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user315433

12:01 AM

> If I ever quit, it’ll be because of email. -- Nick Craver at 1:44 PM - 23 Feb 2017

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Proposed Q&A site for phenomenon believers in: Psionics:Psychokinesis/Telekinesis; ESP:Astral/Lucid/RV/NDE/OBE; Energy:Meditation/Consciousness; Magic:Occult/Healing/Reiki/Crystals/Runes/Rituals/Exorcism); ET:Aliens/UFO; Metaphysical entities: Spirits; Astrology, etc.

Currently in definition.

Should totally be renamed "Alternative Facts"

Shog9

Alt-normal

Sklivvz

@zaq a shit sandwich

Shadow Wizard

@JasonC great minds... :P

Journeyman Geek

@Sklivvz beat me to it :p

Sklivvz

12:12 AM

high five

user315433

Shadow Wizard

@JasonC yeah, need a script for that!

user315433

It's not obvious to me what the featuring of Smoke-announcement post was supposed to achieve... okay, greater awareness of it, but...

user202362

abnormal distribution

user315433

Could be an item for mod newsletter, maybe. (Hm, May 2016 post is still in progress)

Jon Ericson

12:17 AM

@zaq I'm not sure what else featuring is useful for.

user315433

Usually it's "here's a new development, which may change how you interact with these sites"

Sklivvz

I'm off to bed, later...

Jason C

@zaq I kinda like that it's featured. It's cool, and it's a ton of work done by volunteers. Everybody should know about it.

As opposed to, say, featuring Joel's political anxiety attacks.

Shog9

down to one outstanding flag on MSE

Jason C

Quick everybody raise some more flags.

user315433

12:25 AM

Okay, maybe feature a post about SOCVR next...

ɥʇǝS

@zaq because they are taking automatic action on all sites? You don't think that's something those sites would like to know about? Considering sites like The Workplace have their auto deletion amount set to 3 that'd be a big deal for them for sure.

I think the charcoal folks already knew about that change and so built around it, but that doesn't mean they'll know about other such changes to other sites. That's just one example.

Jason C

What's that thing you can type in comments that inserts a link to how-to-ask?

@zaq If you make a baller post about it, maybe they will.

user315433

@JasonC [ask]

Jason C

Sweet thanks

user315433

This post is one of greatest spam-related mysteries on Stack Exchange.

user202362

12:32 AM

pest.stackexchange.com

user315433

12:44 AM

Congratulations to the new Community Management Team Lead @Shog9

user315433

Also, JNat is now Community Operations Team Lead and Juan M is International Community Team Lead.

user315433

Leading the whole international community sounds like a daunting task.

user202362

congrats

SmokeDetector

1:08 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website answer: Opening multiple documents by Printable Calendar on apple.SE

user315433

@SmokeDetector Good call, bad grammar.

Undo

'in', yeah.

Jason C

Sigh, there's always one...

user315433

So, the 15 members of Community Team now have 7 distinct job titles:
8 x Community Manager
2 x Director of Community Management
Community Growth Operations Specialist
Community Management Team Lead
Community Operations Team Lead
Director of Community Development
International Community Team Lead

Jason C

Did shog get promoted? Congrats

TFW you think your computer is frozen then you remember you're looking at a screenshot.

user315433

1:22 AM

There are 114 job titles in total, the most common being "Developer" (x30). And 85 of them are held by one person. (I mean each... not all 85 by one. Although Nick Craver comes close.)

Undo

Two ways to read that, one more entertaining than the other.

user315433

As long as they are unique, one can replace job titles with names, saving the trouble of remembering both things.

Jon Ericson

MSE user number is even more memory efficient.

user315433

Or would be if people had accounts. Even Kristina Lustig, UX researcher, doesn't have one.

user315433

Or it's not linked.

user315433

1:30 AM

Kristina Lustig, London, United Kingdom

1 1

user315433

She does, it's just not linked. Can I send a PR to that page?

user315433

> My roommate brought home some birthday cake, even though his bday is in August. He referred to this as a "life hack." -- Kristina Lustig at 12:43 PM - 22 Feb 2017

user315433

She (or rather her roommate) should have an account on Lifehacks

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer, blacklisted user: Opening multiple documents by Printable Calendar on apple.SE

Rob

Why was ^ that reported twice?

user315433

1:42 AM

Another answer was posted, so the question became active again, and all answers got re-scanned.

user315433

> I recommend this applicant for admission as follows:
Not recommended | Unenthusiastically | Fairly strongly | Strongly | Enthusiastically, without reservation

user315433

Such nuances of feelings, so confusing.

user315433

I much prefer Looks OK | Needs Improvement | Unsalvageable

user315433

Considering that the admissions committee is going to triage the applicants anyway...

Shog9

@zaq ah, thanks

user315433

2:23 AM

1

A: Open justice v secret police

I volunteer at the county jail on Saturday mornings. In the jurisdiction I live in, trials are generally open to the public, there are detailed records of the proceedings and, critically, it's easy to find out if a prospective employee has a criminal past. More than false or sketchy convictions, ...

user315433

Things we didn't know about Jon Ericson, 200 points

user315433

100 pts was "makes typos often"

user315433

2:46 AM

The answer Who are the Community Managers, and what do they do? does not match the company page. Tim Post removed himself from the answer, but Abby stays there despite having identical job title. Hmm.

user315433

Perhaps the list in the answer should be replaced by a link to company page, which contains the same links to profiles? Having both seems redundant.

Shog9

Then we gotta re-do the list if the company page gets redesigned and the link breaks. If we weren't lazy, we'd just update the answer.

user202362

3:01 AM

what happened to rock's rep?

user315433

@Shog9 Yes, but which way? Tim is on the Team according to the company page, but explicitly does not want to be in the answer.

user202362

Also the other 2 properties with lower rent were both rented out last week, now my house becomes the lowest 3 bedroom property in the area.

user315433

Or maybe that was an overreaction to being demoted to management, and he wouldn't mind returning to the list...

user315433

Would it be possible to include typical timezones the team members are active in within this list? — Zhaph - Ben Duguid Jan 23 at 11:49

user315433

3:18 AM

in Ask Different Chat on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 7 hours ago, by Tetsujin

@grgarside - I've not been following it myself, but the spam recently has got beyond a joke, so I'm up for anything that can remove it sooner. I'm really hoping that by signing myself up for it that is realised - I'm not in any way positioned to join in with the actual 'smart' analysis - way beyond my skills - but if allowing my account to participate in the filtering will aid the overall effort, I'm proud to be a part of it.

user315433

Not sure how it really aids the effort, one access token is as good as another...

user315433

In fact, distributing the flags between more users makes it less likely that they'll notice and retract the mistakenly cast flags.

user202362

Come on, at $565 per week, my 3 bedroom house costs only as much as a brand new 1 bedroom apartment across the road. Although it's not available until tomorrow - still a bit painting to finish this afternoon. Quick, before it's all gone!

user315433

-1

A: How much vanilla will kill a person?

The primary question is "If I drank a shot of expensive vodka from a 750 ml bottle and a clone of me drank the same expensive vodka from another 750ml bottle but one that had 6 Tahitian fresh vanilla beans that were split in half and soaked for six months in said vodka, would we have different to...

user202362

Life is great - I get to do so many interesting things <3

Shog9

3:51 AM

@zaq Good question. I'll bring it up.

SmokeDetector

4:06 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer: TA asks me to marry her so that she can obtain a green card, by Tylor on academia.SE

qwer

4:18 AM

spammy time

@SmokeDetector why

SmokeDetector

@qwer Body - Position 536-556: buying" a green card

qwer

@SmokeDetector f

Quill

4:38 AM

github.com/pirate/sites-using-cloudflare

they claim SO is affected by cloudflare vulns but i dont know how accurate that is

Rob

Any site behind cloudflare was affected

user315433

Yeouch, one buffer overflow that thankfully did not impact Stack Overflow https://twitter.com/taviso/status/834900838837411840

Tweeted by SuperDalgas on February 24, 2017 at 12:02 AM

Rob

Twitter's blocked here - can you give a summary?

user315433

IDC personally, I can't change my password anyway...

Rob

I don't see how someone can say SO wasn't affected. Perhaps no one has found leaked SO information cached, but that's quite different.

SmokeDetector

4:44 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title, repeated URL at end of long post: brainfireadvice.com/biovivacity/ by Bikalyb on graphicdesign.SE

user315433

> Yeouch, one buffer overflow that thankfully did not impact Stack Overflow - Geoff Dalgas

Quill

i thought they dropped cloudflare months ago; hence the skepticism

user315433

Also, hi @Quill, a bearer of bad security tidings.

Journeyman Geek

Yup

And I don't think they used the specific leaky features

bugs.chromium.org/p/project-zero/issues/detail?id=1139

@Rob non Twitter sauce.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, repeated URL at end of long post: x4up.org/pure-nitro-max/ by iiomr pus on apple.SE

Rob

4:49 AM

@JourneymanGeek Cheers - that's the first article I wrote. From what I understand, though, is that information from anywhere could be leaked to sites that were using those features

That is, a faulty feature used on site XYZ may leak memory which was related to site ABC

Journeyman Geek

blog.cloudflare.com/…

Also

@Rob I blame being on a phone on a bus

Shog9

5:09 AM

@zaq none in the past day.

Only one false-positive with the new expression

and... That was an answer written entirely in Chinese, so I can't get too upset about it.

The author obligingly translated it to English and posted it anyway

Two other answers were allowed through untranslated, and later deleted because no one understood them.

ɥʇǝS

5:53 AM

how did my edit get rejected because of a "subsequent edit" but the OP edit using my exact edit reason? stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/15260462 strange.

user202362

hey @quill, I love your cat

Quill

sweater cat

blog.discordapp.com/…

user202362

Also hacking doesn't count as being courageous, say 'no' to online violation!

Anonymous

6:09 AM

@JourneymanGeek I'm not sure whether you needed to be using those features to have your information leaked, maybe just to be a destination of the leaked data.

Anonymous

@Rob Stack wasn't using Cloudflare during the period when this vulnerability existed.

SmokeDetector

6:29 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Engine Bogs down with A/C on highway by Auzaro Industrial goods on mechanics.SE

SmokeDetector

7:00 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Can a machine be taught to flag spam automatically? by Auzaro Industrial goods on meta.SE

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Journeyman Geek

7:11 AM

perspectiveapi.com this seems neat

SmokeDetector

7:51 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer: Is there a connection between Lord Buddha & Hinduism? by Damaceen on buddhism.SE

SmokeDetector

8:14 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted username, offensive answer detected: Do Martial artists live longer by nigga on martialarts.SE

Glorfindel

!!/alive

SmokeDetector

@Glorfindel Of course

Glorfindel

Well, not in Charcoal HQ ...

!!/alive

SmokeDetector

@Glorfindel Watching this endless list of new questions never gets boring

@Glorfindel plz send teh coffee

qwer

8:30 AM

@SmokeDetector the irony...

Rob

9:12 AM

@JeremyBanks Fair enough, didn't know SO moved away so long ago

@SmokeDetector Did that seriously just happen

Bart

God, that's glorious

SmokeDetector

9:47 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer: Some Ossec agents not able to communicate with OSSEC server by jerger on unix.SE

user202362

10:03 AM

SmokeDetector

10:18 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer: What software extends quicktime to support codecs as an alternative to Perian? by HumphreyJeff on apple.SE

qwer

@SmokeDetector spam? Googling

"It’s a piece of bad news that the development team of the Perian plug-in for QuickTime has no longer maintained on this product"

(exact phrase, quotes included) returned some infamous multimedia converter sites.

confirmed spam. Googling"You suddenly fail to play AVI, FLV, WMV, and MKV etc. files in QuickTime" also returned some.

@SmokeDetector k

Stijn

How come new beta sites aren't automated by now? Apparently it still requires human intervention when 100% commitment is reached, usually done on a Tuesday.

b_jonas

10:35 AM

Literature SE now has temporary moderators

@Stijn I consider that a feature.

Bart

@Stijn It's how they keep Jon busy.

b_jonas

A new site already needs a lot of work by the community moderators, it's not really worth to automate creation itself.

Stijn

I haven't been actively involved in a beta before, so I wouldn't know :)

@Bart that reminds me.. @JonEricson did you manage to catch up with the survey badges? :p

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in body: Movie trailers and online movie site using asp.net with c# by Nazia Ruhi on superuser.com

Stijn

11:03 AM

@SmokeDetector f

SmokeDetector

@Stijn You are not a privileged user. Please see the privileges wiki page for information on what privileges are and what is expected of privileged users.

b_jonas

Why is literature.stackexchange.com/q/1807/139 downvoted? It has way more useful details than your average Sci Fi SE story-id question.

Bart

11:38 AM

Tim lost his keys @b_jonas

user202362

12:10 PM

user202362

I never realised there was a unicorn on the UK passport, I always assumed it was a horse

user202362

I mean, it couldn't be a donkey because nobody uses donkey on their passport

qwer

What's donkey with horn?

M.A.R.

@qwer unicorn 2.0

user202362

mutation is the key to fairy tales

user202362

12:18 PM

maybe the first unicorn people saw was indeed a donkey with Fibrous dysplasia or Exostosis / Osteoma

qwer

12:49 PM

This is the first I'm using 2k-edit privilege to edit 2 answer posts simultaneously... (moving some info from a post to another)

Stijn

Interesting bit of history, apparently the chained unicorn represents the braveness of Scotland

Goes back ~700 years

user202362

chained ... brave ... ~snap~

user202362

“People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought, which they avoid.”
— 	Søren Kierkegaard

user202362

so true

user202362

Democratic voting system is nothing but a system where every one votes for their self interest ... or at least what they think is for their self interest

user202362

1:05 PM

I wonder who voted for 'the public good'

Stijn

I've been reading up on that Cloudflare issue, from what I gather it's one of the biggest screw ups ever on the internet. You should change every password you have and accept that possibly a bunch of private information got leaked.

user315433

1:20 PM

I'd rather accept that nobody cares about my private information.

user202362

I sure hope that someone care about my private information - I have my private mobile number on a large ad on one of the busiest roads in Sydney in the hope of someone would ring me and rent the house!

user202362

forced impression on passersby motorists ~ 10000 a day

user202362

spam the motorists ...

user202362

it's only slightly larger than A2 size ... should have used A0

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in body, repeating words in body: explain the impact of the cuban revolution on Cuba's economy by boomer on history.SE

M.A.R.

1:29 PM

SD TP-

user202362

Hey I just spammed you
And this is crazy
But here's my number
So call me maybe
It's hard to look right at you baby
But here's my number
So call me maybe

user315433

@SmokeDetector Doesn't look red-flaggable; it's a LQ question in title + filler in post body

Stijn

@Telkitty is it that hard to find someone to rent your house? Over here you get to visit a house in a group together with an agent and you pray to be the lucky one who gets to rent the house.

The most recent one I had to provide proof of income, job history, why I want to move to that city, why I want to move to that house,...

In addition to the usual warranty (?) worth 3 months of rent

user202362

@Stijn no, it's the 3rd day on the market

user202362

but wider audience is always better, more choices so I can choose better tenant

user202362

1:38 PM

I know that I am being a b!tch :/

Stijn

It's your full right :)

Magisch

3:18 PM

@Telkitty Just ... please don't make the mistake of only considering people with a pristine record, no single history of bad credit and a super-awesome job

qwer

3:39 PM

SHA-1 collision and CloudBleed. Wow.

user315433

@SmokeDetector Undo started out with the username ErwaySoftware... If he linked to metasmoke (metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com) then, it would have been reported.

Aaron Hall

Is this guy sharing his SO credentials with the world? github.com/request/request/issues/1523

(I think I know Python pretty darn well, but I feel incompetent about web stuff...)

Shog9

3:55 PM

@b_jonas lotta folks aren't big fans of Story ID questions, period

@Telkitty this is every system of government. Only thing that changes is who gets to vote.

Magisch

MS now has over 100 registered autoflaggers

Which means undo sits on the biggest database of API write keys of SE anyone outside of SE staff has ever aquired

user315433

Not sure. There used to be unofficial mobile apps.

rene

5:29 PM

Migrate to Skeptics.SE:

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Q: Did Robbie Williams write any songs for Take That?

The title says it all really. Great writer is our Robbie but I'm wondering if Gary Barlow allowed him to write for Take That.

user315433

5:46 PM

Oooh Take That. :swoon:

user315433

Take That - How Deep Is Your Love

►

user315433

I know Robbie didn't write that one...

user315433

Congrats to @Pandya, a new mod at Hinduism! Please welcome your new pro tem moderators

user315433

Getting a mod message from "The Destroyer♦, a Hinduism Stack Exchange moderator" may be scary...

Shog9

Beats "I am become death"

user315433

6:14 PM

Did Hinduism set a record for pro tem mod shuffle? I'm losing track of it.

Shog9

I highly doubt it

I guess it depends on what you're measuring

...but I still tend to doubt it

there are a few sites that've gone through multiple complete sets of moderators

user315433

2014-07-14: senshin, cheenbabes, Mr. Alien
2014-11-06: +Keshav Srinivasan
2016-02-08: +Ankit Sharma, -senshin. -cheenbabes
2017-02-27: +Pandya, +TheDestroyer, -Ankit Sharma, -Mr. Alien

user315433

Maybe it was more visible because of posts like Change the moderators of Hinduism SE Site and Voting to have Keshav Srinivasan take a sabbatical as a moderator

Shog9

6:31 PM

Which backfired a bit, as it tends to do

Shadow Wizard

7:14 PM

oh @Pandya congrats for the diamond! Use it well! :D

bjb568

lel, I'm going to a math conference and missing school, but I forgot to give them an absence note, so I'll be calling in sick

user315433

7:35 PM

What conference, a link?

user315433

in Ask Different Chat on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 17 mins ago, by patrix

The Smoke Detector and whoever is currently active on the site manage to catch the spam posts rather quickly, usually they are gone within minutes. And while having a separate queue for bot-flagged spam would be helpful to verify detection accuracy it seems that right now the number of false positives is zero.

user315433

Yes, that... I think having a list of recently spam-nuked posts would reduce the number of concerns the mods may have about SD.

user315433

Added a bounty to Comments and posts auto-deleted by community flags should be shown to moderators by Brad Larson on meta.stackexchange.com

user315433

Hm, @Andy's Smokey-announcement post links to the FR about retracting flags via the API, but it's not in the Linked column. (?)

Andy

@zaq The post was created on MSO and migrated. That probably has something to do with it

ɥʇǝS

7:45 PM

@JasonC that was submitted to gemsfromstackexchange.tumblr.com right?

user315433

> The older I get the less I treat braces as optional. What is happening to me? -- Nick Craver at 9:48 AM - 24 Feb 2017

user315433

Yes, some people change their outlook on life after they get their semicolonoscopy result...

M.A.R.

8:11 PM

@zaq tpu-

rekire

8:29 PM

can any mod help me? I lost some reputation causes by a documentation reputation recalculation. I am guessing an reason and would like to know if I am right

I wrote some very basic android examples which where migrated from one topic to another. For some reason I was not in the edit history (some restriction I cannot remember), now I would guess that this not explicitly from me created examples caused that reputation lost. Can anyone look if I have any reputation left from documention changes?

Jason C

@ɥʇǝS Of course

Aaron Hall

Happiness is quickly fleeting.

rekire

I found an example which is from me: stackoverflow.com/documentation/android/1552/…

rene

@rekire that whole Docs rep calc is riddled with bugs and I imagine it is of the same quality of Q/A rep calc in the early days that needed a recalc now and then as well to sort out strange stuff. Give it 6 to 8 to resolve ...

And if it is not bugs then it is unclear functional specs

rekire

8:44 PM

I remember that I lost that time back also rep^^

rene

Yeah, the system cached that experience and now re-applies it

Jon Ericson

9:24 PM

@Stijn I did. There might be a few folks who didn't get one because they screwed up entering their profile urls. Probably should check my tickets.

Shog9

10:16 PM

I feel like I've probably posted this somewhere before, given I've had the query open for three months... But on the off-chance that I didn't, here's some data on questions asked after viewing a help center page:

Slug                               Questions asked after viewing ... Well-received Pct Well-received
---------------------------------- --------------------------------- ------------- -----------------
how-to-ask                         9979                              6323          63.363062431105
bounty                             3214                              2370          73.739887990043
whats-reputation                   3048                              2108          69.160104986876
mcve                               2105                              1548          73.539192399049

(that's over a 60-day period, starting 30 days ago)

"Well-received" means score is >= 0, not closed and not deleted

"Pct Well-received" for ALL questions posted during that time period is 70

M.A.R.

@Tom are you saying you won't be satisfied until someone provides information which agrees with your theory? He provided a reason for the shape and showed designs to suggest it was only supposed to be a heart. It's pretty easy to see that at some angles it may look like mickey ears, but this is quite a convincing argument that it is coincidence. It would be hard to have it look like a heart from every angle. — JMac yesterday

Found Jmac's sock

@Shog9 why would someone look for "What's Beta?"

Shog9

10:33 PM

@M.A.R. who knows.

M.A.R.

@Shog9 the highest >50 times clicked percentage is 84, and searching

Should tell peoples to search more

user315433

So the best questions are asked after finding out your sockpuppet got busted.

M.A.R.

Don't ask is 60

user315433

How come there is no slug dont-answer?

M.A.R.

@zaq or when you're looking for a job

@zaq people go ahead and answer anyway

Writing a ~~good~~ upvoted question after reading about harassment is 50/50

Shog9

10:44 PM

@zaq there's a historical reason for the on-topic / dont-ask split; the former corresponds to the mod editable section in the old FAQ

Jon Ericson

@zaq If you are talking about user-was-removed, my guess is many people seeing that who are innocent bystanders have already demonstrated an ability to write upvote-worthy posts.

SmokeDetector

11:57 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer: Does masturbation cause muscle loss? by Muscle Palace on fitness.SE

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