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2:17 AM
@animuson Sorry, I was too busy drinking to remember we were supposed to be having fun.
 
 
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6:15 AM
Somebody should add as a synonym for .
 
7:00 AM
Do eeeeet ^ pokes @RebeccaChernoff
 
 
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1:09 PM
Oh goody, I've earned the feature-request gold badge on Meta! Has a more meaningless badge ever existed?
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4:04 PM
@Pekka Nah, that's a good one! The meaningless one is ;)
@balpha It's really weird - I tried forcibly refreshing Origami Robot's gravatar at home and at work, but no matter what I do he's green at the former, and red at the latter, heh.
 
yeah, that's definitely a gravatar issue
 
Perhaps even a gravatar conspiracy!
 
 
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6:14 PM
@Shog9 could I ask a question?
 
@moguzalpenel_hak You just did!
 
If I ask another question which will be closed and probably vote down count: -21 then will I get question ban?
on meta of course
 
If you expect your question to be closed, that's a strong indication that you shouldn't ask it, ban or not
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Am I doing wrong by asking "not successful" questions, because I am trying to express myself?
 
Lix
good evening to all! I'm here for my daily meta fix...
I have an appointment at 20:30....
 
6:27 PM
@Shog9 what do you think?
 
@moguzalpenel_hak I'm not sure quite what you're saying here, but in general look around the site, look at the questions that are well-received, and follow their examples.
There's a ton of more specific guidance linked to here: stackoverflow.com/questions/how-to-ask
 
SO is for questions looking for answers, but meta is questions looking for discussions, so should meta not be some experimental but look like SO
 
Lix
@mog - people have been discussing whether the voting/quesion bans are releveant on meta - perhaps this might interest you -
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Q: Should the automated ban on questions used on SO apply to Meta as well?

Brad LarsonFrom this question, it appears that the same system for blocking new questions by those that have a history of bad questions used on Stack Overflow also applies to Meta Stack Overflow. Should it? Downvotes appear to be a significant component of this algorithm (the specifics of which are not re...

 
@Shog9 so my experiments on meta usually that hurts myself(closed, down vote party and finally deleted), but the intention is express self but not to try to do stupid things
@Lix Thanks for the link, so the questions should not be removed, for example evan carroll's quesitons
 
Lix
what do you mean "should not be removed"?
 
6:38 PM
for example my questions about SOPA and meta new look are closed and deleted
I could image evan's many questions deleted
similarly
 
Lix
I'm not sure exactly what questions you are talking about... links?
 
as they are deleted there are no links
 
Lix
oh.. duh :P hehe silly me :)
 
I recently asked @Shog9 if mods can see the draft question, purpose was asking a favor if it is not extremely bad
@Lix you are welcome
 
Lix
Oh you mean someone to review your question before you post it?
 
6:42 PM
As far as I know evan has a philosophy on SO and MSO but most of the posts are deleted due to moderation reasons
I would ask that favor very rarely :)
 
Lix
@mog - well you must remember the timezone variable - If you make a post - and it gets lots of downvotes fast - that only shows the opinions of the people who are live and on meta that moment. People on the other end of the world have not yet seen your post - so things might change...
But in general I think the consensus is "If its not broke - don't fix it" :)
 
Lix, I posted a question on meta about the timezone of user and it got immediatly down voted then I deleted it
 
Lix
@mog - did you see this?
 
Anyway, thanks lix for discussion, it seems @mods are not interested, thanks again
 
@moguzalpenel_hak Still, my advice stands - MSO isn't a sandbox for self-expression, you've gotta be able to communicate what you want effectively. There are countless examples already of folks who've managed to do this well, and even more who've failed - learn from them.
 
Lix
6:49 PM
@mog - the people you need to convince have been using the site for along long time... sometimes even from the beginning. In order for you to convince them that something needs changing you'll have to make a very very solid argument :)
 
@Lix I am coming here with "fresh ideas" but not cliches, and I am learning and I know learning hurts finally I can afford that
@Shog9 I am coming here with "fresh ideas" but not cliches, and I am learning and I know learning hurts finally I can afford that
 
@Lix You also need to actually be trying to...convince them of something actionable.
 
Lix
@tim - yea, the idea has to be feasible too :P
Lists... lists and formatting are the way to get people to agree with you... and FHRC...on meta of course...
 
@moguzalpenel_hak Take your time. Don't try to take it all in at once.
@Lix FHRC is so 2010... 3D is where it's at!
 
@Shog9 please tell it more openly
 
7:00 PM
@Shog9 I still can't believe they went to the trouble to add that
 
@moguzalpenel_hak Tens of thousands of questions, feature-requests, discussions and bug reports have been posted on MSO. There's very little that hasn't been talked about to some degree already, but finding it - much less reading it - takes time. But if you don't take the time, those who have won't respect you.
@TimStone I know... It's not quite "flight simulator in Excel", but it's pretty unexpected.
 
Lix
@sho - AS IF I'm gonna go back to FF! Chrome is the way :P
 
:D
 
@Lix Pfft - they don't even have a 2.5D top-down isometric DOM viewer.
 
@Shog9 thanks for help and explanation, it is clear now. So please finish my phrase for tonight by telling "experienced users as so involved then they become 'blind'"
 
Lix
7:03 PM
Hehehe.... I left FF at ver.3 I think...
Look down - back up... VERSION 11???
 
@moguzalpenel_hak Experienced users have seen what you're offering already. Unless you have a new perspective on it, justifications that address concerns raised in the past, you give them no reason to give you any attention.
Anyway, I'm off to buy closet rods. whee!
 
Lix
How perfectly random :P
@shog - I thought you only needed hats... and sunglasses
 
7:17 PM
@Shog9 As I am non-native English speaker, it would be better not to "proverbs" and similar :)
they are hard to find in translaters, you know
 
I have a DOM viewer where I can taste and feel elements.
<label>s taste like strawberries.
<div>s have a slightly metallic smack to them
<article>s are like fried eggs but with white only.
 
Lix
@pek - got some <b>arbecue sauce to go along with that?
 
I can't help it - <b>s have a slightly rotten taste to them, no matter what CSS you pour on them to make them taste better.
 
Lix
people who have browser allergies might be dependent on those "rotten" tags...
 
True. Poor souls!
@Josh look, they're playing your song!
 
7:38 PM
Awww they reverted Gaming back to the old theme? :(
 
 
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Lix
8:50 PM
ECHO echo echo echo
Unexpected "echo" expected meta or meta
 

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