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hichris123

1:36 AM

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/q/2476280/2581872

What... happened to the Tavern?

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/21762920/…

Louis

It's just gone quiet.

hichris123

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/q/289645/2581872

@Louis :(

Louis

1:55 AM

"I don't want to sniff my own packets" brought this to mind...

Braiam

@Louis TOTALLY RELEVANT!

Louis

The phrase is (with minor changes) from the question that hichris123 linked to. As for the dog, well, I never claimed my mind makes relevant associations between ideas.

Stilly.stack

2:54 AM

cv-pretty-pretty-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/23643841/…

cv-plz-wtf stackoverflow.com/questions/23668441/…

bjb568

3:15 AM

Hello.

Andy

hi

bjb568

4:00 AM

Very conversation..

michaelb958

> Eat, drink and be merry, for in six to eight weeks we die.

michaelb958

5:47 AM

Trouble in paradise: Stack Apps question locked due to content dispute

Shadow Wizard

6:47 AM

24 repz returned to their rightful owners

meta.stackexchange.com/a/158410

Mysticial

6:58 AM

Is it just me or is close voting broken on meta.SE?

I'm unable to VTC this: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/231650/…

Jan Dvorak

@Mysticial downvoting seems to work just fine

but flagging seems to hang

Mysticial

I'm unable to flag the spam that just got posted.

Yeah, both closing and flagging seems to hang.

rene

SPAM meta.stackexchange.com/questions/231651/…

Mysticial

@rene Yeah we know. But flagging and closing both seem to hang.

Jan Dvorak

@rene is it the one that Mystical is talking about?

should I downvote in the meantime?

DroidDev

7:04 AM

I just downvoted it, that worked fine, but flagging is still animating three dots, before FlagQuestion button.

rene

@JanDvorak missed that...

Amal Murali

Oy.

What's the best thing to do when you discover that a useful answer with lots of upvotes was copied from multiple sources? Flag? Ignore?

Jan Dvorak

@AmalMurali comment?

Amal Murali

@JanDvorak saying what?

Shadow Wizard

> Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'closeSubmitting' of undefined

JS error.

No request is ever sent to the server when trying to flag or close.

Jan Dvorak

7:07 AM

this means that we can fix this with a userscript... right?

Shadow Wizard

@JanDvorak probably

Amal Murali

lol, my flag message exceeds the limit by 600 characters :-P

Mysticial

The mods probably can't do anything either. You might need a dev to push a change.

Shadow Wizard

@Mysticial true.

Jan Dvorak

worse, flagging is broken on ELU as well

rene

7:15 AM

Time to ping a dev?

Shadow Wizard

@rene I'm pretty sure they know about it already.

@Oded just in case, see above fuss. :)

@Anna ^

rene

@JanDvorak same for SO

Shadow Wizard

Closing via the close review still works though.

Probably different code, how lucky! ;)

Darshan

hiii all

DroidDev

0

Q: Closing animation never ends

I just tried to close a question as unclear, however I was not able to. The three animated dots to the left of the button never stop animating. I tried it several times. Perhaps a transient problem, but I would like call attention to it by asking on meta.

bug

should it be migrated to meta.stackexchange?

Oh is see

Shadow Wizard

7:22 AM

@DroidDev nah, no harm having it in both places

rene

Better leave it

Darshan

my mail account is close so how to open stackoverflow account ? any idea ??

DroidDev

finally

Shadow Wizard

@Darshan eh? What mail account? what happens if you try to login? How you can post here if you're not logged in?

Stijn

@Darshan You can no longer access the mail account you use to log in to Stack Overflow?

rene

7:23 AM

@ShadowWizard just learn some Dutch please: issie means...oh, that is not a word in Dutch as well...

Shadow Wizard

Fix is being pushed for this right now. — Tim Post ♦ 1 min ago

Darshan

with my friend account

Shadow Wizard

@rene lol

Darshan

but my old gmail account is close and my stackoverflow account is configured with my gmail account

Martijn Pieters

Wheel of blame time!

Darshan

7:26 AM

so how to login for my old SO account get all reputition return

?

rene

@Darshan You should use the contact form for that...

Darshan

means ?

any link for contact form ? please give me

rene

@Darshan meta.stackexchange.com/contact

Jan Dvorak

still can't flag on ELU...

Martijn Pieters

Look at the revision number in the footer, @Jan.

Jan Dvorak

7:29 AM

@MartijnPieters today.1607

Martijn Pieters

Currently, SO is at 2014.5.15.1607, MSE is 2014.5.15.2247

when that number changes you have the new version.

rene

@Darshan searching for lost account gives some hits, this one for example: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/156747/…

Martijn Pieters

MSO is 2247 as well.

Jan Dvorak

so, 1607 is the broken one? What is the ETA for a new version?

Martijn Pieters

Minutes; if Tim says the new version is being pushed.

Jan Dvorak

7:31 AM

ping me then, please

and flag this one: english.stackexchange.com/questions/170646/…

DroidDev

edit on that spam is pretty good, there should be a script running on SE which should apply this edit to all the posts, which are marked as spam by two or more users

rene

No, it shouldn't

The spam content is needed for the filter

only flag that crap

don't leave comments

Martijn Pieters

@Jan: New Meta release is 2250

Amal Murali

@ErikKowal the fix is already being deployed. What are you going to do when flagging works again? — Jan Dvorak 43 secs ago

Bet he didn't see that coming :-P

Shadow Wizard

@rene true but in those very rare cases I think it's better edit the spam away until flagging is fixed the rolling back before flagging.

Oh, too late now I see. :(

Jan Dvorak

7:37 AM

@ErikKowal moreover, you really don't want spammers to know when flagging breaks — Jan Dvorak 10 secs ago

rene

@ShadowWizard I agree with that...

SO is working now

Martijn Pieters

@Jan: 1608 is out.

Shadow Wizard

7:56 AM

All back to normal.

2

Jan Dvorak

SPAM askubuntu.com/questions/466211/…

rene

@ShadowWizard Judging by the spam coming in you're correct...

Shadow Wizard

Prepare your smiting sticks!

0

A: Using the "flag" loophole to pass every review audit

This was a major annoyance as far as I'm concerned. The close and flag dialogues have finally made their review audit debut in build rev 2014.5.15.2250 on meta and 2014.5.15.1608 on sites. Await some robo-reviewer lash back.

This was what caused the bug

rene

Why do you think c# is a great tag for a question on bash? — rene 12 secs ago

@ShadowWizard I don't understand what has changed now...

Amal Murali

Me too ^

rene

8:13 AM

Aargh, I justed wasted an upvote on Marc Gravell

Amal Murali

How so?

needaname

Is it possible to remove all my contributions on Stack Overflow?

Jan Dvorak

@needaname no

needaname

Or should I file a complaint?

Ok

Amal Murali

@needaname As in "delete your account"? Yes. "Delete your posts"? No.

needaname

8:23 AM

There are info of personal domain in there.

Who's the head of the entire Stack Exchange organization?

I nearly finished a Discussion Platform software and want to move my content there.

rene

You could run a SEDE query to get your content and the delete your account.

That will leave the posts but they are no longer associated with an account

needaname

@rene Can a compromise be to change personal info with generic one?

rene

That is up to you. You can edit your profile, edit your posts to remove personal stuff without defacing the post.

Jan Dvorak

SPAM english.stackexchange.com/questions/170663/…

Bart

Yay

needaname

8:38 AM

Ok. Also removed an edit I made showing the solution.

needaname

9:01 AM

Can someone contact a developer to remove my contribution name?

As per this

35

A: How do I remove my name from a post, in accordance with CC:WIKI?

Stack Overflow is a collective work to which you have granted license to display and use your work (i.e. the post). A derivative work means someone has taken your post and recast or transformed your work (under Creative Commons) into their own work. If you would like to have your name removed fr...

Bart

Just flag for moderator attention

As per that post.

needaname

Ok

Louis

10:21 AM

cv-pls-off-site-resource stackoverflow.com/questions/23675082/…

cv-pls-lacks-info stackoverflow.com/questions/23669115/…

This last one (^^^) has been on there for 6 hours before it got the first close vote (mine).

Laszlo Papp

what to do if the question is not entirely the same, but the answer in one thread answers a question, more precisely:

-1

Q: How to create a 3D application in Qt gui

I am a beginner in Qt, very much interesting it is, i want to do a 3D application, can anyone guide me a Good understanding 3D application code? I tried some but unable to get them.

qt

It is way too broad question anyway, or even primarily opinion based, or even unclear.

feel free to close it, I do not have more close votes for today.

Bart

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/23662154/…

Louis

@LaszloPapp I've voted to close that question you mentioned as too broad. The mods have been clear that we should vote to close as duplicate on the basis of question similarity.

Lix

10:52 AM

Ahoy! ye tavern lovers!

DroidDev

Ahoy! Cap'n

I have something to tell to every user here, we missed morning train today

and noon train hasn't even started yet

Lix

Shiver me-upvotes laddys!

Laszlo Papp

11:08 AM

@Louis: yes, fair enough, thanks.

Amal Murali

Loading a new edit revision hides the "Marked as duplicate" notice. Possible bug?

Very similar:

6

Q: Clicking to load new edits doesn't load the new automated duplicate box

When someone has voted to close the question as a duplicate, then someone makes an edit to the question, the new automated duplicate box does not get loaded with the edit. If it was already there, it actually gets removed until you reload the page to insert it again. The box should be included a...

feature-request status-completed edits exact-duplicates live-refresh

This is now reproducible with posts closed using dupehammer. For example, this one.

Laszlo Papp

11:28 AM

stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/4819969 ...

yeah, right, tagname 'e'.

Amal Murali

There's only two questions total?

Stijn

Anyone else getting chat timeouts?

Lix

not here...

DroidDev

let me test

nope

Stijn

There seem to be two programming languages named e: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_%28programming_language%29 and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_%28verification_language%29

Shadow Wizard

11:43 AM

@rene there was some way to know if review is an audit by checking something in the close/flag dialogs so it is now fixed, i.e. one can't insta-detect an audit based on whatever it was. :)

Stijn

Isn't it still possible to detect if it's an audit by looking at the data on the page? I think there's an isAudit field or something like that.

Shadow Wizard

@needaname this would be Joel Spolsky, the only remaining CEO according to this page. But I don't think it's wise to contact him personally just to remove something from your posts.

@Lix where's the cake? ;)

Lix

@ShadowWizard

Shadow Wizard

@Lix ohhh, Bart will be so disappointed! :(

Lix

@ShadowWizard - yea... this has already been discussed :P

On the bright side though... we have some things to look forward to :P

@Lix Even if I bring a 50Keg? — deceze 1 hour ago

Shadow Wizard

11:51 AM

plz-close-delete-nuke meta.stackexchange.com/questions/231674/…

Jan Dvorak

12:02 PM

SPAM superuser.com/a/753786/176340 , stackoverflow.com/a/23677154/499214

Bart

@ShadowWizard The cake was a lie

Shadow Wizard

@Bart and your 10,000 repz?

Bart

12:17 PM

Still there @ShadowWizard. I've trained my sockpuppets well

Shadow Wizard

@JanDvorak sad part is the spammer read the whole About page in other site.

Braiam

is this question really on topic? stackoverflow.com/q/2588943/792066

Stijn

@Braiam I only glanced at it but it doesn't look like there's any programming involved. Looks like a pure maths question.

DroidDev

I'm certainly not gonna read it all

Shadow Wizard

@Stijn looks like it was good and on topic back in the old days thoguh.

I don't think there's much point closing it now.

Stijn

12:27 PM

There's also this: > Note: I understand that this is mostly a math question and not programming, however it is going to be implemented in code and it must be optimized to run very fast and efficient.

Edge case I guess

DroidDev

1:25 PM

someone is again back.

Bart

What's his problem?

Louis

Inability to read or use common sense seems to be the problem.

Stijn

He hasn't done anything but make a few suggested edits. No questions, no answers. Double account?

Is there an existing Meta question on why the "recomment deletion" reasons in the low quality review queue, are not available when simply encountering such an answer outside of the queue?

Louis

1:44 PM

Yeah, I've thought so myself. Bring unsubstantiated accusations from a throwaway account to dodge the inevitable backlash.

No idea re meta question.

GnomeSlice

2:09 PM

Today's Listening | House/Nu Disco/Dance

@Bart

Bart

:)

GnomeSlice

This is a nice one.

mikeTheLiar

Re: edit review audits - if something is clearly an audit, does the reject reason make a difference? I usually just pick "vandalism", but does it really matter?

Bart

Not really no. As long as you don't fail the audit.

mikeTheLiar

@Bart yeah, I'm just talking about when it's extremely obvious. Like I'm reading a Markov chain. Thanks for the clarification.

Andrew's a Unitato

3:25 PM

@mikeTheLiar Yeah, I do vandalism myself, too... since that's what they look like, anyway! /cc @Bart

Braiam

do I need eclipse to develop for android?

Bart

BREAKING NEWS: Moderator admits to acts of vandalism @Andrew'saUnitato

Louis

@Bart Yeah, I did a double take on that one too.

Braiam

@Bart huh?

Andrew's a Unitato

Eeek! Errmmm... Can I send myself the vandalism mod message? /cc @Bart @Louis

Bart

3:40 PM

What you do to/with yourself on your own time is none of my business @Andrew'saUnitato

mikeTheLiar

Breaking news! @Andrew'saUnitato committing vandalism! Lock yo' windows, lock yo' doors, 'cuz they vandalizing errythang up in here!

2

Laszlo Papp

3:54 PM

ah, wow, the duplicate power thingie got actualized?

I see more and more questions closed by one user.

with yellow circle after the visible user name

Braiam

@LaszloPapp lil' boys with new toys ;)

Laszlo Papp

I am not sure about it being a good idea

I would still say 2-3 people would be better than only one, potentially risking ping-pong game.

Braiam

they got 1 vote per Q and community can overrule them, so it's alright

Laszlo Papp

meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/254589/…

Louis

Yeah, it's been discussed in multiple posts on Meta.SO and Meta.SE.

Laszlo Papp

3:59 PM

that is not a complete idea IMHO

e.g. the qt tag has no gold badges

still a significant tag though with about 30K questions

Bart

So why are you still here @LaszloPapp? Get to work!!

Braiam

^ that

Bart

How can we call you a Guru if you don't have a golden badge yet?

Laszlo Papp

lemme rant in the thread right there...

well, a guru is over a diamond badge anyway?!

Braiam

guru is significantly more easier than the tag badge... is 1000 upvotes and 200 posts!

Laszlo Papp

4:01 PM

meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/254589/…

Bart

/me grabs popcorn and watches in anticipation to see Laszlo rant

Laszlo Papp

what we will see C++ "gurus" coming to the qt badge knowing nothing about it and closing.

:-(

and the actual qt gurus will not have even the same power.

Bart

Hey, as long as we close everything, we won't have a quality problem.

Braiam

@LaszloPapp just remove the tag of Qt questions that doesn't have anything to do with C++ and problem solved ;)

Bart

But let's just see how this thing works out. If nothing bad happens, great. If it turns out to be too drastic or often abused, it can still be dialled down a notch.

Braiam

4:05 PM

and if it's awesomesauce?

Bart

Then we'll close every question visited by a user with a golden badge.

Laszlo Papp

/me is becoming a golden badge whore

/me is writing a script for creating puppets.

Louis

@Braiam The insta-close-vote is based on the initial tags on the question, as I recall.

Braiam

@Louis ?

Bart

Wait, you can script that @LaszloPapp? And here I've been kidnapping children and attached them to my rig of strings ...

Louis

4:12 PM

@Braiam Maybe I just did not understand what you were saying there with "just remove the tag of Qt questions that doesn't have anything to do with C++ and problem solved". This will affect visibility but not the insta-close-vote power.

Braiam

@Louis but will affect those users that gets the Qt badges for C++ questions ;)

Louis

Er... well then I guess I just did not follow where you were going with this. Carry on, then.

Laszlo Papp

let us see how far I am ...

Braiam

@LaszloPapp 241 more upvotes to get the QT tag badge

rene

I have this user that notoriously seems to ignore the advice given. Can we cast some CV here: stackoverflow.com/questions/23671736/…

Andrew's a Unitato

4:23 PM

@mikeTheLiar Not everything... just @Bart's accepted/up-voted posts.

Laszlo Papp

I need only 250 upvotes for solidarity? :P

Andrew's a Unitato

@Bart real strings, or just wchar_t[]?

Laszlo Papp

perhaps I could cheat by going through the upvoted posts and if the qt tag is not added to the question yet, then add it? :P

Braiam

Vote Laszlo for ~~president~~ shinny-gold-tag-badge holder!

Laszlo Papp

that is fine anyway.

did rene get super power closure rights? :P

the top 10 deserves it :D

rene

4:27 PM

@LaszloPapp I'm not there yet..

Louis

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/23680387/…

Another case of "my question is in another castle."

rene

@Louis done

Louis

@rene Thanks. I did vote on yours earlier.

rene

Tnx

Laszlo Papp

@rene: you will be there today, no?

rene

4:33 PM

Yes, at the 21:00 UTC close vote event, assuming Soner doesn't start close voting from the queue...

Laszlo Papp

btw, just in case, I was joking about the solidarity upvotes :P

TGMCians

Hey all !

Laszlo Papp

hey

Bart

5:20 PM

QString @Andrew'saUnitato

Andrew's a Unitato

5:43 PM

@Bart Ahhh. hhhh... ....

Pëkka

What the hell is a Unitato?

Ah I see

There are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in our philosophy.

Jan Dvorak

amazing this is still alive

Bart

MSE is getting slow

Braiam

@JanDvorak "GO AWAY! YOU ARE DRUNK!"

Jan Dvorak

6:01 PM

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/23685520/…

Ionică Bizău

6:29 PM

Started 3rd bounty on my question... meta.stackexchange.com/q/214531/205508

rene

That Lance Roberts guy has a gold badge on MSE and now instantly closes a question as a dupe while I was writing an answer....gggrrrr...

Braiam

@rene you can still answer it within the 4 hours window :P

rene

Is that true?

Braiam

47

Q: How was this answer posted after this question was closed?

Question: lot of .exe folders are created on my windows7 Answer: try that... The question was closed at 11:57:57 (according to the hover-over-"x-mins-ago" bar) and the answer was posted at 12:16:35. It's a fairly lengthy answer, so it's possible that it was started to be written before it was c...

bug status-bydesign answers closed-questions

rene

I didn't start answering yet, I needed some preparation...

Jan Dvorak

6:37 PM

is SU dead? I can't load one question that needs flagging.

ah, loaded. superuser.com/questions/753946/…

TGMCians

that is SPAM

Jan Dvorak

flagged as such

Braiam

@JanDvorak heh, I saw it in the front page

TGMCians

perfect

Braiam

BOOM

Jan Dvorak

6:39 PM

can't load the comments or post mine

and now it's gone.

TGMCians

hmm

Jan Dvorak

I can't load from SU properly, but I still seem to get stuff through the realtime page socket.

Braiam

5

A: What is causing "An error has occurred" in review?

We disabled CloudFlare proxy that was causing issues and Nick's gonna investigate what broke and why in a few. In the meantime, though, review, comments, authentication, etc. should be working again.

^ related

Jan Dvorak

confirmed. The 404 page has loaded for me just fine.

rene

Oh boy, Linq has a performance problem... stackoverflow.com/questions/23686258/…

Bart

8:14 PM

Does anyone get what is asked here?

1

Q: What happens when your answer is unaccepted but it is the answer for the OP?

Regarding my question, I am not familiar with the process of unaccept an answer. So I want to know if after the OP reads the answer and find that it solves his problems but and accept it. But the -15 remains. So the person who is the initiator of the unaccept will remove it or will be notified?

bug reputation answers accepted-answer

Andy

Do this user's questions seem like seeding for the opshub tag to anyone else? stackoverflow.com/users/3627522/opshub-inc

That tag was created the same day as the user too

stackoverflow.com/posts/23601492/revisions

Bart

Sigh, yes ...

rene

@Bart I think he doesn't want the -15 if the OP initially accepted but then accept an other answer?

Bart

I've written an answer. Let's see if that gets a "d'oh" or if we get some clarification.

rene

@Andy There is also this revision history that is weird...

Bart

8:26 PM

Given your account name and activity, I'm guessing you're trying to seed content for the opshub tag? If so, please refer to meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/253849/… and meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/252204/…. — Bart 42 secs ago

rene

the questions are not great..

Bart

Nope. Facepalm #1 with companies who try to move their support to SO

rene

Are those two users that answer stackoverflow.com/questions/23610530/… the sockpuppets?

Undo

16 review items on mSE, ripe for the taking...

rene

They also clashed on that answer I linked earlier...

Bart

8:31 PM

Not entirely sure @rene.

rene

@Undo I need moar rep for that...

@Bart It can be a coincedence...

Bart

Yeah, it seems this mrhinsh is just very active in the domain

"If you have any quesitons about OpsHub Visual Studion Online Migration Utility, please post them to StackOverflow (www.stackoverflow.com) with hashtags #opshub and #visual-studio-online. OpsHub team will be periodically reviewing the questions posted there and answering them as appropriate."

From visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/…

rene

His profile made me smile...looks like the HR department of OpsHub inc. wrote it

Bart

Hashtags ... please people, don't move your support to SO if you have no freaking clue how it works.

Andy

#Bart #hashtags are #awesome!

#hashtag

Bart

8:38 PM

#smitingstick

Ooh, what did I miss?

Andy

A link to this: static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/111254/… The animated gif was bothering me though

Bart

hehe

rene

cv-pls-dupe-of-same-q-and-op stackoverflow.com/questions/22395962/…

There are still some seats available for the Close vote event that just started...

Stijn

9:25 PM

Anyone familiar with handlebars.js? Are stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/handlebars.js and stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/handlebars two different things?

Jan Dvorak

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/3433655/…

Stijn

Out of votes @Jan? :)

Jan Dvorak

timed out

rene

It is not a welcome practice to change your question after you got an answer that you accepted. Just ask a new question referencing this one. — rene 18 secs ago

Is that ^^^^^ a help vampire?

Stijn

@rene Yes.

rene

9:32 PM

Should the edit be rolled back?

Stijn

Yep, but I've already done that :)

rene

Ah, tnx :)

@LaszloPapp I think it is save to say now that I'm in the top 10 of the all time close vote reviewers...

Laszlo Papp

9:57 PM

cv-pls-duplicate stackoverflow.com/questions/23671979/…

rene, s/save/safe/ -> gz.

I would close it as dup with gold badge :)

TheDoctor

10:15 PM

hi

Stijn

@TheDoctor hello

Laszlo Papp

reject: stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/4825374

TheDoctor

The pings here are weird

michaelb958

10:51 PM

@TheDoctor The pings here are awesome.

TheDoctor

I'm used to the beta pings.

animuson

I'm considering applying for a... programming job. What has the world come to?

GnomeSlice

@TheDoctor They sound the same everywhere but here.

TheDoctor

oh

@the

@TheDoc

animuson

:o I don't know about this company... "We make lemonade." Errr, hmmm. Pretty sure you're not supposed to make lemonade. You're supposed to make life take the lemons back. This may be a problem.

2

TCPMAN.EXE

11:05 PM

One doesn't simply make life take the lemons back, one lobbies the government to have lemons banned.

2

animuson

3

Undo

11:53 PM

1

Q: What is a generator?

I am trying to read up on the math behind DH and ran into the word generator used a lot. I am not sure what it means. Can someone explain? I see this question where the OP talks about g as the generator. The accepted answer does not make me understand what a generator is. I always thought g is ...

diffie-hellman

^ This is where I feel like I've been all day :P

2

TheDoctor

CR?

Undo

I mean, what are the chances of that?

@TheDoctor click teh linkz :P

TheDoctor

Oh, cryptography. (lowercase r)

Undo

@animuson Make sure you don't tell them your username, you might have unilaterally closed their totally fave question :P

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