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4:13 PM
Hi
 
@Stijn I've measured my head, now what?
 
@rene on a scale of small to big, how big is it?
 
I would say above average?
 
ok
 
ok?
 
4:15 PM
unfortunately I'm not an expert in frenology, so I cannot help you :(
maybe I should create an area 51 proposal
 
For morons?
 
no shortage of those on the network
 
I am unable to chat in maths,physics, chemistry…chatrooms but here I can chat here(I am suspended on math.se) so why I am allowed to chat here?
 
@Fawad because there are 3 chat servers , SO, MSE and SE
You're currently on the MSE server
 
So where else I can chat and where not?
 
4:17 PM
this is where all the naughty people come to chat
welcome to the club
 
Lol
 
@Fawad in all public rooms here and in all public rooms here
 
Thanks @rene
Hey, I cannot invite people when I am suspended?
 
I suppose you want to discuss your suspension? Best thing to do for all parties involved is to wait it out.
It almost always ends badly.
 
4:26 PM
Hmm…I will wait for 28 days (sad)
 
Thanks Stijn. You just remembered me I had to re-install the userscript after switching machine.
 
It's the best thing to do. If there is anything left to discuss, you will have received a message from a moderator regarding your suspension. You can discuss anything via that channel. But beyond that, just wait it out @Fawad
 
@Derpy what userscript?
something to do with ponies? :p
@Fawad apparently it's not a chat suspension but a site suspension. I think you've received an email in that case.
And a site suspension includes chat suspension automatically.
 
@Fawad oh, why were you suspended?
@Stijn Only if the parent site of the chat is the same as the site you were suspended on
 
4:33 PM
Bah
 
@Stijn Yes,I did received. I was said I was using sock puppet accounts for increasing reputation. In the h bar I asked something to Acuriousmind that it was showing "starring" as "voting" for new users and he thought I was making fake accounts… :(
 
From the looks of it you said yourself that you had a second account. That in itself is not grounds for suspension, but I read that you allegedly also created an account named "ACM is a bad guy" (referring to that moderator), so yeah... Wait it out and don't do it again ;)
 
Stijn is a bad guy
Any references to people in this chat is not deliberate.
 
:(
 
Honestly speaking I created extra account to ask dumb question…@Stijn bye
 
4:42 PM
take care
I'm scared to go home
 
@Stijn custom ui button to automate posting the image I just used before.
 
news sites are full of accidents due to high speed winds here
 
Take care
 
@Stijn yeah, I scheduled to work from home today due to the forecasts.
 
user315433
5:00 PM
@M.A.R. Which once again confirms that one should set chat parent to a site where one is never going to participate... Should be in Stack Exchange Manual or something.
 
Of course, if a mod thinks you're abusing chat they can just suspend you in chat, regardless of which site your parent is set to.
 
user315433
Sure. Makes as much sense as: if nobody thinks a user is abusing chat, the user should not be suspended in chat.
 
Eh, that's a side-effect of having a hundred+ sites all sharing one chat server with no capability of just blocking someone from using one site's rooms. It makes sense on Stack Overflow or MSE, where your main-site account is always 1-1 with your chat account.
 
5:31 PM
Distribution of chat users by # of parent sites on chat.se
median # of parent accounts is 2
Which is higher than I expected
Most common parent site: Stack Overflow
 
@Shog9 I resemble that 100+ remark
Since I flag spam across the network
Got a Marshal Badge on Drupal.SE and I never saw a drupal site or worked with drupal nor do I have any interest to
 
Bah, I still don't have my Drupal Marshal
@Magisch How many Marshals?
 
@Magisch damn .0008%er
 
@Shog9 most of these people are probably from charcoal
 
or employees
 
5:45 PM
or that
Have you ever been to charcoal HQ shog?
 
you can answer that question yourself...
 
@Magisch yes
 
I dont know how to do wild cards in the chat search
Like find all posts said by X in room Y
 
@Magisch Here's how I found out: @Shog says ''folks'' a lot. I searched for ''folks'' by Shog9 in Charcoal
@Magisch I think there was a way for that, but I don't remember
 
6:03 PM
@Magisch Well I know you can't do it through the search form.
 
user315433
6:17 PM
@Magisch Surely you have seen a Drupal site. drupal.com/showcases
 
user315433
Like Economist.com or Weather.com
 
never went to either of those
economist sounds like an extraordinarily boring newspaper
 
@Magisch redhat?
(seriously, never been to weather.com? wow haha)
 
user315433
@M.A.R. 37 here
 
@zaq No fair, you're the zaq
zaqs not included
 
user315433
6:25 PM
I used Stack Exchange Global Flag Summary by Floern to figure this out. A very nice script.
 
Yeah, I have that installed
 
@JNat Gravatar ate your Mega Man...
no worry, Gravatar also ate Jeff Atwood, you're in good company. ;)
 
Yeah, I noticed
:\
 
So just upload to stack
ditch evil Gravatar the Avatar Eater
Seriously, they suck big time.
At least your abilities are not affected.... I hope. :P
 
the concept of Gravatar is nice though
 
6:32 PM
@Stijn was, yeah.
Like many great ideas which are now long dead.
 
Martijn's shaping up to be a rather annoying mod.
 
@Stijn ah, you made it home safely?
 
@JasonC hmm? Why?
 
gravatar borked again?
 
6:33 PM
@JasonC No, he is not. Don't touch Martijn.
 
@rene yeah, had a good grip on my steering wheel :)
 
@ɥʇǝS again?? lol.. it's borked for months and was never fixed. They don't care, they're too big.
 
In the last year I just keep running into him closing meta questions that he doesn't really like. It's just mildly irritating.
 
@JasonC as long as it's restricted to meta I think it's fine.
 
Yeah it's only mildly annoying.
 
6:34 PM
Yup.
Don't let it escalate.
Escalation is bad. D:
 
@JasonC just tell him. Be blunt. He can have that with his Dutch background. Whining here doesn't resolve your issue.
 
I do tell him every time.
 
expecting to see @Jason suspended soon :D
 
Whining here isn't for the purpose of resolving my issues, it's for the purpose of whining here.
 
letting off steam
 
6:36 PM
Let's be real, 85% of the topics here are whining of some form or another. Embrace it.
 
@JasonC in that case you're a lost case. He put you on the ignore list....
 
EMBRACE
 
examples?
 
give an example of an meta question I should have dupe voted for you
 
No. I will not. I am satisfied with the amount of whining I have done.
 
6:37 PM
Well then it is just that. Whining.
shrug
 
2 mins ago, by Jason C
Whining here isn't for the purpose of resolving my issues, it's for the purpose of whining here.
 
right.
 
In other news I learned something awesome yesterday, but I forget what it was. But trust me, it was awesome.
 
awesome
 
@JasonC I disagree. It sucked
 
6:41 PM
Now it's bothering me.
@M.A.R. It did not. You just don't want to admit it was awesome, because then it would mean that you suck. Go reflect.
 
@JasonC I don't because I don't lie
IT SUCKED LALALA
 
Also, lol:
 
 
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> For the curious: Stack Overflow the last 30 days, via GA: Chrome: 70.92% Firefox: 15.23% Safari: 5.94% IE: 4.58% Edge: 1.56% Opera: 0.71% -- Nick Craver at 11:03 AM - 23 Feb 2017
 
user315433
> IE is about 4.37% of our traffic, of that: IE11: 94.40% IE10: 2.39% IE8: 1.36% IE9: 1.23% IE7: 0.6% IE6: 0.01% -- Nick Craver at 10:55 AM - 23 Feb 2017
 
I assume Safari is primarily iOS users?
and Edge is shockingly low
 
or OSX. Occasionally Windows, if you're really evil.
 
user315433
Or Mac OS if you're with the new naming and stuff.
 
8:27 PM
@ɥʇǝS yeah, I have that version of Safari that still runs on Windows
 
9:17 PM
Anyone feel like wasting some delete votes? meta.stackexchange.com/questions/291420/…
 
9:33 PM
@hichris123 already did and it is now deleted
 
user315433
9:50 PM
I fondly remember one MathSE user I clashed with back in the days... Deleted his account (50-60k) soon after a few confrontations (for whatever reason); then came back when I was no longer active, got over 10k and left again, with a note.
 
user315433
> The community has changed significantly over the last few years, and there are now numerous users who are absolutely dedicated to turning the site into a homework mill, and value their reputation points over any ethical considerations or actual pedagogy.
As long as there are so many people convinced that they are doing students a service by being a homework-solution service, I do not think I can contribute here.
 
user315433
Yeah, but what could have we done otherwise?
 
user315433
(And some Physics folks think that Math got it figured out...)
 
user315433
The only solution is to ignore larger and larger parts of the site... something that the software isn't making very easy to do.
 
Yeah... That was what New Nav was supposed to enable. We really need to get back to that.
...we need a damn PM.
 
user315433
10:02 PM
Someone should take a stand on the importance of New Nav.
 
user202362
10:57 PM
stop being a emo kid
 
@Shog9 do it!
 
...what?
I didn't mean Tylenol PM, although that sounds like it might help short term
 
SE has a lot PM turnover, it seems.
also why is gravatar still broken in chat. Should I be blaming gravatar or chat?
 
Gravatar. Always Gravatar
 
I find that hard to believe considering it seems to work in half the places it's used on chat.
But perhaps that is caching
 
11:04 PM
Gravatar has been real sensitive lately, to the point where the same image will work at some sizes and not others. And of course, chat uses multiple sizes (sometimes on the same message)
 
ahhhh, that explains it.
 
@ɥʇǝS So... Part of the problem is that a Q&A PM is basically the focal point for a lot of tension between different goals, tasked with resolving priority conflicts but not necessarily having the authority to actually adjust priority.
Here's a diagram that may help to illustrate this:
 
Way to sell the job, @Shog9.
 
Eh, unrealistic expectations hasn't exactly worked out well, time to try the other thing
 
@Shog9 hire @Sklivvz back, as PM this time.... ;-)
 
11:10 PM
heh, if he'd do it...
 
@Shog9 yeah, I get that. For a long time I just had this idea in my head that SE had it figured out or something. I must admit it was a bit of a shock the first time I realized ya'll aren't perfect ;)
 
@JasonC 42
@ɥʇǝS I still think unicorns run the place, not humans...
 
I'm sure that sounds ironic because I've been a big critic of decisions SE has made for a long time heh
 
@ShadowWizard Most of us don't have access to the unicorn floor.
 
@ɥʇǝS what we have internally is reflected reasonably well in what you see on meta. Not terrible, but challenging to scale, and hence at times chaotic
@ShadowWizard yeah, in real life the horses in that picture above have horns.
 
11:14 PM
@JonEricson Tim Post surely has, when he doesn't lose his keys. Shog is actually a unicorn in disguise, we all know it.
 
user202362
you can never sue a technical recruiter/head hunter for harassing you ... because most of the people want get hit on ... so if you are troll, especially inferior ones and would like to harass people, take the career path of being a head hunter ...
 
user315433
Tensions can be resolved by splitting things in unrelated parts. If the non-SO sites no longer share the codebase of SO, why keep them under the same roof?
 
@Telkitty so you're becoming head hunter?
 
@Shog9 At least you require your PMs to be technically competent. I've read too many horror stories about PMs who haven't the slightest clue about anything tech related.
And your system works, chaotic or not.
 
user202362
@ShadowWizard I am too 1337 of a troll to becoming a head hunter
 
user315433
11:15 PM
Big city vs the county around it.
 
@Shog9 in real life horses with horns won't let humans ride them... ;)
@Telkitty even with a fat paycheck? :D
 
@ShadowWizard they also don't need to be beaten to pull in different directions
@ɥʇǝS by and large, we've had nothing but good PMs. It's a tough job, and that speaks volumes for the folks who've stepped up to do it.
 
user202362
@ShadowWizard have not seen many super rich head hunters
 
user202362
but I have observed a higher than normal concentration of trolls amongst them
 
user202362
inferior ones
 
11:17 PM
@Shog9 right... they can also just use magic to tear the man apart and be done with it. :D
Talking about PM's.... @Jon what about your mentorship project? Formally dead? Or not yet?
 
@ShadowWizard Awaiting a PM. I've also talked with Juan about an experimental test program on Spanish SO. He's pretty busy these days, however.
 
@JonEricson Juan? Is this JNat?
 
JNat is João; Juan is Juan
 
anyway, guess there are more urgent projects needing a PM, so mentorship is far far away. :/
 
Shoulda just gone to McDonalds...
 
11:23 PM
While we're at it.... @Shog9 any chance SE will hire android developer, even for part time job? Bugs keep piling up with the app.
 
AFAIK, there's a release in the pipeline
Haven't been following it closely
 
But how? Who's working on that? Kasra said himself that he can't work. (which I totally understand, all good.)
 
user315433
The SE app is likely abandonware, with the focus being on SO app.
 
@zaq what's SO app?
 
Like I said, I haven't been following it closely; a few too many other irons on the fire, and the app works well enough for what I use it for.
 
user202362
11:26 PM
sh09 is too busy solving problems like this probably:
 
user202362
 
The app still works, true... but it can't last forever and sooner or later something serious will break and there will be nobody to fix it.
 
user202362
 
user202362
sh dog :p
 
user315433
@ShadowWizard A fork with SO specific features; so far, the only screenshot is here (and not a real screenshot)
 
11:27 PM
@ShadowWizard I mean, there are commits happening. It ain't like the code got put in a shoebox and left in a closet somewhere.
So... Don't stress.
 
Does it usually take 15 minutes to get an inbox notification when somebody pings you in chat
 
yes
Unless you have instant notifications turned on
then it's instant, unless you were talking recently
 
@zaq oh.... I was under the impression this is frozen/aborted due to what Kasra said in his answer on Joel's Stand.
And SO-specific fork of the android app without fixing a single bug is.... well...
 
Kasra no longer doing his job because he's worried about the now resolved situation of his grandmother waiting in line for a few extra minutes in customs = time to hire a different developer.
 
@JasonC as long as Trump is up there, I'm afraid Kasra's situation won't be resolved...
 
user202362
11:31 PM
yes, hire Jason C
 
@Telkitty he can make the lights in SE dance.
How cool will that be.... :P
 
user202362
it's all about bring jobs back to the US remember?
 
@ShadowWizard Except it was.
 
user315433
@ShadowWizard The decision to freeze the project for 90 days was overturned by a court.
 
@Telkitty Steve Jobs? As a zombie?
 
11:32 PM
And the new ban proposal is very clear about exemption of green card holders and citizens.
 
user202362
@ShadowWizard I believe his reminds is still in the US
 
@Telkitty but they can't really do anything useful
 
And Kasra's uncle was like an immigration lawyer or something. And the only real worry he had was whether or not to cancel an expensive plane ticket. So yeah, non-issue. Lots of upvotes though, because it sure felt good to take a stand.
 
user202362
they can't do anything harmful either
 
user202362
Jobs can still be useful in ... fertilising the plants?
 
11:34 PM
@JasonC I mean personal trauma/fear
 
@Telkitty Hell no. I am so over development work.
 
@JasonC so as PM for the mobile apps?
 
I hope not.
 
user202362
I should get back to what I should be doing instead of ... err ... spending lovely times here :p
 
@Shog9 well, still wonder who is committing, maybe Brian who started coding for android as well. :)
@Telkitty sleep?
oh, I should do that actually.
Think I've done my share of ranting. :D
 
user202362
11:37 PM
it's 10:37am & I got up less than 2 hours ago
 
oh, lol
So you should... work?! @Tel
 
All current development is based around declining Shadow's flags on MSE
 
rofl.. glad to see my messages here don't go unnoticed.... :P
(unlike the flags.... ;))
 
I've been yak-shaving WRT those flags
 
@Telkitty you mean iPlant
 
11:39 PM
(which is a fancy way of saying I got fed up with the flag-handling UI and made a userscript instead of actually handling them)
 
@Shog9 heh, sounds just like something you'd do....
 
(ok, my migration-predictor could use a bit of work)
 
For April fools this year can you make it look like every question on MSE was migrated to Lifehacks?
 
@Shog9 heh, good point. I was just frustrated I guess. Should block myself from flagging when in such mood. :D
@JasonC and inject "wet wipes" at random places in posts.
 
Lol
 
11:49 PM
 
@ShadowWizard OMG
I was also looking for a meta post to edit in the same way.
And I totally picked that same one.
And the only reason I didn't post it was I got distracted reading rene's updated answer, lol.
@Shadow It'd be funnier to find/replace random nouns, e.g. "I'm trying to understand which bounty reasons get the most wet wipes. Also is there any way to do a keyword search on all the table names and wet wipes in the schema?"
 
@Shog9 too soon, man, too soon. Especially if we are talking new nav.
 
user315433
DevOps reached 100% commitment
 
@Sklivvz ah, but I can dream
 
user315433
> "Sometimes being a CM at SE is kinda like DevOps. I think." -- Professional or Expert
 
11:56 PM
wat.
oh
 
user315433
That's Jon's commitment spiel.
 
I'm... not sure that's at all accurate
or maybe this is one of those metaphors that Jason loves so dearly
 
user315433
 
user315433
So I'm going to assume that DevOps is a kind of sandwich.
 
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