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1:02 AM
There's no flag button on the podcasts, so I thought I'd drop this here:
 
 
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2:36 AM
stupid spammers.
5
 
 
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Y U NO FLAG?
its 14 and 24 minutes since these spams are there
 
5:34 AM
Can somebody please explain purpose of this post. I am really unable to get it :-/
 
downvoted/closevoted
 
@DroidDev it doesn't seem to seek discussion. Closing.
 
@DroidDev damnit, you beat me to it
where did the go...
 
@user0000000 :P
at first I thought, there might be some problem with my understanding, because of such a high rep of user, that's why I asked here
 
this guy is not very polite. Don't worry, this is normal.
 
5:40 AM
the kid is just having fun, or relieving his stress through yelling.. perfectly normal
 
oh! ok.
LOL
 
@DroidDev: this question will most likely be deleted soon.
 
@FinalContest good, according to me, it is just useless anyway and if this is allowed, I'll post a question of this type everyday in meta, because I also wander about in for at-least 4 hours a day.
 
@DroidDev expect a lot of downvotes
 
@DroidDev:
This. Establish credibility by being polite, giving an answer to the immediate problem and then dispense the advice. The knowledge may be ignored by the poster, but years from now your advice might guide another novice programmer. Alternatively, don't answer at all. Some questions (while valid) add very little to the site. — Tim Medora May 5 at 8:45
 
@JanDvorak I was just kidding. I don't post a lot of questions.
@FinalContest Alternatively, don't answer at all, these days, I am just following this line, but now, I just started thinking about years from now your advice might guide another novice programmer, but, only if they care to search. Btw, I am also a novice programmer.
but this comment has a good point and I'll surely follow it from now on
 
6:24 AM
anyone else having problems with stuff loading from the CDN ?
it's either taking 30+ seconds or not loading at all for me
 
@rene sure, after all it's for the good of all MSE ;)
@Werner I disagree. The number splitting into two lines was way more ugly, now it's just little annoyance we can live with, in my opinion.
 
7:03 AM
@ShadowWizard Not "we"... "you" maybe.
 
 
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8:38 AM
 
9:28 AM
I must find some spare time for creating a signature replica of the AVGN logo. He is the Angry VideoGame Nerd.... I may become the Angry SharePoint Dev.
Our reactions are already pretty similar.
 
10:28 AM
Mae Gowannen
 
gone...
 
11:01 AM
@rene I tried editing the Where close voted I as the last one to FIRST ONE, but I suck.. tried lots of different things as you can see here data.stackexchange.com/users/12986/user000000 . But yea, please don't do it if your not interested in seeing the questions you closed in which you were the first cv.
 
11:35 AM
Hmmm, let me see....maybe it was only easy in my head...
 
12:07 PM
does anyone want to read all these comments stackoverflow.com/questions/23456613/… ?
 
woah!! so many on a -2. I am impressed. I'm gonna read them all............done :)
 
i flagged 3 comments as too chatty, i'll let the lucky mod who gets those flags decide what to do : 0
 
lucky mod LOL
 
@user0000000 most likely nuke them all, it's one click.
 
@user0000000 better raise a custom flag on one of the comments or on the answer, mods don't always check to see if there are more comments to be deleted.
 
12:12 PM
Being a private discussion between two users it doesn't add anything to the post itself, they could move to chat.
 
@rene Sweet, you're awesome. Thank you!
 
0 rows returned in 1620 ms :P
 
Besides that this is close to a link-only answer, the question is tagged with c# so providing a link to a javascript regex seems weird and on top of that we have a popular answer for parsing html with regex.rene 29 secs ago
 
12:42 PM
@user0000000 they're all gone :)
 
Reinstalled my Windows
 
1:03 PM
@3ventic last famous words of so many....
 
Currently installing 92 Windows updates
and that's before driver updates and the big update to Windows 8.1, and then the updates to that
sigh
Luckily cloud settings are a thing for pretty much all larger programs nowadays
 
@3ventic go, have a world tour until they all complete.
 
~60 of them installed already
 
1:15 PM
Update: Installing browser selection for European area after I already installed Chrome through IE facedesk
 
@3ventic That is one of the good things the EU has brought us.....
 
but that it is installed as an update is a fail
especially since the selection was there before Win8 was even a thing
 
agreed...
 
I think the browser choice screen is useless. Either you know what you're doing and you'll install the browser of your choice regardless of having that screen, or you don't know what you're doing and your son/grandson/go-to IT guy will make a choice for you.
my grandmother uses Chrome because I told her to, not because the EU gave her a choice
 
Well, it was that or pay a lot of money to the EU...
gtg
 
1:30 PM
@rene yeah MS did what they had to do, my "rant" is more directed towards Neelie Kroes :)
cya
 
It does allow you to get access to your favorite browser quicker though
assuming your favorite browser is in the selection of course
 
2:02 PM
Is there a userscript to enable a wide layout on SE? I'm tired of 80-column wide code blocks.
 
2:20 PM
@Stijn did you search stackapps.com?
 
@ShadowWizard yeah, didn't find anything. I think I'll settle on a small script that gives code blocks a smaller font size.
bye, going home early to watch Belgium play on a big screen :)
 
@Stijn good luck! (they say size doesn't matter, but it does matter in TV screens! ;))
 
2:57 PM
Would anyone like to provide some more sympathy upvotes for this question?
 
K. Hi from a bus.
 
@jadarnel27 Really?
@bjb568 Hi from home...
 
@jadarnel27 sympathy is off topic on Stack Overflow
@bjb568 hi from a chair
 
It's not too bad. Since I see crap everywhere, this is signal.
 
I believe we have had wolfdog here before but why is the rep count on his meta acount so much different from his SO account
Don't say caching!
 
3:03 PM
@rene It is caching...
he got +30 12 minutes ago
8 rep on MSO, 38 on SO
(the upvotes seem a bit fishy if you ask me..)
 
Wow... 2 more upvotes on that question?
 
@3ventic Yeah, I agree
 
All he had to do was Google that error.
 
continues to download Windows 8.1 Pro from Windows Store
apps take full screen :(
 
Haha, he's on his third question of the day now regarding optional parameters in an MVC controller.
 
3:07 PM
@jadarnel27 who's that?
 
@3ventic Sympathy upvotes, I can guess who cast them.
 
AndreaNobli?
 
Yeah.
 
At least he seems to be explaining the problem properly
 
"You can google it" is not a valid downvote reason (IMO), we are here to create google results.
 
3:09 PM
True, @3ventic. There are certainly much worse askers out there.
 
@jadarnel27 but that is the same question as before...
 
2
Q: SO reputation is different from MSO reputation

nicaelOn Stack Overflow I have 585 reputation and on Meta Stack Overflow only 535. It's been like this for half an hour already. As far as I know reputation, should be the same on both sites, unless I'm missing something?

 
@ShadowWizard tnx
 
@bjb "Does not show any research effort" is a valid downvote reason. It appears this user is just hitting one problem after the other, and almost immediately posting them on SO for quick answers.
Rather than...ya know, spending a couple minutes and keystrokes trying to solve his own problem.
Of course, I realize that this happens constantly on SO, and much worse. I was just sharing an example I saw today that bugged me.
 
I only ask on SO as my last option..
 
3:17 PM
We might already stumble upon code bases that don't have any comments but only links to stackoverflow posts...
 
lol
 
3:30 PM
@jadarnel27 Yea, if no research effort, I'll look for excuses to downvote or close. But not on its own.
 
3:53 PM
I don't follow that at all.
If there's no research effort, you'll look for some other reason to downvote it?
 
4:31 PM
Because it indicates a bad asker, not question.
 
@3ventic IMO, you only need to apply 1 update to do the jump from 8.0 to 8.1
 
@ShadowWizard where?
 
5:13 PM
@Shog9 when we will move out WP?
 
not soon enough
 
5:45 PM
:(
 
Should there be a conical duplicate for "I failed this unreasonable review audit" type questions on Meta SO? I've seen a billion of those questions and the general response seems to be: It sucks, the system's broken, they don't actually mean anything, if you got banned flag down a mod.
 
6:03 PM
It should go even further with a dispute-audit button built in to review.
 
@bjb568 And then what?
 
6:19 PM
And then annoy the mods when it's pushed.
 
@Stijn Congrats, nice goal by Mertens...
 
@bjb568 Yes, annoying people who can do literally nothing about it sounds like a great idea.
 
@bjb568 yeah the point of the post would hopefully be to end needless discussion about it as nothing really can be done
Audits are going to be failed, but many more audits will be successful in doing their job
 
@Anna Lift ban?
 
@bjb568 not every failed audit bans, and not every ban is undeserved.
 
6:41 PM
I know. But at least there can be an option to lift the ban. And a notification for whether the audit is actually bogus.
 
6:57 PM
@Stijn Please give up your sock-puppet ... meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/260831/duplicate-account
 
@rene nail biting game :)
 
I have to admit I have only seen the goals on the VRT when they were discussed by Jan Mulder...but hey, you won!
 
isn't this spam? ^
 
Out-of-context hard to tell
 
@rene never thought I'd be the subject of a Meta discussion, but I'm glad it's not about some terrible thing I might have done
 
7:12 PM
@ShadowWizard you think Harvard Law is spamming us?
 
@Stijn You're famous now ;)
 
It's possible.
 
@Shog9 dunno, but in the best case it's off topic nonsense/trolling unless I missed the point
 
@ShadowWizard did you read the article?
 
(Btw, this mobile site stinks)
 
7:14 PM
The idea is essentially to allow folks to "buy" more influence, but with a dramatically higher cost as your purchase increases. One man one vote is cheap; one man 2 votes is 4x as expensive.
Not saying it's a good idea, but I do see how it relates.
 
@Shog9 not really. But reference to external website, keyword "buy" are enough to ring the bells.
@Shog9 sounds familiar, pretty sure it was suggested on MSE already
 
Not every bell needs to ring...
 
@ShadowWizard and this is why keyword matching alone is a poor spam filter (or question quality check, for that matter)
 
@AnnaLear true.
 
Humans FTW! (wait, did I just say that?)
 
7:19 PM
@ShadowWizard this is why we use Humans for identifying spam instead of robots like you
Genuine Human Brains - accept no imitations!
Available at Costco, CVS and Walgreens
 
@Shog9 you got me! {sulks off to shed virtual tears in the darkness}
 
I'm tempted to change my display name to Stijn just to make a point. — Shadow Wizard 14 mins ago
that's +2 now
 
@Stijn if it reach 20 in 2 days I'll change my display name on SO :-D
4
bonus cake
 
8:03 PM
@AnnaLear hmm... phone numbers work pretty well as a spam keyword
 
@ShadowWizard baked-by-the-shadow?
 
Oh hay Jan!
 
hello
 
Hey guys, Oded referred me to here from my question to weigh in y'alls input. meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/260840/…
I'm not sure what else there is to say, but do you think there is a case of "legit serial voting"?
I personally don't like the idea of stumbling on a user with bad quality posts and not being able to downvote as needed.
Abusable yes, but as it stands all one could do is simply walk away.
 
the idea is that you shouldn't be visiting the user's profile
 
8:13 PM
But why?
 
just to prevent malicious serial voting
 
I hope there is a way to distinguish between -- because this is a bit of a flaw in the voting system. Voting without malice should be encouraged, not blocked because people abuse voting.
But of course, I understand that it is difficult to do so.
 
My sources say there is talk of serial voting here?
 
Possiblah
s/talk/conspiracy/
 
@Undo exactly
 
8:17 PM
My opinion is that bad content is bad content and should be down voted, no matter where it's found.
But yeah, hard for the system / mods to distinguish from... questionable behavior.
 
Maybe if there was a way to distinguish a relationship between the voter and the voted-upon?
 
the problem is that there isn't.
 
A database could check if you have voted, commented, viewed or chatted with said user
No, but there could be.
 
I would love to say that you should DV all such crap, regardless of how you got to it, but with how serial votes are detected, that is counter productive at this time. — Oded ♦ 1 min ago
 
I can't say much about the mod tools with regards to such things, but I can say that it would really be impossible to tell the difference between malice and justice.
So my vote is a strong meh.
 
8:20 PM
@JanDvorak your idea is a good one. Bringing it to chat is a fair way to do so. Downvotes for all, without being a dick, nor serial voting yourself.
 
also, the pain of -1's is diluted
 
@RUJordan this scares me. Because then I could chat with a user, then (maliciously) serial down vote them and it's fine?
 
@Undo but then there's chat evidence of malice
 
Not really.
Words are cheap.
 
Not when printing them on things D: Kinkos charges so much...
Hmm
There has to be a way. It's simply unfair to label it all as serial voting, this being a community driven site, only to say we can't crack down on a user just because sometimes it's voted with malicious intent.
 
8:23 PM
I agree.
But it's about practicality.
Slippery slope be that.
I could write a script that goes through a user's answers and down votes everyone that doesn't have correct grammar. Is that good or bad?
 
@Undo bad
 
@Undo I think you already know the answer
 
Yes, but just because somebody makes a water bottle explode in a mall, you can't simply ban water bottles. (For the sensitive, I'm referring to a non-lethal explosion by chemical expansion)
 
@JanDvorak okay, would it be okay if I went through them by hand? (cc @RUJordan)
 
Look at history: when has banning things because something bad happened ever solve said issue?
It only inhibits those who follow the rules.
prohibits?
Yeah prohibits.
This is a less extreme case of course but the foundational logic is there.
 
8:27 PM
@RUJordan so, almost everyone would be able to serially downvote Jon Skeet...
 
@JanDvorak The problem is that if I came across any one of those answers (assume perfect script) during normal browsing, I would downvote them. So...
 
"assume perfect script" - this is unrealistic
 
@AnnaLear because his Q&As are of poor content..? I'm afraid I don't quite understand
 
Having spent a couple years investigating vote fraud claims, I can safely say that in practice malicious downvoting cases far exceed the "but this guy posted a lot of bad questions and I read all of them".
 
@JanDvorak Assume it is.
 
8:28 PM
Ok, let's go 180 on this.
 
Assume it's a very fast Undo in a very small Python script. If I point very fast Undo at a certain user, is that targeting or site cleanup?
 
Anna, you say the malice exceeds the legit -- so why not submit "Serial Vote Claims" so that you can safely, with approval (grumble grumble) vote as needed?
 
@RUJordan What do you mean?
 
Believe me, if we could come up with a heuristic to figure out when DVs are done on merit and not malice, we would have. Serial voting is a real problem though, and the automated tools to reverse it are needed - yes, it stands in the way of punishing bad contributors in this way, but I'd rather have the former than the latter (at least when it comes to going through the posts of a user).
Don't forget that there are lots of people who can downvote bad stuff - you don't have to do it all yourself.
 
Scenario: I find a user. I submit to the comminuty [new review section?] "Hey guys, this user has a lot of bad answers. Do you agree? [Community says yes] :vote: [Community says no] :votes will be reversed:
 
8:31 PM
@Anna - sounds like a "serial votes review queue"...
 
I ... uh. no.
(Side note: let's not forget that all this applies to serial upvotes as well as downvotes.)
 
@RUJordan - that ignores the fact of robo-reviewers
 
The amount and kind of information you have to go through in order to establish voting fraud is more than we can expose publicly.
And pretty much no good can come out of publicly reviewing users (which is effectively what you're suggesting here).
 
so, serial-voting is rolled back automatically with no oversight, right?
 
So I'm assuming Stack is more than happy to leave it as is, and "possibly" attend to it in the future?
 
8:33 PM
@canon sometimes
Gauging intent is further challenging. Let's say you downvote all of user's posts. How would you tell, automatically, whether those are because the posts are bad, because the user downvoted one of your posts and you got mad, etc?
or how about, if you upvote a bunch of user's posts... is it because you're a sock-puppet, an excited coworker, or do you simply run into each other a lot in the same tags?
 
As I said before, establish a relationship tracker (chat replies/pings, question/answer views/votes). I'm sure with that data, you could easily establish grounds for serial upvoting as well.
 
You'd be surprised.
You appear to be under the impression that we haven't thought about it/don't care or that this whole thing has a simple solution, neither of which is true.
 
@RUJordan you would hit lots of false positives.
 
Ok, no big deal. If it can't be done it can't be done. Thanks for your time :)
 
@RUJordan - if you can figure out a way it can be done, with a very small rate of false positives, please go ahead and post a .
 
8:40 PM
I'll give it some thought, but I'm not the sharpest crayon in the pack. If nobody on Stack has had a good idea, it's definitely not going to come from me.
 
So like.. is this just where the mods hangout and gamble and whatnots?
 
@rene lol no! baked by a friend of a far cousin, posted on his Wall ;)
(it's his B/day today)
 
@ShadowWizard :) Congratulations from me...
 
hmm
 
8:44 PM
One more question -- I really don't understand the point of meta.SO vs. meta.SE. Can somebody clarify it to me (if somebody links to the meta page I will grumble)? I have read it, I don't quite get it.
 
@RUJordan meta.SO aka MSO is for questions about Stack Overflow only. meta.SE aka MSE if for questions about the whole Stack Exchange network
 
Alright, sub question. Why does it reflect your SO rep?
 
@RUJordan because it's a child meta, not a "real" site
 
Pretty real to me ;) </joke>
 
not real in the sense of no reputation of its own :)
 
8:47 PM
I hope it's changed. I don't really like that part of it. Somebody with 100k rep can have good hax skillz, but can have pretty crappy ideas to the site
Not that reputation means everything, but it does make a biased view point. People tend to trust higher reps (not that they should) but yeah
Just kind of thinking outloud here
Not too chatty I guess?
 
@RUJordan nope, this won't change.
@RUJordan it's the Tavern here. Hard to be too chatty. ;)
 
I don't come here often, so your reference there kinda whooshed over me.
 
@RUJordan what reference? I replied on several messages :)
 
"Hard to be too chatty"
Oh, I wasn't referring to just you. Errbody.
 
@RUJordan oh, I see. Better reply to messages (see little arrow appear on the right when hovering a message, next to the flag and star), this way it's chained.
 
9:00 PM
Don't worry, I know how the chat works :) I'm a room owner in the JavaScript room
Not that that holds weight, but.. yeah.
 
@RUJordan oh, assumed you were not aware of the reply as it would have saved this question :)
 
You know what happens when one assumes things :D
 
@RUJordan terrible, terrible things
 
I know right? Like.. there's a chance that you're wrong.
Utterly turrible. D:
 
9:30 PM
I think they should ban 0:0 in the world cup. Game ending with no goals? Add more time. Still nothing after 120 minutes? Penalty kicks. Really!
 
Yeah I find soccer pretty boring, and the fact that there can be a tie is just... horrible. I hate that the NFL added a tie rule
 
@ShadowWizard Meh, this isn't hockey.
You can have a really good soccer game that's still tied at the end. Nothing wrong with that. Sticking around to watch more people run around for a single goal isn't an improvement.
 
9:48 PM
Are people talking about humans again! >:(
Games that aren't about code should be banned completely!
 
wut
 
wut
 
 
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11:33 PM
How is this not not constructive?
 
@bjb568 Cleaned up.
 
:)
 

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