1:41 PM

@ShadowWizard I'm on a plane, but I've pinged internally.

bjb568

You're such a train wreck @balpha

Shadow Wizard

@balpha thanks, looks like Geoff handled a similar bug in the past.

bjb568

PhMgBr

2:00 PM

@bjb568 These things hunt buffaloes in Africa. -___-

tchrist

2:16 PM

@PhMgBr *buffalo

It's invariant.

PhMgBr

Oh!

Well, not using this word a lot anyway.

What did the verb mean?

I'm getting old

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TIPS

2:43 PM

PhMgBr is no more

Shadow Wizard

That is sad... but @MAR will always be @MAR.

TIPS

You're not getting any stars today

Quill

[ FireStarter ] A message in Language Overflow was flagged.

TIPS

Those are mine.

I am 12.5% to blame.

Shadow Wizard

3:00 PM

flag trolling?

TIPS

Well yeah, stirring up the fight.

Shadow Wizard

Who wins?

TIPS

I'm not fighting.

They're too lowly a lifeform.

Shadow Wizard

So you just stir it, without taking part? Smart! ;)

And I know I'll regret it, but.... what does TIPS stand for?

TIPS

@ShadowWizard ┬─┬ ノ( ^_^ノ)

@ShadowWizard Triisopropylsilyl

Shadow Wizard

3:06 PM

lol, knew I'll regret it....

TIPS

You asked for it

Shadow Wizard

Note to self: asking @MAR about chemicalz is like asking @SPA (or @Derpy) about ponies. The answer will only make you even more confused. :-D

Quill

[ FireStarter ] A message in Language Overflow was flagged.

Shadow Wizard

Déjà vu from the days when Smokey went wild in the Tavern...

Do we really need to see all flags across SE chat here, @Quill?

TIPS

Yeah we do. It's dead important.

Bots need to roam in this chat.

NEED

Shadow Wizard

3:16 PM

@Quill ignore

@Quill fpu

@Quill help

bot without commands isn't a bot

Just a feed. :)

bjb568

3:42 PM

@Quill You can shut off the useless feed now.

Quill

4:24 PM

[ FireStarter ] A message in Game Development was flagged.

user315433

Interesting question: Would using deleted ("hidden") questions on math.SE for personal use be considered misuse of the site? by Martin Sleziak on meta.math.stackexchange.com

user315433

One can't edit self-deleted questions, but one can post a self-answered question, delete it, and then edit the answer as much as you want.

tchrist

@sandwich Wait, really?? I never noticed that.

Also, you look more sushi than sandwishy.

user315433

5:01 PM

ARGH I got downvoted on Web Apps for the first time. Made it to 12,886 rep without getting downvotes.

hichris123

Where is the abuse in editing a self-deleted question? — sth Jan 16 '15 at 22:56

@sth - write a question, delete, edit into spam the next day, undelete. Doesn't show up on the front page or most other lists, thus evades detection. — Oded ♦ Jan 17 '15 at 7:27

Blame Oded.

user315433

Write a question with an answer, delete question, edit answer into spam the next day, undelete question.

hichris123

5:21 PM

Does undeleting an answer bump the question?

user315433

Let's try it...

user315433

@hichris123 It doesn't: I undeleted my answer to this question but the activity timestamp has not changed.

hichris123

Then that whole line of reasoning seems flawed... that means the behavior is exactly the same for answers & questions.

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5:52 PM

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Quill

6:05 PM

[ FireStarter ] A message in Game Development was flagged.

TIPS

6:15 PM

Now why the heck was that flagged?

Quill

[ [**FireStarter**](https://github.com/The-Quill/SE-Flag-Bot) ] function (message){
return botCore.actions.send(chatDomain, 39270, botPrefix + message);
}

[ FireStarter ] Electrical Engineering had 1 flags, The Nineteenth Byte had 2 flags, The h Bar had 1 flags, Language Overflow had 3 flags, Game Development had 2 flags

TIPS

@Quill *1 flagz

Go go grammar

rene

6:51 PM

@TIPS a giant-S will be delivered at your doorstep

bjb568

7:30 PM

i can haz tooh?

me ohwahz wahntz teh GIANT es

hichris123

You can have a tooth, yes @bjb568.

bjb568

buht teh es?

hichris123

Spanish Language?

(or es.SO?)

bjb568

teh shnakeyshankey es!

May 8 at 5:40, by bjb568

Progress toward DevDoodle graduation: 18% (3/16 issues)

Progress now: 31% (5/16 issues)

user315433

7:51 PM

This should be shown in a banner on the site. It is unacceptable to confuse "real" users in this manner while hiding away the reason in some Meta.SE answer somewhere that they're never going to find. What an abysmal user experience. — Lightness Races in Orbit 8 hours ago

user315433

It could be featured... except it's probably impossible to feature a post on Meta.SE only, without it getting everywhere.

bjb568

devdoodle.net/dev/55

:D

rene

8:07 PM

@sandwich it was shown in a banner ... they can still re-consider using my banner script.

hichris123

Maybe it needs another bounty...

rene

That is bounty abuse

hichris123

It's a good userscript. :P

rene

It sure is! My best work of art so far ...

Quill

8:40 PM

Yeah, @ShadowWizard it has commands... stop is the one you're looking for

I was gone for like four hours and they managed to crash my bot like a trillion times in SE chat, and you guys got pissed at it

Message received, the bot lives no more

hichris123

9:15 PM

@rene Whatever happened to the auto-comment discussion? It looks like it's still being posted...

rene

@hichris123 yes, we didn't get reprimanded but the newer version is not created yet and I'm slacking to find out what the conclusion is of my evaluation post. That will open up the road to write the faq-proposed.

So, you'll keep seeing these

Down vote my answer on Sunshine's post if you want something else

hichris123

... doesn't it seem like a better idea to stop posting the comment until a new comment is generated (or scrapped altogether)?

(also, what post?)

-14

Q: Flag declined - so is it OK for a chat room to post same canned comments on every single post in a tag?

For the tag burninate-request , a certain chat room posts a robotic canned comment for every-single-post-in-the-tag. Is it appropiate for a chat room to do so? Can it go mass commenting promoting their chat room on all posts for a tag of their choice? As per my understanding, an OP who has 100k...

support flags declined-flags moderation

ah

> Tl;dr - the comment emerged as a reaction on several incidents with burnination retags. The comment should serve as a precaution for visitors of burnination request. If the meta-crowd feels they rather deal with the incidents or have a better idea, we're happy to stop posting the noise all together.

I think you're way overthinking the problem here...

rene

-14, so we have community support ;) but I expect 14 socvr regulars down voted that so as Shog9 says: Drawing a conclusion only on voting is ... not good

hichris123

Suggested Edits frequently is full of poor edits.

rene

@hichris123 yes, but not all are started due to a meta post ...

hichris123

9:21 PM

I don't think almost any are...

rene

in SO Close Vote Reviewers on Stack Overflow Chat, 18 secs ago, by rene

Is there already news about the new revision of the burnination warning comment @Kyll and @TylerH promised to work on?

Shadow Wizard

@Quill nah, don't really care myself, just felt like Smokey all over again, before the new restrictions.

rene

@hichris123 care to write an answer then?

hichris123

ha no.

rene

Because now it is just a discussion in chat

hichris123

9:25 PM

Yeah, that's kind of the point... y'all are the ones posting the comments...

user315433

I used to worry about bad tags (well, homework tag on Math was something worth worrying, and there are still a couple maybe). But these requests like removing-whitespace... should be tagged with yawn

user315433

There is also trim, btw.

hichris123

Here's a recent chart of the Suggested Edits queue ^

Quill

yesterday, by Quill

PSA: The flag bot now listens to commands in here, however, they're very very limited. they are stop, restart and listFlagCount. To invoke the bot, do @Quill followed by the command name

hichris123

As you can see, it gets to 70 on a normal day anyway...

(and no one complains)

rene

9:28 PM

@hichris123 so your take on it is: don't post any comment at all, just deal with it when stuff happens

anyway. I'm out for the night ....

Quill

later @rene

hichris123

10:18 PM

@rene yeah, pretty much. I don't think this is anywhere near as common as you all think.

user315433

10:38 PM

I don't remember anyone specifically teaching me to debug code. Having a fun project but no Internet to dump questions on somehow did it. get-off-my-lawn

user315433

"A[0][0] and A[0][1] are defined but A[0][2] is not, any idea of why that could be?". A great mystery indeed.

Quill

in my classes, they don't teach us how to debug our code. I'd imagine when most people are taught how to debug, they'd be a junior

bjb568

10:58 PM

Bah, you can't teach people to debug. Actual programmers (as opposed to copy-paste coders) naturally seek to understand the code and debugging it comes tacitly from that.

I remember back when I was screwing with ActionScript. I debugged and experimented from the start. If people don't do this automatically, they never really will.

Quill

11:21 PM

hanselman.com/blog/DarkMatterDevelopersTheUnseen99.aspx

Quill

11:32 PM

So my university is hosting a "50 years of gaming history" event where they got a bunch of game consoles and "industry speakers"... And there's pizza too...

I wonder whether it's worth going to

bacon

Games and Pizza, why not!

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11:53 PM

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