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In general, I'm pretty sure the primary motivation for getting 10k is related to why we love watching Russian dash cam videos of car accidents on YouTube.

Journeyman Geek

1:08 AM

eh. depends.

I kinda didn't notice on SU

Jason C

@JourneymanGeek Oh man.

Journeyman Geek

and most of the time, things are deleted for a reason

Jason C

411 points until you get that reward.

Journeyman Geek

There's very few things that are actually at the proper level of trainwreck

Jason C

Worst mod ever.

Journeyman Geek

1:09 AM

@JasonC oh, I can read it cause I answered it

Jason C

Oh right, lol.

Journeyman Geek

@JasonC In his case I'm the mod the community ~~needed~~ wanted, not the mod he needed ;p

Jason C

Speaking of things exploding

Journeyman Geek

@ɥʇǝS short version - user had socks obvious enough a normal user noticed. Suspended him a week. He had a bounty that expired in 6 days.

Jason C

I'm going to go make dinner then binge watch Air Crash Investigations until I pass out.

Peace

ɥʇǝS

1:11 AM

@JourneymanGeek heh, tough luck.

Journeyman Geek

Pretty much

user202362

@JasonC you do know that if you were to walk 20km that last 1km is the longest km you will walk on that day right?

user202362

the rest 19 is irrelevant

Journeyman Geek

@Telkitty heh. Or the 1km after that cause you're in the ass end of nowhere and you need to get a ride.

user202362

1:40 AM

usually you plan your trip so you don't end up in the middle of nowhere without any means of transport :p

user202362

Journeyman Geek

Walked a railway track. the end's literally inside a forest.

JamesENL

@Telkitty Doggo

Journeyman Geek

had to walk back, across a bridge not designed for anything but trains.

user202362

2:08 AM

2

user202362

this is not a bear ... just like a 5 year old dog is not a puppy!

Journeyman Geek

Samoyed!

They have adorable grins

bjb568

2:53 AM

@JourneymanGeek pretty cool train line if it just ends in the middle of a forest.

Journeyman Geek

@bjb568 naw, it goes across a small strait into malaysia

they closed down most of the railway line and its in theory a very long, narrow public park

bjb568

Sounds fun.

Journeyman Geek

most of its closed off cause they're sticking a new water mains under it

as a sneaky way of keeping it undevelopable

user315433

!!/report academia.stackexchange.com/a/86966

Jason C

So this query: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/647117/…

Is insanely fast (even the first time I ran it after writing it).

How is that so fast? It was < 1 second, for all users, all sites.

SmokeDetector

3:02 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Using movie clips in a conference presentation by mediahumen on academia.SE

user202362

4:22 AM

Journeyman Geek

4:33 AM

@JasonC I wonder what its like sans SO.

ɥʇǝS

Jason C

@JourneymanGeek You want to see the ranks without SO included?

Journeyman Geek

yup

I figure I can tack something on to line 13 but.... I have no idea what that would be ;p

(and I'm pretty sure that's skewed by the sheer volume ~~Jon Skeet~~ SO has)

Jason C

data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/…

That excludes all the non-english SO's, too.

Journeyman Geek

hm.

40k to get anywhere there for me, alas ;p

actually, somewhat less

Jason C

4:41 AM

Way less

You're only 109 points short of rank #100

Journeyman Geek

yup

Jason C

and that was last monday so you might've passed rand by now

Journeyman Geek

That's a good day or two on any site.

Maybe even cooking

SmokeDetector

5:22 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in link text in body, bad keyword in title: Get the Yahoo phone number solution by Aleena Jones on apple.SE

SmokeDetector

6:38 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Why does Batman kiss Harley in Suicide Squad? by Arpit on scifi.SE

alexolut

8:05 AM

@ShadowWizard you will not see my post via 10k tools :-D

Derpy

8:51 AM

Rarity was right! WHINING REALLY WORKS!
My Azure Portal feedback whine message was successful. The "status" column on the "all virtual machines" page magically returned!

Stijn

@Derpy proof that MS monitors the Tavern

Derpy

@Stijn nope, there is a button on the portal page, top right "Send us feedback"

I sent them a frowning emoji face, a message "please add back the status column so that I won't need to manually check every VM detail page" and a picture of a sad Rarity. Somehow, they listened.

Shadow Wizard

9:09 AM

@alexolut why delete? Dupes are fine to keep. :)

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Did Heinlein invent the term "boot-chevrons" or did an actual military use it? by iven on scifi.SE

Pandya

9:36 AM

@JasonC Congratulation for 10k on MSE!

alexolut

Journeyman Geek

\o/

SmokeDetector

9:55 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: In Jack Ketchum's short "The Box", what exactly was in the box? by azunna kelechukwu o on scifi.SE

Derpy

12:51 PM

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M.A.R.

1:06 PM

ZZZzzzzZZZZz

Stijn

ℤℤℤℤℤℤℤℤℤℤℤ

M.A.R.

ZzZzZzZzZzZzZz

Derpy

Shall we throw the first official Tavern Sleepover / Slumber Party since everyone is sleepy?

Stijn

if there's a pillow fight, I'm in

M.A.R.

1:22 PM

If there's a pillow fight, I'm in too

Derpy

1:44 PM

user202362

Fawad

ℤℤℤℤℤℤℤℤℤℤℤ

Journeyman Geek

2:00 PM

woof.

Derpy

2:17 PM

nyan!

Journeyman Geek

excellent. I bark, you yowl, then we can wake everyone up.

Bart

QUIET! I'm trying to sleep ... I mean, work. Of course I meant work. Nothing to see herezzzzzzzzzz

Derpy

2:58 PM

@Bart "I am pancake"?

Shadow Wizard

Bzz

@M.A.R. I wonder, they use the pillows afterwards?

πάντα ῥεῖ

3:45 PM

@Telkitty That's extraordinarly cute. Stolen for my FB site ;-)

3:58 PM

4:11 PM

beware the kitties. They look cute on the surface but they are planning to conquer the Tavern!

(the above message was sponsored by the "New Lunar Republic" movement)

bjb568

:3

me is konkwerrerr

πάντα ῥεῖ

5:20 PM

Tumbleweed - perfect for every awkward moment

►

Jason C

@Pandya Thanks

I am torn between not wanting to care about internet points and being inexplicably excited about it.

M.A.R.

@JasonC I have been experiencing same porblem . ANY UPDATES HALPP !!1

Jason C

Lol

I guess I'll focus on SU for 10k #3. Got a ways to go there.

I love the mini rep graph on the profile page, the y axis scaling makes your progress look way more awesome than it actually is.

Anonymous

I was really excited to get 10K on MSE. Lots of fun stuff to see from the goofy old days.

Jason C

I know. The first thing I did was search SEDE for the most downvoted deleted posts. Those were my bedtime stories last night.

Anonymous

5:27 PM

ohhh, that's a good idea. I don't think we had the deleted posts in there when I hit 10K.

Jason C

Plus MSE's got this "Yay! I'm a part of something!" vibe.

"I'm relevant and I have value! Yay!" jazz hands

M.A.R.

@JasonC Now I'm jealous :(

Bart

πάντα ῥεῖ

@JasonC Well, they deprived me of that feeling on my fav site :-P

Jason C

@JeremyBanks data.stackexchange.com/meta.stackexchange/query/647456

M.A.R.

5:45 PM

I'm not an RO and can't see what that message was . . .

Anonymous

@JasonC haha, apparently I've voted on several of these but I don't remember them.

Anonymous

"Please don't show Microsoft advertisements here! Ever!"

Anonymous

oh my god

Anonymous

"Remove - or specially mark - answers from problematic parts of the world" " I don't want to receive help from these people."

Jason C

6:01 PM

Lol

The "forced retirement for old users" idea was also pretty stellar.

> What is in the name "Jeff Atwood"? If I mention Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, Srikrishna as my profile name, it is accepted by Stack Overflow. Is the name Jeff Atwood greater than the name Jesus?

πάντα ῥεῖ

@JasonC Well the Beatles claimed to be more popular than Jesus. But Jeff Atwood is still one of my saints ;-)

@JasonC You missed to mention

Jon Skeet, Reading, United Kingdom

935k 530 6843 7692

c# java .net linq generics asp.net xml

Jason C

Hold on, I'm super distracted right now.

I discovered that I am mysteriously missing one of the three cereal bowls I own, and it is driving me insane.

... It was in the bathroom. On the back of the toilet. With a spoon in it.

Best to not overthink it, I suppose.

SmokeDetector

6:26 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Can I use android app on PC? by Techbusket on superuser.com

bjb568

6:38 PM

@JasonC Wow, to be an adult.

Jason C

This is what happens when mom isn't around to yell at me about leaving dishware in the bathroom.

rene

7:20 PM

@JasonC Don't leave dishware in the bathroom! You're grounded!

Jason C

:(

shuts off internet for a week in repentance

Shadow Wizard

@JasonC blame the cats

@JasonC hehe, I used to lock myself in my room for hours.

(no internet when I was teenager)

M.A.R.

@ShadowWizard Wow, then what did you do when someone asked you something and you didn't know, especially in the middle of an exam?

Without Google, I can't imagine life would've flourished

Travis J

People used to read these archaic things called books, and have this sixth sense called memory.

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R. I... umm..... read.... shiver.... books... :D

M.A.R.

7:27 PM

@ShadowWizard Oh my God. Are you serious?!

Such hard times

πάντα ῥεῖ

@TravisJ You mean that stuff printed on woods??

Shadow Wizard

Actually I'm amazed books survived the Internet and Kindle and its like

Travis J

googles printed

@πάνταῥεῖ Yes! That stuff

M.A.R.

@ShadowWizard People of 1960 would be surprised people still wear wool clothes in 2017.

Shadow Wizard

@TravisJ yeah, that sixth sense is gone by now though, with Google available 24/7 ;)

@M.A.R. not everyone, some wear meat. :D

Travis J

7:29 PM

Online it isn't really as noticeable, which benefits many people. But in person, there isn't really the opportunity to sit there and "let me google that" for every sentence.

I find myself enthused when I find people to talk to in person who have good finger-tip knowledge.

Shadow Wizard

@TravisJ hehe, so you keep quiet, Google later, then on the next day you can share what you learned. ;)

Travis J

I am kind of extroverted, so I guess that I just keep on talking if other people do that :( :) :?

Jason C

@ShadowWizard I do that now, voluntarily.

Travis J

Gotta catch em all?

M.A.R.

@ShadowWizard CRINGE

Shadow Wizard

7:32 PM

@TravisJ so you talk about other things?

Jason C

@TravisJ Lol, I do that all the time IRL.

Travis J

@ShadowWizard - Yeah, I have all sorts of useless education that I had to go through, so switching topics isn't problematic.

Shadow Wizard

@JasonC oh my. And my brother used to put a chair on his head, and walk outside like that. (When mom made him angry.)

Travis J

Although, I do wish there were people I know in person that I could talk about coding with. Even my friend with a PhD in CompSci has a different focus than I do, so we can only talk about language agnostic solutions.

Jason C

You know... I totally feel that. I'm sad about that often.

Shadow Wizard

7:35 PM

@TravisJ you can always talk about old computers, your first computer, etc. ;)

Travis J

Jason C

I don't know a lot of other coders, definitely not ones that can have interesting conversations.

Travis J

Spaghetti hat religion :D

Jason C

A lot of my college friends were good for that but they're all scattered around the world now.

Travis J

The chair on head thing made me think of that

Shadow Wizard

7:36 PM

@TravisJ LOL... but isn't it part of some religion? (flying monster something...?) Googles

Travis J

@JasonC - Yeah, and even then they probably end up working on a different tech stack than you. Or at least, that is what happened with me.

Jason C

Yeah

Shadow Wizard

Flying Spaghetti Monster

The Flying Spaghetti Monster (FSM) is the deity of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster or Pastafarianism (a portmanteau of pasta and Rastafarian), a social movement that promotes a light-hearted view of religion and opposes the teaching of intelligent design and creationism in public schools. According to adherents, Pastafarianism is a "real, legitimate religion, as much as any other". Pastafarianism is legally recognized as a religion in the Netherlands and New Zealand – where Pastafarian representatives have been authorized to celebrate weddings and where the first legally recogniz...

Travis J

@ShadowWizard - It does seem like most people have "built their own computer", but then when you ask them how did they design the ALU they look at you all cross eyed.

Jason C

I've got one buddy who lives in Boston, I see him once or twice a year, he's good for deep abstract programming conversations. That's about all I get.

And occasionally when I go back to Pittsburgh, one of my old coworkers lives there. He can relate on a specific level. But, it's a bummer. There's only chat rooms and IRC, really.

Shadow Wizard

7:38 PM

@TravisJ this is the same as Trump. They are both so ridiculous, that it just overflowed and became real.

M.A.R.

@ShadowWizard This is one group of people who you should respond to as 'WE GET IT, OK'

Travis J

@ShadowWizard - Overflowed into the negative :(

Shadow Wizard

@TravisJ lol, I know. :)

But no religion was involved in case of my brother. ;)

@TravisJ looking at you all cross eyed

Travis J

@JasonC - I tried going to a VS Live conference once, figuring that there would be plenty of people to talk with regarding using the asp.net mvc framework (this was back during mvc 4); but the only people I could find that knew enough were the presenters, and even then some of them probably didn't even have as much depth as I did :( So we ended up talking about drinking and travelling.

As a default, everyone can talk about what they like to drink, and where they would like to go.

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R. yup, about the only way.... ;)

@TravisJ no sports?? ;)

Travis J

7:42 PM

lol!

I love sports, but probably not as easy to find people who also love sports in tech.

Shadow Wizard

@TravisJ my wife is a rather fanatic fan of local basketball team. o_O

Maccabi Tel Aviv B.C.

Maccabi Tel Aviv B.C. (Hebrew: מ.כ. מכבי תל-אביב‎‎), for sponsorship reasons Maccabi FOX Tel Aviv (Hebrew: מ.כ. מכבי פוקס תל-אביב‎‎), is a professional basketball club based in Tel Aviv, Israel. The team plays in the Israeli Premier League and internationally in the EuroLeague. The club started in the mid-1930s, as part of the Maccabi Tel Aviv Sports Club, which had been founded in 1906. With six European Championships, one Adriatic Championship, 51 Israeli Championships, 44 Israeli Cups, and six League Cups, Maccabi has been the most successful basketball team in Israel. It is also one of the...

This one ^

This year is their worst ever..... :/

Travis J

Cool :) Do you attend the games and such since its local to you?

Best time to go! Cheap tickets, no beer lines, and true fans ;)

Shadow Wizard

@TravisJ she does, when we were still dating she took me with her to one game. And there it ended. (Games for me, I mean. ;))

Travis J

hah

Shadow Wizard

I do watch the games abroad with her on TV out of courtesy. ;)

Travis J

7:46 PM

Are the rules the same as in the US? 3 pointers, one or two free throws for fouls, dunking, etc.?

Shadow Wizard

@TravisJ later two are true, tickets cost the same. And she has a subscription for whole year. :/

Travis J

Hm, no cheap tickets? Bummer. At least if its empty you can relocate to closer seats though, right?

Shadow Wizard

@TravisJ almost same. We have four quarters of 10 minutes each. :)

@TravisJ heh, not sure... have to ask her. :)

But she doesn't go anymore this year since she gave birth.

At least she won't miss a lot, the team didn't make it to the next level in the Europe League.

Travis J

I went to a LA Rams (NFL) game this year and when we got there the stadium was rather empty so we managed to stand in the first row for a while.

Shadow Wizard

@TravisJ nice! "we" means you and your wife?

Travis J

7:52 PM

Normally she would have gone, but she missed this game unfortunately. It was myself and a friend.

Shadow Wizard

@TravisJ we also have three free throws if the foul was made while throwing to 3 points, isn't it like that in USA?

Travis J

Yup that's the same

Shadow Wizard

Makes sense, otherwise it won't be "fair". :)

Basketball game in USA is 48 minutes, right? @Travis

Travis J

I think it is 4 15s

Hm, nope, your right

4 12's

Shadow Wizard

:)

Well, I loved NBA as teenager, one of my first PC games was NBA with the real teams and players. DOS game, was awesome. :D

So guess some things just stick in memory...

Travis J

7:55 PM

Nice! Was it NBA Jam?

I loved that one as a kid

Shadow Wizard

let me check...

DOS - Lakers vs Celtics and the NBA Playoffs

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this ^

Travis J

wow, check out those bits :D

Shadow Wizard

I knew all players by heart back then, it was crazy.

Travis J

Apparently there are letter references to how you play games. I play them in a T shape, where I go really in depth in one, but don't really get into many others.

Shadow Wizard

Thinking about it, I got lots of PC games as kid/teenager. No idea how I had time to play them all. Quite sad when I think about it, though sometimes friends came over to play with me.

@TravisJ huh? What do you mean?

Travis J

8:00 PM

Some things are impossibru to google for

I can't find the list of the gamer style types by letter for example

Anyway, everyone has different gaming styles. Some people like to play many games, each until completion, and then move on. Some like to play a few games, until completion, but repeatedly. Some like to play many games, but get everything in each one before moving on. etc etc

There is a letter association for the different types.

(tmi?)

I, uh, don't have a gaming problem.

Shadow Wizard

@TravisJ ohhh, lol. Never knew this got a name. Well, as teenager I just played whatever games I had, completed what I could but didn't try hard. If I got stuck I just quit and moved on. As adult it became few games, one at a time, mostly two, until completion.

In very rare cases I quit when it was really hard and/or boring.

Travis J

I guess I like the challenge. The more difficult the better, which is probably why I enjoyed chess so much.

There is always someone better at chess.. at least somewhere.

Shadow Wizard

And played same game again only once, Okami. All others only once.

@TravisJ oh, @Pro is good at chess. And @berserk.

You play online?

Travis J

Nice :)

Shadow Wizard

en.lichess.org

@Pro is mod there, and really good from what I know and saw. :)

Travis J

8:07 PM

I used to, on occasion I will go play some anon at lichess. I have a USCF rating of 1750

Although it is probably a little low, should be ~1900, but I just don't play enough in person rated games.

I helped mod at ICC in a past life

Shadow Wizard

en.lichess.org/@/ProgramFOX

Travis J

Yeah, online ratings are much higher than actual ratings, I would probably beat him at a good rate in anything slower than 2 0. He seems pretty quick

Shadow Wizard

Time to go.... happy Happy Hour for those who will be around! :P

Travis J

Have a good weekend :D

Shadow Wizard

:)

user315433

9:18 PM

4

A: Stack Exchange thinks that Shog is a elected moderator

Funny story... When I first joined the team here at Stack Exchange, Jeff just went around on the trilogy sites and made me a moderator... And he used the "elected" route instead of the "appointed" route, for reasons that are no doubt lost to time (or maybe they're preserved in chat, I can't be ...

user315433

Cool story, too bad few people will read it on Stack Apps.

user315433

Unlikely to make it into HNQ list.

Fawad

9:29 PM

@NormalHuman views will not count if read on apps?

Shog9

9:46 PM

@NormalHuman completely impossible - question is older than 30 days.

Travis J

Solution:
1. Write a rant about a bad audit, flag decline, or burnination request on meta
2. Cite that answer for some unknown reason
3. ????
4. Profit

Travis J

10:33 PM

is it happy hour yet?

ɥʇǝS

Starts in 24 minutes.

Travis J

guess I jumped the gun

user315433

10:56 PM

It's permissible to become happy ahead of time.

Shog9

Permissible, but not beneficial

Ok, now it is time for moderate happiness

Travis J

Woah woah woah, I didn't agree to moderate my happiness

I have to move this weekend =/

Always such fun

user315433

11:11 PM

I'm looking for a gooey substance that has a greenish glow, helps stick automobile parts together and saves the world from hunger in the process by M.A.R. on chemistry.meta.stackexchange.com

Travis J

I'd like to solve the puzzle. Algae.

Next question?

Jason C

Is there a url I can use to view the markdown source of a post?

I think there is but I don't remember

Given a post id

I also thought I remembered a "view source" button but maybe not

ɥʇǝS

11:36 PM

there is, but I'm not sure it's easy to get to as a regular user.

user315433

Other than using the API, I think one has to go to revisions page, like stackoverflow.com/posts/43008815/revisions and then access the top "source" link on that page.

ɥʇǝS

yup, but you'll need to manually create the URL if there haven't been any public edits to the post.

user315433

It seems the API route is preferable. Just request body_markdown.

Jason C

Was the revision history of stackoverflow.com/posts/184673/revisions manually deleted or something? The comments make reference to other revision numbers (there apparently were at least 6), but none of them are in the history. I don't care about that particular post but I stumbled on it messing with some other sede stuff, and it seems like an oddity.

user315433

Jeff occasionally nuked revisions in case of edit wars.

Jason C

11:48 PM

Ah that must be it. In context, that looked like it would've been a prime candidate for nuking.

Well, I need to admit that I, as an old SE user, mostly didn't read the help center. I've thought there is some long, boring lawyer-language what the SE has to post everywhere to protect itself against some US laws. I've first started to read the help center pages as I've first experienced the massive content destruction what is so common on many SE sites, and I looked for intellectual munition against it - and I've found nothing. — peterh 1 min ago

wat

user315433

New York Magazine: The Hidden Power of Stack Overflow: How a Website You’ve Never Heard of Is Holding the Web Together

user315433

> most of its threads are devoted to someone saying “I’m encountering error such and such” or “Can anyone figure out the best way to perform such-and-such function?”

Jason C

Lol

Still, I should be happy about that article, but it annoys me, and it all boils back down to how disappointed I realize I still am about Joel's stupid take-a-stand post. "Congrats SE" is still being involuntarily replaced by "don't let Joel's head get too big" in my mind.

user315433

> Of the 36,932 developers who responded to the site’s annual survey question about site usage, less than one percent said that they had never heard of or used Stack Overflow as a resource

user315433

Yeah, never heard of the site that I'm currently at...

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