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12:37 AM
@Ninefingers, I had closed the chat window. I just noticed your message about Marc's logic on casting in C#. The term 'erased' is used to describe information that was known at compile-time, which is not known at runtime. Generally speaking all the syntax is erased, because you can't generally CLI is not bijective (invertible, and one-to-one) with C#.
@Ninefingers, what Marc and Jon are doing is conflating the implementation of a cast with the semantic of the cast. The cast is a higher-level semantic (it is actually higher than syntax, it is denotational semantics) that says at the syntax level of semantics that we want to cast the type. Now how that gets done at runtime is entirely different concept. In some languages it might always be a NOOP. For example, in Haskell all typing information is erased at compile-time.
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5:04 AM
Hey guys, uhhhh I have a bit of an issue.
I asked a question that got roughly 10 downvotes, and now I'm banned from asking any questions at all. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me... since up/down votes are for agreeing/disagreeing.... and not necessarily a question of poor quality.
My question was of good quality actually and a user even commented saying it's not the quality, but just that people don't agree.
Seems that the system just automatically did it because of the downvotes I got. I think that's an incredibly bad system... especially in this particular site due to the unique nature/meaning of the voting system.
I agree, but there's nothing I can do
They've been slowly trying to turn MSO into "just another SE site", which is fail of course
5:08 AM
Awesome, any idea how I can get anyone to do anything? Because it says the ban in permanent and automated, and I cant post any questions to get help
Yeah I really cannot understand how someone could overlook or blatantly ignore the issue here with this automated system treating this like any other site
that's incredible
Q: Question banning should work differently on Meta

Tomas T.I just wanted to report a problem with Data Explorer and realized I was banned from asking questions on meta. Probably because I asked 3 questions with a score <= -10. Reading through the reasons for this: to prevent help vampires users who can't be bothered to form sentences users who don'...

Upvote this question
I put a comment on it.... hopefully a mod or something will see it.
On that note, there are a few dupes of this post. Might be good to close them.
Q: Down votes should not have any side effect, on meta

PacerierAfter my first suggestion, I've now got a new suggestion: down votes should not have any side effect in meta. By side effects, I mean something like banning me from asking questions due to too many down votes, which I am experiencing right now: This question states that I am permanently banne...

Q: Should the automated ban on questions used on SO apply to Meta as well?

Brad LarsonFrom this question, it appears that the same system for blocking new questions by those that have a history of bad questions used on Stack Overflow also applies to Meta Stack Overflow. Should it? Downvotes appear to be a significant component of this algorithm (the specifics of which are not re...

5:38 AM
Note that the thresholds are different on MSO than SO.
d'oh, meant to edit that.
@AscensionSystems [status-completed]
Ya know, if it's gonna be cold here, we could at least get some snow.
I thought we were going to get some, but it was LIES.
we haven't got squat. not even any "wintry mix / slush"
We got very cold rain.
ha, and the high on Wednesday is apparently going to be 59.
Looks like it's going to be Christmas soon
A: Celebrating Christmas on Stack Overflow

Yi Jiang's 独角兽Introducing the StackExchange™ Christmasify™ Decoratingnator™ Yes, that is a jsfiddle link - SO won't allow JavaScript in anchors for security reasons. Bookmark the link you see, and run the bookmarklet repeatedly. I'll let the results speak for themselves: Alternatively, run repeated...

5:48 AM
@YiJiangs独角兽 I was looking at that answer earlier, hahah (and consequently shaking my head)
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8:19 AM
Q: Make [windows-registry] a synonym of [registry] or vice versa

abatishchevregistry currently has the following wiki entry: Windows registry is a place to save the configuration for hardware, software and the operating system (Windows). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Registry so it's supposing that all the posts using it (1229 at the time of writing) are rel...

Q: Normalize [firefox] versioning tags

abatishchev firefox-3 (85) firefox-5 (36) firefox-6 (1) firefox-8 (2) but firefox2 (12) firefox3 (1) firefox3.5 (40) firefox3.6 (111) firefox4 (203) firefox6 (21) and so on! I propose to use well-used dashed-form for versions.

Q: Make [wcf-service], [wcfservice] synonym to [wcf]

abatishchevCurrently wcfservice is a approved synonym for wcf and wcf-service (45) is just proposed. Please accept.

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1:59 PM
hola ppz
A: How do I navigate out of meta?

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM AYes. Click on main in the top corner of the site. And the other way:

awesome ^_^
lookit the comments
2:26 PM
Q: When editing an answer with spoilers, the links are not hidden in the markdown preview

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM AWhen you edit an answer with a spoiler. For example here: http://meta.stackoverflow.com/posts/71396/edit The links in the preview area (for the spoiler) are shown. Why is this? I believe this should be fixed. This is tested to be the case in at least: IE 8 Firefox 6 Chrome 12 Scre...

3:09 PM
Just saw an SO question get all of its comments deleted.. interesting.
3:29 PM

The poster seems to have erased the question body 'on professor's request' - I'm leaning towards rolling this back, but does anyone else have another opinion here?
I don't see a revision available for rolling back....
revision 7 or 9?
I don't see any. Hmm.
Strange. Here's what I see for rev9:

I have a quick question from my assignment (Programming for Physicists):

> Up to 5,000 items of value are scattered in holes dug in the ground.
> These holes (arranged on a # line) span X-coordinates from 1 to M
> (given M < 100,000). Item "i" was found at the hole with x-coordinate
> X_i (given X_i <= M). No hole contains more than 1 item. So we want
> to prevent rain from seeping in, so we can preserve it for further
> excavation. This can be done by placing boards across the tops of the
I would roll it back. Or delete it. It's not acceptable in its current form.
3:34 PM
deleting it would require mod intervention... I think I'll rollback and flag then
Looks like a for loop, lol
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6:11 PM
herp derp herpa derp
anything doing on this?
Q: Custom jsFiddle for StackOverflow

AdamSo, I'm a javascript developer (mainly), and I've been using SO for a bit now. I keep finding myself needing to use http://jsfiddle.net/ (or similar) in order provide demos in my answers. jsFiddle is great; however, I was wondering if SO has any plans to create its own (slightly-more-permanent) c...

@mods ^^^^^^^
@devs ?
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA Why does anything need to be done with that?
hi All
This post was closed as possible duplicate
Q: Reputation history on my profile page is inconsistent with /reputation log

Idolon Possible Duplicate: My /reputation score and shown rep score are different This is the screenshot of my reputation taken on 2011-12-06 (so "today" means Dec 6, and "yesterday" - Dec 5). Note the "0  Dec 2" section: And this is the part of my http://stackoverflow.com/reputation ...

however I think there IS a bug, thus I flagged post for moderator attention describing the reasons why it should be reopened. I flagged it on Dec 7 but haven't yet received any reaction on that flag.
I wonder how long does it usually take for moderator(s) to process such flags and make some decision?
6:38 PM
@NineShogsShogging what do u mean?
we need dev intervention.
@NineShogsShogging :-P uve been meme'd :-P
A: The Many Memes of Meta

Bob CratchitMeme: A Stackoverflow Carol Originator: Tim Post Cultural Height: Christmas About: One day near Christmas, Tim Post decided to change his name to Tiny Tim, a character from Charles Dicken's A Christmas Carol. That prompted other users to change their names to other characters from it, includi...

wrong meme
6:41 PM
@NineShogsShogging not entirely
why does jsfiddle need SO integration?
@NineShogsShogging for all the reasons that Q says and my dupe says.
Don't put essential information in jsfiddle
flag answers that consist purely of links to jsfiddle
close questions that fail to describe the problem (apart from a link to jsfiddle)
@NineShogsShogging lol never said i did.. but jsfiddle is agood resource and as i said in my dupe (which i still dont think is a dupe) the jsfiddle links are subject to linkrot
You don't get to put yourself into the name-changing post.
6:44 PM
@TheGhostofChristmasPresent :-P or do i?
@TheGhostofChristmasPresent Pekka did lol
well sort of
Q: Make askers aware of JSFiddle

The P.G. Rep Mining Co.Questions in the html, css, javascript and jquery tags tend to profit immensely from the asker providing a ready-made example on jsfiddle.net or a similar "live preview" service. The problem becomes instantly visible; the answerer can enter, test and share their modifications straight away; stu...

@NineShogsShogging ok? so?
Anyone know if it's "bad style" to return from the middle of a c*++function?
The function is a loop, looking up a value in an array.
@Moshe HOLY WAR!
IMHO, no
Thoughts so, thanks.
6:47 PM
Q: Where did the notion of "one return only" come from?

FredOverflowI often talk to Java programmers who say "Don't put multiple return statements in the same method." When I ask them to tell me the reasons why, all I get is "The coding standard says so." or "It's confusing." When they show me solutions with a single return statement, the code looks uglier to me...

I think it's AWESOME style.
Ugh... returns are awesome, use them generously.
@NineShogsShogging hmmmm i dont like that notion (aka i dont follow it)
Because you can confuse people like this.
foreach(needle in haystack) { if needle == testvalue return needle; } return null;
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA Looking for a specific description of how jsfiddle integration would work, and would be beneficial. Hand-wavy "gee, sure would be nice if there were a button that did something funky" isn't really actionable.
6:49 PM
And then they're all like "OMG that function only ever returns null, what's the point of it?"
crystal clear.. I could care less what anyone else says, if it works.
@mootinator myth
@NineShogsShogging I know.
@NineShogsShogging oy...
Loops are confusing, because if you don't read the code you might not realize it's looping.
Conditionals are confusing, because if you don't read the condition, you might not realize there'll be a branch.
Functions are confusing, 'cause, where the hell are they called from man?!
6:51 PM
wait. when did they change the chat notifications to snowmen?
like an hour ago
I missed that.
I haven't done a hard refresh yet, so actually haven't seen it
Quick someone reply to me :P
6:53 PM
@mootinator OMG SNOWMAN
I'm refusing to answer pings in any chat window just so I can keep the snowman around.
Yeah, hook me up with that too?
@TheGhostofChristmasPresent boo
@PopularDemand Na
6:55 PM
@PopularDemand no way jose
I want to change my name too !
@Fosco @NineShogsShogging
How about Eight Memes Memeing
I have jumped on a bandwagon.
aww the snowman is gone
6:58 PM
A snowman? But... I'm from the southern hemisphere, you insensitive clods!
How long does it take for a display name change on meta to populate to chat?
@Fosco instantly if everyone refreshes :-P
@SantaFosco O rly?
@SantaFosco A while. Or until someone takes pity on you and does a hard refresh.
@SantaFosco ^_^
odd, only one of mine changed over
7:00 PM
Q: With all the name changing things can get confusing!

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM AWith all the name changing going on now on meta things can get confusing as to who you are talking to. Can we have somewhere on the profile to see previous names (or even last name used)? Examples: A StackOverflow Carol Changing your display name on a whim.

dv as applicable ^_^
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA +1 because I've thought about suggesting that before, -1 because I realized it wasn't worth it.
@PopularDemand :-P
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA already closed
7:05 PM
booo @balpha
You fail at MSO
@NineShogsShogging well that supposed duplicate was never actioned....
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA Folks are obviously not changing their names enough then.
Once every 30 days isn't horrible.
@mootinator lol there are ways around that
7:07 PM
I requested that a while back, got closed as a dupe of the one above.
You can change it on all but one site, and then copy the profile back to all sites.
Sooo, once every 30 days per SE2.0 network site? O_o.
7:27 PM
Not so great for gag names because it's applied across the network.
Seems my meta name change only affected meta, which I'm happy about.
7:46 PM
@tombull89 Neat trick
8:03 PM
So. Had Chinese for lunch two hours ago.
Now I need to decide what to have for lunch.
8:25 PM
Who do I thank for this? Because they are awesome
@BenBrocka you thank @balpha
you say, "Thank you, @balpha, for not making it a snow-capped unicorn"
How do you quote chat messages?
A snow capped unicorn would be sweet too
Is it just copy-and-paste?
8:31 PM
But thanks @balpha for the awesome snowman thing
1 min ago, by Chris
How do you quote chat messages?
a man aPlan aCAnal PAnaMA
I've completely lost track of who is who.
I'm pretty sure I'm still me.
8:35 PM
@mootinator is that elitist
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA Yes, I know how it looks but I don't know how to reproduce it
We're all now diagnosed with dis-associative personality disorder.
3 mins ago, by Chris
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA Yes, I know how it looks but I don't know how to reproduce it
@Chris Star that comment, and the answer will be clear.
1 min ago, by Tiny mooTim
@Chris Star that comment, and the answer will be clear.
Needs more protocol
8:41 PM
@Chris Let me try and be more helpful... If you hover over a message, a bar will appear on the left side (vertical) of the message with a little arrow. Click the arrow and a box will appear with message options. Hover over the "permalink" link and right click -> copy the destination. Paste that into chat.
@SantaFosco Ah, got it. Thanks!
For some reason I assumed that the chat client would natively support quotes
@SantaFosco That's far too un-cryptic. -10 internets, but +10 reps.
@TinymooTim I had to, you were torturing the poor fella.
@SantaFosco I was actually just adding the "http:" when I got your (admittedly more helpful) response
@Chris see the little arrow and click permalink
8:45 PM
Very helpful @amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA Thanks, I got it :)
2 hours ago, by The Ghost of Christmas Present
I'm refusing to answer pings in any chat window just so I can keep the snowman around.
@TinymooTim lol sorry i got sidetracked by coworkers :-P
5 mins ago, by SantaFosco
@Chris Let me try and be more helpful... If you hover over a message, a bar will appear on the left side (vertical) of the message with a little arrow. Click the arrow and a box will appear with message options. Hover over the "permalink" link and right click -> copy the destination. Paste that into chat.
8:46 PM
There's a list of onebox links on meta
@Fezziwig Love the santa hat!
I love when there's one problem across 5 reports, and I get a different theory for each report about what the problem on each is from one person.
@Fezziwig Ah, that makes perfect sense. Quotes are simply oneboxed links to chat messages.
:793167 hullo!
I love how XKCD gets special oneboxing treatment
You can tell that this site was started by programmers
With the Christmas theme...
It even keeps the alt text!
(^_^) b
8:49 PM
Demographics influence culture! Shocking news.
That just makes me wonder what the "The 20 most-played Christmas songs (1950-1959 radio airplay) by decade of popular release" graph would look like.
Ping me please, I'm seeing snowmen when pinged.
@PopularDemand Or "The 20 most-played Christmas songs (2020-2030 radio airplay) by decade of popular release"
@Moshe Ping!
Yup, snowman.
8:51 PM
Snowman? Eh, I want a latke!
mmm.,.. hashbrowns
Lefse is a traditional soft, Norwegian flatbread. Lefse is made out of potato, milk or cream (or sometimes lard) and flour, and cooked on a griddle. Special tools are available for lefse baking, including long wooden turning sticks and special rolling pins with deep grooves. Flavoring There are many ways of flavoring lefse. The most common is adding butter to the lefse and rolling it up. In Norwegian, this is known as "lefse-klenning". Other options include adding cinnamon, or spreading jelly or lingonberries upon it. Scandinavian-American variations include rolling it with a th...
Potato pancakes are shallow-fried pancakes of grated or ground potato, flour and egg, often flavored with grated onion or garlic and seasoning. Potato pancakes may be topped with a variety of condiments, ranging from the savory (such as sour cream or cottage cheese) to the sweet (such as apple sauce or sugar), or they may be served ungarnished. Potato pancakes are sometimes made from mashed potatoes to produce pancake-shaped croquettes. Background and history Potato pancakes are commonly associated with traditional cuisines of Luxembourg (gromperekichelcher), Latvia, Lithuania, Aust...
Sitting in C++ class, professor is on vacation, sub is not teaching much.
Then you should be thinking of insightful questions (or even dumb ones) to ask
Have you gotten the grasp of pointers?
@jcolebrand Pointers are not covered in this course.
8:56 PM
@Moshe When will they be covered? You really need to understand those.
I thought my alma mater was the only one crazy enough to try and teach a C class without pointers
@BenBrocka You're welcome. They cost 12 rep per appearance. You can read more about that in this personal appeal from chat founder balpha
> I need about tree fitty. - balpha
@balpha I assume you guys are talking about snowmen. That was cute, but I think it needs to be turned off :p ;-)
8:57 PM
@jcolebrand If they're not covered in the next one, I'll mention it to the chair of the dept.
Yo Fosco, what gives man ;-)
@jcolebrand Hey ) what's up?
@Moshe honestly, from your iOS if you haven't figured it out yet, already, then I'll be impressed.
@SantaFosco my pain levels? ;-) Just a little trouble with L4/L5 and L5/S1 (yes, concurrent disk degeneration)
Ouch :(
So anyways, I shouldn't be in chat, I just popped in for a bit to see what all was going on
8:58 PM
Q: Thanks for the chat snowman!

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM AThanks to @balpha for the chat snowman! How long are those cold form of delight going to be up on the exchange chat system? (or will I have to keep that same tab open forever to maintain the javascript code for it? ^_^)

@jcolebrand I'm reluctant to say that I have figured them out, because I'm terrible at explaining things, but...
I'm gonna jet. If TimStone is kicking about, ya'll can pester him for details about me :p
Good Luck JC
@Moshe write a blog entry on it, point me at it on email, preface it with "I'm not sure I'm explaining this right" and I'll look at it over the weekend.
A pointer is a one sentence tip you give to other programmers.
8:59 PM
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA I wish you'd stop creating a meta post for every byte that gets transferred over the internet.
@balpha as do I, as do I
@jcolebrand Explaining pointers? Ok, will do, probably after finals though.
Thanks for the blog posts!
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA 15 internets if you onebox a meta post entitled "A byte was transferred over the internet."
1 min ago, by balpha
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA I wish you'd stop creating a meta post for every byte that gets transferred over the internet.
@mootinator good enough?
That was worth only 2 internets.
9:02 PM
@TinymooTim that was at least 3.5
Q: A byte was transferred over the internet

MosheA byte was transferred over the internet, Dedicated to @amanaplan: A byte was transferred over the internet. A question was asked on StackOverflow. A byte was transferred over the internet. An answer is posted. Check.

I did it first!
@Moshe @balpha is not impressed
9:04 PM
@Fezziwig Why not?
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA Deleted before you could onebox it. Execution needs work.
@TinymooTim booo
10 internets for effort.
I should get 15 for execution.
wants 15 internets
Plus, the whole poem is visible in the one box.
Am I missing a meme here? How much is an internet as a unit of measurement?
9:06 PM
awards @Moshe @amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA's internets.
A: The Many Memes of Meta

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM AMeme: A byte was transferred over the internet. Origin: balpha Cultural Height: TBD First Seen: MSO Chat, probably in The Tavern Background: During chat with @amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA

You can't be serious
9:08 PM
Am I allowed to flag meme answers for deletion?
Oh, never mind
@Fezziwig :-P
sorry im bored today...
no excuse
Try staring at the snowman. He speaks to me on a very deep emotional level
@Fezziwig - The snowman is speaking to you? Have you seen the doctor about that?
@Fezziwig That's just the psychosis talking.
Oh, he speaks. Maybe one day he'll speak to you too
He'll open one of his six mouths, and sing the song that ends the Earth
9:10 PM
I just realized something.
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA Wow... that's nuts.
@Chris An internets in this context seems to have become the opposite of a reps.
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA Somebody stuck an &#8238; under @RebeccaChernoff's enter key. That's why her smilies are always backwards.
@SantaFosco hehe took me a while, and its still a bit buggy :-P
@Moshe hmmmm
@SantaFosco thats all pure js too. no jQuery or anything
9:15 PM
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA Nice work.. is it playing a random game or re-playing a real one?
@SantaFosco lol its always random ^_^ (different score every time)
I didn't look at the code... Also, man it would be sweet if someone did graphics for it.
@SantaFosco Yup, that it would be...
@SantaFosco lol i have some fake graphics in the corner which took a while to implement
Go mets!
I like the bases thing.
9:16 PM
@Moshe lol the diamond is some css magic ^_^
also the game is already done when u load it lol
I think it should pause between half innings.., or show the traditional scoreboard inning by inning
hits, runs, errors
@SantaFosco hehe its not real-time hehe its all on delay with a setTimeout
I'm just 'spit-balling' here, as the project manager in the office would say.
@SantaFosco "click to continue", yup.
Okay, being cold and semi-interested. Closing the tavern.
Wait, why do the mets bat if they are winning before the bottom of the ninth?
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA That's wrong.
@Moshe ?
lol this is all the way from june
9:19 PM
::points up::
Here is the original one (which is baaaad) jsfiddle.net/maniator/pajsR
home team bats only if they're down at the end of half of nine
also there are many diff versions (i think it goes upwards of 200)
then i switched the way i did it to the new one
different code base
Your baseball logic is wrong though.
@Moshe lol its buggy as i said.
9:21 PM
A team only bats in bottom nine if they're down.
@Moshe so play around with it if u have the time :-)
lol, not a chance (re time).
@Moshe :-P it was just something fun i was playing with in the js chat room before it got mean (back in may)
now they are a bit mean about fun there
I see that trend happening across the whole SE network...
@SantaFosco :-\ so annoying. i used to have fun in chat
9:24 PM
I've been meaning to put together a thorough blog post on the topic of idealism on SO, and how most questions aren't rooted in ideal situations, so snooty idealistic snobbery isn't justified in answers.
thats where i came up with thesoconundrum.com
Stack Overflow: Elitism welcome. (Just not site proposals about it.)</troll>
9:50 PM
declares 3:50-5pm nap so I'm less grumpy commuting time.
Kindly disregard that I telecommute.
I was about to ask you how little "getting fired" affects your grumpiness.
Wait, that's a thing?
Try taking a nap at a non-working-from-home job and find out!
9:59 PM
I had a job where I was the only programmer at the company. Pretty sure they thought I was napping most of the time.
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