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AstroCB

12:00 AM

!comp d/dx 1/arcsin(x)

tchrist

Python's lack of use strict is utterly intolerable.

AstroCB

Oh – that's right. No equations.

Ixrec

@tchrist What would a Python "use strict" do?

tchrist

@Ixrec Make you declare your bloody variables so you get compiler errors on typos.

Ixrec

...oh yeah

user259867

12:01 AM

@AstroCB Write as (arcsin(x))^(-1) and use the chain rule: get -(arcsin(x))^(-2) times the derivative of arcsin.

Ixrec

I'm so used to Javascript I had no idea Python was like that

tchrist

It suckissimos.

AstroCB

@pizza Nice

hichris123

huh. roadlesstravelled.me/2015/04/06/…

Frank

argh that was the cat

tchrist

12:03 AM

Age, weight, sex, color, hair length?

I though ack was the cat, not argh.

bjb568

> Kool-Aid fuelled stories of ‘success’

wat

Ixrec

I assume he means the metaphorical Kool-Aid

Frank

@tchrist about 7 mo. about 11 lbs. about male. about striped grey. about 1 1/2" hair.

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AstroCB

!comp cat

bjb568

Felis catus

tchrist

12:08 AM

Felix the Cat.

AstroCB

!comp cat

bjb568

Felis catus

AstroCB

!comp !comp

!find !find

bjb568

Find A Grave - Millions of Cemetery Records

tchrist

Bringin’ home the bacon:

The deerhunter:

Same-sex coupling:

Deerhunter II:

He actually swiped the deer’s nose.

Look! Up in the sky! It’s a bird!

hichris123

12:13 AM

The Tavern is full of high-quality submissions recently.

tchrist

The Flash:

Ixrec

is this your cat?

tchrist

They are.

Last summer I woke up to this in my back yard:

Ixrec

neat

tchrist

More here.

The blue cat is more than 50% heavier than the pink cat, but they look the same size.

But the pink guy won’t let the blue guy lord it over him by throwing his weight around. Definitely punches above his weight, that one.

Dave Chen

12:30 AM

is it ever okay to ask someone to delete their question? Like, when a question gets solved in the comments and the question is highly unlikely to help future visitors + the question is kinda off topic too.

Braiam

@DaveChen yeah

but it has to be not the dutch way

Braiam

12:44 AM

> If you talk with them nicely - they’ll be pleasant, if you talk with them rudely - they’ll be unpleasant.

Dave Chen

I've done that once already here (10K), but I just wanted to double check, because asking someone to delete their question feels really harsh

AstroCB

in Stack Overflow 2015 Moderator Election Chat on Stack Overflow Chat, 17 mins ago, by EnglishMaster

Seems like I am in a right place, the Javascript room

in Stack Overflow 2015 Moderator Election Chat on Stack Overflow Chat, 15 mins ago, by EnglishMaster

Ok, I don't care, they are all same

Martijn Pieters

1:02 AM

@AstroCB: pity we can't find Grace in chat; it'd be helpful to get a room owner about thereabouts.

Or we could wait 2 weeks for all these new moderators to start swinging their new truncheons. :-)

@AstroCB: and those remarks are on the mild side for EM.

tchrist

@MartijnPieters I can report that he has sometimes been unsettling in ELU chat.

Strange person.

AstroCB

Wait – animuson was actually hired?

I thought that was a joke...

tchrist

@AstroCB He has an awful lot of diamonds otherwise.

AstroCB

@tchrist I was looking at the Users tab and clicked on Moderators unintentionally – "where's animuson?" searches Huh. He's won quite a few elections in the past few weeks.

Undo

0

Q: Some one help those codes

I updated my Xcode, right now it’s swift 1.2. But here’s some problems that I can’t figure it out with new language.(I wrote those codes with swift 1.1) user.signUpInBackgroundWithBlock{ (success:Bool!,error:NSError!)->Void in if !(error != nil) { println("sign up s...

^ This guy's codes need help!

yellowantphil

1:18 AM

@Undo How long until AI creates a Stack Overflow account and asks for help on writing itself?

Martijn Pieters

@tchrist He's been thoroughly and shockingly rude to a female member in the Python chat room.

And continued doing so after being asked to stop.

@zopatista Thanks! I started on the 30th (last Monday).

Tweeted by animuson on April 6, 2015 at 10:25 PM in reply to zopatista

AstroCB

-1

A: Function argument list changed in Swift 1.2

sir, in my opinion, this is the problem with Parse freamwork you can add my Skype u can tell you how

@MartijnPieters CM, I assume?

user259867

> Stack Exchange Community Growth Operations Specialist

Undo

@AstroCB he's on a non-CM team. Kind of.

Alexis King

@MartijnPieters For a second there I thought you were talking about animuson and was absolutely baffled.

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Undo

1:21 AM

yeah, CoGro

user259867

in CoGro Musings, Apr 2 at 12:23, by Tim Post

I'm really delighted to see the new Cogro Ops Specialists dig in and start writing replies. What they're doing was something that was added on to our jobs, but not really part of it, it just fell on our team to do, so we did it, and we basically just tried our best to get through our turns. For these folks, it's their main job and they're taking a lot of ownership in it. Replies much more thoughtful than we usually wrote, and great attention to detail.

AstroCB

Ah.

Martijn Pieters

@AlexisKing ah, no, sorry.

Alexis King

@MartijnPieters Nono, it's fine, I just misunderstood, haha. It was just surprising because animuson is the nicest person ever.

tchrist

in English Language & Usage on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Feb 10 at 15:29, by EnglishMaster

Guys, if you are suppose to divorce your partner, but you don't want your money and properties split in half, what would you do to prevent it?

1) Lock your partner in an mental asylum and date a hot-chick in the meantime.
2) apologize sincerely to your partner about everything happened before. And have a good sex to forget everything.
3) Just kill her/him

Undo

1:23 AM

Oooookaay

tchrist

There’s a lot more where that came from. And worse.

Alexis King

wat

Martijn Pieters

@tchrist The worst excesses in the Python chat room have been perma-nuked.

tchrist

Yes, I can’t show you those.

I mean, we have those too.

Although I think they are merely deleted.

Don’t really care to look. As I said, it’s unsettling.

Martijn Pieters

There remains a big pile in the Python trash room.

AstroCB

1:25 AM

Don't you love it when you get one declined flag and you get that angry red text on the flag popup for the next week?

tchrist

@AstroCB Huh?

Never heard of it.

Undo

@AstroCB I thought that wouldn't trigger unless there's >x total flags.

tchrist

@MartijnPieters Oh, these are ones that mods deleted and so are harder to look at, not just what what room owners shovelled off. Well, I think.

user259867

@AstroCB a userscript to hide it?

tchrist

What he is is creepy.

AstroCB

1:27 AM

@pizza Good idea.

Martijn Pieters

@tchrist I see that the one I was thinking of was deleted by the user themselves.

AstroCB

Undo

@AstroCB Hrm, don't think that should be happening

Not sure

tchrist

@AstroCB Never saw such a thing.

Martijn Pieters

Actually, it was feeds that deleted the message. I think that means it was deleted due to flagging.

AstroCB

1:30 AM

There are so many Swift 1.2 "the method signature changed and I'm freaking out because Xcode is yelling at me" questions right now.

Martijn Pieters

Interesting, and not unexpected.

tchrist

@MartijnPieters That makes more sense.

Undo

@MartijnPieters yep, that's what it means

Martijn Pieters

Anyway, the user is a troll and should be kept at arms-length.

tchrist

Yes.

His English is so poor I keep telling him we're going to strip him of his name. :)

Martijn Pieters

1:35 AM

Interesting though that exposing him as a troll in the election room shut him up.

tchrist

There is so much offensive garbage of his in the transcript. I wonder if I can move them into the trash even if they aren't active.

I won't even paste them here. They are horrible.

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Anonymous

@tchrist Turning it around, at least Python raises bloody AttributeErrors when you try to access typos properties. ;)

Anonymous

And I suspect the ratio of property lookups in JavaScript is significantly larger than the ratio of variable assignments in Python, so JavaScript will catch fewer errors even with 'use strict'.

Anonymous

I really should use more Go.

Lynn Crumbling

1:51 AM

@SmokeDetector tpu

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@LynnCrumbling Blacklisted user.

Anonymous

Are long-term chat-specific bans possible?

tchrist

@JeremyBanks Runtime or compile?

Anonymous

>_>

Anonymous

Run-time. Oops.

tchrist

2:00 AM

Yeah, that’s no great trick.

Not impressed. :)

I want to be told about mistakes at compile time, not when a rare code path is taken.

I even use compile time hash key error detection when I care.

Anonymous

JavaScript should have an option to throw on defined attribute lookup; as I said I think that's a more common occurrence than mis-typed variable names.

Anonymous

I think that's part of the 'use sound' or 'use safe' proposal, so we hopefully will get it eventually.

Anonymous

Having used JavaScript and Python a reasonable amount I find that causing me headaches a lot more often than Python variable typos. Others might have a different experience, though. :)

tchrist

Can’t help you. I’m a C-thinking type person, not a Javascript-thinking type person.

yellowantphil

^ proof of greatness right there

C is the One True Language

hichris123

2:06 AM

C++.

Apr 2 at 23:09, by hichris123

I dislike alloc & malloc.

yellowantphil

heresy!!!

hichris123

I forgot calloc in there...

yellowantphil

I always forget about calloc. Poor calloc...

tchrist

Those are all just toys.

sbrk(2) is all you get, chaps.

yellowantphil

I have been out-UNIXed :-|

tchrist

2:07 AM

Happy arena corruption.

@yellowantphil I’ve been doing Unix for something like 33 years. This should not be hard. :)

yellowantphil

I haven't been alive quite that long...

hichris123

@tchrist So you... manually define your program's memory space & then give your variables an address manually?

tchrist

There you have it.

@hichris123 Dynamic linking is especially fun. :)

Anonymous

I'm hopeful that we'll get some sanity with TypeScript being widely adopted, and eventually merged into JavaScript. It's not the most powerful of type systems, but any standard static checking will beat the current state of affairs.

tchrist

I just don’t want to play around with web crab. User interfaces. Users. FTN.

yellowantphil

2:10 AM

web crab... like spiders, but cooler

Undo

@JeremyBanks yes

tchrist

Nothing that has to do with browsers. Nothing.

I’d rather cut my throat than think about IE 8.

Anonymous

Certainly an understandable position. :P But I am really hoping for improvements, for the sake of the majority of all modern developers.

AstroCB

All of the Swift 1.2 method signature questions: google.com/…

Anonymous

I deal with web crap, but fortunately it's nothing before IE10, usually IE11, so it isn't as bad as it could be.

tchrist

2:12 AM

@JeremyBanks Ever notice that modern gets used as a put-down?

hichris123

@JeremyBanks I'm scared to ask what I'm dealing with right now -- hoping it's Chrome, FF, and IE 10+.

tchrist

I’m used to it, though.

Undo

I specifically build my sites to not work on any version of IE. Makes it a bunch easier

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Anonymous

@tchrist shrug. Some times. The reality is that there is a lot less demand these days (proportionally) for low-level skills than in the past; I just meant it as an accurate description.

hichris123

@Undo IE 10/11 are actually decent in feature support.

Anonymous

2:14 AM

I don't think it's inherently better or worse, its just a different set of skills. (Probably a lower barrier-to entry, but excellence takes a lot of work in either case.)

hichris123

@JeremyBanks Gotta have low-level devs to build a browser for higher-level implementations.

Anonymous

I don't think anybody would dispute that. :P

tchrist

@JeremyBanks You were thinking Perl was low level? Really? That's interesting.

Anonymous

@tchrist Huh?

user259867

What is the best community for website recommendations? I thought this was asking to recommend an SE site on which to ask for recommendations of SE sites on which to ask.

Anonymous

2:17 AM

Let me clarify; I think I'm being unclear.

tchrist

When we see a commercial Unix kernel written in Javascrypt, I'll pay it some heed. That said, I'm fond of Go.

Jan Dvorak

I've lost interest in Go when I saw a discussion about how map is entirely useless and less readable than a for loop.

tchrist

@pizza I think the SE recommendations site recommendations site is in private beta.

@JanDvorak Sigh.

Anonymous

All I'm saying is that over the last 10 years the explosion of the web has created massive demand for web developers, so they now probably make up the majority of all programmers, even though the number of non-web developers has also increased. Unfortunately, the languages they need to use are not great. Improving those languages might probably increase the average's programmers experience more than improvements to almost any other area.

Anonymous

We still need more low-level folks to support our expanding tech civilization, but we need even more people working on potentially-boring web apps filling the business and social needs to create the demand for things like computers and web browsers.

Jan Dvorak

2:24 AM

Front-end devs: 21st century's working class

tchrist

Pretty sure class is education-based these days.

Wait, you already said that. :)

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Anonymous

I have essentially no education and am currently working as a front-end dev, so I fit that description. :V

tchrist

Please don’t write filesystem code. :(

Anonymous

Any filesystem I wrote would have end-to-end data integrity, so at least you'd know how badly I'd managed to corrupt it.

user259867

2:27 AM

@SmokeDetector fp ed sg

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@pizza Registered question as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.

tchrist

@JeremyBanks Sure. Now build it on top of UDP.

Jan Dvorak

"ed sg"?

hichris123

edit suggested

Jan Dvorak

@tchrist without a home-brewn TCP intermediate layer?

Anonymous

2:29 AM

@tchrist I'm getting an impression that you may be frequently harassed by JavaScript developers.

Jan Dvorak

thanks

tchrist

@JanDvorak Right.

@JeremyBanks Right.

Kinda hate the whole lot.

Jan Dvorak

JavaScript

Topic: Anything JavaScript, ECMAScript including Node, React, ...

8

11

hichris123

Good thing I'm not a Javascript dev.

tchrist

People who wouldn’t recognize a resource starvation situation to save their lives.

Because nothing costs anything.

Anonymous

2:30 AM

...ah, you're one of the authors the camel book?

tchrist

No, I just play one on SO.

Anonymous

That casts this conversation in a bit of a different light.

Jan Dvorak

@JeremyBanks I'm trying to view it in wireframe mode

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Qantas 94 Heavy

fml I'm just a lowly JavaScript dev

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AstroCB

2:35 AM

@Qantas94Heavy Aren't we all?

tchrist

And what do you do when you get a spec that’s defined in bits and you need to do 200 megabytes per day traffic and double every ten months for the next few years?

Different world.

Hint: Don’t call a javascript programmer. :)

Anonymous

You sounds such a stereotypical bitter old man. :P

tchrist

I’m sure that’s it.

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tchrist

Morlocks and Eloi.

The world will always need real programmers for big problems, even if they are locked away in the cellar.

user259867

2:39 AM

@SmokeDetector fp

SmokeDetector

@pizza Registered question as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.

tchrist

@pizza You forgot to fix the Brazilian. :)

It’s nice to see a fresh SO though.

He’ll probably get his question answered, not downvoted to –20 and dupclosed.

Doorknob

So anyone else qualify for Google Code Jam? :)

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hichris123

nope, I have a life to live. ;)

user259867

@tchrist I have my hands full with ru.SO (top voter, flagger, among top editors since site migration). Not going to branch out into editing pt.SO

tchrist

2:52 AM

Pois. :)

user259867

Nov 20 '14 at 2:14, by Rafflesia arnoldii

I get it. (maybe). I've no plans to even look at ru.SO when it launches.

user259867

non-famous last words

tchrist

@pizza Thank you for doing that.

Braiam

well, that proves that @pizza can resist everything... except the temptation of being eaten

tchrist

From sabelotodo to comelotodo in just one byte.

Braiam

3:04 AM

@tchrist ru.SO has eaten all his time :/

bjb568

Watched cosi fan tutte

yellowantphil

!!/so2015

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tchrist

3:23 AM

@bjb568 Ooh culcha. Did you get schooled?

bjb568

Yeah, skewled

Not skewered tho.

tchrist

Nelle arti amarose?

I hear it does that.

bjb568

@tchrist wat?

tchrist

Okay not so schooled after all. ;)

> Così fan tutte, ossia La scuola degli amanti

bjb568

Watwata?

Subtitles

tchrist

3:32 AM

You don't even know its name? :(

Braiam

italian has to be...

tchrist

Asi hacen todas, o la escuela de los amantes

There, subtitled!

Braiam

I bet the "o" is an exclamation

tchrist

@bjb568 Any other requests? :)

bjb568

…

tchrist

3:36 AM

:::

AstroCB

@Doorknob I looked at problem 1. Nope. I'll look at the next one. I looked at problem 2. Nope. I'll look at the next one. I looked at problem 3. I'm not doing this.

bjb568

@AstroCB Link to problems?

AstroCB

yesterday, by Santa Claus

Oh, and in case nobody noticed, Google Code Jam started.

I just answered a 30ker's question without realizing it until I hit "Post Your Answer."

bjb568

WHERE ARE THE PROBLEMS?!?!?!

AstroCB

One of the scariest moments of my life.

@bjb568 Sign in/register.

bjb568

3:45 AM

Crappy.

Typical google.

AstroCB

Very helpful, thank you. This explains everything. — TIMEX 27 secs ago

Whew

bjb568

30kers aren't special.

They're just a lil' moar whoreier.

[bug] math.blogoverflow.com/2015/04/11/on-the-mobius-function/?cb=1 author username 404s

[bug] $x$ should be rendered with mathjax, right?

[bug] What's this space doing?

[bug] What's the pipe separating there?

user259867

@AstroCB Your previous record was under 10K

bjb568

[bug] Color contrast is too low. Again.

Does SE like… test their pages at all?

Shog9

yes

3

on you

user259867

3:56 AM

On Math, I answered five questions by users with rep > mine.

AstroCB

@pizza I'm surprised I went that high.

user259867

@bjb568 This is not the biggest problem with that blog post.

bjb568

I see an angry comment.

AstroCB

It was low risk – lots of answers and a fairly easy problem.

user259867

It shouldn't have been started, honestly. A lot of effort put by several users into posts that almost nobody will read.
The time and effort would be better spent on moderation.
So I don't contribute there.

Doorknob

3:59 AM

@AstroCB Problem A was actually really easy if you just read it carefully.

@bjb568 Nowhere, because the qualification round is over and round 1 hasn't started yet.

AstroCB

@Doorknob Is that the standing ovation one?

bjb568

@Doorknob oh

Doorknob

@AstroCB Yeah. I solved the small and large datasets for that one, and then the small dataset for problem D.

user259867

@bjb568 answered one question by 20K+ user.

bjb568

> CSS stands for Cascading Style Sheets.

AstroCB

4:02 AM

@bjb, CSS guru.

bjb568

@astro why that edit summary?

AstroCB

@bjb568 github.com/AstroCB/Stack-Exchange-Editor-Toolkit

I was trying to emphasize the fact that it's an initialism and so should be capitalized.

bjb568

Yeah, I know. But why not "Capitalized CSS (as initialism)"

Somebody is hiding something. stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/7656015

2nd suspicious dv.

user259867

@AstroCB Missed the chance to reword "And to select this only with CSS is not possible?"

tchrist

@bjb568 Too bad color contrast isn't something you could, like, measure.

bjb568

4:06 AM

@pizza And to eat hot pocket a I am doing?

@tchrist Hm… I guess that's like totally true…

Doorknob

@bjb568 yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man

bjb568

yeah, like, yeah, man

tchrist

I apologize for dragging Facebook in here.

bjb568

With synonymizer, I have more badges than astro now!

AstroCB

@bjb568 For subtlety, I guess.

tchrist

4:09 AM

Stinky.

bjb568

looks weird

tchrist

Y tu mama tambien.

AstroCB

@bjb568 You should see the other ones; I really need to update those reasons.

bjb568

ok, I understood that.

accent in mamá?

@AstroCB go

AstroCB

Now you're speaking bjb's language.

tchrist

4:11 AM

And on last vowel.

AstroCB

@bjb The CSS and PHP crowds are very generous with their upvotes.

This kind of stuff shows up in Low Quality Posts all of the time and it's at +4 right now.

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bjb568

@AstroCB :p

user259867

@SmokeDetector ignore

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@pizza Post ignored; alerts about it will no longer be posted.

bjb568

4:23 AM

Poll: Is it taco bell or taco bell?

Jan Dvorak

It's Pachebel

user259867

Taco, from way back when.

user259867

And in 2014

user259867

4:30 AM

> Redesigned Stack Exchange user profiles coming Real Soon Now. Here's what mine will look like meta.stackexchange.com/users/4/joel-spolsky -- Joel Spolsky at 8:52 AM - 20 Feb 2015 via Twitter

bjb568

The universe is some airy-fairy mathematical construct! — bjb568 9 secs ago

Andrew T.

!!/so2015

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user259867

bjbCommentsOnParenting++

Andrew T.

in the end, it's only around 30+ nominations, not 42

user259867

4:33 AM

Down to 31 now, someone withdrew... but there may be last-day nominations.

AstroCB

@pizza Interestingly, none of the top six there are accepted.

Andrew T.

and I just realized bjb reapplied for the nomination, taking the top spot (hey, that might be tricky marketing method)

Jan Dvorak

I think we have a troll here

bjb568

AstroCB

bjb568

4:39 AM

:p

Braiam

@bjb568 pls... no onebox

bjb568

too late

Braiam

the fact that the subdomain is giant. has me worried

Andrew T.

now I need a userscript to prevent oneboxing gif image on chat.se...

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Braiam

or a very slow connection....

still loading for me

deleted node and yay!

2

bjb568

4:41 AM

here are some earthclifs instead

Andrew T.

@Braiam good idea, you just saved my Chrome

Jan Dvorak

Just have Caprica work here

bjb568

no

AstroCB

.user-image {
    visibility: hidden;
}

Jan Dvorak

still loads them

AstroCB

4:46 AM

True.

bjb568

@AstroCB img is childfree

Doorknob

$('img.user-image').remove();

cky

@bjb568 Why, did it get the snip?

bjb568

yeah, that

AstroCB

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bjb568

4:51 AM

yay

AstroCB

Ugh; indentation.

> This message has been edited 4 times

There.

Sorry to see that you're out @Alexis.

@TheWobbuffet You're back in.

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