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2:00 PM
Yes... active. I am very active right now. So please ignore the one that looks just like me sleeping on that cloud up there and instead make your question to the animatron real me awaiting you in the room on the left
 
waits for a better time
 
check if the cloud he just stole from Lakitu still has some leftover Spiny eggs to throw at that noisy Kiwi down there
 
He.TIL :(
 
@InfiniteRecursion I wasn't mentioning a specific case... but yes, #blameIStimple
 
2:07 PM
who is iStimple?
 
This post is unlocked now, if anyone wanted to write something:
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Q: An experiment: Stack Overflow TV

Matt ShermanStack Overflow is beginning an experiment called Stack Overflow TV, or SOTV for short. It will be a series of fast, smart videos for experienced programmers who want to learn a new thing. The videos will serve as a complement to Stack’s Q&A, and intended for that community. Of course, they will ...

 
yep, cleary @InfiniteRecursion. Didn't know they did a videogame
 
@sha: current name is lostsock, earlier the user's name was iStimple, VoteToClose, codehorse etc
 
Which makes me notice that Lazlo/FinalSomethingThatIDontRemember still hasn't returned.
 
@Jan spent an entire 40 minutes that day with #blameIStimple, the spam is still sitting there etc. Just search it in the transcript if you want to relive the horror @sha.
 
2:12 PM
@SPArchaeologist he can't return to chat, he's banned for a year
 
ONE YEAR?
 
He changed his name, and from what I can see his recent activity sure has less edge on it:
 
@SPArchaeologist yup
 
he annoyed one person too many
 
2:13 PM
@Spa: lazlo visited the tavern a few hours ago, scroll up. Currently lpapp
 
not banned, then?
 
@ShadowWizard What did he did? Burned down SO servers while chanting hymns to the Sleeping one?
 
his speech wasn't very nice, to say the least
 
@JanDvorak banned from chat only, not suspended (he was suspended too, but only for a month)
 
@SPArchaeologist We don't know, and those of us that do know still don't know ;)
 
2:14 PM
oh.
 
Can visit, can't chat. @Bart told me he is banned.
 
> This user has been temporarily suspended by a moderator and cannot chat for 309 days.
 
there
 
2:16 PM
anyway, he was really annoying towards the end, asking the community managers over and over to check why he gets downvotes
 
@BenVoigt: you do realize that QIODevice exists for a reason. You can, let me repeat, can replace any hardware interface with any other. In fact, it does not matter on which you send the "Hello World!" through. — lpapp Jul 22 at 16:02
+1. I think this is nicer than the accepted solution because it does not mess with the line separator explicitly. It all just works with a dedicated API method! — lpapp Aug 27 at 15:23
 
@InfiniteRecursion Understood. UO jail time. We put you main into jail but forgot to check for secondary characters
 
Before/after suspension.
 
6 hours ago, by Bart
lpapp probably can't reply to you @InfiniteRecursion. I think he still has a one year chat ban?
 
The funny thing is that he couldn't reply to many users even when not banned from chat because he was (probably still is) ignoring them
 
2:19 PM
just thinking loud
what would happen if say 5 of us would vote to close this as spam... would it get deleted right away :P ?
 
@mehow six spam flags nuke the post immediately. Then the poster casts a mod flag, deletion gets reversed, and incorrect flags get punished.
 
Hmm, yes. But it isn't spam.
 
@ShadowWizard but you could also recognize that some time the flame Ping-Pong was started form one of his (many) nemesis
 
@mehow can't vote to close as spam, just flag as spam. And it takes 6. And yes, it would be auto deleted and Matt Sherman might get -100 rep though since it's on a meta site, not sure.
 
yeah i was just thinking out loud
 
2:22 PM
I will let @Jan educate you about titles available on web sockets, trailing urls, and strings lacking punctuation @mehow.
 
@SPArchaeologist I didn't really bother to delve deep into this, when he said he's ignoring me because he don't want to hear my opinions, I lost any interest in what he have to say.
 
Good, think once more and Jan will enlighten you mehow. He is to spam what Cupcake is to git.
 
haha
so theoretically speaking having (7) 6 accounts allows you to temporarily get rid of any post on SO.
temporarily could evolve if you know how to hide behind the other side of the cable.
 
Nope, Jan has 120 accounts on SE, he finds you irrespective of which side of the cable you are on. Don't even think about it.
And blames anyone who refuses to create 120 accounts just to flag spam.
 
@mehow yes this would work. We once had sock puppet ring which got a total crap question to the top of Hot Network Questions list. The ring had 10-20 accounts with 200+ rep each, upvoting each other.
 
2:29 PM
And keeps reminding that spam is still sitting there to the helpless users who already flagged it.
 
@ShadowWizard Why the past? Judging by some of the questions that come up, the ring must be still hidden somewhere.
 
@InfiniteRecursion OK... I'll only be reminding when somebody arrives
 
hahah YES! it's hiding
 
@InfiniteRecursion Why was it locked?
 
No, keep up your good work and keep reminding. Spam is important. Ignore my rant :D
 
2:31 PM
@ShadowWizard "upvoting each other" so was that detected by the system or human?
 
@SPArchaeologist lol, that's a good one :)
@mehow since each used a totally different IP it wasn't traceable by the system. It took several hours for @TimPost to nuke the ring.
 
nice!
 
@bjb: Users voted to migrate to MSE, migration failed and post got locked by community user.
 
Disclaimer: IRONIC
 
@InfiniteRecursion you know why not?
 
2:34 PM
@InfiniteRecursion users can't vote to migrate in per site meta, only close as off topic. However, when a migrated question is closed on the target site, it also get locked.
 
I know not @Bart
 
On behalf of all Dutch users: sorry
 
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Q: Does Venice smell?

LiamI keep getting told that Venice smells pretty bad as a reason not to go (a lot of people say it's pretty crowded too but that's another matter). Apparently it's the canals in summer. Is this true? Does Venice have a problem with it's aroma or is this a bit of an old wives tale?

 
@InfiniteRecursion because of reasons
 
@ShadowWizard That was not fun :)
 
2:34 PM
GHEEEEE......... Interesting indeed
 
@TimPost I can only try to imagine! But at least the satisfaction when it was over must have been nice. :)
 
@rene :D what made you post that?
 
@ShadowWizard If that question needed to be in the hot topics list, then I am an unicorn.
 
@SPArchaeologist you are an unicorn!
 
You are becoming too predictable @Bart
3
 
2:36 PM
@Bart something goes completely overboard here
 
@mehow: SPArchaeologist is a derpy
 
@Bart I posted that recently in a comment
 
and yet again, Bart got a word in WAG
 
@rene: I have a sharp beak ready for glasses!
 
@AnnaLear so I see you decided to stick with this new avatar? I do miss the cats! :)
 
2:44 PM
@InfiniteRecursion And one more user found that knows perfectly who Derpy is but prefer to maintain a low profile. Come on, we will never be able to conquer the Tavern and rename it "Sugar Cube Corner" if you keep hiding.
 
@InfiniteRecursion I feel that whole javascript mess can have their own meta by now....
 
yes @rene, absolutely agree
 
@ShadowWizard WAG?
@rene perhaps we should have the Lounge moderate them ...
 
@spa: looks are deceptive, don't be fooled by the little chick ;)
@Bart: word association game
 
@Bart That would restore order in an...unusual but effective way ... :)
 
2:50 PM
noooooo! it was a top secret
 
@ShadowWizard yay !!
I am everywhere!!
 
Alas! I unleashed the horror on your den. Sorry @sha
 
@InfiniteRecursion apology accepted! :D
 
Thanks :D
You are famous @Bart. Congrats!
 
Infamous at most @InfiniteRecursion
 
2:55 PM
I left out the "in", but you understood. :D
I think I am becoming too predictable as well. :(
 
I will drag you all down to my level. Welcome to hell.
4
 
I was not aware that hell is so full with stars!
 
@ShadowWizard 42
 
going tonight to this restaurant. I expect lots of tiny dishes.
 
The sun cannot be dragged into darkness @Bart. It spreads its sunshine wherever it goes :)
 
3:01 PM
cough black hole cough
 
@rene Nope, that is the answer. Or Twilly. Or both.
 
@ShadowWizard Not just one big pizza, to share?
 
@rene nope. it's one of those fancy restaurants. ;(
 
@ShadowWizard make sure to plan a route to include a Burger King
 
3:03 PM
@ShadowWizard Oh yeah... I forgot about that. Please hold.
 
cough still emits hawking radiation cough @Bart
 
@rene wish I could, be we're going with friends. D:
 
If they don't accept a Burger King detour, you might want to reconsider the friendship @ShadowWizard
 
@AnnaLear better now, too bad it's taking ages to propagate to chat though :(
 
@ShadowWizard Got a better one now.
 
3:07 PM
@Bart but then I won't get birthday present! ;)
 
Ooh, it's your birthday? HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
 
Should be propagated to chat now because magic moderator powers.
 
@AnnaLear yay!! that's the spirit. Love the new one.
let me F5...
nope
 
weird. ah well.
 
CTRL+F5
 
3:08 PM
SOON =)
 
yep
it was locally cached.
 
Chat server gets killed because everybody reloads their page
 
just to see Anna with a hat. And a cat. How lame. :D
 
Lame is our game.
 
@ShadowWizard Hey!
Ain't nothing lame 'bout my hat. And my cat.
 
3:13 PM
Oh, they are separate features?
 
@rene Actually, that is Armor!
 
Active Armor, nice!
 
Enjoy your dinner @sha. Hope the birthday gift they give you on your next birthday will be worth sacrificing the burgers tonight.
 
3:29 PM
Is the JS room ZiGi the same zigi who discussed religion with @Jan in the tavern?
 
Hmm, that was my second or third day of using chat on SE and @Bart called me a morbid chick for my interfriendtion in the religious talk :/
 
Sam
finally returns after battling connection issues
 
@KaiMattern well, it's not about cooking. I've seen one such. — Jan Dvorak 4 mins ago
Hi @Sam. Is @Uni still kicking his router?
 
Sam
lol, what's happened to Uni this time?
 
3:42 PM
He kicked his router with his bare feet and got transported to the hospital I guess...
 
Sam
Or, perhaps he just did the "normal" thing and went off to bed.
Then again, I doubt any of us know what "normal" means.
 
there isn't any syntax highlighting for make files, right?
 
3:59 PM
<pink >🐧</pink> for your lawn — AShelly 13 hours ago
 
@InfiniteRecursion SQUIRREL!
 
false alarm.
 
4:07 PM
@SmokeDetector that's not a phone number cc @Undo
 
Sam
@ProgramFOX Wb.
 
Hi all!
 
4:38 PM
@Braiam It fits the pattern, Baba often puts phone numbers in his titles that are like that. I'm not gonna change it just to avoid a few false-positives a month.
 
^^^^^^^^
 
4:55 PM
@Undo could you bump up bot's debouncing memory, though?
 
@JanDvorak You mean that it does not post a question again if it has been posted some time ago?
 
@ProgramFOX correct
currently the bot only remembers the last question it linked
 
What would you like? A memory of N questions, or that a question is put in memory for M minutes?
 
last N should work
 
I raise a feeble voice of disagreement against changing the debouncing memory. Spammers will soon figure it out an post an innocent post, then edit it into spam.
 
5:04 PM
least recently used eviction strategy
 
@SantaClaus did you ever figure this out?
 
A once in a while false-positive is not a good enough reason to implement a change.
 
@InfiniteRecursion usually these ninja edits sneak in before another suspicious question appears
 
@InfiniteRecursion If it's a legitimate post at first, SmokeDetector won't even catch it (and add it to the latest questions memory) and it will still be posted after it is edited.
 
and the posts aren't debounced before getting suspicious anyways
 
5:07 PM
After you change smokey, spammers will also change their strategy Jan. Both sides counter each other.
 
@ProgramFOX unless they are edited from a false positive to a true positive
@InfiniteRecursion I'm still waiting for their turn...
 
@JanDvorak People might still visit it when it is already edited.
 
@ProgramFOX unlikely
 
I'd suggest that a time-based memory would work better in this case, but spammers could still look at the source to see when exactly it gets cleared.
 
I think the change is non-essential with such low false positives.
 
5:12 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword detected: Enable touchscreen on Lenovo Yoga 11s Ubuntu 14.04 on askubuntu.com
 
Perhaps we can make a change that the question is only added to the memory if it already has been edited 3 times. What do you think of that @JanDvorak?
 
"Lenovo" is a dirty, dirty word.
 
@ProgramFOX by "edited", do you mean "bumped"?
 
@JanDvorak Yes, indeed.
 
what about evicting it if its title changes?
 
Sam
5:14 PM
Does/will smokey catch answers?
 
@JanDvorak That's a good idea.
 
@Sam at least not yet, but answers still bump questions
 
stackoverflow.com/questions/25671377/… amazing how someone can be a member for a year and a half till they have their first activity
 
Sam
I guess smokey wouldn't catch a good question bumped by a spam answer then?
 
@Sam Correct; but we could change that.
 
5:23 PM
so what do we do with star trolls?
someone sitting outside the room staring their limit from the transcript
 
I saw a query that counts the average time a question waits to get it first vote/answer, but now I don't find it... :(
 
Sam
I see
 
@rlemon Ping a developer; they can look at it. (not sure about mods, I don't think they can see who starred a message)
 
Could doesn't mean should. I still think it's yagni. Considering that smokey runs on real data after modifications, instead of some test data.
 
@ProgramFOX protip: anyone can
it is a known bug
 
5:27 PM
@rlemon Yes, I know, but only mods/developers can stop it; then it might be easier to immediately have a developer who can see it instead of logging web sockets.
@InfiniteRecursion Scanning the answers, or the increased memory?
 
eh well I already have them logged and know who the offender is :P anyway, I mod flagged my own post to get some attention
thanks anyways
 
Increased memory @pro
 
Hmm... I just thought about it, and looking at the title for seeing whether a post changes isn't very helpful. A spammer could make SD post a false positive and then only edit the body of the post, and SD wouldn't post it again because the title didn't change.
And checking whether the body changed is useless. When editing a post, the body is changed (except when only changing the title/tags), and then false positives would almost always be posted again if the body changed.
@InfiniteRecursion Then you're right; actually, increased memory is not very useful. (cc @JanDvorak)
 
@ProgramFOX Smokey never reads the body anyways
 
Sam
5:38 PM
Rather than basing smokey's detection logic on constants, have you considered implementing some form of a self learning AI mechanism? (Would such a thing be technically feasible?)
 
@JanDvorak Hm. I thought it did, let me check.
 
@AnnaLear oh, meant we are lame here that we get so excited about it ;)
@InfiniteRecursion thanks! Actually the gift is given today! (late party, it was nearly two months ago and was delayed because, well, rockets)
 
@JanDvorak You're right; then checking for title change is actually worth it.
 
@JanDvorak is there any bot yet that does read bodies?
 
@ShadowWizard the socket only contains an excerpt anyways
mine does read the excerpt, and it also fetches the entire body later
 
5:43 PM
@JanDvorak oh, I keep forgetting it's based on the sockets
 
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: PYGAME - DRAW BACKGROUND INSTEAD OF COLOR on stackoverflow.com
 
^ that's a new one
 
gtg, now going to the restaurant, cya!
 
@ShadowWizard See you!
 
@ShadowWizard enjoy!
 
5:44 PM
bye
 
thanks!
 
Sam
Have a nice time!
 
@ShadowWizard @Doorknob has created a bot called Firefighter that checks for bodies, but I don't thinks he already runs it.
 
attention : @Bart's sock has had enough and is requesting deletion
 
@lostsock the dick one?
 
5:46 PM
lol, no the one on his left foot
 
Maybe they can take the complete js room with them...
 
@JanDvorak ... how do you wear your socks?
@lostsock myeah, I have plenty of other ones with more reputation.
 
Stop putting pictures in my head!
 
@Bart I'm rather worried about how you wear your socks
 
5:47 PM
@JanDvorak it gets cold in switzlerland
 
@lostsock there's a reason men have their "balls" outside the body
 
@JanDvorak decoration, right?
 
thought they were just there for decoration
 
:D
 
@Bart to keep them cold
 
5:49 PM
uh oh ^ starting to think like @Bart
 
3 hours ago, by Bart
I will drag you all down to my level. Welcome to hell.
 
Someone should tell Martijn to not feed the sock of Bart
 
Especially not that one @rene. He be crazy
 
@JanDvorak he loves solving algorithmic problems. I hope as a hobby....
 
6:00 PM
Whom are you welcoming to hell now @Bart?
 
*whom
 
only if you learn
 
Depends who teaches. If the teacher goes ahead with yagni ideas and loses my respect, I won't be able to learn.
Thanks @pro
 
6:03 PM
@ProgramFOX that's least recently inserted, not least recently active
 
@JanDvorak The checkifspam methods gets called if a post is bumped, so isn't that the same?
 
@Bart your sock confessed to having higher rep account. Now I know your "reasons" :D
 
@ProgramFOX I mean, the post that is found in the cache should be moved to the front of the cache
so that it doesn't get kicked out when new arrives
 
@JanDvorak What do you mean exactly? The pop method removes the last element, and the new ones are inserted at position 0.
 
@ProgramFOX the old ones recently active stay at the back, though
 
6:07 PM
Amusing though, that you put your sock's post on hold @Bart
 
I had made my point @InfiniteRecursion.
 
@JanDvorak Yes, they are, but the questions at the back of the list are still taken in account.
 
until another one comes
 
@JanDvorak Oh, so you mean that the size of the list should be increased?
 
@ProgramFOX the size is fine. Which question you kick out when inserting a new one can be improved.
In computing, cache algorithms (also frequently called replacement algorithms or replacement policies) are optimizing instructions – or algorithms – that a computer program or a hardware-maintained structure can follow, in order to manage a cache of information stored on the computer. When the cache is full, the algorithm must choose which items to discard to make room for the new ones. == Overview == The average memory reference time is where = average memory reference time = miss ratio = 1 - (hit ratio) = time to make a main memory access when there is a miss (or, with multi-level cache,...
 
6:10 PM
Yes, infact you spent significant time today making points on meta and chat via that account. If the sock gets deleted, I will lose one frame of the animation though. Hope you know which animation @Bart.
 
@JanDvorak Hmm... interesting.
Got to go now, will continue working on the caching later.
 
@ProgramFOX Your pop isn't doing what you think it's doing
It's popping off the most recent one you added
 
change it to pop(0) instead of just pop(): ideone.com/ETv0vV
 
is there unshift?
 
6:21 PM
Belated happy birthday @sha. Hope you enjoy the evening and have an amazing year ahead :)
 
@JanDvorak I don't think so, based on this. But, I've never needed to hunt for it in my code, so that link is the result of a quick googling
 
crap^
 
^its a well written, answerable maths question, not crap
 
did you even look at the preview? Never mind the screaming, the accidental mathjax formatting makes your homework dump unreadable. — Jan Dvorak 1 min ago
 
Sam
6:37 PM
Honestly. Has he even heard of Google?!
 
No, he must be using duckduckgo
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A: When/Why a question with accepted answer and more answers is deleted?

George StockerThe argument for deleting these questions is that: It's poor, it shows no effort at solving, no researched demonstrated, about 19 non-constructive comments and finally it asks for "the best solution".... That's about as bad as a question can get.... Of course, the OP could also be talking a...

 
6:52 PM
@lostsock No I don't think I ever figured that out
 
watch out! we're about to get ddos'd!
and another one
FYI - I'm pinging you here because the persons main account is sitting in the room watching still
 
a green swastika? he would have gone straight to a camp for such a sacrilege! :p
(both have been eradicated)
 
someone is really butthurt :P
 
they still appear on my face wall
 
7:01 PM
they're not even funny
 
I do
 
Not to repeat rlemon, but now it's just becoming swastikas everywhere and I don't want that showing on my screen at work. I can't chat in the JS room until they are removed. Plus it's getting offensive, and I'm a noted non-religious jewish guy.
Hope a mod can stop this soon
 
@SterlingArcher use the sticky sidebar script
 
7:06 PM
can a mod actually kick the users from the rooms?
 
@JanDvorak what's that?
 
but really @ThiefMaster do mods have the ability to remove users from a room?
 
we can kick
and then destroy.. but chat/main accounts need to be destroyed separately
 
i've been linking all users in here
 
ah, then all are gone
 
7:11 PM
I'm just over 15K....moar power!
 
hahaha
 
ohhh sweet, thanks!
 
@Andy I don't use append, I use insert to insert new data at position 0, and pop removes the element at the end of the array, so it works fine.
 
7:18 PM
or that^
 
@ProgramFOX Well then. Carry on. Sorry about that
 
@ThiefMaster should I ping you with each? or are you checking back at all?
 
i'll actually be AFK in a few moments...
 
@AndrewBarber just joined the rooms
so at least there is someone :P
thanks btw
 
7:24 PM
Thanks @ThiefMaster <3
 
This is why they pick SO chat.
There are rarely any mods around.
 
well TM was handling it
Andrew Barber is in the rooms atm
 
no one doing anything now :/
but they know.
 
There should be a rep requirement for custom avatars
 
7:34 PM
Quick thought: why not make a custom avatar something that you unlock with rep? Say at 10 rep like the other new user bits?
@SterlingArcher stealing my idea! shakes fist
 
@Ffisegydd ha I was just about to post your quote
You beat me to it
 
you guys should get that on meta
 
that sounds like a good idea to me.
 
I like that idea
 
His idea, he can post it
 
7:34 PM
I'll post it now
 
especially in chat.
 
@Ffisegydd you now owe the post-it company $4 for using their name
 
also, this guy is still around: chat.stackoverflow.com/users/4009330/user4009330
@rlemon don't onebox please
 
7:38 PM
meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/270660/… I put it on meta.SO as this seems to be an issue with SO in particular but arguably it is valid for all of SE
 
pasted and tabbed off. my bad
seriously, can someone remove these users from the chat rooms please?
 
the guy conveying a message is still there
 
his main account was purged.
 
what about the rest?
 
still around
 
7:50 PM
slowed down
mom probably called him for dinner
 
> Mom! More hotpockets!
 
Looks like it is under control now.
 

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