Tavern on the Meta

12:57 AM

Why is there no indication of any kind that you've previously flagged a post? I don't want to flag it again on accident if I run across it in another list and don't recognize it...

Lucifer

1:36 AM

yes, agree with you animuson, this happened with me once or twice too

Moshe

3:00 AM

@Lix

(Wonders if pinging @Lix like that works.)

Lucifer

4:07 AM

he must be sleeping at this time

Tim ManishEarth

4:20 AM

Cool! dev.stackoverflow.com

"We’ll be open to the public

within a day or so"

(think that's a standard system message, though)

Don't think the dev sandbox is open to all

animuson

Haha xD

Tim ManishEarth

dev.stackexchange.com

(points back to main SE page)

Aah, but it runs 2012.5.21.297

and stackexchange.com is 2012.5.21.295

Dan Fabulich

Hi. I just asked a question that was immediately downvoted stackoverflow.com/questions/10695674/… Did I ask a bad question? Is there a good way to fix it before I lose more reputation?

Tim ManishEarth

Ohhhh dev.meta.stackoverflow.com

Anonymous

4:36 AM

@TimManishEarth dev.stackoverflow.com/feeds/question/9028277, dev.meta.stackoverflow.com/api/…

Tim ManishEarth

@JeremyBanks Ooh :D

Anonymous

I just discovered [mtg:Black Lotus] autocard links. Glad to have them.

Tim ManishEarth

[mtg:Black Lotus]

@JeremyBanks where does that work?

Anonymous

apparently not in chat

Anonymous

on Board and Card Games, let me check formatting sandbox...

Tim ManishEarth

4:43 AM

Not on chem.SE, either

aah

Anonymous

Nope

Tim ManishEarth

(y'know, I could have checked that with a preview)

Not working on bcg, either

Anonymous

for this site-specific stuff, I don't think it's neccessarily implemented in the preview

Anonymous

example: boardgames.stackexchange.com/questions/7416/…

Anonymous

I guess Mathjax isn't on MSO either...

Tim ManishEarth

4:45 AM

Oh, it links 'em

Nope

But it works in preview

Anonymous

maybe we can get all of them on Meta Stack Exchange. :D

Tim ManishEarth

@JeremyBanks You may want to have fun with chem+mathjax here meta.chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/111/…

Check meta.chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/86/… to find out how to use chem with mathjax

Anonymous

Ahh, I was wondering

Anonymous

it's a new TeX package, nice.

Tim ManishEarth

@JeremyBanks Ow, you pinged me

:P

Anonymous

4:55 AM

:O

Purmou

5:28 AM

I'm so tired of people complaining about questions.

bah! when will people stop wanting an "official guideline" for every tiny little thing? I don't see an official guideline for tweeting an answer while taking a dump. Should the publicist badge count if you forgot to wipe? If you want to sell your account, by all means do so. No one can stop you. — yoda 7 mins ago

This is literally someone who's annoyed and bored with his life. Like seriously.

Shog9

Hey! @Purmou! I just finished typing up a long rambling answer to your social learning thing, only to find you'd deleted it...

Purmou

@Shog9: I'll undelete it. I was going to refine it a little but people were getting pissy.

Oops, lol, I can't undelete it.

Can't you?

Shog9

yeah, done

Purmou

5:45 AM

can you explain something to me?

Shog9

@Purmou Possibly

Purmou

downvotes on meta entail disagreement, correct?

Shog9

@Purmou Nominally, yes. In practice, downvotes everywhere just mean there's something about the post that the voter didn't much care for.

Purmou

that's really flawed to me

so if i don't care about the question being asked i should downvote it?

Shog9

Well, there's really no good way to force people to vote a certain way without discouraging them from voting at all.

Purmou

5:47 AM

hrmph

Shog9

@Purmou If you don't care, you'd probably just move on. If it being asked offended you for some reason, you'd downvote it.

Purmou

now, downvotes just seem to be "this is stupid."

but whatever, like you said, we can't force people to do something in any specific way.

oh, do me a favor

-3

Q: Is the Stack Exchange network built upon the concept of social learning?

I constantly see people say this site isn't a social network. While, in theory, this is true (Stack Exchange is not your place to socialize or connect), but the way the whole thing works implies that there is definitely a social undertone to it. I'm all for social/globalized learning, and SE see...

Shog9

Hey, @Purmou... Here's one for you, if only for the title... ;-)

@Purmou what's up?

Purmou

how in the world can this be closed on the grounds that it's not constructive?

what is not constructive about it?

Shog9

@Purmou Meh. Presumably folks are a bit hung up on your terminology, and feel the question is unclear or unproductive in some form.

As you can probably tell, I just took the term "social learning" at face value.

Purmou

5:51 AM

exactly

i even commented "is that really that vague of a term?"

Shog9

Social learning == the sort of learning that involves people, vs. the sort of learning that involves quiet self study.

Purmou

you need to be in every person's mind

just explaining what they read to them in their heads

Shog9

that sounds... horrible

Purmou

to you, probably

don't tell me you've never wanted a little version of yourself on your shoulder

Shog9

But then, I'm not a particularly social learner ;-P

Purmou

5:53 AM

Oh puffaw

let me tell you something

the tedx i spoke at focused on global learning

the school i go to is part of a network of schools who base their curriculum around four basic concepts--the global competencies

they are: investigate the world, weigh perspectives, communicate ideas, take action.

animuson

Awww, I'm out of Frosted Mini Wheats :(

Purmou

my talk focused on social networking/media in the learning process.

these four competencies are so beautifully embodied by the [ideal] stack exchange network

by being there and asking questions, we investigate the world around us.

by hearing answers from different people who each offer different methods, we weigh perspectives

by answering questions and proving that we know something, we communicate ideas

and by, for example, helping fellow programmers improve and get better, we are taking action

so you're very much a social learner, just by taking part in the phenomenon that stack exchange has brought us

this phenomenon is present, of course, in all realms of the internet. a lot of people would disagree, but i think sites/apps like tumblr, instagram, facebook, and twitter have huge potential in the realm of communication and showing what you know

people only see facebook and twitter as a gateway through which bored teenagers share every second of their lives

they view instagram as an app through which people share stupid screenshots of their iphones and pictures of their lattes

and tumblr is viewed as the site through which bored teens post immature things

animuson

social networking equals farts

Purmou

but in reality, these are all powerful tools that can make your learning and your education so much more fulfilling. after all, you never stop learning. your entire lifetime is devoted to learning things. so the potential of these tools can be utilized to their fullest extent, but too few people realize how awesome they can be.

you may think that, but social networking is the step that will take learning and education beyond textbooks and memorization.

Purmou

6:13 AM

hi @balpha

balpha

howdy

Tim ManishEarth

7:56 AM

I need an assistant for doing SCIENCE!

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Q: Can authors of deleted comments be notified using the @reply syntax?

In How do comment @replies work? we learn that the @ syntax can be used to notify "authors, commenters, and editors" (and additionally mods who closed a question). Does the list of "commenters" extend to "all those who've ever commented on the post" or just to "those whose comments are visible,...

support notifications comment-replies

Try @replying to me on that post

Lucifer

I did Sciene but failed so did commerce :P

tombull89

@TimManishEarth If I @-reply I only get a prompt for TheEstablishment.

Tim ManishEarth

@tombull89 Not prompt

try replyig anyway

the prompt is JS, it obviously won't work

tombull89

@TimManishEarth done

Tim ManishEarth

Aah

@tombull89 Thanks for the help :)

Tim ManishEarth

9:01 AM

@TimStone You are the most starred user on the Tavern (both counting total stars and starred posts)

542 posts, 1061 stars

:D

Tim ManishEarth

9:24 AM

Why am I seeing spam flags on chat?

I'm not a mod, chat shows my username in black(not blue), but I've this little ticker nearby

Oh meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/118897/…

Pekka

9:37 AM

I'm not active on Stack Overflow any more in terms of answers.

But every time I take a peek on the front page, I feel compelled to log in to downvote a bunch of questions.

I'm starting to think it's a ruse by the team to keep me hooked!

Tim ManishEarth

@Pekka Whenever I visit, all I do is downvote

(haven't done that much)

Pekka

@TimManishEarth yeah.

Tim ManishEarth

@Pekka Any idea why I suddenly saw 5 spam flags on chat? I've never seen them before, and I've been 10k+ network-wide for nearly a month

Pekka

@TimManishEarth no idea, strange.

awoodland

woah 600 flags

Tim ManishEarth

9:40 AM

@awoodland SO?

@Pekka When can you see spam flags on chat?

awoodland

yeah and that's just the ones I get shown

Pekka

@TimManishEarth no idea, I didn't even know there were spam flags in chat

awoodland

@TimManishEarth 10k

but on chat.stackexchange that's 10k combined rep

Pekka

Ah, the spam/offensive thingy. Weird, I'm not seeing any

They were the blue ones, right?

Tim ManishEarth

Yeah

awoodland

9:41 AM

yeah

you don't see stackoverflow chat flags on mso chat though

Brady

10:12 AM

You guys mind if I butt in with a simple question about user profiles?

Tim Yi Jiang

Go ahead

Brady

Well, here it is anyways: Why do some users put their email addresses in their profiles as myemail at yahoo dot com, as opposed to myemail@yahoo.com. Is that to avoid malicious apps from scanning it and sending spam?

Tim Yi Jiang

Yup.

Tim ManishEarth

@Brady Yep, though nowadays these bots are smarter

Tim Yi Jiang

It's a pretty old fashioned way of doing it. It stops scrapers from harvesting emails to send spam at

Brady

10:15 AM

ok, thanks

Tim jadarnel27

12:34 PM

I hate when I enter the wrong chat room because I blindly click on the first one in the active list, assuming it's the Tavern.

Tim jadarnel27

1:04 PM

Haha, this guy is on the "Stack Over Flow" team. Nice =P

awoodland

I just type "tav" and let the URL bar do the work for me

Tim jadarnel27

Nerd.

=)

awoodland

@Timjadarnel27 I think that guy was trying to thank everybody who uses SO

Tim jadarnel27

@awoodland Oh wow, I read that incorrectly. I skipped some words when reading it, so it looked a signature. Good catch.

I guess it's still not really appropriate for the post. 'Tis not what I thought it was, though.

awoodland

Your edit is still spot on

Tim jadarnel27

1:15 PM

Thanks dude.

Tim jadarnel27

1:27 PM

I flagged one of the answers on this post from /review and it was deleted. Looking back at it now, the whole post is pretty "not constructive." I don't see anything useful in the answers.

Szabolcs

1:38 PM

I was reading this thread about why/why not Mathematica.SE should graduate soon.

It got me thinking: what does grauadtion mean exactly, other than getting a site design and the rep thresholds increasing?

What tangible differences are there going to be?

I'm sure there must be a post explaning this somewhere on some meta :-)

Tim jadarnel27

@Szabolcs I imagine it's significantly less likely to be shut down once it's graduated.

Szabolcs

Of course that's an important point.

Oops

Sorry, I posted the wrong thread. I mean this one.

What I'm really wondering about is what is going to noticeably change in practice, right away? Someone is worrying that there will be an unmanageable inflow of new users. I'm not sure what could trigger such a thing though.

Moshe

2:06 PM

Hiya all

Tim jadarnel27

Howdy @Moshe.

Moshe

@Timjadarnel27 waves

What's crackalackin?

Tim jadarnel27

Oh, you know. Just livin' the dream over here.

You?

Moshe

@Timjadarnel27 I'm studying, ahem, cramming for finals.

Popular Demand

@awoodland Ugh, why exert yourself like that? I just type "9" and I'm all set.

Tim jadarnel27

2:21 PM

@Moshe Good luck!

Moshe

@Timjadarnel27 Thanks.

Tim jadarnel27

@PopularDemand They make all these pretty things for you to click on, and you type a "9" into the address bar. For shame.

Moshe

2:38 PM

@Timjadarnel27 - blog.mosheberman.com/operating-systems-are-not-commodities

mootinator

@Moshe The title. It doesn't make sense.

Tim jadarnel27

@Moshe I don't understand what's wrong with updating an OS (or the layout of the OS).

Or maybe I just don't understand what you're getting at.

Moshe

@Timjadarnel27 I'm amused that microsoft thinks operating systems are commodities. I'm being pedantic.

"The latest in operating systems."

@mootinator The title does make sense. What's wrong with it?

@mmyers - That line got 3 likes on FB so far. (Cited, of course.)

mootinator

2:57 PM

@Moshe You wouldn't say "Check out the latest light crude oil from Microsoft!" That phrase you've taken issue with distinctly indicates Micrsosoft doesn't believe an OS is a commodity.

Moshe

@mootinator It sounds like they release new OSs often. There shouldn't be a "latest OS" like that.

@mootinator I dunno, maybe the phrase is abused to the point where it loses its meaning.

That's just me.

mootinator

You mean like iOS4, iOS5, etc?

Tim jadarnel27

@Moshe I still don't follow. The sentence is "...the latest mobile operating system from Microsoft." That's accurate. Are you saying that "latest" can only be applied to commodities?

mootinator

Froyo, Ice Cream Sandwich, ad nauseum.

They're all doing the same thing, Microsoft just felt the need to restart after the original WP OS because it sucked.

Moshe

@mootinator Yea, that too. The difference is in how they approach it.

mootinator

3:00 PM

If any mobile company is trying too hard to reinvent itself every 5 minutes it's RIM.

Moshe

MS makes operating systems.

So for them to say "the latest and absolute fantastical greatest in Microsoft operating systems" is odd.

Apple makes a product and offers software updates as a free service.

mootinator

But it isn't weird for Apple to say "The world's most advanced mobile operating system." because you believe that statement to be accurate?

Tim jadarnel27

In mobile Microsoft operating systems. It's the latest in their mobile line.

Moshe

@Timjadarnel27 Hah, even better.

WP is good, but sensationalism sucks.

mootinator

@Moshe apple.com/iphone/ios

Moshe

3:04 PM

@mootinator microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/default.aspx

Lol, M'kay.

I see your point. Well taken.

Tim jadarnel27

@Moshe I wasn't agreeing with you there =) You were just leaving a different word out of the statement (which is what I was pointing out).

Moshe

@Timjadarnel27 Ok, fair enough.

mootinator

@Moshe I think using the phrase "Apple fanboy" in marketing material is pretty lame of Microsoft.

Moshe

@mootinator Yea, agreed.

But I'm pulling that post.

Was trying to pull Gruber, but I botched it.

Oh well.

Gotta run.

Tim jadarnel27

@mootinator Yeah, that seems unnecessarily inflammatory.

awoodland

3:12 PM

@Moshe I can't help but think of WP as anything but the fourth horse in a two horse race

mootinator

D:

I wish my blackberry and/or WP7 had some good apps.

I blame brogrammers.

Tim jadarnel27

Brogrammers?

awoodland

the developer relations programme must have changed a bit since I last looked

Tim jadarnel27

I'm proposing this as a FAQ because it's a question that actually gets asked frequently. — Popular Demand 15 mins ago

What a novel use for the FAQ tag, @PopularDemand =)

Popular Demand

Right?!

awoodland

3:28 PM

So tempted to comment: "this must be a duplicate of literally 1000s of posts" :)

Popular Demand

You'd think I would have searched before I asked.

Tim Stone

...Huh.

awoodland

didn't it default to showing deleted posts originally though?

Tim Stone

It's been like that forever, I wasn't aware that was considered a very bad thing, heh.

awoodland

the impression I got was that the default was changed when everyone was complaining constantly on meta after the global recalc

Tim Stone

3:33 PM

Pretty much, yeah.

Popular Demand

Yeah, I also thought it was a known thing.

awoodland

but now the global recalc pain is no more wouldn't defaulting to showing them be sensible?

Tim Stone

It was worse when every post that was deleted resulted in lost reps, because you could have huge red numbers on your reputation history that made people sad-face.

It still increases the likelihood of people complaining that their post was deleted, when often times before they wouldn't even realise it.

awoodland

but they'll probably spot if their rep changes negative substantially with or without seeing why it changed

Tim Stone

@TimStone I personally want this to be status-bydesign, otherwise I'll have no choice but to bump the Formatting Sandbox. |:

@awoodland True, they just won't know what specifically they're upset about.

I'm not sure that the "Why did I lose reps?" posts are any better though, so fair enough.

awoodland

3:41 PM

@TimStone so completely empty diffs are invisible in the revision history, but occupy a row in the DB?

Tim Stone

I'm not sure about the implementation, actually.

awoodland

@TimManishEarth - I love Facetweet+

Tim jadarnel27

I'm not gonna lie, that sounds inappropriate to me.

Perhaps I am too immature =)

pokes @TimStone with a fuscina regarding the Data Explorer

Tim Stone

Oh no, I was hoping you'd forgotten :P

A bit of a delay...but...making progress.

Tim jadarnel27

Forgotten! That doesn't sound like me. Progress is good =)

Any new and interesting feature teasers based on your progress?

Tim Stone

3:52 PM

By delay of course I mean that I was feeling a bit meh and opted to play Diablo III most of the weekend instead, but yeah. It's still coming along, just...slower than I hoped. |:

I don't have any at the moment, but I'll see what I can do :P

Tim jadarnel27

A worthy cause!

I told myself I wasn't going to play last night. My internal compromise in response to that was to play until 1:00am.

mmyers

@Moshe I used it as my status on our internal chat software for a month, but no one commented. That's why I brought it here.

Tim jadarnel27

@mmyers Made me laugh =) I shared it on Facebook as well, with good results.

The people in your office obviously have no sense of humor.

mmyers

I think most of them don't realize you can set a chat status.

Tim jadarnel27

4:09 PM

I was going to make a disparaging remark about that, but it was a while before I noticed you could do that in here. So nevermind.

mootinator

4:21 PM

Is whathaveyoutried.com the new lmgtfy.com? :P

awoodland

whathaveyoutried at least constructively suggests how to ask better questions rather than being just a RTFM

mootinator

=)

awoodland

I like SSCCE.org better personally though but I think I read more questions in the psychic debugger realm than the "do it for me" realm

Tim jadarnel27

-21

Q: Ban "What have you tried?" links in comments

Recently on SO, I've been noticing a lot of link-only comments on (admittedly bad) questions. The typical comment looks like this: What have you tried? Now, my first instinct is to flag the comment as "not constructive" or "too chatty", but the fact is that the blog post linked to is actua...

feature-request comments hyperlinks

mootinator

@Timjadarnel27 Yeah, I don't see a reason to ban them per se.

Tim jadarnel27

4:29 PM

@mootinator Me neither. I'm just not a fan of the execution when someone just types "whathaveyoutried.com" as a comment.

I see that the same way as going around to simple jQuery questions and commenting "http://docs.jquery.com/Main_Page"

mootinator

@awoodland Needs a condescending url forward then SO users will pick it up.

purchases atleastwriteusabloodyexampleyoudouche.com

awoodland

is there an upper limit on domain name lengths? clearly you don't want to push it past UDP size DNS replies but that's not a hard limit still

mootinator

If I recall correctly the upper limit is something large enough you'd have to be an idiot to buy one of that length.

253 total characters

awoodland

punycode could make some fairly long ones

mmyers

ifyoubuythisdomainnameyoureanidiotbecauseitswaytoolongfornormal…

mootinator

4:35 PM

Ooh, but each segment is limited to 63.

That makes a difference.

So atleastwriteusabloodyexampleyoudoucheitismucheasiertounderstand.com

awoodland

I'm tempted to register something like ƃuoɹʍ-ʇı-ƃuıop-ǝɹɐ-noʎ.com

mootinator

Incidentally, I believe Enumerable.Range(3, 62).Select(i => new String("x", i) + ".com"); are, for some reason, all registered.

mmyers

@meagar I am going to make a point of not reading the FAQ.

Tweeted by dagda1 on May 22, 2012 at 4:45 PM in reply to meagar

awoodland

I thought short domains (less than 3 chars) were disallowed under current rules, but previously allowed, e.g. aa.com, bt.com

mootinator

I do know the owner of ry.ca

Or were you just saying my code is wrong? :P

Should be Enumerable.Range(1, 62) :P

Tim jadarnel27

4:52 PM

@meagar Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks

Tweeted by dagda1 on May 22, 2012 at 4:46 PM in reply to meagar

I was looking for someone to serial downvote this week =D

mootinator

There are 4 active single letter TLDs

mmyers

What are they? I didn't know there were any.

mootinator

x.com x.org i.net and q.com

mmyers

I thought the TLD was the part after the dot

mootinator

Er, right. Second level domain.

slaps his brain.

Tim jadarnel27

4:57 PM

@mootinator That sounds painful.

mootinator

Single letter top level domains would be annoying.

Every domain name would look like scriptaculo.us. Hey, it's stackoverflo.w!

I have to go googl.e something now.

Tim jadarnel27

5:37 PM

Oh golly, Col. Shrapnel (or an impostor) has come to Meta.

0

A: Problem with a user

To prevent SQL injection attacks, you should escape the data that you get from the user while constructing a query. Just for sake of truth. Let's follow your "decent answer": // Example No. 1, "A silver bullet" $_POST['var'] = "1;drop table users"; // you should escape the data $clean = mys...

Shog9

5:56 PM

@Timjadarnel27 ok, wtf is this crap.

are those two still going on about that one tiny edit?

mootinator

I'm not sure @Shog9, could you look it up for me? Thanks in advance!

Shog9

hmm?

mootinator

I have no idea.

Tim Stone

Silent edits are the solution, clearly!

I don't disagree with the concern about the ninja edits, by the way, but I really think if that's a worry you need to know what people did, not just that they did something.

Shog9

@TimStone I don't disagree with that either, but that's a much bigger issue (one that's been brought up before wrt grace period edits - I did try to touch on this in my answer)

Tim Stone

6:23 PM

Indeed. I guess I'm just not sure what's resolved here when it comes to strategic editing.

I mean, great, we know someone ninja edited...but you still have to believe the people who reported it that what they saw was significantly bad enough to be actionable.

And I'm more willing to have trust in the "It happened" side of the coin in the first place than the "and it was terrible" side, which is more subjective.

awoodland

@TimStone you could take a screenshot, but it's hard to predict when that would be needed

I'm not in the habit of taking a screenshot of every page I visit :)

Tim Stone

@awoodland Well, presumably if you were concerned enough for something to be considered vandalism, you'd be more inclined if you were the kind of person to take screenshots to begin with, but not everyone is.

Shog9

@TimStone I'm not, actually. And in the worst-case, I can at least pull logs with the editor's IP this way and confirm that there were stealth edits. "Some did something sometime yesterday (for a given value of 'yesterday') is a headache and a half - assuming it even gets reported and doesn't get squelched by the "link or it didn't happen" crew.

awoodland

@TimStone maybe the solution is a userscript on that warns on the flagging dialogue that an edit/post is less than 5 minutes old? That would solve other NAA/VLQ flags that get submitted before a ninja edit in the grace period

(or full on change to the flagging dialogue properly)

that would encourage people to screenshot if it's serious or check back in a minute or two if it's less abusive

Tim Stone

@Shog9 Well, I was making the assumption that more than one person reported it, since otherwise it could just be a crazy person anyway.

The fact that you have access to that logs makes that information useful to you, but not particularly useful to all of the people who can do nothing about it.

Shog9

6:33 PM

@TimStone There's nothing unusual about that. Encountering the lolcat error page when trying to post doesn't generally tell you anything useful, but you can still report it - and if you're savvy enough to send the URL along with it, I can pinpoint the scenario.

Devs have even more information on a lot of this.

So there's these layers, where as you go deeper there's more and more information

user passes it on to meta or team@ passes it on to one of us passes it on to devs...

But if at any point there's not enough information to confirm that something happened, and at least roughly pinpoint what and when, suddenly it becomes a much greater task to extract anything at the next layer.

Tim Stone

Right, but if you're talking dev-level access you already know that something happened, because you can just query the access logs to see that there was a request to edit the post. The user information may or may not be linkable to that even though, in which case, fair point.

(Presumably the reporting person knows the post where the vandalism happened, otherwise it'd be difficult to find more information anyway)

balpha

New #StackOverflow team page - http://bit.ly/LoOtzu hover for fun

Tweeted by SuperDalgas on May 22, 2012 at 6:37 PM

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Tim Stone

That's hilarious

Shog9

@TimStone That assumes it makes it that far. If it was me, I'd probably blink twice and decide I need more sleep, 'cause obviously no one edited that post I just saw edited so I must've either been looking at something else or hallucinating.

And even if I did, that assumes whoever views it on MSO or team@ knows enough to realize that the person reporting isn't completely full of crap.

Tim Stone

So...it's a big deal, just not that big a deal. :P

Shog9

6:41 PM

@TimStone It's a big deal to me mostly because I don't like things that can't be tracked.

Tim Stone

Well, easily tracked.

Shog9

Yeah... Having to manually scrape the site and/or logs is hard enough as to be effectively impossible.

Popular Demand

@balpha Seriously, Grace Note participated but not Jeff or Jin? Curious.

balpha

not all photos are finished yet

Shog9

^^^win.

Tim Stone

6:44 PM

Ahahaha

@Shog9 I thought the HAProxy logs were linked to a local Data Explorer instance? But even then, you're right. I'm not entirely sure what I'm arguing about this for anyway, because putting an entry in the history is totally fine with me. I'd be unhappy if this caused the post to be bumped though, but you didn't indicate what your feelings were on that.

Presumably someone sees the vandalism when it's bumped for actually being edited, so it getting "unbumped" after the fact doesn't seem overly detrimental unless each ninja-edit is going to be investigated (which it won't).

Shog9

@TimStone They are, but querying for something like this is (for a SQL-idiot like me) waaaay harder than searching PostHistory.

And correlating haproxy logs with, say, votes isn't nice

Tim Stone

Yeah, I took it too far, my bad. :P

Shog9

@TimStone The vast, vast majority of the time it shouldn't be a problem at all

(I say, with no evidence since these aren't being tracked)

Frankly, if you're making enough useless edits for this to be an issue at all, you probably deserve a little bit of extra scrutiny.

Rebecca Chernoff

hmm, somebody summarize ^^^^ in a sentence for me? (: </lazy>

Tim Stone

My personal concern was that I often ninja-edit my post in the sandbox, because I don't want to bump it.

Shog9

6:56 PM

@RebeccaChernoff Finally proof of where those backwards-smileys come from?

Tim Stone

But I often do want to test out bugs people reported, to make sure they aren't crazy before voting.

Shog9

@TimStone As annoying as bumping the sandbox can be, I kinda don't mind it being on the front page since folks should be aware that there's a sandbox

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff Summarize four carets in a sentence? A few vegetables.

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Rebecca Chernoff

@Shog9 you should hard refresh my animated image, you have the old one

I meant the discussion about post history and haproxy and localsede and all that

Tim Stone

Oh, there's nothing relevant in there. I was just taking a counterpoint further than was reasonable.

@Shog9 But it makes me feel so dirty!

Shog9

6:59 PM

@RebeccaChernoff here's the background - short summary is, I hate the idea of folks being able to stealth-edit a revision out of existence.

@TimStone Hey, you wanna play in the sandbox, you gotta be willing to get dirty ;-)

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