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2:56 AM

Hey Tavern people, quick Q: Who usually writes the spec, the client or the developer?

Yes.

concur.

@mootinator But... That's not a yes or no question.

@MichaelPetrotta Heh, funny you should pop in now, was just thinking that you haven't been here in a while.

I'm mysterious that way.

I suspect it depends who the client is, what type of spec you're talking about.

2:59 AM

@mootinator Can you elaborate please? I'm dealing with an individual who has a rather large niche business and wants an app done.

The spec is, as I told him "for both of us, so that the price doesn't change too much and so that we get this done in a timely fashion. I don't either of us want this to drag on beyond a reasonable amount of time."

@MichaelPetrotta - You're a .NET dev, right?

Mainly, yep.

I don't think it matters who writes it then.

As long as you both agree on it.

With some branching to Java and databases.

@MichaelPetrotta Cool, I may be posting C# questions (assuming they haven't been asked yet). I'm an MSP now, so I may have to churn out some apps.

@mootinator Okay, can I bill for time spent on writing it?

Didn't know about that program, cool.

(unless you meant you're a Manic Street Preacher) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manic_Street_Preachers

3:03 AM

@Moshe I don't see why not.

@mootinator Awesome.

One more question then, when I've done contracts, I've used bulleted lists. Is there a standard format for writing a software project spec?

Software Requirements Specification

I don't know.

Organization of an SRS A Software Requirements Specification (SRS) – a requirements specification for a software system – is a complete description of the behavior of a system to be developed. It includes a set of use cases that describe all the interactions the users will have with the software. In addition to use cases, the SRS also contains non-functional requirements. Non-functional requirements are requirements which impose constraints on the design or implementation (such as performance engineering requirements, quality standards, or design constraints). A general organization o...

Q: Are there standard practices when writing a spec for a software development project?

Are there standard practices when writing a spec for a software development project? Is there a specific format to follow? Also, does the developer or the client write this up? If the dev, is this billable?

@mootinator Thanks. Go get some reps now. :-)

A link to Wikipedia? Meh, someone will do better no doubt.

Either that or it will be closed in short order.

3:16 AM

Lol, my snark got downvoted.

Heh, wasn't me. Also, that's a paid link, right?

Yeah, yah.

Well, thanks. I'm going to get to sleep early. :: Likes the new schedule without DST. ::

Tshcüß!

There, I posted a link to the full pdf, which I'm sure isn't kosher somehow.

Haha, thanks.

Wirklich, Tschüß!

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Reno

10:03 AM

whoa Stack Overflow is down

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11:08 AM

It's too early, go back to sleep @mootinator. :P

11:44 AM

@TimStone No, I have to go drive 3 hours on icy roads to a meeting at 9

Oh, that's extremely uncool. In that case, have safe travels.

Thanks, see ya later :)

See ya

12:33 PM

@balpha Aren't you supposed to be honeymooning or something? What are you doing here? :P

balpha

we've moved honeymooning to some time in spring

Ah :)

1:24 PM

Is it possible to see vote counts on mobile?

Additionally, the request to do so is status-declined.

Oh, why?

A: Show the number of up-votes and down-votes on the mobile site theme

This actually was available very early in the mobile theme's development (I forget if it made it to the first public release or not). The gotcha is that a lot of android phones really don't have the click accuracy you need to distinguish between up vote, down vote, and show vote split clicks. I...

Thanks. I've added a bounty and a suggestion.

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7:55 PM

yawns Busy day in here.

It's alive!

I hate when it's quiet in here, but I get more work done that way.

I've been feeling terrible and in phone meetings all day, so I'm not sure how much I've accomplished even given that, heh.

Sorry to hear... hope you feel better soon.

@Moshe Just ran through the latest Moflotz testflight... nice work, it no longer resembles that other game. The new art is good.

Thanks, some weird stomach bug, seems to be clearing up.

@Fosco Thank you!

Anyone: Why would I make a bad moderator? I need someone to convince me not to nominate myself.

(Unless you think I have a shot at being a decent mod.)

8:07 PM

@Moshe Because you're Jewish. (Totally kidding here folks, put down the pitchforks.) :)

@Fosco Heh. :-)

What site is up for moderator nominations?

StackOverflow is up accepting nominations.

As of a few minutes ago.

Ok, nobody else has any objections, goes to nominate self. (I'm sure some people would have reasonable objections if they were around.)

:( I don't have Strunk & White

@Fosco Which badges should nominees ideally have? I see that you've reference one which makes we wonder about the others.

8:16 PM

For the Stack Overflow election, an eligible candidate for the election must have all of the following badges:

Civic Duty
Strunk & White
Deputy
Convention
Pundit
Yearling

I'm missing Pundit, I think.

Heh, just found an easy way to grab two other badges - offered a bounty on another question.

Pundit is gone now.

@Fosco FOR THE SHAME

I know... I've edited a lot, how could I not..

is there a way to see my progress towards that badge?

Pundit is gone?

I was wondering....

@Fosco Not an easy one.

8:25 PM

Am I being doing something wrong by writing the following?

nevermind, I can't get Strunk & White, Deputy, & Convention in the next 7 days. Maybe next year. :)

> I'm a solid contributor in the Objective-C and iOS tags. I have both asked great questions and provided insightful answers.

@Moshe depends, is it a lie?

Also, can I link to questions and answer there?

@Shog9 No.

Then what's wrong with it?

8:25 PM

@Fosco Bah. All of those things are rate-limited, but not enough that you couldn't get them all in a week.

@Shog9 Cheesiness?

That sounds like a personal matter

I'm shocked that the SO mod nomination period has been open for a nonzero, nonnegative amount of time and nobody has been nominated yet.

@PopularDemand I thought I saw a nomination already.