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it is really getting ridiculous, now there are eight Android rooms ... one of them was one of my ideas which I've abandoned now but that makes seven Android rooms.

I love the newest one Layout-Design-Android wth?

Yi Jiang

I can't believe I just started listening to Pink Floyd

drachenstern

and? why is that?

so start a request on meta to have them all collapsed @OctavianDamiean

Yi Jiang

I don't know, I can't believe they're not played more often anywhere else

Moshe

5:42 AM

Yea, 8 rooms is ridiculous. Proposal time.

drachenstern

@YiJiang join the crowd, I suppose

ok, so I have an issue

Octavian Damiean

I don't know, think about it, wouldn't it be nice to have a void-c room, int-c room, switch-case-c room and so on, lets split the heck out of every language and create a room :D /sarcasm

drachenstern

I love the way my nodejs router is laid out, except it doesn't seem to handle the case very well where a URL is not defined.

@OctavianDamiean no

Wanted

@OctavianDamiean Created by users to help each other in their style without special rules

Octavian Damiean

@Wanted well that would be ok for maybe one additional room but seven?

that doesn't make sense

Moshe

5:46 AM

What are the requirements to start a room atm?

drachenstern

@Wanted if there was enough traffic to each room to warrant 8 different rooms to keep the traffic manageable, perhaps

But there is not. You are abusing the privilege of having a room and creating it.

You even know that you are abusing that privilege.

Moshe

How much rep is required to make a room?

Octavian Damiean

I think 100 rep.

stackoverflow.com/privileges/chat-rooms

Moshe

Meh. I found a proposal to tie tags to rooms. I'm writing an answer.

Wanted

Android rooms are busiest rooms, so i think more than one room does traffic sharing but 8 rooms are really too much ..

Damodar

5:53 AM

hi guys

Gud Morning

drachenstern

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Q: Is it chat-server abuse to create many redundant rooms for the exact same topic with the same audience?

This Q spawned from this chat session: Where Cole alleges that users are abusing the privilege of creating rooms I think that there is no need to have 8 separate Android rooms, unless we can show that consistently, over time, having 1 room is insufficient for the needs of the community. This is ...

Damodar

it will not abuse
but it will alert you , u need to create new room with the same name
if u proceed , it will create a new room with the same room

drachenstern

I read it the first time you said it

perhaps you can repeat it a few more times?

Damodar

:)

Moshe

0

A: Assign tags to chat rooms

I'm completely in favor of this proposal, if only to help alleviate the problem which is worse than duplicate questions: duplicate chat rooms. It would be one thing if there were enough traffic to maintain eight rooms, but there isn't. I think that a viable solution to the problem of duplicate An...

Wanted

6:03 AM

I think room owners should have privilege to delete own chat room

Yi Jiang

@Damodar I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say there

drachenstern

@Wanted whyso? Everything on the SEI network should be 100% transparent as much as possible.

Damodar

@YiJiang system will not restrict user , in creating mutiple rooms with the same name

drachenstern

@YiJiang he's trying to say "if you try and create a chatroom with the same name, the system will tell you that such a room already exists, but that you can ignore that and create it anyways" which is why I call it abuse.

Yi Jiang

@drachenstern Yes, but it doesn't answer the question - the system doesn't automatically prevent you from posting spam either - it can't, but that doesn't mean it's not abuse

drachenstern

6:07 AM

@YiJiang so we agree, pretty much, in this case.

Damodar

@drachenstern Edit : as how we have tags to questions, same way we can generalise some tags for room while creating. This way we can restrict multiple rooms with the same name

Octavian Damiean

I don't understand a single word

Damodar

@OctavianDamiean what you not understand dude

drachenstern

@Moshe good point that (re EL&U)

@Damodar what? That doesn't sound like English.

@Damodar he means that there is a serious language barrier here

Wanted

@OctavianDamiean Probably he mean there should be room per tag (if required only for popular tags)

drachenstern

6:14 AM

English is not your first language, and we are not quite understanding your use of words and the way you put them together to form sentences.

@Wanted yeah, that's what he's saying.

Octavian Damiean

@Wanted oh I see, thanks

drachenstern

attention everyone discussing the android rooms topic I created a MSO Q for that very reason. I'll link it again for this benefit. Please keep the discussion to that Q as much as possible, to give the broader community a chance to see it.

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Q: Is it chat-server abuse to create many redundant rooms for the exact same topic with the same audience?

This Q spawned from this chat session: Where Cole alleges that users are abusing the privilege of creating rooms I think that there is no need to have 8 separate Android rooms, unless we can show that consistently, over time, having 1 room is insufficient for the needs of the community. This is ...

discussion chat moderator-responsibility alleged-abuse

Moshe

@drachenstern Thanks. I do see the logic in creating a room per topic or room per tag, however, I'm wondering if user ability to open rooms is part of the third place concept. (I don't rememeber the blog post well enough.)

drachenstern

Yeah, that was always a benefit

Damodar

@drachenstern its regarding me ...?

@drachenstern do my english is worse

drachenstern

6:18 AM

@Damodar yes, continue reading please.

Moshe

Looking at the privilege list... I see that there is something called a "trusted user". It seems like those are the folks to be trusted. I know 10K is a bit steep, but perhaps SO (and only SO) can change the weight required to open chat rooms.

Damodar

@drachenstern as we have tags for posting questions, in the same manner we can generalise some tags for creating chat rooms also...

@drachenstern is it fine now

Octavian Damiean

Isn't trusted user 20k?

drachenstern

@Moshe so propose that

I need to get to bed, I didn't realize it was 1:30 in the morning

Octavian Damiean

alright, good night

drachenstern

6:22 AM

@Moshe why are you up at 2:30?

Moshe

@drachenstern working on getting to bed early but old habits die hard

Also, thursdays are late nights here. But yea.

Tim Stone

Bah, sleep.

Moshe

@drachenstern proposed as part of my answer.

Bis morgen. Tschüss!

Wanted

6:38 AM

0

Q: Should user talk at chat room in other language than english ?

If one user want to explain a thing to other user(who understands) in his first language, is he doing anything wrong? Also can user create a language specific chat room for his country mates?

discussion chat

Damodar

6:48 AM

Guys ,I started process of deleting my Meta SO Account

Wanted

@Moshe What is wrong if users talk in other language in separate room? (Only technical discussion and with discipline)

@Damodar why dear?

Moshe

@wanted so is an English language site. Dlnt get me wrong. I loves languages. I just dot think it's appropriate. It's rude to converse in another languages when you know peopledont understand you. Swap emails or use skype for that.

Wanted

@Damodar By the way i didn't found way to delete an account is that really possible?

please delete me

@Wanted ya possible, search for post on deleting account

Dr.Jackal

@Wanted i think if all users of a room wish to talk in other language then you can talk in other language

Wanted

7:00 AM

@Moshe But we should cooperate the user finding trouble in explaining in English

please delete me

@Wanted why did u accepted Moshe answer to ur post n why u contridicting here again with him here

Wanted

@pleasedeleteme b'cos i agree with his answer and trying to say the issue is still open to discuss

Octavian Damiean

@Wanted if you agree with something bust still want to leave it open for discussion then don't accept it but upvote it

that is what the upvote function is there for

Wanted

ok

badp's sockpuppet

status-declined

Octavian Damiean

7:15 AM

morning badp :)

Dr.Jackal

@balpha hi

@badpssockpuppet morning

Tim Stone

7:36 AM

►

please delete me

7:56 AM

hey do anybody know user by name,"YOU" . he used to answer well in MetaSO

Loïc Wolff

YOU

15.5k 3 17 54

support discussion bug feature-request status-completed reputation stackoverflow

please delete me

@LoïcWolff thanks dude

Loïc Wolff

8:38 AM

Since the SE engine can detect possibly bad question: "What is the best thingadongdong?" gets a red banner saying "The question you're asking appears subjective and is likely to be closed."
What keywords would you think would be good to detect "Idea for a new Stack Exchange site"-type question?

That way, those site-proposal question could be detected and the user would be immediately linked to Area 51. Site that apparently not a lot of people are aware of.

M'vy

oh hai!

please delete me

@Mvy hi, bye to SO Meta

Ólafur Waage

9:14 AM

morning

M'vy

Morning!

M'vy

9:42 AM

+10 @ÓlafurWaage :D

Ólafur Waage

on meta?

M'vy

yep :P

for the CW related question XD

Ólafur Waage

ya, stupid question by that guy

btw when did they remove where you could make a question CW when you asked?

Loïc Wolff

@ÓlafurWaage But wait! It's going to generate HUGE traffic!

@ÓlafurWaage A loooong time ago.

Tim Stone

October 14th

Ólafur Waage

9:45 AM

Wasn't it on the 15th?

M'vy

It's not available to all user no?

Loïc Wolff

Only to mods

M'vy

Oh then maybe it's only for answers

Tim Stone

@ÓlafurWaage +/- waffles.

M'vy

But I think I once saw that check box

Loïc Wolff

9:47 AM

Yep, you can always mark your answers as CW

M'vy

BTW there is automatic CW

10 edits by OP

5 by different users

Ólafur Waage

+ waffles most def

Octavian Damiean

oy, Jeff is the Android room

Reno

i know :D

Wanted

@Reno i like this so much .... xrenox.deviantart.com

Octavian Damiean

9:52 AM

nods

that is amazing! (the drawing of course)

Wanted

keep it up

Reno

I think they have drawn a lot of attention by coming on m.So. I was really surprised when I saw that Dori knew about their suspension.

Ólafur Waage

i requested access and then the page refreshed and now i can request again

huh?

Octavian Damiean

no you should have write access by now

Ólafur Waage

neato

Wanted

9:54 AM

Do you guys think question was bad?

Octavian Damiean

yup, just rechecked

Ólafur Waage

I see no jeff

fnuss

Reno

yeah he is gone now.

Ólafur Waage

BAH

LAMEO

M'vy

We could try to invoke him

Reno

9:59 AM

yeah I was expecting some fireworks.

Ólafur Waage

Jeff Atwood.

Jeff Atwood

Jeff Atwood.

CANDYMAN!

M'vy

Hummmyaaa huuummmmyaaa

Wanted

@OctavianDamiean ok, i got my answer after all

Octavian Damiean

@Wanted oh no I was talking to Olafur. Your question is a valid question in my opinion.

downvotes in meta don't necessarily mean that the question is bad but that people disagree with whatever was asked in the question.

Wanted

@OctavianDamiean Thanks

So Hindi is allowed some time

i concluded ....

tombull89

10:20 AM

@Wanted Hindi would be allowed on a one-to-one basis, providing few (or no) other people are in the room as it would be considered rude (i.e. like whispering about someone behind their back)

Wanted

@tombull89 I'll take care of that

Ólafur Waage

10:41 AM

I'm curious, what did you guys say in English that prompted the suspension?

tombull89

@ÓlafurWaage I can't find the screenshot but there was one user saying he wanted to kill Reno, and another just going "haha". Most of it was in Hindi.

Ólafur Waage

oki

tombull89

I don't know if it was meant as ligh-hearted/jest, but it wasn't looked on very favourably.

Wanted

11:04 AM

@tombull89 I was driven away that time, never intended to kill such a nice artist :)

xrenox.deviantart.com

Reno

11:25 AM

so If I was not an artist I'd be dead?

Loïc Wolff

Great, now I want to watch Firefly again...

thanks, @reno

Octavian Damiean

lol

Loïc Wolff

chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/…

you're welcome

Wanted

@Reno Forgive me for that day, i am sorry .....

@Reno lol at max .... you are just amazing ....

Loïc Wolff

@Wanted apologizing to him everyday is not going to change anything. Prove yourself useful to the community by helping on thing you're good at, and some day all this will be put behind us.

but if you apologize every day, it's just going to remind him of what happened.

Reno

11:41 AM

Exactly, Infact I've muted him.

using mentions in every sentence is annoying

in Room for Dr.Jackal and balpha, 4 hours ago, by balpha

Please stop making every line a reply to me. There's two of us in this room. Who else would you be talking to?

Wanted

@LoïcWolff What a attitude he have ....! even not responding to say "its ok" ...

I am here to learn manner while talking, i am agree with you

Octavian Damiean

he has muted you because you were constantly mentioning him, it is not his attitude which is the problem here

Reno

Yeah I'm wearing earphones, not attitude.

Dharmendra

@Reno hi

George Marian

Gah!!! If you're going to put an empty line after the curly brackets, why not just place the effing brackets on their own line?

Octavian Damiean

11:53 AM

because it'd be consistent :p

George Marian

lol

Ironically, there is a certain lack of consistency in the formating of this code.

Lack of comments, too.

Dharmendra

@OctavianDamiean @Reno can we be a professional friends ?

Octavian Damiean

@Dharmendra I'm not quite sure what to say. As long as you play by the rules and don't make trouble everything is absolutely fine. Where is the problem?

George Marian

@OctavianDamiean blush ? ;)

Dharmendra

ok now there is no trouble at least from my side ok :)

Octavian Damiean

12:00 PM

is a bit confused and clueless

tombull89

12:13 PM

hmm...I have 5x more rep on M.SO than I do on SO.

Octavian Damiean

which is nothing bad is it? :)

tombull89

@OctavianDamiean not at all, it's just unusal (for me, at least).

Octavian Damiean

oh ok :)

M'vy

@tombull89 I just got my m.SO over my SO yesterday... Following your tracks :P

Wanted

12:28 PM

Something related to we talking in morning

Octavian Damiean

@Wanted from which room is that?

Wanted

chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/836/android-solver

Octavian Damiean

thanks

interesting

in ANDROID SOLVER on Stack Overflow Chat, 1 hour ago, by Jack

@hotveryspicy i am Dharmendra

Loïc Wolff

UPPERCASE TEXT and "professional room" doesn't go well together, IMO.

tombull89

@OctavianDamiean and he is also @Dr.Jackal.

Wanted

12:35 PM

@OctavianDamiean @Dharmendra have merged his two accounts is it offense ?

tombull89

Dr.Jackal = Jack = Dharmendra

Wanted

@tombull89 There is only Dr.Jackal == Jack with real name Dharmendra

Is merging two accounts is an offens ?

tombull89

Yes, but having three account for one person is...frowned upon.

Mainly because it's used for sockpuppeting, also in this case to circumvent a ban.

Wanted

He not having three accounts at all, he has merged two accounts

Octavian Damiean

@Wanted the users Dr.Jackal, Dharmendra and Jack are all the same accounts obviously. circumventing a suspension is not allowed no.

Dharmendra

12:42 PM

@OctavianDamiean @tombull89 i have two accounts and that are now merged

tombull89

here, meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/92886/… Dori, a SE team member, says that Dharmendra and Dr.Jacka are the same person while, in that chat post chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/777625#777625 above Jack says he is also Dharmenrda.

Dharmendra

have only name different not accounts

tombull89

If "Jack" is not Deharmendra, that's a bad idea him saying so as they account will likely get merged.

Dharmendra

i have saperated account in meta and SO

thats why confusion

Reno

actually its been burninated already

Dharmendra

12:45 PM

burninated means ?

Octavian Damiean

oh so Dharmendra is your real name?

Dharmendra

yes

Octavian Damiean

is it a common name in India?

Reno

It's still in chat because Jack has not left the chat-room

tombull89

oh christ. Right, Ok.

Dharmendra

12:47 PM

means ?

Wanted

@OctavianDamiean Yes "Dharmenra" is name of one of indian superstar actors

Dharmendra

@OctavianDamiean what do you mean Dharmendra is your real name ? why are you talking like this i am only one dharmendra here

Octavian Damiean

I see, well then it doesn't prove anything what Jack wrote there

Dharmendra

but i can't understand what is the confusion here ?

Wanted

@OctavianDamiean Many Android chat rooms created after you made your one private

that is what those guys talking about

Octavian Damiean

12:53 PM

I'm very well aware of that but I'm not responsible for people creating more rooms than necessary, no one ever said that they should create seven!

Wanted

@OctavianDamiean yes 7 is too much

Octavian Damiean

I really don't think that people would have a problem with one additional room but seven is like you said too much.

Wanted

Also having similar names and they are active every day

Octavian Damiean

but looking at the transcript of that Android solvers room I can understand why there are that many different rooms. It seems that quite a few are fighting in that room as well. I don't understand most of it but there are messages in English asking why people are fighting in that room.

Reno

spot the difference

Wanted

1:02 PM

@OctavianDamiean Don't expect discipline there as those rooms are created bye users you kicked out from your room

Dharmendra

hey why are these two A/c ?

tombull89

@Dharmendra seriously? seriously?

Dharmendra

yes bcos i had login today and it was created new A/c

Wanted

Why these rooms are bad for SO's environment ?

tombull89

@Dharmendra flag one of your questions then, and ask the accounts to be merged.

Wanted

1:10 PM

Is matter of bad usage of resources ?

tombull89

@Wanted Because eight rooms on one topic is excessive. I doubt the servers take much of a hit.

Dharmendra

@tombull89 can you merged these two A/c ?

Reno

It drove poor SankarGanesh nuts.

tombull89

It's like if you caught a bus to work. If you were waiting at 6 buses turned up, at the same time, doing the same route, it's a waste when everything is going in the same direction (or same topic).

@Dharmendra I can't, no. You'll need to flag for moderator attention and request an account merge.

Loïc Wolff

A/c ?

tombull89

1:13 PM

@LoïcWolff account, AFAIK.

Wanted

@tombull89 but 2 or 3 buses are full of passengers

Loïc Wolff

@Reno I think they got the best of him, since he's not coming here anymore

Dharmendra

yes i want to merge meta.stackoverflow.com/users/162726/dr-jackal and meta.stackoverflow.com/users/160950/dharmendra

Loïc Wolff

@tombull89 that's what I thought, can't see why it would be an acronym.

tombull89

@Wanted that was obviously the wrong metaphor. End of the day, 8 chat rooms for one topic is unessecary.

Octavian Damiean

1:15 PM

it actually means Apples / cent

Loïc Wolff

@Dharmendra in your account, change the "about" text to: merge me with <other account url> on both your account. and send a mail to team@stackoverflow.com

Wanted

@tombull89 Dividing traffic and separating class of users also like first class, general class, ...etc

Reno

or Air conditioner

Dharmendra

@LoïcWolff i have flag my A/c to moderator

Octavian Damiean

@Wanted I don't like that comparison, not at all. There are no different classes, we are all the same

balpha

1:17 PM

@Dharmendra accounts merged

Dharmendra

thanks

tombull89

I'm so going to regret that metaphor

Reno

there you go :)

Octavian Damiean

/confusion

Dharmendra

@balpha but why my reputation is now less ?

Loïc Wolff

1:19 PM

probably has to do with your -16 on the question

-16

Q: What are the different types of reasons for banning a particular user?

I want to know the reasons why I was banned from Stack Overflow. Actually, I was banned from 23/5/2011 without any warning. I do not understand the reasons why I was banned from the Stack Overflow chat rooms. I am not suspended from Stack Overflow. Can anyone explain this to me?

discussion chat account-suspension

balpha

an account merge comes with a rep recalc

Dharmendra

ok

@balpha are you moderator i know but are you developer ? how you can be a moderator are you getting any salary or something from SO ? if you like my question then answer me else no problem

balpha

I'm a developer; the moderator part comes as a side job to that. So I get paid to write software, and to stop people from using it. Or something.

16

Dharmendra

ok but are you developing for SO or anywhere else ?

balpha

Stack Overflow Blog: Welcome Stack Overflow Valued Associates #00006 and #00007

Posted by Jeff Atwood on June 9th, 2010

I’m pleased to announce that Stack Overflow Inc has added two more valued associates to our team:

Marc is a long time elected community moderator, C# MVP, and the #2 user on Stack Overflow, as sorted by reputation. Just under some guy I’ve never heard of.

Ben is the perpetrator of the gloriously wonderful Unicornify (see April 1 2010), HREF overflow, the not a real question game — as well as dozens of prescient meta suggestions and bugfixes.

You’ve probably noticed by now that neither Ben nor Marc live in the United States. The last time I checked, only 36% of Stack …

(I'm the guy on the other picture)

Loïc Wolff

1:33 PM