Tavern on the Meta

2:06 AM

There's quite a few things that are going to be a bit off, we're sorting out everything from leagues to the tag engine to everything else. It's also very unlikely that I'm going to begin migrating stuff back over to MSO before this AM NY time, if anything explodes after the devs to go bed in a bit, well, that'd be awful.

Doorknob

Yay, success! :P

hichris123

@TimPost Get Jin in here tomorrow ASAP. :P

Doorknob

Made it into the chatroom

Well, what an exciting day

goes back to code golf-land to continue war with CR

Jin

Hi

Doorknob

hey @Jin!

We've found a few design ~~issues~~ annoyances :P

Mainly excess or not enough padding on lots of places

(Tags, buttons, etc.)

Jin

2:15 AM

@Doorknob i'll be going through the site for style tweaks.

Doorknob

Thanks!

Jin

i gave up on launching a flawless css bug free site. i suck

Tim Post

@Jin You have the go from the comm team to roll out the hot dog stand theme at your discretion if complaints get too annoying.

Jin

@TimPost did you see the hotdog theme i did for SO a while back?

Doorknob

Lol, not bugs so much as just annoyances

Tim Post

2:17 AM

@Jin Yes, though I don't remember where or how I got a look at it

hichris123

@Jin ... says the amazing designer for SE that everyone loves. :P

Jin

@hichris123 ha you'd think by now, after 40-ish site launches, i'd get the css down..

The Wobbuffet

I was summoned.

I was told amazing things were happening, please explain.

hichris123

@Jin What's the favicon for mSE going to be?

Jin

@hichris123 just se's

The Wobbuffet

2:22 AM

@jin why does the CSS suck?

Jin

@TheWobbuffet css doesn't, i do :)

hichris123

I think it's a really cool design by the way, @Jin. :D

Jin

thanks. i based the header off this SE shirt i designed.

The Wobbuffet

@jin you made the mobile site's CSS?

Doorknob

@Jin Stop making SE's beloved designer seem decidedly un-beloved :(

Jin

2:23 AM

Doorknob

@Jin WANT

Jin

whoa we one-box instagram in chat now? nice

Doorknob

:P

hichris123

I WANT!

The Wobbuffet

Im just saying the CSS could be better...

Doorknob

2:24 AM

Okay, time to update my site's homepage to say MSE instead of MSO :P

The Wobbuffet

Idk, I'm adjusted to apple's stupid UI guidelines

Doorknob

@TheWobbuffet Y u put so much pressure on Jin :(

The Wobbuffet

JIN DO BETTER ;P

Jin

ha it's fine. i love launching new sites!

of course, in the case of meta.se it's a bit different

hichris123

@Jin So... how do we buy that shirt? :P

Doorknob

2:26 AM

Oooh, MSE is in Hot Network Questions now

Laura

@hichris123 with the salary Stack Exchange pays you :P

(i.e., employee-only. sorry.)

hichris123

Aww, oh well.

The Wobbuffet

imgur.com/7UAcqD5

hichris123

sets goal of working at SE

The Wobbuffet

Shouldn't it say '2014 Stack Exchange Inc.'?

Laura

2:27 AM

stackexchange.com/about/hiring

:)

The Wobbuffet

It says '2014 stack exchange inc.' currently

Things should be capitalized!

hichris123

@Laura Only problem is I'm a kid. So... yeah. :P

Doorknob

@hichris123 You're a few months older than me though :P

The Wobbuffet

And on the mobile chat room you can't view full site!!!

To edit messages

Doorknob

@TheWobbuffet menu -> edit last

The Wobbuffet

2:28 AM

And the menu button has to be right below the textarea?

Doorknob

And there's a full site link in menu too

The Wobbuffet

Ok the menu is a bit good, but should it really be a button?

Braiam

not to self: ask SE to don't use 301 if they are going to change it anyways

The Wobbuffet

Edit last? Nooo edit one!

jadarnel27

Someone put my cheese back where it belongs and I am back in this familiar place.

The Wobbuffet

2:29 AM

Ok done criticizing maybe.

Charles

IT'S SO ... BLUE

Doorknob

Gtg, bye all

Jason C

Whoa blue.

I love that MSE has a separate bugs and requests tab!

Anonymous

2:49 AM

The text on MSE is kind of small. I like the way the new design looks but it's not quite as readable.

Jason C

I agree with @JeremyBanks on text; there's a lot of weirdly sized things. But the blue theme is totally sweet!

The text backgrounds here in chat could use a little more contrast though.

Same with the send/upload button; they're really close to the footer background color.

And whine... whine whine...

Anonymous

Yeah.

Anonymous

I expect it will be great after some polish.

Jason C

Me too. Good to see it went smooth.

michaelb958

Pseudo-migration causes some weird sights on the MSO homepage:

2

TCPMAN.EXE

3:11 AM

What happen!

ALL MY BASE BELONG TO SOMEONE

hichris123

What did you do?

> We are currently offline for maintenance

Jason C

@TCPMAN.EXE I'm going to write a chatbot that communicates only through internet memes of the past 15 years, and you two are going to have a mind-blowing conversation.

Jason C

3:29 AM

-2

Q: A shell script to show files in current direcroty with permission 777

Write a shell script that (i) lists all subdirectories with 777 or 766 permissions and gives them new permissions as stated by the user

sh

^ Burn it, please.

Undo

3:49 AM

I am back.

something seems to have happened.

hichris123

... no kidding. :P

Amal Murali

@Undo: SPPPPPPPPPLIIIIIIIIIIIT

hichris123

Answered here: More options when flagging for migration (side note: someone please migrate that here) — hichris123 3 mins ago

@TimPost ^ Something for you to migrate in the morning.

Amal Murali

@stevesliva Ok, my activity on this site seems to be having no effect on my reputation. Where is it going? — Wold 1 min ago

Same here.

Undo

0

Q: Should we flag questions on mSE that are strictly about SO?

Yay, we finally split mSO and mSE. However, in browsing the new mSE I'm noticing questions that are strictly about Stack Overflow. I'm tempted to flag these for migration to the new Meta Stack Overflow, but I banged to ask first. Do we flag questions that are about SO to request migration?

discussion flags migration meta mso-mse-split

Amal Murali

4:00 AM

Hmm, is there a Meta post on how per-site metas work?

Andrew T.

@AmalMurali probably the updated "What's meta" will be helpful

stackoverflow.com/help/whats-meta

"Votes on meta do not affect your reputation; your meta reputation is the same as your reputation on Stack Overflow (synchronized hourly), though you earn separate badges. You must have 5 reputation to participate on meta."

Amal Murali

Already seen that. But then why do we still have upvote or downvotes on per-site metas? Do they affect your reputation? If so how? If not, why are we still able to vote?

Undo

checks email hoping for an invitation to come be an mSE modrator-monkey-with-gun person

is disappointed

Amal Murali

Oh wait. This means those high rep users like Jon Skeet a lot more privileges than they used to?

hichris123

@Undo Not happening. :P

Undo

4:07 AM

Yeah, probably not :P

Amal Murali

This also means I can now view deleted questions and answers on Meta?!?!?!?!!?111

hichris123

@Amal Skeet probably already had 20k on meta.

Undo

Skeet is 60k on mSE

Amal Murali

like skeet. And not 20k anyway. More than that.

user206222

@Amal Good enough for faq-proposed.

hichris123

4:08 AM

Night all.

Hogan

hello snazzy new tavern

I think someone painted in here..

Braiam

@random please don't! There is a bunch of MSO specific questions with that tag. Please, revert back all changes. — Braiam 2 mins ago

:(

Charles

Metas all the way down...

Undo

It's so weird seeing the SO mods diamondless on mSE.

Charles

@Undo See also i.lvme.me/xmeh35.jpg

Amal Murali

4:17 AM

That may change in the future

Charles

MSE should totally hand out diamonds to every site mod.

ɥʇǝS

@Jin Why are you using the Ubuntu Logo over the Ask Ubuntu logo? Just curious..

Other than that, awesome!

Jin

@ɥʇǝS it was the apple touch icon the Canonical designer provided me a while back i think

ɥʇǝS

Ah..

Jin

hmm actually i'm wrong. i have no idea. i'll update it

ɥʇǝS

4:22 AM

That'd be cool :)

Is that going to be an actual T-shirt btw?

Undo

@Charles chaos would rain, the mods would decend with a loud shout, all programming questions would be closed instantly.

Basically, good idea.

Amal Murali

Hmm, is it rude to edit an answer just to remove backtick abuse? (case in point)

Qantas 94 Heavy

@AmalMurali: rude? I don't consider it rude at all.

Amal Murali

I've done the same edit before and the user still keeps doing it. :/

Qantas 94 Heavy

BTW, I've done it, if I cop any flak for it I'll let you know.

Charles

4:34 AM

It's absolutely not rude, and it's also entirely appropriate to remind users that code formatting is for code, not for emphasis and that formatting random words makes it hard to read.

michaelb958

FORMAT ALL ~~THE~~ THINGS

Undo

Oooh neat, mSE questions show up in the supercollider.

just saw my flagging question.

Amal Murali

YeS CAn YOU PLES ~~GIVE~~ MEH THE CODeZ

3

Charles

@AmalMurali Don't give them ideas!

Amal Murali

:D

Can someone think of a polite comment asking the user to stop abusing backticks?

oh hi @balpha

balpha

4:41 AM

morning

Anna Lear

@AmalMurali "Please stop abusing backticks."

Charles

Pfft. Who needs polite when you can merely be not-rude.,

Added a thing.

Amal Murali

Where? o.O

Charles

@NambiNarayanan, please stop using code formatting for emphasis. It's code formatting. For code. Not for emphasis. — Charles 51 secs ago

Amal Murali

Oh, I didn't see that. +1

Undo

4:44 AM

Adios, folks. Sleep calls.

Amal Murali

@Charles Thanks Here after i have this practice — Nambi Narayanan 20 secs ago

@Charles lolwat?

@Undo Nights!

Charles

@AmalMurali I'm gonna choose to parse that as "Thank you. Hereafter, I will follow your recommended practice."

Anna Lear

@Undo Put it on speaker.

Charles

@Undo, you know, saying goodnight and then immediately leaving is the best way to get excessive notifications later.

Amal Murali

@Charles: Oh. I parsed it as "I've been doing this for long, I'm not going to change it anyway. Thanks though!"

Charles

4:46 AM

@AmalMurali ESL is fun!

Ɍ.Ɉ

@Bart - Apparently, the OP did not like your edit and thus rolled it back.

Charles

lolplagiarism

Amal Murali

Tempted to flag it

Ɍ.Ɉ

@AmalMurali - But flag it what? (O_o)

Amal Murali

As plagiarism without credits. But I just rolled it back and added a comment:

When you're referencing parts of another answer or an external source, please add them in blockquotes. Check the Help Center page on Referencing for more details. — Amal Murali 47 secs ago

Ɍ.Ɉ

5:04 AM

cool :) just saw,

michaelb958

5:33 AM

Currently on full blast through SE headquarters (I hope): this music.

Also, hilarious comment of the day on How much cash can you carry in a European Union domestic flight?:

I missed the "L" in "flight" and had a bit of a head-scratch moment. — Nicholas 15 hours ago

Also, weird happened again.

Also, SO had six migration targets, for just a fleeting moment.

Tim Post

5:51 AM

@hichris123 flag it as 'other' if you wouldn't mind

Qantas 94 Heavy

6:02 AM

Just curious, is it only moderators who can delete accepted answers?

Amal Murali

The community can delete them as well, IIRC.

Anonymous

Anybody feel like reviewing a few suggested wiki edits on Meta? >_>"

Amal Murali

> There are no items for you to review.

michaelb958

@JeremyBanks I would if I could. I can haz upvotes? :P

Anonymous

@michaelb958 Ahh, it take 5k...

michaelb958

6:10 AM

@JeremyBanks Only 684 to go then.

Amal Murali

Wait. It requires 5K?

Anonymous

@AmalMurali Reviewing tag wiki edits, not standard post edits.

Amal Murali

Oh. I missed that "wiki" part.

Anonymous

@AmalMurali I edited it in very sneakily. ;)

Amal Murali

Ah. :D

I was going to get more coffee.

michaelb958

6:13 AM

There seem to be an awful lot of design bugs on Shiny New Meta.

Here's a helpful search for MSE design issues.

Anonymous

Jeremy Banks, Toronto, Canada

10k 4 64 141

discussion support bug status-completed feature-request bounty profile-page

Anonymous

@JeremyBanks Finally.

Anonymous

To the deleted question archive!

Amal Murali

@michaelb958: Shshh. All the free meta rep!

Laszlo Papp

yay for poor edits on closed posts delaying the automated deletion ...

Amal Murali

6:34 AM

@Charles: My interpretation was correct, it seems.

See this answer by the same user — they've abused backticks again :(

Lix

6:58 AM

Yay... tavern is back :P

SPArchaeologist

7:32 AM

hi

can somebody check this link?

it is just me or links to comments cause a css bug on the page?

ok - nevermind. Found a meta post about that

[status-This is a test]

.....

Amal Murali

[meta-tag:foo] => foo

Like so ^

How do I link to an SO tag?

SPArchaeologist

@AmalMurali actually I was checking if the status egg still worked

ta Stack Overflow/(any room): red tags
> Send a message consisting solely of [status-SOME_PLAINTEXT_STRING] and it will appear in chat like a moderator tag. Doing this as a reply to another message is okay, but other text or formatting will not work. The plaintext string cannot be longer than 50 characters, and must match the regex [-A-Za-z0-9_]+.

Bart

Don't we have any complaints about the "horrible blue which is hurting my eyes" yet?

Amal Murali

7:47 AM

I like this color, actually. Better than old boring Meta!

Lix

@Bart - I've already taken steps to acclimate myself

gotta get some of those blue tinted glasses :P

rene

Morning!

SPArchaeologist

@Lix Papa Smurf!

Bart

@Lix haha, suits you sir

Lix

Thanks @Bart :P And thanks @SPArchaeologist (I think :P )

Amal Murali

7:54 AM

How do I launch Clippy?

> Uncaught Error: Attempting to use a disconnected port object

Oh damn. It's not working.

I thought $.getScript('http://cdn-chat.sstatic.net/chat/Js/eggs.js'); would make it work, but nope :/

Bart

If only Clippy were here to help you out

Amal Murali

I'm downloading Game of Thrones using a torrent. Is it somehow possible to watch the first episodes before the entire download is completed?

I tried renaming the .part files in my ~/Downloads directory to .avi, but VLC couldn't play it.

Lix

@AmalMurali - torrents don't download sequentially

Amal Murali

Thought so. So it isn't possible, right?

Lix

It downloads what ever parts are available in no specific order...

It is, and some torrent clients support it - but it kinda cancels the whole idea of torrenting something...

@AmalMurali - you should have enough seeders to get the episode pretty fast though no?

SPArchaeologist

8:04 AM

@AlulaErrorpone S1 completed. I will move to S2 shortly. As I said, watching one episode at time - don't want them to end too soon.

Amal Murali

@Lix S1 is about 4 GB. Are you talking about downloading the episodes individually?

Lix

ohhh...starting from the beginning :P

@AmalMurali - enjoy :)

Amal Murali

I would. If I didn't have exams. :/

rene

Can we already know which questions will migrate back to mSO?

Bart

A lot of the stackoverflow ones I guess

@AmalMurali Exam time is the best time to watch series

Amal Murali

8:13 AM

Yes, it was during my last exam I started watching Sherlock. It was awesome!

But I miss it now. Y THEY NO RELEASE S4 :/

rene

@Bart and the links stay the same for those migrated questions?

Bart

Not a clue.

Ah dammit, now I really need more SO rep.

rene

:-)

Bart

Meh, I'll just bring out the sockpuppets to get me over 10k

rene

Does anyone else have a weird redirect to Area51 if you click the Active tab in mSO in IE11? It doesn't happen in Chrome but I wonder if it is local for me?

In case of caching: I already cleared that...

Bart

8:22 AM

No repro

rene

Hmmm...maybe I need to flush some network stuff here...

user13500

Why was this Q deleted?

meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/250085/…

ProgramFOX

@user13500 Because the author deleted it.

> This question was voluntarily removed by its author.

user13500

Thought one could not delete questions with answers. It had one answer and I wrote my own. Did not get notified that it was deleted until I tried to post.

Bart

The OP can delete it if there are no upvoted answers

122

Q: How does deleting work? What can cause a post to be deleted, and what does that actually mean? What are the criteria for deletion?

What circumstances can cause a question or answer to be deleted, and what does that actually mean? How can a post be deleted? When can't I delete my own post? Can I see a list of my deleted posts? How can I undelete one of my posts? What does deletion mean for a post? How do votes to delete wo...

support faq delete deleted-questions deleted-answers

"You can't delete any question that: has an upvoted answer, or has multiple answers (even if there are no upvotes)"

rene

8:36 AM

@user13500 That question has one answer but no upvote(s)

user13500

Yes. Get it. Thanks.

rene

Pong?

IE11 finally decided to load and show everything as expected...

Bart

Why still use IE?

SPArchaeologist

8:54 AM

@Bart. Wanting to give it a try since finally they have released version 1.1?

rene

No, I don't like change...

Bart

Heh. Whenever I launch it my first response is "OH GOD NO"

3ventic's Shadow

oh shi

rene

oh shi is japanese for Morning!?

3ventic's Shadow

no

I just realized I forgot to update my stylesheet for the split

SPArchaeologist

9:00 AM

...at least unless they invented the hiragana for "oh" while I was asleep

3ventic's Shadow

Let's try again

Morning

rene

Morning

Lix

Blue

err... I mean - Morning

SPArchaeologist

お早う

Tim Post

This new design is really growing on me.

Bart

9:05 AM

褐色

3ventic's Shadow

Meta is no longer grey, so neither am I

I like the design quite a bit

Lix

3ventic's Shadow

the chat is still way too bright, though

test test

Bart

It certainly isn't Tavern-like @3ventic'sShadow. More like some sort of health-spa. I feel all refreshed and healthy. Yuck.

3ventic's Shadow

Hah

faq is red? How about faq

user202362

9:09 AM

This is the color scheme of horror movies ... blue ... ~shivering~

user202362

This is a horror site?

Bart

Some would argue so @telkitty.exe

3ventic's Shadow

Meta is horror

user202362

flesh colored notification ... now it looks like porn :x

SPArchaeologist

@telkitty.exe actually, I were thinking of asking to add a small logo on all this blue. A little cloud with a rainbow thunderbolt will do.

user202362

9:13 AM

This blue is also ... very provocative - putting people into a fiesty mode, putting me into one anyways

Bart

Are you ever not in a feisty mode @telkitty.exe?

ThiefMaster

The dark-blue line below the buttons is much worse...

user202362

@Bart Sometimes I am in a huggable/love heart mode ... no, you don't want to know >_< I am annoyed by this blue, maybe this is the anti-troll color ~takes my leave~

3ventic's Shadow

That looks a bit weird

Tim Post

Tavern on the blue meta. Hmmm.

SPArchaeologist

9:25 AM

Should I switch from Joe to Capitan Blue?

Johannes Kuhn

ok, chat moved.

was expected

Bart

Dangit, he found us

Johannes Kuhn

meh, used the old link

and hi @Bart

Bart

Hiya @JohannesKuhn :)

Johannes Kuhn

ok, how could I help with the split? Most questions/answers are for meta.so, shall I flag my old questions?

3ventic's Shadow

9:30 AM

Meta is now known as Padding Overflow

6

Bart

13

Q: Should we flag questions on mSE that are strictly about SO?

Yay, we finally split mSO and mSE. However, in browsing the new mSE I'm noticing questions that are strictly about Stack Overflow. I'm tempted to flag these for migration to the new Meta Stack Overflow, but I wanted to ask first. Do we flag questions that are about SO to request migration?

discussion flags migration meta mso-mse-split

@JohannesKuhn ^^

rene

Oops, had a webpage not found on mSO...now it is back again,,,glitch...

user202362